Re: [gmx-users] How many ps needs a simulation?

2006-05-11 Thread X.Periole

On Wed, 10 May 2006 19:29:26 -0700 (PDT)
 jahanshah ashkani [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Thanks,
 In fact I have a sequence with 1277 residue. It is 
stable even in 50ps. But when I continue to simulation my 
pc is restarted in 4 steps, automaticly. I should say 
that this step needs about 100 h time.


50 ps for a protein of 1277 residue is probably equivalent
to the first minute of a marathon. The system size you
chose can be considered enormous !

Anyway as M and W already said, the simulation length that
would give you a reasonable answer depends entirely on 
what

question you want to answer and the quality of the answer
you want.

From a 50ps simulation you have absolutely no answer at
all !!

Good luck
XAvier
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Re: [gmx-users] How many ps needs a simulation?

2006-05-11 Thread Mark Abraham

Dallas B. Warren wrote:

How many ps needs a simulation?



How long is a piece of string?


rofl... didn't see until now we both had the same response to this question!

Cheers,

Mark
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RE: [gmx-users] How many ps needs a simulation?

2006-05-11 Thread Dallas B. Warren
Mark,

 rofl... didn't see until now we both had the same response to 
 this question!

Yeah, spun me out a bit too when your repsonse arrived after I had sent
mine ;-)

Catch ya,

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[gmx-users] question on pulling 2 groups in afm run

2006-05-11 Thread Linchen Gong
Dear gromacs users,
I met a problem on pulling 2 groups in a afm pulling run. When mdrun 
processes input file, error messages such as unknown left-hand : group_2 
appear for group_2, afm_rate2, afm_k2, afm_dir2 and afm_init2. However, pulling 
one group is OK.
My pull.ppa is
verbose = yes
runtype = afm
group_1 = a_TER1
group_2 = a_TER2
pulldim = N N Y
afm_rate1 = 0.01
afm_rate2 = 0.01
afm_k1= 1000
afm_k2= 1000
afm_dir1  = 0 0 1
afm_dir2  = 0 0 1
afm_init1 = 13.639 3.264 4.486
afm_init2 = 14.221 3.873 2.790
The group definition in pull.ndx is
[ a_TER1 ]
   1136
[ a_TER2 ]
   2425
Could anyone tell me what's wrong here? Thanks a lot 
Best
regards


Linchen Gong

  


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Re: [gmx-users] How many ps needs a simulation?

2006-05-11 Thread Tsjerk Wassenaar
Hi Jahan,You mention your computer restarted. Now that sounds serious. Can you give more details about that? What happens in the log-file before the crash. Was it gromacs or something else that caused it? Are you running windows or *nix?
Furthermore, as mentioned before, how long the simulation should be, depends on what you want to get from it. If you try to fold your sequence, I'd guess you need at least 5-10 seconds.., and a few lifetimes of simulation if we don't get much faster computers soon. Still, if you're interested in functional processes, you're facing very long relaxation times, which I estimate could well be about 20-25 ns or more (as I've seen for a quite globular protein of my own, about half the size of yours). That means that before you get some real information you need simulation times of 40-50 ns at least. You can check the relaxation or convergence of your simulation by looking at the cosine content of the principal components (g_anaeig -h). If you're interested in local phenomena, you may be able to get away with shorter time scales.
By the way, if your protein is more or less rigid, you can cut down the computational cost by choosing a proper definition of your simulation box. If your interested you can contact me off the list for that (but keep other questions regarded to the simulations directed to the list please).
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Re: [gmx-users] Value for bonded force constant (Kb)

2006-05-11 Thread raja
Hi Gmxions,

The value Kb = 1673.6 KJ/mol nm2 working good for restraining distance
(type6, Harmonic potential) between Fe(II) and corresponding ligating
atoms N and O (of amino acids) at the end of 5000 steps of energy
minimization. That is newly introduced Kb value is able to restraint at
around 2-3 A (Which is the average value found from crystal structure)
when comparing to more than 5A in the absence of Kb value.

I am going to start MD with a hope that this success will also be there
at the end of 2ns simulation… Is there any second thought? 

With thanks!
B.Nataraj


On Wed, 10 May 2006 05:16:26 -0700, raja [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
 Hi Mr Tsjerkw,   
 Thanks for your mail. Infact I intented to attach
 the reference link but I missed it. Anyway here is the link where I
 taken
 the value of Kb. Infact the reference only talk between Fe and O atoms.
 I belive this value will be more reasonably for my purpose. I will
 update the outcome of the result of MD using this restraints after my
 work completes.
 
