Re: [Gimp-user] upgrade to Leopard on Mac presents GIMP problem
how many people here are on dialup? for anyone still debating the switch in the usa, i have found that it paid for itself. i have not owned a land line in years. i own an iphone. period. i am on the cheapest plan with that since I use email to stay in contact with over 95% of the people I know. I also threw away my fax machine.years ago. i use the free faxzero online instead. I don't need to add to my broadband cable bill with entertainment because I get all the dvds I need free from the 3 libraries I use, setting up my holds online. so i need no tv other than as a monitor. i can also stream media on my macbook for further entertainment or education, including podcasts. both my husband and i can also be online at the same time. i can also carry my macbook all over my home and still be online, including outside. This is also tax deductible because we use it for work. All this for $45 a month. Oh, and I need to use a stamp once or twice a month now since I handle all my mail online. I realize those of you not in the usa do not have these ideal cirecumstances necessarily but it is hard for me to understand why anyone in the usa thinks dialup is a bargain. carol On 11/2/07, Chris Mohler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Nov 2, 2007 10:13 PM, carol irvin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: no, i haven't. i just discovered this problem this evening. i finally took photos today with my iphone and i wanted to see how much i could improve them in an image editor. that's when i tried opening them in GIMP and discovered the problem. so i ended up going to photoshop and editing them there. actually, the pictures were pretty good. i was just curious as to how good a camera was on the iphone. (talk about point and shoot!) i especially like the way i can see the image i'm going to shoot on the iphone, click on the iphone and it takes it on the back of it. i photo pops up when i sync with the iphone and the mac and pics come right in. i guess i'll try a reinstall this weekend unless there is a big notice there that it only works on Tiger (the earlier OS), oh, am attaching two photos. all i did was crop these two. I'm officially jealous :) It would be better to upload your attachments somewhere (photobucket, etc) and post a link - anyone on dial-up is going to have a hell of a time with that last message ;) Chris ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user -- carol ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
[Gimp-user] no flame war: germany vs usa-- over broadband use
if you are trying to do image and high tech work and find it a tax deductible expense of your work, then I fail to see how the larger scheme of world poverty is at issue. if you are on this list, you already own a computer and are already on dialup at the very least so you are not part of the world poverty scene. you also are not going to get very far in your image work, if you do it professionally, if it takes you an eternity to pass images back and forth to the people in your professional market place. I published a book in 2004 which I sent back and forth straight through from 1st draft to final galleys online, saving me several hundred dollars (what I used to pay in earlier editions of the textbook in mailing it in during each phase). I could not do this passing the book versions on dialup. I also needed no phone calls with my editor during this time period and I used to have tons of calls, all long distance. I was even able to work online with the printer. I am trying to show you how to SAVE money by using broadband in the usa. I see you are in germany. a friend of mine in dresden and I will be doing a broadband chat tomorrow so that she can use me as her interview subject for a class project she has at the university medical school there (she needed a person with cancer for her study). we eliminated faxes and phones and are doing the whole thing online and, at least in my case, totally for free. we will also be able to transmit images and documents back and forth easily as we chat. I realize americans are not very popular right now and it is easy to take potshots at any american as an imperialist (even though I did not vote for the person in power). However, a person could likewise take some pretty cheap shots at a german if one wanted to go back to some earlier decades in the twentieth century. However, I am not ignorant enough to assume every german i meet is a Nazi underneath nowadays, although plenty of people around the world continue to make those cracks and have those beliefs. I also believe modern day Germany is set up so as to avoid poverty pretty well, and especially in its health care system. I am not going to say anymore on this subject. In fact, I am going to do something else for awhile rather than talk to someone who is obviously looking for a flame war. A flame war is indeed off topic. carol On 11/3/07, Marc Lehmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, Nov 03, 2007 at 07:31:44AM -0400, carol irvin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: how many people here are on dialup? for anyone still debating the switch in This is completely off-topic. since I handle all my mail online. I realize those of you not in the usa do not have these ideal cirecumstances necessarily but it is hard for me to understand why anyone in the usa thinks dialup is a bargain. This is the most imperialistic and stupid crap I heard in a long time. Do you really believe this shit or are you on drugs? The USA is technologically behind in many important areas, and poverty is a big problem, forcing many people to live in a way far worse than in most europeean countries. Just because you have the money doesn't mean everybody else has, especially in a country like the us with its many poor people, substandard health support and so on. You really need to get a grip on reality, carol :/ -- The choice of a Deliantra, the free code+content MORPG -==- _GNU_ http://www.deliantra.net ==-- _ generation ---==---(_)__ __ __ Marc Lehmann --==---/ / _ \/ // /\ \/ / [EMAIL PROTECTED] -=/_/_//_/\_,_/ /_/\_\ -- carol ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
