Re: [Gimp-user] GIMP vs Photoshop

[Cédric Gémy]

I don't remember how this discussion has turned to a GUI discussion just
as if the hugest difference wetween the two was this point.
Anyway, Gimp is great, and photoshop has many default too. It also tries
to implement new GUI possibilities, but they sometimes shouldn't, i
guess :)

"Most people thinks having two different menubars in one application is 
insane. The small amount of people that thinks it is a good idea will 
have to maintain code for that themselves, sorry."

One thing that might be interesting is having contextual menu which is
really contextual to image areas we're on, instead of a simple duplicate
of main menu. WOuldn't be a second menu, but just an extract of
immediate main applicable functionnalities.

pygmee 


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Re: [Gimp-user] Fwd: Re: GIMP vs Photoshop

[Claus Cyrny]

Programmer In Training wrote:

On 1/20/2010 12:08 PM, Martin Nordholts wrote:

  

But I think we need to keep the setting we have. Some people prefer it
the way you do, they want their image windows to hide docks, while
others don't want the docks to be hidden.

 / Martin





Then the old behavior from 2.4 should be made optional, or at least a
reasonable facsimile.


I have the impression that this is only an issue under Windows.
Under Ubuntu, I'm really fine with the way it is now.

Claus
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[Gimp-user] Gimp Documentation

[Bryan]

Is it possible to download the Gimp Documentation so that I can have it
locally instead of having to go online for it? At least I think it's going
online each time you open documentation.

Thanks

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Re: [Gimp-user] Fwd: Re: GIMP vs Photoshop

[Patrick Horgan]

Programmer In Training wrote:

  On 1/20/2010 9:23 AM, Claus Cyrny wrote:

  
  
Why do you need a 'Minimize' button for the toolbox? For 2.8,
there will be an optional singe-window mode available (the link
to the respective article was already posted in this thread).

Claus

  
  
The toolbox should not be linked to the image editing window (especially
when it is always on TOP of the image editing window) for starters. Once
I pick a tool, I don't need to see the tool box. I need to see the image
I'm working on, whether it's 1600x1200 (as any of the full size images
here:
  

Then just hit tab.  The toolbox goes away.

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Re: [Gimp-user] Fwd: Re: GIMP vs Photoshop

[Akkana Peck]

Martin Nordholts writes:
> Ken Warner wrote:
> > Yeah, I hate that too.  What's the point of having a floating window
> > if you can never bring it to the top of the stack?
> 
> Edit -> Preferences -> Window Management, change the toolbox and dock 
> hints to 'Normal window'

Except that you can't use that in GIMP 2.7 on a lot of window
managers, due to GIMP's bug 556896.  With "Normal window", if you
ever change desktops, the toolbox and all docks disappear, and it's
not easy to get them back.

So the "Normal window" setting really isn't usable any more, and
the only choice is to put up with the Toolbox covering part of the
image window.

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Re: [Gimp-user] Fwd: Re: GIMP vs Photoshop

[Burnie West]

On 01/20/2010 06:42 AM, Programmer In Training wrote:
>
> 2.6.8 and as far as I can tell, there is no way to revert to old behavior.
>
> This is the behavior I'm currently having to deal with.
> http://www.joseph-a-nagy-jr.us/images/screen-caps/gimp.png (458KB, don't
> ask me how it's that large)
>
Somewhat off-topic - but I found that an interesting question.
So I opened the file, clipped out the residue of the wallpaper, cleared 
the checkmarks for save background color and save color values from 
transparent pixels, and wound up with a file of 54.6 KB. Still has the 
same resolution, comments, and creation (whatever they were).
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Re: [Gimp-user] Fwd: Re: GIMP vs Photoshop

[Martin Nordholts]

Programmer In Training wrote:
> Then the old behavior from 2.4 should be made optional, or at least a
> reasonable facsimile.

Most people thinks having two different menubars in one application is 
insane. The small amount of people that thinks it is a good idea will 
have to maintain code for that themselves, sorry.