 In mean time here is the reference link 
 http://www.jbc.org/cgi/content/full/280/51/42188 
 
 For quick find out on the page , use this key work force constant of 
 4.0 kcal/mol/Å2 and please let me know the validity of my judgement.
 
 With Thanks !
 B.Nataraj
 
 
 
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 [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
  Hi Raja,
 
  No objections from my side. But if you could also include the
  references resulting from your literature study, that would be nice to
  have in the archive (may save somebody searching the literature to
  find some iron - ligand parameters).
 
  Cheers,
 
  Tsjerk
 
  On 5/10/06, raja [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
   Hi gmxions, Based on the litterature search , I am going to use Kb
   value of  4 Kcal/mol A2 (1673.6 KJ/mol nm2)as harmonic bonded
   force field constant(type 6) for restraining distance of Fe(II)
   ligated with atoms of 2 Nitrogen  and  1 Oxygen. If any one having
   objection please correct me ):  .
  
  
   With thanks !
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[gmx-users] angle restraints

2006-05-11 Thread Maarten Wolf
Dear users,

I have a small system with a number of small peptides. I want to
constraint the angle between the N-term to C-term vectors of different
peptides. This works well, but if I do a FEP calculation the dG/dl
becomes smaller than zero at some point. 
I expected it to be at least allways greater than zero (zero in the
limit that the restraint does not have to do anything), since a force
has to be aplied to restraint the angles. 
Can anybody explain where I am going wrong? 

Thanks
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[gmx-users] Re: question on pulling 2 groups in afm run

2006-05-11 Thread Emily Walton

Hi Linchen,

You may want to try adding the line ngroups=2 to the pull.ppa,  
right under runtype = afm. It's in the new manual (version 3.3,  
section 6.2.3). Otherwise, I believe the number of groups defaults to  
1, and that's why mdrun gets confused about finding a group_2,  
afm_rate2, etc. - it's only looking for one of each.


I don't promise that will fix your problem, since I don't do much  
with pulling on multiple groups, but it's a good bet on a place to  
start. If that doesn't fix it, post the actual error messages.


-Emily Walton


Dear gromacs users,
I met a problem on pulling 2 groups in a afm pulling run. When  
mdrun processes input file, error messages such as unknown left- 
hand : group_2 appear for group_2, afm_rate2, afm_k2, afm_dir2 and  
afm_init2. However, pulling one group is OK.

My pull.ppa is
verbose = yes
runtype = afm
group_1 = a_TER1
group_2 = a_TER2
pulldim = N N Y
afm_rate1 = 0.01
afm_rate2 = 0.01
afm_k1= 1000
afm_k2= 1000
afm_dir1  = 0 0 1
afm_dir2  = 0 0 1
afm_init1 = 13.639 3.264 4.486
afm_init2 = 14.221 3.873 2.790
The group definition in pull.ndx is
[ a_TER1 ]
   1136
[ a_TER2 ]
   2425
Could anyone tell me what's wrong here? Thanks a lot
Best
regards

   
  Linchen Gong






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Re: [gmx-users] Topology question

2006-05-11 Thread Steffen Wolf

Anthony Cruz wrote:

Hi users:
I made a small molecule topology using the PRODRG topology generation server 
but I want to use it with the  G43a1 GROMOS96 43a1 Forcefield.  How I could 
change the parameters from GROMACS to GROMOS???



thanks
Anthony
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Hi Anthony,
search for a mail by christian burisch on this topic, posted on the list 
yesterday...


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Re: [gmx-users] Ngmx

2006-05-11 Thread Mark Abraham

karamyog singh wrote:
Respected gentlemen, I have written another code for simulating atomic 
oxygen. the code is running fine. however when i view my run using ngmx, 
the entire box doesn't get filled up.It just shows one plane of atoms. I 
have a box of 27 atoms but ngmx shows only 9. Can any1 tell me why and 
the solution to this problem.



 27MY   OX   27  0.00   0.25  0.50 ; 0.000 0.000 0.000
0.5 0.5 0.5


Your box is of size 0.5x0.5x0.5, so atom 27 overlays exactly with some 
other atom at 0,0.25,0... evidently you are doing this with all of your 
atoms!