[Gimp-user] upgrade to Leopard on Mac presents GIMP problem
I just upgraded my macbook to the Leopard OS (wonderful). However, one side effect of this is that GIMP is now dead. I can't get it to launch or do anything. X11 still launches and seems fine but that isn't helping GIMP any. So far this is the only program affected but since i've only had Leopard installed for a day, that could change. Am I dead with GIMP? -- carol ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
[Gimp-user] video podcasts on GIMP--looks great on iphone (free at itunes store)
i am now getting the free video podcasts in itunes for GIMP. I sync them to my iphone and with that new large screen area (also on new ipods), it looks great. I had no problem following the tutuorial. Of course, I may no longer have GIMP but I've got the video podcasts for it! You just look up Gimp podcasts at the Itunes store and then subscribe for free. it's got that logo of the GIMP creature in an orange circle on the podcast so it is hard to miss. -- carol ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
[Gimp-user] upgrade to Leopard on Mac presents GIMP problem
I sent this message to Gimp User Gimp-user@lists.xcf.berkeley.edu and just got this reply*from Stephen. I believe his problem is not with me but that he needs to* *sign off this listserv if he finds listserv messages annoying. It was NOT* *sent to him at his individual email addy. I just checked.* * * *carol * From: Dunn, Stephen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Nov 2, 2007 10:40 PM Subject: RE: [Gimp-user] upgrade to Leopard on Mac presents GIMP problem To: carol irvin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Stop sending me these messages, its really annoying. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of carol irvin Sent: Fri 11/2/2007 8:49 PM To: Gimp User Subject: [Gimp-user] upgrade to Leopard on Mac presents GIMP problem I just upgraded my macbook to the Leopard OS (wonderful). However, one side effect of this is that GIMP is now dead. I can't get it to launch or do anything. X11 still launches and seems fine but that isn't helping GIMP any. So far this is the only program affected but since i've only had Leopard installed for a day, that could change. Am I dead with GIMP? -- carol -- carol ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
[Gimp-user] GIMP 2.4.0; available for Mac also?
i'm using GIMP on a Mac. Is this new version ready for the Mac yet or still in the wings? thanks, carol Version 2.4 of the GNU Image Manipulation Program is finally out. Developers, artists and user interface designers from all over the world worked together to make GIMP more powerful and easier to use than ever. The changes from version 2.2 are described in the release notes on http://gimp.org/release-notes/gimp-2.4.html http://gimp.org/release-notes/gimp-2.4.html For a more detailed list of changes, please have a look at the NEWS file at http://developer.gimp.org/NEWS-2.4http://developer.gimp.org/NEWS-2.4 If you want to compile GIMP 2.4 yourself, you can grab the tarball from ftp.gimp.org or one of its mirrors: ftp://ftp.gimp.org/pub/gimp/v2.4/ Binary packages for the various supported platforms are expected to become available over the next couple of days. The new gimp.org website will help you to locate the packages for your system: http://gimp.org/downloads/http://gimp.org/downloads/ Thanks a lot to everyone who helped to improve GIMP. The roadmap for GIMP 2.6 will be discussed over the next weeks on the gimp-developer mailing-list. We can only tell you so much now: It is going to rock and it shouldn't take as long to get it done as it took to finish GIMP 2.4. If you want to join the effort, your help is much appreciated. Happy GIMPing, Sven ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user -- carol ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
[Gimp-user] Pngs, jpgs, tifs, etc.,
i too have found myself using pngs a lot more than jpgs and for the same reason. the image came in as a jpg though, i went ahead and worked with it as a jpg. however, i too would have preferred tackling it as a png file. my absolute first choice would be a tif but it was given in the problem that a tif was out. carol ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] Pngs, jpgs, tifs, etc.,
this is probably going to sound like a really weird solution to a problem but it has worked for me over the years. i often wander off the beaten path though so that tendency may work for someone else too. if i have an image that isn't working in the computer, i make the best possible print i can of it. then i may go into that print with other (live) media and punch it up that way. then i scan the print into the computer and make a new image from the scan in a file format i like and with a resolution that is better than what i had. then i use the image program to adjust the image until it takes shape as something i want to keep. usually there is a good chunk of the original image which still remains so all has not been lost. i am simply not used to using the native format of the GIMP program. for awhile i used to use the native format for photoshop, which was psd. then i discovered that a whole bunch of other programs i had would not show a thumbnail of a psd. yet they would all show it of a tif. (this was while i was using windows as my OS) so i started using tif and was happy with using it. there is some relief in knowing that every single program you have on your computer will be able to show the image in the tif format. this is also true of the jpg, the png and the gif. carol On 10/24/07, Chris Mohler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 10/24/07, carol irvin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i too have found myself using pngs a lot more than jpgs and for the same reason. the image came in as a jpg though, i went ahead and worked with it as a jpg. however, i too would have preferred tackling it as a png file. my absolute first choice would be a tif but it was given in the problem that a tif was out. In this case - the problem JPEG - re-saving as JPEG would only produce more of the same artifacts that were causing grief to the engraver. As a designer I frequently deal with this scenario: Hi, we need X printed on Y and it needs to be Z feet tall. All I have is this (crappy) JPEG (or fax, doc, ppt, etc). I try this: 1. is it a corporation? is the logo on brandsoftheworld.com? 2. do they have vector artwork on their web page (hidden in a PDF, etc)? 