Regards,
Martin



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Re: [Gimp-user] Fwd: Re: GIMP vs Photoshop

[Programmer In Training]

On 1/20/2010 12:08 PM, Martin Nordholts wrote:

> But I think we need to keep the setting we have. Some people prefer it
> the way you do, they want their image windows to hide docks, while
> others don't want the docks to be hidden.
> 
>  / Martin
> 
> 

Then the old behavior from 2.4 should be made optional, or at least a
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Re: [Gimp-user] Fwd: Re: GIMP vs Photoshop

[Martin Nordholts]

Ken Warner wrote:
> Thanks... Much better.  Why didn't I think of that?  Maybe because
> I didn't think there was three different kinds of windows.  Do we
> really need three different kinds of windows?  I'm just asking

Since we removed the menu from the toolbox for GIMP 2.6, we don't. In 
git master this is fixed, the setting is not separate for the toolbox 
and other docks, it's a single setting shared for both the dock window 
with the toolbox and the other dock windows.

But I think we need to keep the setting we have. Some people prefer it 
the way you do, they want their image windows to hide docks, while 
others don't want the docks to be hidden.

  / Martin


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Re: [Gimp-user] Fwd: Re: GIMP vs Photoshop

[Ken Warner]

Thanks... Much better.  Why didn't I think of that?  Maybe because
I didn't think there was three different kinds of windows.  Do we
really need three different kinds of windows?  I'm just asking

Martin Nordholts wrote:
> Ken Warner wrote:
>> Yeah, I hate that too.  What's the point of having a floating window
>> if you can never bring it to the top of the stack?
> 
> Edit -> Preferences -> Window Management, change the toolbox and dock 
> hints to 'Normal window'
> 
>  / Martin
> 
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Re: [Gimp-user] Fwd: Re: GIMP vs Photoshop

[Martin Nordholts]

Ken Warner wrote:
> Yeah, I hate that too.  What's the point of having a floating window
> if you can never bring it to the top of the stack?

Edit -> Preferences -> Window Management, change the toolbox and dock 
hints to 'Normal window'

  / Martin


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Re: [Gimp-user] Fwd: Re: GIMP vs Photoshop

[Ken Warner]

Yeah, I hate that too.  What's the point of having a floating window
if you can never bring it to the top of the stack?

Programmer In Training wrote:

> The toolbox should not be linked to the image editing window (especially
> when it is always on TOP of the image editing window) for starters. Once
> I pick a tool, I don't need to see the tool box. I need to see the image
> I'm working on, whether it's 1600x1200 (as any of the full size images
> here:
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Re: [Gimp-user] Fwd: Re: GIMP vs Photoshop

[Martin Nordholts]

Ken Warner wrote:
> Well, I've experienced the same.  When I close the tool window, GIMP
> exits.  Really a pisser

This is fixed in git master and will be further polished for GIMP 2.8

  / Martin



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Re: [Gimp-user] Fwd: Re: GIMP vs Photoshop

[Ken Warner]

Well, I've experienced the same.  When I close the tool window, GIMP
exits.  Really a pisser

Alexandre Prokoudine wrote:
> On Wed, Jan 20, 2010 at 5:42 PM, Programmer In Training wrote:
> 
>> 2.6.8 and as far as I can tell, there is no way to revert to old behavior.
>>
>> This is the behavior I'm currently having to deal with.
>> http://www.joseph-a-nagy-jr.us/images/screen-caps/gimp.png (458KB, don't
>> ask me how it's that large)
> 
> Running GIMP on Windows and hating single-window mode is bloody unique :)
> 
> You are talking about different things, as a matter of fact. There is
> no way you can revert to GIMP 2.4 behaviour. There never will be.
> 
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Re: [Gimp-user] Fwd: Re: GIMP vs Photoshop

[Programmer In Training]

On 1/20/2010 9:23 AM, Claus Cyrny wrote:

> Why do you need a 'Minimize' button for the toolbox? For 2.8,
> there will be an optional singe-window mode available (the link
> to the respective article was already posted in this thread).
> 
> Claus

The toolbox should not be linked to the image editing window (especially
when it is always on TOP of the image editing window) for starters. Once
I pick a tool, I don't need to see the tool box. I need to see the image
I'm working on, whether it's 1600x1200 (as any of the full size images
here:

http://adragonstale.joseph-a-nagy-jr.us/art/digital/

or 250x250. I should be able to float the tool dialogs when I just need
that dialog and not require the entire toolbox. It's much easier to work
around one small window then one large window (I am not going to
constantly resize the entire toolbox, that's a waste of time). The way
GIMP worked in 2.4 was PERFECT. I was hoping only for bug fixes and
security updates past that. I guess if I'm going to continue using The
GIMP I'm going to have to revert back to that version.