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Re: [gmx-users] Ngmx

2006-05-11 Thread Tsjerk Wassenaar
Karam,If you think you know why, please share your thoughts.. that can help us provide an answer.Still, gromacs supports all periodic boundary conditions, except for real exotic stuff like spherical (and I can think of a few others). But any crystal packing can be handled. Maybe the easiest for you is to build a single bcc unit cell, with the correct lattice vectors as the box definition. Then run genbox to copy that a certain number of times. Also read the gromacs manual to understand the definition of the box (last line of the .gro file) if you haven't done so.
TsjerkOn 5/11/06, karamyog singh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
hmm.. i know about the no. of atoms in bcc. please tell me what to do if i want more than 1 unit cell?gromacs is not supporting periodic boundary conditions for my cell and i think i know y.

On 5/11/06, Mark Abraham [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

karamyog singh wrote: Thnx Mark. I stil have a doubt. If want to simulate a crystal structure,then how should i go about it? wht changes should be made in the above file? even if i replace the 27th atom with 
0.5 0.25 0.5, then too it will overlay some other atom.0.5 == 0 if the size is 0.5. If you've got the atom spacing right for 27atoms in this configuration, then increase your box size to make theperiodic images go in the right spots. At the moment you are overlaying
atoms. I understand wht the fault with my conf.gro file is, but if I have to simulate a bcc lattice then wht should the .gro file look like?IIRC, a bcc lattice has two atoms per unit cell 
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Re: [gmx-users] Ngmx

2006-05-11 Thread karamyog singh
the problem continues even if i rescale my box to 1.0 1.0 1.0 :(On 5/11/06, karamyog singh [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:hmm.. i know about the no. of atoms in bcc. please tell me what to do if i want more than 1 unit cell?
gromacs is not supporting periodic boundary conditions for my cell and i think i know y.
On 5/11/06, Mark Abraham [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

karamyog singh wrote: Thnx Mark. I stil have a doubt. If want to simulate a crystal structure,then how should i go about it? wht changes should be made in the above file? even if i replace the 27th atom with 
0.5 0.25 0.5, then too it will overlay some other atom.0.5 == 0 if the size is 0.5. If you've got the atom spacing right for 27atoms in this configuration, then increase your box size to make theperiodic images go in the right spots. At the moment you are overlaying
atoms. I understand wht the fault with my conf.gro file is, but if I have to simulate a bcc lattice then wht should the .gro file look like?IIRC, a bcc lattice has two atoms per unit cell 
e.g
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Re: [gmx-users] afm pulling and comm_mode

2006-05-11 Thread Marta Murcia

Hi again,
I pretty much went about the setting up of afm pulling calculations. 
Still I am a little bit concern about the results. When using gmx3.2.1 
and applying a Linear removal of the center of mass (i.e. translation) I 
see the cell unit still moving during the simulation in a direction 
that, looks to me, is opposite to the force I am applying. In fact, when 
the pulling rate is smaller, the move is not as dramatic. What am I 
doing wrong? I have no note that with 3.3 this doesn't happen. Did 
anyone experience something like that?

Any tip/suggestion will be greatly appreciated
Best
M

Marta Murcia wrote:


Thanks Emily and Maik for your feed-back
You both are right regarding the init vector. I happened to be the 
sign of it as Emily guessed. Changing the direction by doing 
xpull-xref, ypull -yref, zpull-zref  and not xref-xpull.works 
fine.  Thanks for the offer on the script though.

Thanks Emily for claryfing my confusion on the directional vector
All the best
M

Maik Goette wrote:


Hi

There seems to be something wrong with your init-vector.
Ich have written a small python script, which simply calculates the 
vector for convenience purposes. You still need the pull- and 
COM-group coordinates, though. But that shouldn't be a problem.

If you want it, I'll send it via mail.

Regards

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Marta Murcia wrote:


Emily,
I just saw your answer
Thanks a lot

I just have another question about the unit vector describing the 
direction of pulling. Should it be always a unit vector (1 1 1 for 
example)? Should I asumme then that the direction of the pulling is 
the one specified by the init vector or could I used that same 
vector for example as afm_dir?


Also, I don't know if I am doing something wrong but using afm_ini 1 
1 1 and afm_dir as the vector that connects the two atoms I've 
chosen (the pulled and the ref) I am not able to get the spring and 
the pulled atom at the same coordinates at the beginning of pull.pdo 
file.