3. is it just a font? can what the font figure it out? 4. can I salvage it in GIMP (or PS) or Inkscape? 5. redo it :( Regardless of the solution, the format chosen to save my work in is up to me - just because I was _given_ a JPEG, there's no reason for me to _save_ it as JPEG later. Sorry, this turned into a bit of a rant I guess all I was trying to say is that you're not locked into saving as a JPEG just because that's all the client has to offer :) Chris ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user -- carol ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] sharpen vs. levels, curves, saturation
i use layers all the time but it is in a mixing and blending context. i also have developed the rather odd habit of saving many, many different versions on the desktop while i am doing things in either program and i generally go to layers when i'm putting those images on top of one another and combining. when it comes to just doing color adjustments, i just tend to do it the non-layer way. i've never had a problem doing it this way. remember though that i am a painter, collage maker and such though, not a photographer. thus, my personal work habits tend to be a bit messier and sloppier than a photographer's. i'm sure a photographer is a lot more meticulous and technical straight across the board. just look at the difference one sees in their (former) studio environments. clean artists rarely get anything done whereas clean photographers are the norm. i am probably just a great deal more eccentric in the way i go about things than the average person so one doesn't necessarily want to follow my role model. generally, the messier the art form, the more i liked it too. carol I really cannot see any reason not to use layers - Flattening is such an easy but the benefits that come from using layers are so great that I would not see that as an obstacle. To not use layers seems IMHO rather like driving a car on a freeway whilst sticking to 30mph and choosing a low gear ratio. IF one is going to use sophisticated programs such as Gimp and photoshop then the additional effort of learning to use layers is trivial. As far as sharpening is concerned I agree with Carol. I have only ever found sharpening to have a role for low resolution images and then very rarely. It is a tool that is best forgotten in favor of developing higher basic skills. I would never sharpen (unless it is to achieve a specific artistic effect) on high resolution images but for these I always use raw at 16bit. Sharpening does not make a photographic image that was taken without being properly focused any sharper.. in fact when you carefully examine high resolution prints that have been so-called sharpened one can see the traces of the sharpening process and these only serve to make the image appear a little odd. If the image is not sharp to start with there is no digital process available that is going to replace poor technique at the capturing stage. My recomendation to students is if you think your photographic image needs sharpening then go back to basics.Use that image as a spur to re-examining your capturing technique. Examine your camera handling methods. See whether anappropriate shtter/aperture had been used and whether the ability to hand hold a camera steady has been over-estimmated or whether a hand held shot has been attempted that needed a tripod. Using a hand held camera in inapproprate conditions is a recipe for disaster. Could you have changed the ISO? My two pennorth ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user -- carol ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] Beginning GIMP: From Novice to Professional
i am hearing impaired, which normally doesn't cause too many problems but in foreign languages it is a disaster. i showed a fair amount of talent in high school for languages (especially the one no one speaks, latin) but by the time i got to college and they put me in a language lab (tapes of people speaking the french language in 1966), i had a problem. i could do the written work just fine but those labs were a nightmare. after i finished french in college (my written exam grade bringing up my oral exam grade), i was done with languages. the way this persists in modern day life is that if someone speaks with a foreign accent, i right away have trouble hearing (understanding) them. my oncologist is from india and i have to look at my husband and get the translation about 1/3 of the time from him. my oncologist's accent is not even very pronounced. i just tell people about my hearing problem ASAP so no one gets insulted with my needing translations. i live in the midwest usa so sound pretty much like what you hear on american tv and film. however, stick me in the deep south usa and they might as well be speaking a foreign language too as the same hearing problems crop up. (my father's entire family was from new england though so i grew up hearing that accent so can still understand it). this is hereditary. it is about a 40% loss, both ears. the chemo gave