Re: [Gimp-user] About bad new save export function in Gimp-2.8
On 09/12/2012 01:52 AM, Ofnuts wrote: On 09/11/2012 08:38 AM, maderios wrote: Hi I'm not developper but I think it is certainly possible to give the choice in the configuration. Yes, but it's a bad idea. Having all the people using more or less the same Gimp is beneficial. The same tutorials work everywhere, and the people answering questions in forums don't have to makes guesses about what customizations your Gimp has been subjected to (the current situation with users split between 2.6 and 2.8 already makes many answers a lot more verbose than necessary). And developers tend to make changes around the standard version, so your personal config can eventually conflict with a future version. Hi May be but you have already the choice with window-single mode or not. Then you open edit - preferences and here, incredible thing, you can discover about thousand settings ! I joke, you know that. The same tutorials work everywhere, yes. I can imagine a future preferences box (Gimp-3.0 ?) with new settings: Image saving - standard mode Image saving - .xcf mode Greetings -- Maderios ___ gimp-user-list mailing list gimp-user-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
Re: [Gimp-user] About bad new save export function in Gimp-2.8
maderios (mader...@gmail.com) wrote: May be but you have already the choice with window-single mode or not. Then you open edit - preferences and here, incredible thing, you can discover about thousand settings ! I joke, you know that. True, we know that we have way too many configuration settings. Unfortunately adding to these doesn't help with this problem. Bye, Simon -- si...@budig.de http://simon.budig.de/ ___ gimp-user-list mailing list gimp-user-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
Re: [Gimp-user] About bad new save export function in Gimp-2.8
On Tuesday 11 September 2012 07:23:34 Patrick Shanahan wrote: * maderios mader...@gmail.com [09-11-12 06:15]: ... It's really very simple: Photoshop / Saving images Save a file Use the Save command to save changes to the current file or the Save As command to save changes to a different file. http://help.adobe.com/en_US/photoshop/cs/using/WSfd1234e1c4b69f30ea53e4100 1031ab64-7783a.html Set file saving preferences http://help.adobe.com/en_US/photoshop/cs/using/WSfd1234e1c4b69f30ea53e4100 1031ab64-7783a.html#WSfd1234e1c4b69f30ea53e41001031ab64-7720a You are absolutely correct. It is even more simple than you espouse: *You* are free to use fotoshot and pay the piper. And you will never notice another problem with gimp, and we will not have to continually delete your posts. -- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA HOG # US1244711 http://wahoo.no-ip.orgPhoto Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 http://en.opensuse.org openSUSE Community Member Registered Linux User #207535@ http://linuxcounter.net ditto. -- Fortune cookie for Wednesday, September 12, 2012: Benson, you are so free of the ravages of intelligence -- Time Bandits ___ gimp-user-list mailing list gimp-user-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
Re: [Gimp-user] About bad new save export function in Gimp-2.8
On 09/12/2012 10:16 AM, Simon Budig wrote: maderios (mader...@gmail.com) wrote: May be but you have already the choice with window-single mode or not. Then you open edit - preferences and here, incredible thing, you can discover about thousand settings ! I joke, you know that. True, we know that we have way too many configuration settings. Unfortunately adding to these doesn't help with this problem. I don't understand. What's the problem ? You can keep a default conf or change a few things, or change many things... We have to stay free. A good softw model is VLC : tools - preferences - show settings - simple tools - preferences - show settings - all Greetings -- Maderios ___ gimp-user-list mailing list gimp-user-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
Re: [Gimp-user] About bad new save export function in Gimp-2.8
maderios, please, please just accept that it will not happen. This has been discussed at great length, and it will not change. On 12/09/2012 10:55, maderios wrote: On 09/12/2012 10:16 AM, Simon Budig wrote: maderios (mader...@gmail.com) wrote: May be but you have already the choice with window-single mode or not. Then you open edit - preferences and here, incredible thing, you can discover about thousand settings ! I joke, you know that. True, we know that we have way too many configuration settings. Unfortunately adding to these doesn't help with this problem. I don't understand. What's the problem ? You can keep a default conf or change a few things, or change many things... We have to stay free. A good softw model is VLC : tools - preferences - show settings - simple tools - preferences - show settings - all Greetings ___ gimp-user-list mailing list gimp-user-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
Re: [Gimp-user] About bad new save export function in Gimp-2.8