# AFM   3.0
# Component selection: 1 1 1
# nSkip 1
# Ref. Group 'm'
# Nr. of pull groups 1
# Group 1 'a_13586'  afmVec 1.00 1.00 1.00  AfmRate 
0.02  AfmK 3000.00

#

0.003.7130005.6270005.181000
3.6940003.7320005.7120005.542000
4.895.472001


I was able to get it, though, using absolute coordinates leaving the 
reference group blanck (using gromac 3.3 since in 3.2.1 there is a 
bug on absolute coordinates)


#AFM   3.0
# Component selection: 1 1 1
# nSkip 1
# Ref. Group ''
# Nr. of pull groups 1
# Group 1 'a_13586'  afmVec 1.00 1.00 1.00  AfmRate 
0.02  AfmK 3000.00

#
0.00  0.000.000.00
3.6940003.6940005.7120005.712000
4.894.89



what is wrong? am i choosing the wrong starting vector when using a 
reference group? (Note that I am using  xref-xpull, yref-ypull, 
zref-zpull  as afm-ini, 0.019 -0.085 0.291)


Again, thanks a lot
M

Emily Walton wrote:


Hi,


Dear all,
I am simulating an unbinding process with the pull code (afm option).
I've been reading previous posts about this option and I just  
wanted to

clarify some ideas and ask some questions. There are:
1-The pulling can be done choosing two different molecules. Why a
particular group within a molecule can not be used? Not even as a
reference group?






Any group that is defined in your index file (specified with mdrun 
- pn pull.ndx) can be used. Look at made_ndx in the manual to learn 
how  to add new groups.



2-Should I need to fixed the center of mass of the protein to avoid
shifts? How can I do that? Would it be OK to use posre for the  
backbone

of the protein with carrying out the pulling?






It depends on what you want to do. Typically, something would need 
to  be fixed. In ligand-protein systems, the center of mass of the  
protein is a reasonable choice. It was used by Grubmuller et al. 
in  their 1996 Science paper on the unbinding of 
biotin-streptavidin.  (Science, 271:954–5, 1996) For unraveling of 
proteins, one terminal  atom may be fixed while the other is pulled.


Fixing the center of mass of a group in the index file can be done 
in  the .mdp file you feed to grompp. See the manual, chapter 7.



3-Should I removed all the constraints for the bonds (SHAKE, lincs)?






I think this is a matter of preference. Some people do, some 
people  don't. Again, it will depend on your system- is it stable 
without the  constraints?


The bonds that are broken with afm pulling are bonds described by 
non- bonded interaction terms in gromacs. These bonds 

[gmx-users] do_dssp : ssdump data

2006-05-11 Thread Senthil Kandasamy
Where can I find the exhaustive list of one letter codes used from  
secondary structures? (H for helix, T for turn...)
I looked at do_dssp.c to figure it out . the array map[]... semes to  
hold the relevant information, but I got very confused. Any help  
would be appreciated...


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[gmx-users] position restraints

2006-05-11 Thread David Mobley

Dear all,

I'm trying to figure out if there is currently a way to calculate the
position restraint energy (for example, if I'm using a posre.itp file
to  harmonically restrain some atoms) on the fly. Can anyone give me
some pointers? I haven't turned up anything useful on this since 2001
on the mailing list.

In particular, I would *very much* like to be able to somehow get the
position restraint energy without having to save trajectory snapshots
and reprocess the trajectory somehow, as I need to get the position
restraint energy every 0.2 ps or so over fairly long trajectories, and
I would rather not have to save trajectory snapshots this often to
disk.

Will I have to modify the code to get this, or is there something more
straightforward I can do?

Thanks,
David
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Re: [gmx-users] position restraints

2006-05-11 Thread David van der Spoel

David Mobley wrote:

Dear all,

I'm trying to figure out if there is currently a way to calculate the
position restraint energy (for example, if I'm using a posre.itp file
to  harmonically restrain some atoms) on the fly. Can anyone give me
some pointers? I haven't turned up anything useful on this since 2001
on the mailing list.

In particular, I would *very much* like to be able to somehow get the
position restraint energy without having to save trajectory snapshots
and reprocess the trajectory somehow, as I need to get the position
restraint energy every 0.2 ps or so over fairly long trajectories, and
I would rather not have to save trajectory snapshots this often to
disk.