me ringing ears too so hearing aids only amplify the ringing so are of little help. as you can probably imagine, i am very strong visually, with the written word and with computers, probably partially in compensation for this disability. when i was growing up (1950s and 1960s usa) hearing problems of my sort weren't even recognized. you had to be outright deaf to get help in the schools. so i think i was compensating at a very early age with visual, written words, etc.,. my audiologist told me the first time he tested me as an adult that i did the best job of compensating of anyone he'd ever met (he had to have me face the wall to get a true test result so i would stop compensating). i listen to music and watch dvds with headphones so i don't drive other people bats with my volume. so for any of you aspiring to foreign language talents, it sure helps if you have normal hearing if you want to converse with someone in one. ironically, my uncle was so good at foreign languages that the army made him a translator-interrogator in Italy during WWII. He could pick languages up in a snap, both orally and written, but he also did not inherit the family hearing disability. he also didn't have any visual imagery talent so i guess things have a way of evening out. carol On 10/10/07, Leon Brooks GIMP [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thursday 11 October 2007 00:50:09 J Figueroa G - Gmail wrote: (I dont speak and read english so much) Don't worry about it (No worries! here in Australia). I'd just be guessing if I _chose_ your native language as Spanish or something like it (Casablanca?), would have to patiently spend time (days or weeks) learning to _speak_ the language in order to say anything more useful than hello. If it's Latin-based I could possibly blunder my way through most of it, but it would be entertaining for you (or any other onlooker) to watch me try that. My knowledge outside of English is almost zero. I was born in Canada of Australian parents, promptly (2 years) imported back into Australia again. I have friends from various parts of Africa, Peru, Laos, Brazil, France, Italy, Poland etc but that hasn't been enough to prompt me to learn another language. Oh, except for C, ForTran, BASIC, PHP, Pascal, Modula2, assembler... Cheers; Leon ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user -- carol ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
[Gimp-user] sharpen vs. levels, curves, saturation
rather than relying on sharpen to sharpen an image, i have much better luck using levels or curves. i also typically increase saturation some on images after i have done a layers or curves adjustment. i thus almost never need to use sharpen, which is good, because sharpen usually doesn't make my image better. the above is true for both GIMP and Photoshop. carol On 10/9/07, Pere Pujal i Carabantes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all! to (gimp-selection-sharpen img) does not meet the SHARPEN or SHARPEN MORE from photoshop, so what are the gimp equivalents for SHARPEN or SHARPEN MORE? ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] sharpen vs. levels, curves, saturation
in both photoshop and GIMP you do not need to do these functions as a layer adjustment (i.e. work on layers). You can use the Image menu in photoshop and make these adjustments without layers or in Gimp you can go to the Tools menu and do an adjustment under colors. as long as you are saving your various versions, there is no danger of being stuck with a change you don't like. You CAN do these as a layers adjustment but that presupposes that the user is already good at using layers and also wants to take the extra time to flatten and such. As for the actual use of the tools, each has its own dialog box with sliders and you manually slide the controls till you have something which pleases you. I am NOT a purist where I insist on doing everything in layers. I usually go to layers when I am blending various versions of images. There are some who would regard me as a heretic for saying this though as they don't believe you should do anything without using layers. I think any of these manuals we have been discussing show illustrations of all of the above. Grooking the GIMP, as previously given as a link to the group, for sure shows all of the above and that manual is entirely online and free. carol On 10/9/07, Patrick Shanahan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 * carol irvin [EMAIL PROTECTED] [10-09-07 23:14]: rather than relying on sharpen to sharpen an image, i have much better luck using levels or curves. i also typically increase saturation some on images after i have done a layers or curves adjustment. i thus almost never need to use sharpen, which is good, because sharpen usually doesn't make my image better. the above is true for both GIMP and Photoshop. Please provide a little more detail about this operation, ie: explain layers adjustment and which curves. interesting idea, tks, - -- Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USAHOG # US1244711 http://wahoo.no-ip.org Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 Registered Linux User #207535@ http://counter.li.org -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4-svn4472 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFHDES1ClSjbQz1U5oRAk+vAJ9Mc7faAFMks3lcjM7xAvAUrbqdIwCgmxw5 PU8np2PUrv/6CJkw/sZavZw= =z3XG -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user -- carol ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
[Gimp-user] Fwd: sharpen vs. levels, curves, saturation