maderios (mader...@gmail.com) wrote: True, we know that we have way too many configuration settings. Unfortunately adding to these doesn't help with this problem. I don't understand. What's the problem ? You can keep a default conf or change a few things, or change many things... This is a two-fold problem: On one hand more options makes it harder for the user to get a deterministic behaviour (since behaviour depends on more-or-less-obscure options). On the other hand more options increase code complexity. They make code harder to understand and to maintain. And yes, we fought single-window-mode for a long time. In the end we followed our interaction architect: He deemed it important and created a spec for it and he wanted it to be configurable. (Note that SWM also is not a hidden option in the preferences, it has its own menu entry, it is exposed quite prominently). Bye, Simon -- si...@budig.de http://simon.budig.de/ ___ gimp-user-list mailing list gimp-user-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
Re: [Gimp-user] About bad new save export function in Gimp-2.8
On Sep 12, 2012 5:56 PM, maderios mader...@gmail.com wrote: On 09/12/2012 10:16 AM, Simon Budig wrote: maderios (mader...@gmail.com) wrote: May be but you have already the choice with window-single mode or not. Then you open edit - preferences and here, incredible thing, you can discover about thousand settings ! I joke, you know that. True, we know that we have way too many configuration settings. Unfortunately adding to these doesn't help with this problem. I don't understand. What's the problem ? You can keep a default conf or change a few things, or change many things... We have to stay free. A good softw model is VLC : tools - preferences - show settings - simple tools - preferences - show settings - all Greetings -- Maderios Why use we when you're not the one who does any of the work. Fork gimp, or pay someone a salary to, then you can use we in this context, otherwise you're just a troll. Last I checked gimp is open source, you have full access to the code, but that doesn't mean the devs work to your instruction. ___ gimp-user-list mailing list gimp-user-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
Re: [Gimp-user] About bad new save export function in Gimp-2.8
On 09/10/2012 07:09 PM, Simon Budig wrote: Ken Warner (kwarner...@verizon.net) wrote: And your insistence that your design decisions are right even while the user community tells you otherwise is strictly amateur. See, here you're disregarding my assertion that we got a lot of positive feedback, Alexandre even pointed to a small part of it for e.g. you to read up on it. The picture just is not as clear-cut as you seem to believe. We had a workflow in Gimp that actually caused people to lose their work. We fixed it. There is no way we're going to reintroduce it, Hi I'm not developper but I think it is certainly possible to give the choice in the configuration. just due to some people reacting negatively to the change, This is not the subject. I like changes, I hate habits, they are unproductive. while simultaneously questioning our common sense. Regards -- Maderios ___ gimp-user-list mailing list gimp-user-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
Re: [Gimp-user] About bad new save export function in Gimp-2.8
On 09/10/2012 11:30 PM, Daniel Hauck wrote: I too have ranted about this topic. Not to get into it again, I would like to point out a couple of things: 1. This change doesn't remove functionality. It only moves it. The problem is that gimp arbitrarily separates the types of files: .xcf and others. This does not happen like this in the work. We work indifferently on all file types. 2. This is not a show-stopper in any sense of the word. and sorta 3. Someone has created some sort of script which restores the original behavior. I have not tried it and I probably won't. No, it doesnt restores the original behavior it's different Regards -- Maderios ___ gimp-user-list mailing list gimp-user-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
Re: [Gimp-user] About bad new save export function in Gimp-2.8
On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 10:52 AM, maderios wrote: 1. This change doesn't remove functionality. It only moves it. The problem is that gimp arbitrarily separates the types of files Not arbitrarily, but on purpose and by design. May I ask why you keep making incorrect statements for which you apologize later anyway? Alexandre Prokoudine http://libregraphicsworld.org ___ gimp-user-list mailing list gimp-user-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
Re: [Gimp-user] About bad new save export function in Gimp-2.8
On 09/11/2012 09:01 AM, Alexandre Prokoudine wrote: May I ask why you keep making incorrect statements for which you apologize later anyway? Hi Reread what I wrote above. Do not distort what I meant. Thanks... Greetings -- Maderios ___ gimp-user-list mailing list gimp-user-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
Re: [Gimp-user] About bad new save export function in Gimp-2.8
On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 11:11 AM, maderios wrote: Reread what I wrote above. Do not distort what I meant. Thanks... Perhaps you don't understand the meaning of the word arbitrary? http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/arbitrary The distinction isn't arbitrary. It's a design decision. Alexandre Prokoudine http://libregraphicsworld.org ___ gimp-user-list mailing list gimp-user-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