What about GEGL and babl you might ask? I really don't give a flip about
either since their website has been down for Lord knows how long and I
have no clue what they are supposed to do (I've tried experimenting with
the GEGL options and was not pleased). At this point I don't care.

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Re: [Gimp-user] Fwd: Re: GIMP vs Photoshop

[Programmer In Training]

On 1/20/2010 8:46 AM, Alexandre Prokoudine wrote:

> Running GIMP on Windows and hating single-window mode is bloody unique :)

I've ran some flavor of Linux almost as long as I've run some version of
Windows.

> You are talking about different things, as a matter of fact. There is
> no way you can revert to GIMP 2.4 behaviour. There never will be.

That is rather unfortunate. I'll have to find a new image editor than. I
do not want to be using a PS clone. That's not why I use The GIMP. I
used it because of flexibility. It's becoming less and less flexible, in
my opinion.

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Re: [Gimp-user] Fwd: Re: GIMP vs Photoshop

[Claus Cyrny]

Programmer In Training wrote:

On 1/20/2010 7:04 AM, David Gowers wrote:
  

On Wed, Jan 20, 2010 at 11:22 AM, Programmer In Training



  

So the next update will see the ability to revert back to the old
behavior? That will be nice. (:
  

What version are you using?
GIT HEAD (dd8b867852efccc00eda94244ef1f27dc1a145b7 as of this writing)
already has this option working, I just checked.
I think commit db2221c97d0532b2a558ba44fb80f2b4e39c2c0a (25 or so
commits earlier) was the first commit in which this switching was
non-buggy, but don't quote me on that.




2.6.8 and as far as I can tell, there is no way to revert to old behavior.

This is the behavior I'm currently having to deal with.
http://www.joseph-a-nagy-jr.us/images/screen-caps/gimp.png (458KB, don't
ask me how it's that large)
  


Why do you need a 'Minimize' button for the toolbox? For 2.8,
there will be an optional singe-window mode available (the link
to the respective article was already posted in this thread).

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Re: [Gimp-user] Fwd: Re: GIMP vs Photoshop

[Alexandre Prokoudine]

On Wed, Jan 20, 2010 at 5:42 PM, Programmer In Training wrote:

> 2.6.8 and as far as I can tell, there is no way to revert to old behavior.
>
> This is the behavior I'm currently having to deal with.
> http://www.joseph-a-nagy-jr.us/images/screen-caps/gimp.png (458KB, don't
> ask me how it's that large)

Running GIMP on Windows and hating single-window mode is bloody unique :)

You are talking about different things, as a matter of fact. There is
no way you can revert to GIMP 2.4 behaviour. There never will be.

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Re: [Gimp-user] Fwd: Re: GIMP vs Photoshop

[Programmer In Training]

On 1/20/2010 7:04 AM, David Gowers wrote:
> On Wed, Jan 20, 2010 at 11:22 AM, Programmer In Training

>> So the next update will see the ability to revert back to the old
>> behavior? That will be nice. (:
> 
> What version are you using?
> GIT HEAD (dd8b867852efccc00eda94244ef1f27dc1a145b7 as of this writing)
> already has this option working, I just checked.
> I think commit db2221c97d0532b2a558ba44fb80f2b4e39c2c0a (25 or so
> commits earlier) was the first commit in which this switching was
> non-buggy, but don't quote me on that.
> 

2.6.8 and as far as I can tell, there is no way to revert to old behavior.