-- Forwarded message -- From: carol irvin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Oct 9, 2007 11:49 PM Subject: Re: [Gimp-user] sharpen vs. levels, curves, saturation To: gimp-user@lists.xcf.berkeley.edu in both photoshop and GIMP you do not need to do these functions as a layer adjustment (i.e. work on layers). You can use the Image menu in photoshop and make these adjustments without layers or in Gimp you can go to the Tools menu and do an adjustment under colors. as long as you are saving your various versions, there is no danger of being stuck with a change you don't like. You CAN do these as a layers adjustment but that presupposes that the user is already good at using layers and also wants to take the extra time to flatten and such. As for the actual use of the tools, each has its own dialog box with sliders and you manually slide the controls till you have something which pleases you. I am NOT a purist where I insist on doing everything in layers. I usually go to layers when I am blending various versions of images. There are some who would regard me as a heretic for saying this though as they don't believe you should do anything without using layers. I think any of these manuals we have been discussing show illustrations of all of the above. Grooking the GIMP, as previously given as a link to the group, for sure shows all of the above and that manual is entirely online and free. carol On 10/9/07, Patrick Shanahan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 * carol irvin [EMAIL PROTECTED] [10-09-07 23:14]: rather than relying on sharpen to sharpen an image, i have much better luck using levels or curves. i also typically increase saturation some on images after i have done a layers or curves adjustment. i thus almost never need to use sharpen, which is good, because sharpen usually doesn't make my image better. the above is true for both GIMP and Photoshop. Please provide a little more detail about this operation, ie: explain layers adjustment and which curves. interesting idea, tks, - -- Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USAHOG # US1244711 http://wahoo.no-ip.org Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 Registered Linux User #207535@ http://counter.li.org -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4-svn4472 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFHDES1ClSjbQz1U5oRAk+vAJ9Mc7faAFMks3lcjM7xAvAUrbqdIwCgmxw5 PU8np2PUrv/6CJkw/sZavZw= =z3XG -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user -- carol -- carol ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
[Gimp-user] GIMP learning sites
http://en.flossmanuals.net/bin/view/Gimp/OptimisingImagesForWeb?topic=WebHome http://gimp.org/tutorials/ http://meetthegimp.org/?cat=8 http://www.gimpguru.org/ http://gimp-savvy.com/BOOK/ http://gug.sunsite.dk/ -- carol ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
[Gimp-user] bit processing and deconstruct editing--AUTO delete
Since I read that many of us are in agreement about not wanting to continue reading about the ongoing feud, I just wanted to let everyone know that I will not be reading any more emails which have the above two headings. Those seem to be the two that the feuders are using. Thus, if a comment is expected from me on any query, you will have to put something else in the subject line as all of those will be deleted unread henceforth. If they start up on another subject line with the ongoing feud, those will be deleted unread as well. I try to answer all queries but you will have to gain my attention on the subject line as a non-feuder in order for me to see your comment. Thanks to those of you already changing to new subject lines. My inbox appreciates it! -- carol ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
[Gimp-user] asif--thanks for Gimp learning sites
i already knew about Groking the Gimp and have read parts of it. However, I also have a digital version of Sam's Guide to GIMP in 24 Hours which is easier to read so I shifted over to that first. I did not know about your other leads so have bookmarked them all so I can return for tutorials when needed. Thanks! carol ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
[Gimp-user] can we change bit processing header in subject line?
bit processing is now such a huge email that I am having trouble telling when I want to read it and when I don't. There is some really good creative info coming in on it which I don't want to miss. But there is also some sort of continuing feud going on under that same heading, which I do not want to read. Perhaps the people who want to post continuing creative insights could title theirs on the subject line creativity and if they want to limit it even further could add camera or painting or art. As for the feuders, I don't really know what they can label theirs but I would really like something that earmarks it so I can delete it unread as I don't want to devote further time to scanning through them just to delete them. I suppose you could just label it feud continues and those who want to follow it can and those who want to delete unread can do so. Thank you. -- carol ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] floating selection
Also Carol you can right mouse click on the floating layer and select new layer which can be very useful. Regards Pete PS Welcome to the gimp The Mac doesn't have right click. Instead, you use with your left hand the control key and with your right the mouse bar on the macbook (or a left mouse button if you were using an actual mouse). I have used this on the floating layer and no context menu comes up. so i think that one limitation I have on the Gimp is that I have to use the menus. So I can go into the layer menu and make a new layer with that. Initially I really missed right click. However, I screwed up my thumb last summer using right click on my windows laptop without a mouse. I had to do a twisting motion with my thumb on the mousing device on the laptop. Anyway, I ended up having to go into physical therapy for several months because of this, with ultrasound and exercises plus anti-inflammatory rx. By using the Control (left hand) Click (right hand) on the Mac, there is no way I can re-injure myself like that. so, i do not bemoan loss of some features when I compare how much pain and work I had to go through to get my right thumb back in service! For those of you who are developers, putting the context menus on the mac version with control click would be a very nice improvement, however. thanks for the welcome! carol ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] Bit-depth Processing