Re: [Gimp-user] About bad new save export function in Gimp-2.8
On 09/11/2012 09:29 AM, Alexandre Prokoudine wrote: On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 11:11 AM, maderios wrote: Reread what I wrote above. Do not distort what I meant. Thanks... Perhaps you don't understand the meaning of the word arbitrary? http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/arbitrary arbitrary = depending on individual discretion It's the case... Developers know their job developers. They do not listen to what happens on the side of people who work with images. They stay with their own arbitrary ideas. This vertical organization is a general problem in the world. Greetings -- Maderios ___ gimp-user-list mailing list gimp-user-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
Re: [Gimp-user] About bad new save export function in Gimp-2.8
maderios schreef op di 11-09-2012 om 08:52 [+0200]: 1. This change doesn't remove functionality. It only moves it. The problem is that gimp arbitrarily separates the types of files: .xcf and others. This does not happen like this in the work. We work indifferently on all file types. Maybe _you_ do, but I (and at least some other users) make a clear distinction between XCF, which stores the image and my manipulations on it (layers, masks, selections), making it possible to change some operations afterwards (if for example some details are lost in a certain printing process or if I just change my mind about how the image has to look in a series or ...) and standard image formats (which only store the results of these operations). This behaviour is exactly the same as your wordprocessor refusing to save to PDF. PDF (like standard image types) is absolutely perfect for distribution, but I suppose you too don't save longer texts to PDF while working on them? I agree that for some small documents that I just want to archive, I remove the original word processor file afterwards, and I do that for some XCF files too. It's a little overhead for small changes to an image, but a real improvement for the images you are really working on. I know that in previous versions it was possible to use the Save a copy function (which I used), but the new behaviour makes it impossible to make a mistake while saving (making you lose all operations without warning you). So from now on, I can concentrate on the image, without worrying about saving the right way. If you are really really annoyed by this behaviour, use 2.6, start a fork, ask/pay someone to start a fork for you, use another image editor, ..., but please stop spamming this otherwise very useful mailing list. Everybody knows you and some other users don't like it, everybody knows some users (including me) do like it and the developers clearly explained the research and the reasons for this decision. Best regards, Maarten ___ gimp-user-list mailing list gimp-user-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
Re: [Gimp-user] About bad new save export function in Gimp-2.8
On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 1:45 PM, Maarten De Munck wrote: If you are really really annoyed by this behaviour, use 2.6, start a fork, ask/pay someone to start a fork for you, use another image editor, ..., No need to. There already is a fork. https://github.com/mskala/noxcf-gimp Alexandre Prokoudine http://libregraphicsworld.org ___ gimp-user-list mailing list gimp-user-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
Re: [Gimp-user] About bad new save export function in Gimp-2.8
On 09/11/2012 11:45 AM, Maarten De Munck wrote: maderios schreef op di 11-09-2012 om 08:52 [+0200]: 1. This change doesn't remove functionality. It only moves it. The problem is that gimp arbitrarily separates the types of files: .xcf and others. This does not happen like this in the work. We work indifferently on all file types. Maybe _you_ do, but I (and at least some other users) make a clear distinction between XCF, which stores the image and my manipulations on it (layers, masks, selections), making it possible to change some operations afterwards (if for example some details are lost in a certain printing process or if I just change my mind about how the image has to look in a series or ...) and standard image formats (which only store the results of these operations). It's really very simple: Photoshop / Saving images Save a file Use the Save command to save changes to the current file or the Save As command to save changes to a different file. http://help.adobe.com/en_US/photoshop/cs/using/WSfd1234e1c4b69f30ea53e41001031ab64-7783a.html Set file saving preferences http://help.adobe.com/en_US/photoshop/cs/using/WSfd1234e1c4b69f30ea53e41001031ab64-7783a.html#WSfd1234e1c4b69f30ea53e41001031ab64-7720a Greetings -- Maderios ___ gimp-user-list mailing list gimp-user-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
Re: [Gimp-user] About bad new save export function in Gimp-2.8