This is the behavior I'm currently having to deal with.
http://www.joseph-a-nagy-jr.us/images/screen-caps/gimp.png (458KB, don't
ask me how it's that large)
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Re: [Gimp-user] Fwd: Re: GIMP vs Photoshop

[David Gowers]

On Wed, Jan 20, 2010 at 11:22 AM, Programmer In Training
 wrote:
> On 1/19/2010 6:43 PM, Alexandre Prokoudine wrote:
>> On 1/20/10, Programmer In Training wrote:
>>
 itch I am scratching: I run Linux but hate to manage windows and/or
 workspaces, and single-window mode will fix this for me.
>>>
>>> I absolutely /hate/ the single window mode.
>>
>> You don't have to like single image node either. It'll be optional.
>>
>
> So the next update will see the ability to revert back to the old
> behavior? That will be nice. (:

What version are you using?
GIT HEAD (dd8b867852efccc00eda94244ef1f27dc1a145b7 as of this writing)
already has this option working, I just checked.
I think commit db2221c97d0532b2a558ba44fb80f2b4e39c2c0a (25 or so
commits earlier) was the first commit in which this switching was
non-buggy, but don't quote me on that.
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Re: [Gimp-user] Sharpness Values GIMP vs DPP

[JPL]

Ken Warner a écrit :
> Hi,
> 
> Would you know if there is a refocus binary for Windows somewhere?

Here : 
http://photocomix-resources.deviantart.com/art/Refocus-plugin-windows-OS-81588756

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Re: [Gimp-user] Fwd: Re: Completely off every imaginable topic;)

[Norman Silverstone]

> I agree with you completely.  It's amazing to me that anyone would
> even be concerned enough to have an opinion about the issue to
> make an unequivocal statement about it.
> 
> Such is our age of hyper-outrage

I use the list mostly to ask a question and, when I am able, to give an
answer to someone else's question. So, for the first response, given the
title of the thread a top posted comment is not a problem. The
difficulty seems to arise if a discussion ensues. In that case I would
suggest that to those whom it is important to follow the arguments that
judicious use of < snip > and in between posting is probably the most
useful otherwise I am beginning to think that top or bottom posting does
not really matter.

Consider how hard copy is retained in a file, that is top posted is it
not?

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Re: [Gimp-user] Fwd: Re: Completely off every imaginable topic;)

[Ken Warner]

I agree with you completely.  It's amazing to me that anyone would
even be concerned enough to have an opinion about the issue to
make an unequivocal statement about it.

Such is our age of hyper-outrage

J4 wrote:
>>> Top-posting = bad and goes against the way you read
> 
> Oh here we go...
> 
> Time to add my 2 cents worth. 
> 
> I always top post.  There is nothing wrong with it and there is nothing
> wrong with bottom posting.  Its a preference.  I have no idea where the
> top=bad and bottom=good came from. This was certainly not present in
> Email discourse that I was party to 15 years ago, and neither when I
> started using Email, which would have been in 1988.  The first time I
> was berated for top posting was sometime in 1998, and I was somewhat
> surprised.
> 
> I am amazed that it is a problem, and I don't know why it is.  Top
> posting, IMO, is logical.  It allows the recipient to immediately read
> the reply instead of scrolling down to the bottom of the Email: The
> recipient does not have to read the entire thread, because he is already
> involved with the discussion and requires the current comment.  One
> could argue that when achieved, it is easier to read from the top down
> to the final note at the bottom, but as a quick form of communication,
> especially on a mailing list and also in an environment where we want to
> save a little time, its a pain in the arse.
> 
> I propose, that someone creates a new project that reads mailing list
> archives, identifies those that contain top-posting discourse, and then
> rearrange the offending archive into a bottom posting archive.  All we
> need is someone with spare time, and a computer!
> 
> However, I don't care whether someone uses top or bottom posting. 
> 
> [Yes, I know that someone will read the above and say, 'well you wrote
> that you don't have a preference, and later you state that bottom
> posting is a pain in the arse.'  Well, there you go!]
> 
> Now, shall we take this discussion to private Email and discuss it there
> instead of on a GIMP mailing list.  Please don't Cc me into it ;)
> 
> Best wishes,s
> 
> Programmer In Training wrote:
>> On 1/19/2010 2:02 PM, Elwin Estle wrote:
>>   
 But that' s not how at least *I* read messages on the many mailing
 lists I follow. When new postings to an existing thread arrive in my
 mailbox, I have read the postings prior to that post already earlier,
 so I don' t have to read them again. For me, scrolling down all the
 previous postings is a waste of time and energy. And frustrating, to be
 honest...
   