i used to teach in a college setting but in a non-art dept. the commercial art courses were all given with adobe products. this was good from one standpoint, i.e. that the students would be using the programs that an ad agency or similar would be using. It was bad from the standpoint though that most of the students could not afford all of these adobe products on their own. This meant that as they were taking these courses, they had to get all their work done on either their classroom computers or the library's computers. They could not work on their projects at home. These projects were very time consuming. Ideally, they were also the logical jumping off point for the student to do a great deal of experimentation. However, you weren't going to do much experimenting in the classroom or library if you'd already put in hours and hours of work in fairly uncomfortable circumstances of sitting in the typical classroom or library chair. If you are a student with a fair amount of discretionary income for school supplies, you can solve this problem by buying the student versions of the adobe programs. If you are a student who is financially hard pressed from semester to semester, the GIMP gives you a creative experimenting opportunity otherwise not available to you. I should add that the instructors cannot tell, when looking at your completed project, what program you did it on. They are looking at the end result only. If your end result is A material, it doesn't matter what you did it on. This is also where originality of idea pays off more than flexing your muscles with the hardest techniques. It is NOT GOOD if your work looks like everyone else's and that is the great weakness of digital art straight across the board (largely because of the overemphasis on technique over idea). The instructors don't care about anything but the artistic merit of the results. If I were the student, I'd just go home and do the art work on the Gimp where I could have all my comforts around me for the days and days of long hours needed to produce the art work. you could do some of the art work in the classroom in photoshop and then store it online before you left so you could pick it up at home. carol On 10/2/07, gimp_user [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Monday 01 October 2007 16:09:23 jim feldman wrote: Patrick Shanahan wrote: * Greg [EMAIL PROTECTED] [10-01-07 13:29] In any event, from what you've told me, GIMP may not be the right tool for me at this time. I want to retain all my bits. So until GIMP natively supports 12-bits or higher, I'm gonna have to stick to Photoshop for now. Then you need to abandon the jpeg format as it is lossey (google for it) and you need to shoot RAW. True for all DSLR's (I think), but some better PS's also can produce TIFF's which uses a lossless compression (actually being pedantic) as sort of pseudo raw format. For me at least, the big reasons for PS CS over gimp are the following: - The plugins. For the pro/semi pro shooter, there are just way too many very cool plugins for PS. Everything from Noise-Ninja to lens distortion corrections to some very interesting portrait tools to virtual view camera adjustments (more than just perspective correction). - Integration with the color spiders and CMS - 8/24 vs 16/48 - This is at least on the horizon for GIMP In GIMP's defense, many (if not the vast majority) of digital photographers will have no need of these features. Even if by some magic they were available, few would use them because of the cost or complexity. It's a good tool. I use it a great deal myself, and I wouldn't hesitate to use it to teach an into to digital darkroom course. The exception would be, for students who were on a professional photographer track. jim I think this approach is a sound one because using gimp students can, given a computer and internet access, get to know about digital processes without committing themselves to the expense of purchasing PS. They can find out whether they feel able to assimilate and use digital imaging processes because so many of the techniques remain the same. However there is no way, given the gimnps currently available tools set one I would feel confident recomending it to students for professional processing or for working collaboratively with other professionals in the industry. I wish this were not the case but until Gimp development reaches reaches the right level that is the way it is. There is also the problem of non-destructive editing which cannot be advanced until Gimp has the tools to handles raw files rather than relying upon conversions using an external tool set.. ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user -- carol ___ Gimp-user mailing
Re: [Gimp-user] carol the floating selection (now working in layers!)