On 09/11/2012 05:05 AM, Daniel Hauck wrote: On 09/11/2012 04:25 AM, Steve Kinney wrote: My word processor responds to control-s by saving the open document in its own native format, which does not happen to be suitable for distribution to end users. [etc] Which word processor might that be? Open Office saves to ODT. If you keep editing and re-saving documents in an undocumented format with Libre Office, eventually you will encounter a very annoying problem due to progressive corruption of the internal markup code. Inkscape does not do this. Inkscape saves in SVG format. Lots of luck getting that to display in software that expects raster image files. I'm no troll. I see both sides of the issue. But don't put out stuff that isn't true. So please, which word processor(s) are you talking about? Which vector editor are you talking about? No comment, other than own petard, etc. /trollfeeding :o) ___ gimp-user-list mailing list gimp-user-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
Re: [Gimp-user] About bad new save export function in Gimp-2.8
On 09/11/2012 11:49 AM, Alexandre Prokoudine wrote: On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 1:45 PM, Maarten De Munck wrote: If you are really really annoyed by this behaviour, use 2.6, start a fork, ask/pay someone to start a fork for you, use another image editor, ..., No need to. There already is a fork. https://github.com/mskala/noxcf-gimp Author's blog In few words: mainline GIMP is an XCF editor, not an image editor. My version is an image editor. http://ansuz.sooke.bc.ca/entry/242 Greetings -- Maderios ___ gimp-user-list mailing list gimp-user-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
Re: [Gimp-user] About bad new save export function in Gimp-2.8
* maderios mader...@gmail.com [09-11-12 06:15]: ... It's really very simple: Photoshop / Saving images Save a file Use the Save command to save changes to the current file or the Save As command to save changes to a different file. http://help.adobe.com/en_US/photoshop/cs/using/WSfd1234e1c4b69f30ea53e41001031ab64-7783a.html Set file saving preferences http://help.adobe.com/en_US/photoshop/cs/using/WSfd1234e1c4b69f30ea53e41001031ab64-7783a.html#WSfd1234e1c4b69f30ea53e41001031ab64-7720a You are absolutely correct. It is even more simple than you espouse: *You* are free to use fotoshot and pay the piper. And you will never notice another problem with gimp, and we will not have to continually delete your posts. -- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA HOG # US1244711 http://wahoo.no-ip.orgPhoto Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 http://en.opensuse.org openSUSE Community Member Registered Linux User #207535@ http://linuxcounter.net ___ gimp-user-list mailing list gimp-user-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
Re: [Gimp-user] About bad new save export function in Gimp-2.8
That's good news! I wish that effort all success. On 9/11/2012 2:49 AM, Alexandre Prokoudine wrote: On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 1:45 PM, Maarten De Munck wrote: If you are really really annoyed by this behaviour, use 2.6, start a fork, ask/pay someone to start a fork for you, use another image editor, ..., No need to. There already is a fork. https://github.com/mskala/noxcf-gimp Alexandre Prokoudine http://libregraphicsworld.org ___ gimp-user-list mailing list gimp-user-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list ___ gimp-user-list mailing list gimp-user-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
Re: [Gimp-user] About bad new save export function in Gimp-2.8
On 09/11/2012 08:38 AM, maderios wrote: Hi I'm not developper but I think it is certainly possible to give the choice in the configuration. Yes, but it's a bad idea. Having all the people using more or less the same Gimp is beneficial. The same tutorials work everywhere, and the people answering questions in forums don't have to makes guesses about what customizations your Gimp has been subjected to (the current situation with users split between 2.6 and 2.8 already makes many answers a lot more verbose than necessary). And developers tend to make changes around the standard version, so your personal config can eventually conflict with a future version. ___ gimp-user-list mailing list gimp-user-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
Re: [Gimp-user] About bad new save export function in Gimp-2.8
The obvious design that satisfies both groups has been offered several times and has been derided as --- I don't know why, although numerous attempts to justify the current design has been proffered. On 9/11/2012 4:52 PM, Ofnuts wrote: On 09/11/2012 08:38 AM, maderios wrote: Hi I'm not developper but I think it is certainly possible to give the choice in the configuration. Yes, but it's a bad idea. Having all the people using more or less the same Gimp is beneficial. The same tutorials work everywhere, and the people answering questions in forums don't have to makes guesses about what customizations your Gimp has been subjected to (the current situation with users split between 2.6 and 2.8 already makes many answers a lot more verbose than necessary). And developers tend to make changes around the standard version, so your personal config can eventually conflict with a future version. ___ gimp-user-list mailing list gimp-user-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list ___ gimp-user-list mailing list gimp-user-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