>>> Ditto.
>>> 
>> That's where judicious snipping of previous emails and replying directly
>> underneath the points your addressing is ideal.
>>
>>
>> Top-posting = bad and goes against the way you read (and sorry, while I
>> do read every email in a topic I'm following, I don't remember what was
>> said from one day to the next). Bottom-posting isn't much better, but it
>> follows the NORMAL flow of reading. Email is just like any other
>> text-based communication.
>>
>> Last time I'm posting on the subject. Lets go help some folks.
>>   
>> 
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Re: [Gimp-user] Create a clickable hotspot?

[Greg Chapman]

Hi Owen,

On 19 Jan 10 21:43 "Owen"  said:
> >>> How do I create a clickable hotspot in GIMP?
> >>>
> >> Filters->Web->Image Map  will do the job.
> >>
> >> Documentation is here:
> >> http://docs.gimp.org/2.6/en/plug-in-imagemap.html
> 
> Not sure what Kompozer is, but I suggest you will probably need to 
> do some hand coding

KompoZer (http://www.kompozer.net) is an excellent open source WYSIWYG
web page editor that runs under Windows, Linux and Mac.

As this really seems to be a KompoZer issue the OP would be better 
visiting:

http://wysifauthoring.informe.com/forum/

where they'll be plenty of help.

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Re: [Gimp-user] Fwd: Re: Completely off every imaginable topic;)

[J4]

>>Top-posting = bad and goes against the way you read

Oh here we go...

Time to add my 2 cents worth. 

I always top post.  There is nothing wrong with it and there is nothing
wrong with bottom posting.  Its a preference.  I have no idea where the
top=bad and bottom=good came from. This was certainly not present in
Email discourse that I was party to 15 years ago, and neither when I
started using Email, which would have been in 1988.  The first time I
was berated for top posting was sometime in 1998, and I was somewhat
surprised.

I am amazed that it is a problem, and I don't know why it is.  Top
posting, IMO, is logical.  It allows the recipient to immediately read
the reply instead of scrolling down to the bottom of the Email: The
recipient does not have to read the entire thread, because he is already
involved with the discussion and requires the current comment.  One
could argue that when achieved, it is easier to read from the top down
to the final note at the bottom, but as a quick form of communication,
especially on a mailing list and also in an environment where we want to
save a little time, its a pain in the arse.

I propose, that someone creates a new project that reads mailing list
archives, identifies those that contain top-posting discourse, and then
rearrange the offending archive into a bottom posting archive.  All we
need is someone with spare time, and a computer!

However, I don't care whether someone uses top or bottom posting. 

[Yes, I know that someone will read the above and say, 'well you wrote
that you don't have a preference, and later you state that bottom
posting is a pain in the arse.'  Well, there you go!]

Now, shall we take this discussion to private Email and discuss it there
instead of on a GIMP mailing list.  Please don't Cc me into it ;)

Best wishes,s

Programmer In Training wrote:
> On 1/19/2010 2:02 PM, Elwin Estle wrote:
>   
>>> But that' s not how at least *I* read messages on the many mailing
>>> lists I follow. When new postings to an existing thread arrive in my
>>> mailbox, I have read the postings prior to that post already earlier,
>>> so I don' t have to read them again. For me, scrolling down all the
>>> previous postings is a waste of time and energy. And frustrating, to be
>>> honest...
>>>   
>> Ditto.
>> 
>
> That's where judicious snipping of previous emails and replying directly
> underneath the points your addressing is ideal.
>
>
> Top-posting = bad and goes against the way you read (and sorry, while I
> do read every email in a topic I'm following, I don't remember what was
> said from one day to the next). Bottom-posting isn't much better, but it
> follows the NORMAL flow of reading. Email is just like any other
> text-based communication.
>
> Last time I'm posting on the subject. Lets go help some folks.
>   
> 
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