Re: [Gimp-user] a gimp file-selector
Hi, Carol Spears <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Fri, Jun 18, 2004 at 01:29:54AM +0200, Sven Neumann wrote: > > > >We only used to poke more in the gtk+ file-selector internals > > than we do now with the file-chooser widget. > > > which made the gimp-1.2 file selector unique among gtk apps (back then)? Do you think so? I wouldn't call it unique, I'd call it slightly different. The actual file-selection wasn't changed at all. We only tweaked some spacings and added a preview (and a lot of other apps did that as well). Sven ___ Gimp-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] a gimp file-selector
On Fri, Jun 18, 2004 at 01:29:54AM +0200, Sven Neumann wrote: > >We only used to poke more in the gtk+ file-selector internals > than we do now with the file-chooser widget. > which made the gimp-1.2 file selector unique among gtk apps (back then)? carol ___ Gimp-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] a gimp file-selector
Hi, Carol Spears <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > earlier on in this thread, i was rambling on about gimp-1.2 which had a > file selector that was unique to the gimp. Sorry, but this is just plain wrong. GIMP never had a file selector that was unique to the gimp (well, except when gtk+ was only used by gimp). We only used to poke more in the gtk+ file-selector internals than we do now with the file-chooser widget. Sven ___ Gimp-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] a gimp file-selector
On Thu, Jun 17, 2004 at 10:19:22AM +0200, Sven Neumann wrote: > Hi, > > Alan Horkan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > >> use the possibility to extend it rather than going for something > > >> completely different. The Ctrl+L entry needs some love indeed, but > > > > it makes sense to extend the generic gtk file chooser so that it has > > a preview pane that other developers can use rather than having it > > as a GIMP only feature. > > It isn't a GIMP only feature, what are you talking? The preview is > part of the standard GtkFileChooser. Alan, please, make yourself > comfortable with the GTK+ APIs or just stop making such remarks. > earlier on in this thread, i was rambling on about gimp-1.2 which had a file selector that was unique to the gimp. i suggested that this might be a good approach to take. alan was suggesting that this was a selfish approach to take. if i remember this thread properly. carol ___ Gimp-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] a gimp file-selector
Hi, Alan Horkan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > >> use the possibility to extend it rather than going for something > >> completely different. The Ctrl+L entry needs some love indeed, but > > it makes sense to extend the generic gtk file chooser so that it has > a preview pane that other developers can use rather than having it > as a GIMP only feature. It isn't a GIMP only feature, what are you talking? The preview is part of the standard GtkFileChooser. Alan, please, make yourself comfortable with the GTK+ APIs or just stop making such remarks. Sven ___ Gimp-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] a gimp file-selector
Sorry for the late reply On Tue, 15 Jun 2004, Sven Neumann wrote: > Date: 15 Jun 2004 11:02:39 +0200 > From: Sven Neumann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: Alan Horkan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Cc: GIMPUser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [Gimp-user] a gimp file-selector > > Hi, > > Alan Horkan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > > completely different. The Ctrl+L entry needs some love indeed, but > > > especially the save dialog is very dandy. > > > > I think this would be very wise. > > Mind if I ask what "this" is which is supposed to be very wise? The > save dialog being very dandy? this refferred to Jimmacs suggestion >> use the possibility to extend it rather than going for something >> completely different. The Ctrl+L entry needs some love indeed, but it makes sense to extend the generic gtk file chooser so that it has a preview pane that other developers can use rather than having it as a GIMP only feature. - Alan ___ Gimp-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] a gimp file-selector
Hi, Alan Horkan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > completely different. The Ctrl+L entry needs some love indeed, but > > especially the save dialog is very dandy. > > I think this would be very wise. Mind if I ask what "this" is which is supposed to be very wise? The save dialog being very dandy? > There are many applications besides the GIMP that want/need a > thumbnail preview in their filechooser, so if the gtk developers > knew what was required there could be extended version of the > standard file selector that could benifit more than just the GIMP. Would you mind to explain why you are talking about thumbnail previews now? Did I miss something? Sven ___ Gimp-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] a gimp file-selector