Re: [Gimp-user] About bad new save export function in Gimp-2.8
Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2012 18:50:54 -0700 From: kwarner...@verizon.net To: ofn...@laposte.net CC: gimp-user-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [Gimp-user] About bad new save export function in Gimp-2.8 The obvious design that satisfies both groups has been offered several times and has been derided as --- I don't know why, although numerous attempts to justify the current design has been proffered. You mean the make it a user preference one? To me, the simplest compromise is to simply tweak the existing dialog message from an I'm sorry, Dave, I'm afraid I can't do that message to an OK/Cancel prompt, to which the only dev response was to label it fudging. Yes, it sort of is, but that's what compromise is about, right? But perhaps a better thing to remember is that when the devs refer to safe and unsafe workflows, I think these are meant to be terms with precise technical meanings and NOT a value judgement on whether the person is using GIMP correctly. -- Stratadrake strata_ran...@hotmail.com Numbers may not lie, but neither do they tell the whole truth. ___ gimp-user-list mailing list gimp-user-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
[Gimp-user] About bad new save export function in Gimp-2.8
Hi State of mind ... I am willing to change things if it is an improvement but if the change causes a regression, I do not see the point unless I was masochistic. For people to understand: I spent a lot of time experimenting on my Linux system new programs, new functions, with bugs. It was for a noble cause, to move forward, to try to advance. To return to Gimp, new features save and export interfere with work and must return to standard Gimp-2.6 and all other publishers. Developers gentlemen, thank you for listening to the users who actually use Gimp to work. Listen to their needs. Practice, there is all that counts and not the theoretical ideas completely divorced from reality. Regards -- Maderios ___ gimp-user-list mailing list gimp-user-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
Re: [Gimp-user] About bad new save export function in Gimp-2.8
maderios (mader...@gmail.com) wrote: Developers gentlemen, thank you for listening to the users who actually use Gimp to work. Listen to their needs. Practice, there is all that counts and not the theoretical ideas completely divorced from reality. We got a lot of negative feedback, unfortunately most of it was incoherent write-only-rambling, which makes it hard to listen to. If you're masochistic, go to the gimp-devel archives and read the threads on that topic. We also got a lot of positive feedback on the change. It seems we're not really completely divorced from reality with the change. For now we're sticking to the new behaviour. Sorry if you don't like that. Bye, Simon -- si...@budig.de http://simon.budig.de/ ___ gimp-user-list mailing list gimp-user-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
Re: [Gimp-user] About bad new save export function in Gimp-2.8
On 09/10/2012 06:19 PM, Simon Budig wrote: maderios (mader...@gmail.com) wrote: Developers gentlemen, thank you for listening to the users who actually use Gimp to work. Listen to their needs. Practice, there is all that counts and not the theoretical ideas completely divorced from reality. Hi We got a lot of negative feedback, unfortunately most of it was incoherent write-only-rambling, which makes it hard to listen to. If you're masochistic, go to the gimp-devel archives and read the threads on that topic. We also got a lot of positive feedback on the change. It seems we're not really completely divorced from reality with the change. For now we're sticking to the new behaviour. Sorry if you don't like that. Because you're not dealing with reality. This is the problem of amateurs who create software professional vocation. I know it's hard to admit, but it is a fact... Regards -- Maderios ___ gimp-user-list mailing list gimp-user-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
Re: [Gimp-user] About bad new save export function in Gimp-2.8
maderios (mader...@gmail.com) wrote: Because you're not dealing with reality. This is the problem of amateurs who create software professional vocation. See? This is what I was referring to. Bye, Simon -- si...@budig.de http://simon.budig.de/ ___ gimp-user-list mailing list gimp-user-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
Re: [Gimp-user] About bad new save export function in Gimp-2.8
On Mon, Sep 10, 2012 at 8:27 PM, maderios wrote: On 09/10/2012 06:19 PM, Simon Budig wrote: We got a lot of negative feedback, unfortunately most of it was incoherent write-only-rambling, which makes it hard to listen to. If you're masochistic, go to the gimp-devel archives and read the threads on that topic. We also got a lot of positive feedback on the change. It seems we're not really completely divorced from reality with the change. For now we're sticking to the new behaviour. Sorry if you don't like that. Because you're not dealing with reality. https://plus.google.com/u/0/116634837115748851709/posts/cxRFFUeYmpv Just another example of the reality we are not dealing with. You need to read beyond first two comments to understand the sarcasm. I could list more positive replies. In fact, I probably will. This is the problem of amateurs who create software professional vocation. I know it's hard to admit, but it is a fact... http://mmiworks.net/aboutus/ Yes, I do genuinely believe you are going to have a hard time to admit things ;-) Alexandre Prokoudine http://libregraphicsworld.org ___ gimp-user-list mailing list gimp-user-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