Will I have to modify the code to get this, or is there something more
straightforward I can do?


It's not entirely clear to me what you want. If you apply position 
restraints you get the energy.

Where's the problem?


Thanks,
David
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Re: [gmx-users] position restraints

2006-05-11 Thread David Mobley

David,

OK, I am running MD using position restraints, and I don't get a
separate energy output for restraint energy or some such; as far as
I can tell the energy of the restraints is grouped in with the total
potential energy and never reported separately. I would like it to be
reported separately, as well (perhaps in the .ene file). Is there a
way I can get this?

Thanks,
David


On 5/11/06, David van der Spoel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

David Mobley wrote:
 Dear all,

 I'm trying to figure out if there is currently a way to calculate the
 position restraint energy (for example, if I'm using a posre.itp file
 to  harmonically restrain some atoms) on the fly. Can anyone give me
 some pointers? I haven't turned up anything useful on this since 2001
 on the mailing list.

 In particular, I would *very much* like to be able to somehow get the
 position restraint energy without having to save trajectory snapshots
 and reprocess the trajectory somehow, as I need to get the position
 restraint energy every 0.2 ps or so over fairly long trajectories, and
 I would rather not have to save trajectory snapshots this often to
 disk.

 Will I have to modify the code to get this, or is there something more
 straightforward I can do?

It's not entirely clear to me what you want. If you apply position
restraints you get the energy.
Where's the problem?

 Thanks,
 David
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[gmx-users] mdrun_mpi stops at random

2006-05-11 Thread Jason O'Young

Hi all,

I have an issue doing parallel runs where the simulation would just  
hang at seemingly random intervals anywhere from an hour to a day.  
There are no error messages reported in the logs and nothing funny  
from dmesg.


My set up is two dual-core Pentium D. I run with -np 4 to take  
advantage of all cores.


When I issue a top command when the run is frozen, I notice that  
mdrun_mpi is at 0% CPU usage and sometimes sleeping on the slave  
node. On the master node, CPU usage is close to max. There is no  
network activity according to the blinking lights on my switch as well.


When I do a run with -np 2 where one process is run on each computer,  
the run seems to carry on stably.


I am using:
Gromacs 3.3.1
Lam 7.1.2
Parallel Knoppix Kernel version 2.6.12

Gromacs was compiled from source.

I understand from searching the archives that a few people have had a  
problem similar to mine, but I could not fine a straight answer.


Thanks!
Jason


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[gmx-users] Re: Re: angle restraints

2006-05-11 Thread Maarten Wolf

David,

Thanks for your reply.

I am currently using 3.3.1 code. 

I am increase the force, to be able to calculate the free energy
required of introducing the angle restraints in the system. I use small
force increments each run, using a delta_lambda of 0. 

Decreasing or increasing in my view only changes the sign of the
overall graph, but it should not allow dG/dl to cross zero.

Thanks,
Maarten

  From: David Mobley [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: Discussion list for GROMACS users gmx-users@gromacs.org
 Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 09:34:28 -0700
 Subject: Re: [gmx-users] angle restraints
 
 Maarten,
 
 What version of the code are you using? There was a bug in the angle
 restraints code until 3.3.1 (or 3.3 cvs) which caused angle
 restraints
 to turn off gradually as a function of lambda in free energy
 calculations, if I remember correctly. (See bugzilla for details:
 http://bugzilla.gromacs.org/show_bug.cgi?id=43).
 
 However, I'm not sure that relates to the problem you're describing,
 but it probably does, depending on the version you are using.
 
 What exactly are you changing in the free energy calculation? Are you
 changing the angle restraint as a function of lambda? If so, which
 way
 are you changing it? Decreasing or increasing restraints?
 
 David
 
 
 
 On 5/11/06, Maarten Wolf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Dear users,
 
  I have a small system with a number of small peptides. I want to
  constraint the angle between the N-term to C-term vectors of
 different
  peptides. This works well, but if I do a FEP calculation the dG/dl
  becomes smaller than zero at some point.
  I expected it to be at least allways greater than zero (zero in the
  limit that the restraint does not have to do anything), since a
 force
  has to be aplied to restraint the angles.
  Can anybody explain where I am going wrong?
 
  Thanks
  Maarten
 
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