On Mon, 14 Jun 2004, Jakub Steiner wrote: > Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2004 20:18:03 +0200 > From: Jakub Steiner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: Carol Spears <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Cc: GIMPUser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [Gimp-user] a gimp file-selector > > On Mon, 2004-06-14 at 09:55 -0700, Carol Spears wrote: > > > i have a feeling that someone like jimmac and/or tigert could design a > > file selector that would be more for the gimps needs and not a generic > > answer everyones needs (not gimps) widget and at least one of the gimp > > developers could easily put one together. > > I would rather address some of the issues with the new fileselector and > use the possibility to extend it rather than going for something > completely different. The Ctrl+L entry needs some love indeed, but > especially the save dialog is very dandy. I think this would be very wise. There is an outstanding bug report requesting a way to have the location bar always be shown (i posted a link in an ealier thread on the developer list). There are many applications besides the GIMP that want/need a thumbnail preview in their filechooser, so if the gtk developers knew what was required there could be extended version of the standard file selector that could benifit more than just the GIMP. - Alan. ___ Gimp-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] a gimp file-selector
> the buttons that are there on my gimp-2.0 file-selector are just space > wasters. i dont have or use a "Desktop" directory (or folder, whatever) > nor do i have or use a "Documents" directory (or folder, again, > whatever). > Documents, Desktop and Home was there in gimp 2.0 too. The improvement what is already there, that you can add a specific directory at the left list. > > while the "/" between the buttons look sort of silly, For me the "/" between the buttons just *clarify* what are this huge amount of button. Is it a path. At the moment (gimp 2.1.0) the buttons are organized horizontalement too, but at the first look I didnt recognize that its a path, I thinked that there are just another option buttons. So I think, if the path button would be rest horizontal arrangement(and not drop-down menu), that it must separate with a / for clarify that its a *path*. Maybe it is a waste of space, it can developed (i think), but it must be there. Cheers, Khiraly ___ Gimp-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] a gimp file-selector
hello there, On Mon, Jun 14, 2004 at 11:13:57PM +0200, Khiraly wrote: > > Maybe I would post at the gtk mailing list, but first Im curious for > your opinions. I have made a file open dialog improvement in the new one > (as mockup). > > The main improvements are: > 1. a horizontal layout for the path (the one divided by / signs) on the > top (new : / sign; always starts from root) > 2. folder names are bold > 3. input field, where TAB completion works of course, as in the previous > version. Above that path could be repeated as simple text. > 4. name of the selected file appears in the input field (as in the > earlier version) > > Mockup: > http://www.pvvbitech.hu/fotok/openDialog/openDialog.png > i looked at this. it seems to me that the horizontal layout for the path you suggested is already set up by gtk to be used vertically in that area on the left. gtk-tree-view or something like this. the buttons that are there on my gimp-2.0 file-selector are just space wasters. i dont have or use a "Desktop" directory (or folder, whatever) nor do i have or use a "Documents" directory (or folder, again, whatever). widgets should not assume things with valuable space. while the "/" between the buttons look sort of silly, the thumbnail of the image is quite lovely. carol ___ Gimp-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] a gimp file-selector
On Tue, Jun 15, 2004 at 05:55:20AM +1000, Owen wrote: > On Mon, 14 Jun 2004 11:31:02 -0700 > Carol Spears <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > this is a more than fair request, except for the fact that it is > > impossible for someone who is using gimp-2.0 to easily use gimp-2.1. > > It what way is it impossible? I have both running at the same time with different > themes for easy identification. > there are issues with the plug-ins and a clash of names, iirc. carol ___ Gimp-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] a gimp file-selector