Re: [Gimp-user] About bad new save export function in Gimp-2.8
On 09/10/2012 06:32 PM, Simon Budig wrote: maderios (mader...@gmail.com) wrote: Because you're not dealing with reality. This is the problem of amateurs who create software professional vocation. See? This is what I was referring to. Historically, tools and software are improved by professionals, amateurs benefit. Doing the opposite is a mistake. Look at what happens in the image world industry. Regards -- Maderios ___ gimp-user-list mailing list gimp-user-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
Re: [Gimp-user] About bad new save export function in Gimp-2.8
Just because the English doesn't meet your standards doesn't mean the viewpoint is invalid. And maybe your refusal to see the thought in the message is the root of the discord. On 9/10/2012 9:32 AM, Simon Budig wrote: maderios (mader...@gmail.com) wrote: Because you're not dealing with reality. This is the problem of amateurs who create software professional vocation. See? This is what I was referring to. Bye, Simon ___ gimp-user-list mailing list gimp-user-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
Re: [Gimp-user] About bad new save export function in Gimp-2.8
Ken Warner (kwarner...@verizon.net) wrote: And your insistence that your design decisions are right even while the user community tells you otherwise is strictly amateur. See, here you're disregarding my assertion that we got a lot of positive feedback, Alexandre even pointed to a small part of it for e.g. you to read up on it. The picture just is not as clear-cut as you seem to believe. We had a workflow in Gimp that actually caused people to lose their work. We fixed it. There is no way we're going to reintroduce it, just due to some people reacting negatively to the change, while simultaneously questioning our common sense. Bye, Simon -- si...@budig.de http://simon.budig.de/ ___ gimp-user-list mailing list gimp-user-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
Re: [Gimp-user] About bad new save export function in Gimp-2.8
On Mon, Sep 10, 2012 at 1:03 PM, Ken Warner kwarner...@verizon.net wrote: You know, like Forest Gump says [paraphrased] Amateur is as amateur does. And your insistence that your design decisions are right even while the user community tells you otherwise is strictly amateur. And your insistence that any individual's personal opinions reflect what the community feels is also amateur. From the feedback I have read both here, in reviews and on a number of forums, it appears that the community is divided on this issue, with a range of opinion that varies from The new behavior sucks, gimp devs are all idiots, and I'll never us gimp again. to Thanks - this makes sense, supports my work-flows, and was a good direction to have taken. The vocal minority is the one that is voicing displeasure at the change (which is typical human nature) , imoo. -Rob A ___ gimp-user-list mailing list gimp-user-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
Re: [Gimp-user] About bad new save export function in Gimp-2.8
On Mon, Sep 10, 2012 at 9:08 PM, Bruno wrote: I wonder, who gave you credentials to speak in the name of the community? Bruno, We are dealing with the it stands to reason kind of logic. It isn't possible to argue against it. You can laugh at it, or you can ignore it. That's pretty much all you can really do. Alexandre Prokoudine http://libregraphicsworld.org ___ gimp-user-list mailing list gimp-user-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
Re: [Gimp-user] About bad new save export function in Gimp-2.8
On Mon, 10 Sep 2012 21:15:08 +0400, Alexandre Prokoudine wrote: On Mon, Sep 10, 2012 at 9:08 PM, Bruno wrote: I wonder, who gave you credentials to speak in the name of the community? Bruno, We are dealing with the it stands to reason kind of logic. It isn't possible to argue against it. You can laugh at it, or you can ignore it. That's pretty much all you can really do. Agreed, Alexandre. Just that trying to pass one's own judgement as a community's judgement is a really ugly thing, that needs to be denounced. ___ gimp-user-list mailing list gimp-user-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
Re: [Gimp-user] About bad new save export function in Gimp-2.8
On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 1:10 AM, Alexandre Prokoudine alexandre.prokoud...@gmail.com wrote: We just did something some people don't like. Therefore for them the rest doesn't matter and probably doesn't even exist. Hence all the talks about reaility. 'Probably doesn't even exist' is probably the quote of the year on this topic. ___ gimp-user-list mailing list gimp-user-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