no, my habit on this type of thing is to separately save the two versions (to desktop while working; to be moved when done). I then pick one of the images with SelectAll and EditCopy. I then go to the other image and hit EditPaste. I now have 2 layers which show up in the layers palette, one image atop the other. The next thing I do, because it really helps with creation of an idea, is to go through the layer modes and see if any combination sparks an idea within me. I got my best ideas in the given example with the following Mode Combos: Difference (always dramatic), Subtract, Grain Extract, Grain Merge. I chose Difference because the result reminded me of a dramatic woodcut. I flattened it, saved it as a 3rd file on the desktop and then proceeded to play with other tools in Gimp till I got something I liked. BTW, with my method, it always does open to the same file folder (in this case desktop) because I'm creating new files from previous files. I get rid of all the inbetween versions (typically) when I finally have something I like. Every once in awhile I'll end up with a alternate version or two which I also like but it is pure dumb luck. And I sometimes end up with total mud and trash everything. the most usual scenario in ending up with mud is that i've gone too far. by contrast, i almost always get good results if i don't overdo it on the technique end. (this is true in every media of art, not just digital art) carol On 10/2/07, Greg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- carol irvin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i opened gimp and just used the default black brush and made a bunch of black squiggles on a white canvas. then i altered that version with a filter. and, drum roll please, made them into two layers! I did this in 2.2.17 and I didn't get another layewr. Was the layer created automatically? Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from someone who knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=listsid=396545469 ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user -- carol ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
[Gimp-user] carol's art work over on YouTube, Picasa web albums Cafe Press
Most of this art work was done on Photoshop and my aim is to be able to do it on the Gimp. I'm already doing some of it on the Gimp but it is a transition when you've been doing things one way for a long time. Here are my links to see the work. I don't see any reason why I shouldn't be able to do this completely in Gimp if I set my mind to it. I don't collaborate with any other artists so it doesn't matter what I use. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ov0PEa_bI0c http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=brGVyfG_TWk (my user name on youtube is carolirvin to see other work) central page for my videos: http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=carolirvin http://picasaweb.google.com/carolkirvin (tech educational stuff of mine is on top and art work follow it in bottom of page in albums; chemo art one is newest so right on top of page); this page ties into http://carolkirvin.googlepages.com (my husband and I used to team teach these tech courses and now he does the teaching and I do everything else. I use Google Page Maker to create that web page and I actually like Google Page Maker (also free) better than any hard drive program. it is free too. Google takes out the heavy work of doing web pages and that's fine by me. I used to do it all myself and got tired of all the work, using ftp and so forth. http://www.cafepress.com/carolirvin (art items for sale;affordable, tend to use for gifts and myself more than expecting sales,although I do have some sales over there) I tend to use aspects of my life in my art. The chemo art has come to an end since chemo-cancer seem to be over. My cancer scans are all clear. carol -- carol ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] GIMP vs Photoshop UI
Sven, I have an idea for something which might be fun to do as a group and educational as well. Each person (who wanted to participate) would take an art step phase further using GIMP until we had a completed art work. For example, let's say you'd start it using a brush. Then maybe I'd go into what you did with an eraser and make it something else. Then maybe Leon would use both versions as layers and run the two through the modes (multiple, burn, dodge, etc.,) until finding his own versionand so on down the line. each person would explain what he did in GIMP to get to his phase as well. I find learning by doing is a lot more fun and makes things flow faster too. If people are worried about ending up with mud, they needn't. I could finish off whatever we come up with so it worked (put it artistically back on track). I have found that I do not need to use the most complex techniques in order to come with good artistic results in Photoshop and I assume the same is true in Gimp. This is one thing I don't like in the Photoshop community too, i.e., the slavishness devoted to difficulty of technique or memorizing keyboard shortcuts versus exploration of a worthwhile artistic idea (which may actually be fairly easy to achieve if the idea itself is good enough). The only thing we have to figure out is where we post all the work. If you want to have everyone forward it to me, I can mount it all in an album in Picasa Web Albums as one solution. I have one technical question about this list. Do I also need to send this reply to the list or does replying to anyone send it automatically to the list? This one shows the answer going to Leon but doesn't show the list so I am adding the list as a 2nd receipient. I don't understand if simply sending it to Leon would also send it to the list. It didn't when I was on listservs on yahoo. Also, how many of you on this list are developers for GIMP? I do not personally have any affinity for working in code. I can go to the code and understand most of it on a web page when I'm building a web page. However, I don't have the slightest idea how one goes about building an actual program! carol On 9/30/07, Leon Brooks GIMP [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sunday 30 September 2007 20:06:09 Sven Neumann wrote: We are listening to our users. That's why we have this mailing- list and actually read about the problems and needs of our users. Round of applause, that sentiment. (-: Now I need to organise my own life better so I can make space to actually contribute code, rather than just words. Cheers; Leon ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user -- carol ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
[Gimp-user] carol the floating selection (now working in layers!)