2004-06-14, h keltezéssel 20:18-kor Jakub Steiner ezt írta: > On Mon, 2004-06-14 at 09:55 -0700, Carol Spears wrote: > > i have a feeling that someone like jimmac and/or tigert could design a > > file selector that would be more for the gimps needs and not a generic > > answer everyones needs (not gimps) widget and at least one of the gimp > > developers could easily put one together. Hi, Maybe I would post at the gtk mailing list, but first Im curious for your opinions. I have made a file open dialog improvement in the new one (as mockup). The main improvements are: 1. a horizontal layout for the path (the one divided by / signs) on the top (new : / sign; always starts from root) 2. folder names are bold 3. input field, where TAB completion works of course, as in the previous version. Above that path could be repeated as simple text. 4. name of the selected file appears in the input field (as in the earlier version) Mockup: http://www.pvvbitech.hu/fotok/openDialog/openDialog.png If anybody will improve, here is the xcf file: http://www.pvvbitech.hu/fotok/openDialog/openDialog.xcf All feedback, opinion are most welcome! Cheers, Khiraly ___ Gimp-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] a gimp file-selector
On Mon, 14 Jun 2004 11:31:02 -0700 Carol Spears <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > this is a more than fair request, except for the fact that it is > impossible for someone who is using gimp-2.0 to easily use gimp-2.1. It what way is it impossible? I have both running at the same time with different themes for easy identification. -- Owen ___ Gimp-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] a gimp file-selector
hello On Mon, Jun 14, 2004 at 08:07:18PM +0200, Sven Neumann wrote: > Hi, > Carol Spears <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > removing the text entry location is a silly way to solve the tab > > completion problem, if this is what happened. > > I'd prefer if everyone who wants to contribute to this discussion > tries the new file selector first. A guess on how a new widget might > work is not a good basis for a productive discussion. > this is a more than fair request, except for the fact that it is impossible for someone who is using gimp-2.0 to easily use gimp-2.1. the very least i can do is to look at the screenshot carol ___ Gimp-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] a gimp file-selector
On Mon, Jun 14, 2004 at 08:18:03PM +0200, Jakub Steiner wrote: > On Mon, 2004-06-14 at 09:55 -0700, Carol Spears wrote: > > > i have a feeling that someone like jimmac and/or tigert could design a > > file selector that would be more for the gimps needs and not a generic > > answer everyones needs (not gimps) widget and at least one of the gimp > > developers could easily put one together. > > I would rather address some of the issues with the new fileselector and > use the possibility to extend it rather than going for something > completely different. The Ctrl+L entry needs some love indeed, but > especially the save dialog is very dandy. > now i am thinking this is a job for timecop. does anyone know if bubblemon has been ported to gtk2 yet? carol ___ Gimp-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] a gimp file-selector
On Mon, 2004-06-14 at 09:55 -0700, Carol Spears wrote: i have a feeling that someone like jimmac and/or tigert could design a file selector that would be more for the gimps needs and not a generic answer everyones needs (not gimps) widget and at least one of the gimp developers could easily put one together. I would rather address some of the issues with the new fileselector and use the possibility to extend it rather than going for something completely different. The Ctrl+L entry needs some love indeed, but especially the save dialog is very dandy. cheers -- Jakub Steiner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Re: [Gimp-user] a gimp file-selector
Hi, Carol Spears <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > removing the text entry location is a silly way to solve the tab > completion problem, if this is what happened. I'd prefer if everyone who wants to contribute to this discussion tries the new file selector first. A guess on how a new widget might work is not a good basis for a productive discussion. The new file chooser is definitely an improvement but I'd like to see the location entry being integrated into the dialog instead of keeping it in an extra dialog. At the very least it should be better documented how to get to the text entry field. Another issue that can be solved by improving the docs is what needs to be done so that the filechooser uses icons. See this mail: http://mail.gnome.org/archives/gtk-devel-list/2004-May/msg00010.html Sven ___ Gimp-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
[Gimp-user] a gimp file-selector
for a very long time, the gimp had a file selector that was better than any other gtk app available to me. someone bragged about how the gimp developers had designed it from gtk things. i have a feeling that someone like jimmac and/or tigert could design a file selector that would be more for the gimps needs and not a generic answer everyones needs (not gimps) widget and at least one of the gimp developers could easily put one together. removing the text entry location is a silly way to solve the tab completion problem, if this is what happened. maybe some users have a better way of stating these questions, suggestions and concerns before i attempt it on the developer list again. thanks, carol ___ Gimp-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
