Re: [Gimp-user] What is really used in CMYK ?

2004-07-19 Thread David Neary
Hi,

Sven Neumann wrote:
> Dave Neary <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > So - back to the point I mentioned above - does anyone want to draw
> > up a what and how of colour correction as they would implement it
> > for 2.2?
> 
> Shouldn't we have that discussion on gimp-developer? Or at least
> include gimp-developer on it?

Yes, of course. My mistake. But then, aren't all the developers
subscribed to gimp-user too? ;-)

Cheers,
Dave.

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Re: [Gimp-user] What is really used in CMYK ?

2004-07-19 Thread Jean-Luc Coulon (f5ibh)
Le 19.07.2004 19:13:19, Carol Spears a écrit :
« On Mon, Jul 19, 2004 at 09:12:54AM +0200, cedric wrote:
« >
« > LittleCMS is very good, but is written with Qt. I guess it will
« hardly
« > be available on Windows.
« >
« iirc, lcms was written on Windows.
At least there are Debian packages for it.
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« carol
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Re: [Gimp-user] What is really used in CMYK ?

2004-07-19 Thread Carol Spears
hello,
On Mon, Jul 19, 2004 at 07:07:39PM +0200, Sven Neumann wrote:
> Dave Neary <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > So - back to the point I mentioned above - does anyone want to draw
> > up a what and how of colour correction as they would implement it
> > for 2.2?
> 
> Shouldn't we have that discussion on gimp-developer? Or at least
> include gimp-developer on it?
> 
i thought this was already and recently thoroughly discussed there.

carol

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Re: [Gimp-user] What is really used in CMYK ?

2004-07-19 Thread Carol Spears
On Mon, Jul 19, 2004 at 09:12:54AM +0200, cedric wrote:
> 
> LittleCMS is very good, but is written with Qt. I guess it will hardly 
> be available on Windows.
> 
iirc, lcms was written on Windows.

carol

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Re: [Gimp-user] What is really used in CMYK ?

2004-07-19 Thread Sven Neumann
Hi,

Dave Neary <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> So - back to the point I mentioned above - does anyone want to draw
> up a what and how of colour correction as they would implement it
> for 2.2?

Shouldn't we have that discussion on gimp-developer? Or at least
include gimp-developer on it?


Sven
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Re: [Gimp-user] What is really used in CMYK ?

2004-07-19 Thread Dave Neary

Salut cedric,

Quoting cedric <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> I've just read a SVEN note (on gimp-dev) about Color Management Gimp
> support. Many things about DTP options (color separation, soft-proof,
> embed profile) which are very interesting but not many about CMYK native
> support (i.e. four channels).

As Sven said himself, CMYK native support is not planned immediately.
Since the GIMP Conference, we now have a pretty good idea of how and
when it will be available, though.

> LittleCMS is very good, but is written with Qt. I guess it will hardly
> be available on Windows.

LittleCMS does not require QT. It may have a QT-based front-end
available, though. But there is a core library which "just" does
colour correction, with no GUI elmements at all.

> Actually, all this is not very clear : diplay filter there, channels
> there, and separate this way, who would it be 'packaged' ?

It seems like right now, there have been no formal proposals for something which
will be done before 2.2 (no-one has yet said "I will do it, and here's how").
But there are a number of uncontested points.
1) Colour correction will be optional, if it is available at all.
2) Before any image data is changed by the application of a colour profile, the
user will be prompted, informing him of a possibly destructive operation
3) Monitor profiles will be applied to the projection data, and thus will not
change any image data.

The packaging would be as trivial as depending on littleCMS, and having a
preference (or perhaps a number of preferences) for turning on/off colour
correction.

So - back to the point I mentioned above - does anyone want to draw up a what
and how of colour correction as they would implement it for 2.2?

Cheers,
Dave.

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Re: [Gimp-user] What is really used in CMYK ?

2004-07-19 Thread Sven Neumann
Hi,

cedric <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> I've just read a SVEN note (on gimp-dev) about Color Management Gimp
> support. Many things about DTP options (color separation, soft-proof,
> embed profile) which are very interesting but not many about CMYK
> native support (i.e. four channels).

The thread you read was about changes that we could do for GIMP 2.2.
We are not going to add support for CMYK image data in the near
future so that's why it wasn't mentioned.
 
> If soft-proof is intended to be supported, it would be great to work
> on the color selector dialog.

The fact that at least monitor color correction needs to be applied to
previews and color selections has been mentioned already.

> LittleCMS is very good, but is written with Qt. I guess it will hardly
> be available on Windows.

Huh? lcms doesn't use Qt, what are you talking?

> Actually, all this is not very clear : diplay filter there, channels
> there, and separate this way, who would it be 'packaged' ?
> 
> Does anyone has an opinion on all this ?

Well, if I would have understood your mail, I would probably have an
opinion. But I am not sure if I've been able to follow you. I failed
to understand what you are actually trying to tell us (except that you
are confused).


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[Gimp-user] What is really used in CMYK ?

2004-07-19 Thread cedric
I've just read a SVEN note (on gimp-dev) about Color Management Gimp 
support. Many things about DTP options (color separation, soft-proof, 
embed profile) which are very interesting but not many about CMYK native 
support (i.e. four channels).

Does anybody have special use of this mode ? Personally, I often use to 
work on contrast because it has a separate black channel. We can work 
separately on Luminosity and colors (such as in Lab mode). (For example 
look at that : http://www.le-radar.com/mm/gimp/images/Nchannel.png)

If soft-proof is intended to be supported, it would be great to work on 
the color selector dialog. In fact, it could display a signal when a 
selected color is not available in other modes (it could also be done 
for websafe colors), and eventually give direct access to the nearer 
equivalent.

LittleCMS is very good, but is written with Qt. I guess it will hardly 
be available on Windows.

Actually, all this is not very clear : diplay filter there, channels 
there, and separate this way, who would it be 'packaged' ?

Does anyone has an opinion on all this ?
Cedric
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