ok, guys, i was wondering if i finally had this floating selection problem solved because i am pretty much dead in the water without layers and cut and paste. so i opened gimp and just used the default black brush and made a bunch of black squiggles on a white canvas. then i altered that version with a filter. and, drum roll please, made them into two layers! well, from there on it was a lot of fun as I just tried different tools and different settings until I had something that looked like a painting instead of squiggles. I have called the squiggles begin and where i ended up as end as you can see them in this album called GIMP located here: http://picasaweb.google.com/carolkirvin best way to see them is in slideshow. some of the things i used: several filters (blinds and weave were the best), shear, colorify, poster, levels, eraser, hue-saturation, layer modes (all the time, as per usual; I am constantly blending and reblending layers ). i had never tried shear before in GIMP and that really helped bring it together too. i did try some things that didn't work and that always happens as i'm playing around. i either revert or go into history, depending on how far off course i've gone. i spent about 45 minutes to an hour on it. it was fun. -- carol ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
[Gimp-user] floating selection
When I go to crop something, Gimp crops it very nicely but, unlike, PS, the image is then impossible to do anything else with as I now have a floating layer. My instinctive response was to flatten and save but flatten was greyed out. Then I discovered this anchoring layer command and that has solved a lot of problems. Anchor, then flatten, then save is pretty good. This also seems to come into play when I cut and paste. The frustrating thing there is that I seem to be able to cut, paste and move once but they flatten into one image after I do that. I suspect I need to do something every time I do a paste that converts the paste into its own layer. PS does this automatically. So far this floating selection and the vagaries of cut-past and then move have been my major pitfalls but I think this is merely because they don't work like PS does when doing these tasks. I also can't use the text tool but that is because I need to do some reading about it and, again, it works very differently from PS's use of text tool. That something works differently from PS doesn't mean it is either better or worse than PS. It is just different and that means there is a learning curve on it. I would rather there be no learning curve but realistically that is not how software programs work. -- carol ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] floating selection
i'm on a Mac and I think my version operates a little differently from what most of you are using. It seems most of you are on Windows or Linux. Here's the download situation if you are on a Mac for Gimp: http://www.gimp.org/downloads/ This may tell you what I can and cannot do. carol On 9/29/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When I go to crop something, Gimp crops it very nicely but, unlike, PS, the image is then impossible to do anything else with as I now have a floating layer. Strange! When I do a Image-Crop, it just gives me a new image. using 2.2.13 Image-Crop to Selection in 2.4rc2 Owen -- carol ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
[Gimp-user] GIMP vs Photoshop UI
-- Forwarded message -- From: carol irvin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sep 28, 2007 11:50 AM Subject: Re: [Gimp-user] GIMP vs Photoshop UI To: gimp_user [EMAIL PROTECTED] This makes total sense to me. If you work for ad agencies, for example, everyone will want to be using the same set of tools and not converting anything. I am not with an ad agency so it doesn't affect me. I use both Photoshop and Gimp for my own projects which no one else works on. My motivation in learning Gimp is totally financial. I am switching myself to open source programs whenever I can to save money. It is no more complex than that. I've got just about everything else covered via open source but for the image editing. I'm glad someone brought up this floating selection dilemma. I will relate my experience with it in a separate email. carol (new member) On 9/28/07, gimp_user [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thursday 27 September 2007 08:00:45 George Farris wrote: --- gimp_user [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ...[GIMP] does not have an interface that makes for an easy user transition from the industry PS standard it is not a tool that is ready for adoption by high quality image makers. FUD your conclusion is only valid for yourself and not others so your statement is false. You can't speak for me and I don't agree with you so... If you can provide hard data that backs this up with numbers well that might be a different story but it would have to be global figures. Thanks I would rather you did not chop extracts from the whole of my text and thereby portray a misleading impression of a theme referencing multiple strands. The difficulty that idividuals face in switiching from one software interface to another naturally varies from individual to individual. But that is no way intended to be interpreted as the core of my contribution. My original posting was intended to draw attention to multiple layers of reality that contribute to professional decision about software choices that go well beyond costs of acquirement. Recruitment is based upon assessment of levels of experience and known skills. Someone who says Well I know Gimp but I am sure I could adapt to photoshop is going to face an uphill struggle convincing an agency that he has all the right skills. His statement would be taken as evidence of not understanding the role of an individual contributor in a complex supply chain. While the absence of a recognised skill transition route ( i.e. no skin similar to PS) is a serious obstacle affecting the ability of multiple individuals to collaborate in a supply chain comprising multiple organisations it is far from being the only reason while Gimp is not currently in a position to seriously challenge PS. By selective quoting you leave out the substance of an argument which was never intended to apply to a lone worker. So your objection that it does not apply to you, as an individual, is totally irrelevant. It also suggest to me that you have not carefully read and understood the theme. What I would like to see is gimp competing, in the industry supply chain, on at least equal terms with PS and that cannot happen overnight. It would be foolish to suggest that that could be achieved by simply having a GUI that makes for an easy transition. PS has to be considered not just as a tool for for high quality image manipulation but also as an attempt to provide an integrated solution to the requirements of a complete supply chain. The real world is far more complex than the needs and abilities of individuals and my contribution was only intend to open a crack in the door of examining the impliaction of those wider complexities. Gimp has the potential to be developed to at least equal photoshop but because it can interface with the rich world of open source solutions it could do even better. Whether it will or will not do so is a choice available to the community. I am not saying Gimp should choose to set out to do so. I am saying that while, in its present state it will continue to satisfy the needs of many individuals, such as yourself. It is also my opinion that it has the potential to fulfill the wider expectations of a collaborative industry of high quality image makers. To do that, in my opinion, it will need to make many changes if it is to satisfy the needs of a supply chain accustomed to share resources and skills (including common toolsets). It means providing tools for non-destructive editing to enable more than one individual and organisation to contribute to the creation, manipulation, selection, cataloguing, distribution and promotion of images. These requirement present a serious challenge and no easy one for an open source project to fulfill. ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp
