[gmx-users] help

2007-08-08 Thread vinod kumar
HI can any one help me

queries?
1) what and all are the essential file required for adding a solvent
and run a MD?
(i am not looking for the stnd solvents , ( as given in top or tutor) ,)
2) can u pleae tell me in steps ?

vinod
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Re: [gmx-users] help

2007-08-08 Thread Mark Abraham

vinod kumar wrote:

HI can any one help me

queries?
1) what and all are the essential file required for adding a solvent
and run a MD?
(i am not looking for the stnd solvents , ( as given in top or tutor) ,)
2) can u pleae tell me in steps ?


There's tutorial material available on the GROMACS website 
http://www.gromacs.org/. Please use it. There's also a lot of 
information on the GROMACS wiki http://wiki.gromacs.org.


You should have a read of this web page, to learn how to ask smarter 
questions... http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html


Mark
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Re: [gmx-users] free energy perturbations and B-parameter specifications

2007-08-08 Thread Maik Goette

Hi

You have to be more specific...
Did you just do one sim for Gly-Ala?
Are you sure, you did the simulations in a way, you can compare it to 
exp. results? (think about doing the perturbation once in water and once 
in vacuum or so)


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Soren Enemark wrote:

Dear Gromacsers,
 
I have been doing free energy perturbations Gly-Ala in one strand of 
collagene.
 
Now, the problem is that I have later closely reread the section 5.6.4 
(Free

Energy Calculations) p. 105 in which it says:
Bonded interactions between atoms that are not perturbed do not need B 
parameter specifications ...
 
My questions are:
1. Does this mean that bonded interactions between atoms that ARE 
perturbed DO need B parameter specifications? Even if they are the same 
in state

A and B?
2. What about the other topology parameters (angles, dihedrals etc), do 
they need to be specified too?

3. What happens if I have not specified these specifications?
 
The relevant parts of the topology file which I use are:
 
[ atoms ]


87  N 13ALA  N 49  -0.2814.0067   ; 
qtot 0.72
88  H 13ALA  H 49   0.28  1.008   ; 
qtot 1
89CH2 13ALA CA 50  0 14.027  
CH1  0.0  3.019   ; qtot 1
90DUM 13ALA CB 50  0 15.035  
CH3  0.0 15.035   ; qtot 1
91  C 13ALA  C 51   0.38 12.011   ; 
qtot 1.38
92  O 13ALA  O 51  -0.3815.9994   ; 
qtot 1

...
 
[ bonds ]

...
   8789 2gb_20
   8990 2gb_26
   8991 2gb_26
...
 
[ angles ]


   858789 2ga_30
   888789 2ga_17
   878990 2ga_12
   878991 2ga_12
   908991 2ga_12
   899192 2ga_29
   899193 2ga_18
 
 
And so on, ie, no B specifications have been done except for the atoms!
 
 
Best regards, and thank you in anticipation,

Soren
 
 
Ps. One (non-gromacs -sorry) question, given that the above is not wrong:
For the pertubation Gly-Ala I have get a deltaG of 0.8 kcal/mol. 
Looking through literature, this does not seem all wrong, say if the 
pertubation took place in an alpha-helix. On the other hand, it is 
close to the thermal energy (~kT), and a previous article doing the 
exact same perturbation arrives at a deltaG around 8.6 kcal/mol. Could 
anyone comment on that?




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Re: [gmx-users] Mutagenesis

2007-08-08 Thread Maik Goette

Hi

The question arises, is physically acceptance equal to biological 
reality and the answer is (with reasonable probability) no.


What I suppose, you want to do is calculating the affinity difference 
(free energy difference) for binding of a slab of DNA to a protein with 
mutated aminoacids.
Therefore you will calculate via TI or so the difference in free energy 
of two states, where A is the one with the original AA and B with the 
mutated AA. With GROMACS, you can morph between these states and 
calculate the DeltaG.
To get the atoms of the B-state positioned correctly, you may setup a 
library of your AAs and fit the backbone atoms to the BB-atoms of the 
original one. Then you have more or less reasonable positions for you 
B-state side-chain atoms. Afterwards have a look which side chain atoms 
of the B-state AA you really have to grow and afterwards start the sim.
Which kind of TI one should use is hard to say, but I'd suggest discrete 
TI (not slow growth), because your B-state has the time to equilibrate 
(more or less) properly.


If all this is feasible, one probably can't answer. At last, that's the 
best one can doand, btw., expect to invest some time to get this 
working.


Hope, this helps.

Regards

Maik Goette, Dipl. Biol.
Max Planck Institute for Biophysical Chemistry
Theoretical  computational biophysics department
Am Fassberg 11
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Germany
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Esther Caballero-Manrique wrote:

Hi everyone,

I am new to mutagenesis studies, so I was wondering if I could get some 
input on my approach. My task involves mutagenizing a residue (with all  
19 possibilities)  in a protein that binds DNA, and then deciding 
whether the resulting structure is physically acceptable.

My approach to do this is 1) mutate using MODELLER,
2) check the structure with something like PROCKECK (although since I am 
just mutating one residue, this doesn't seem important/useful),
3) align the resulting structure from MODELLER with the original and 
paste the DNA

4) check for clashes with PROCHECK, and
5) do MD to see whether the model is feasible/calculate free energy of 
binding.
Obviously all steps are easy and fast except the last one, and my 
question is, does anyone think that step 5 is overdoing it if one just 
needs to know whether a structure is feasible ( i.e., I am not using MD 
for refinement, but as a check of the feasibility of the complex)? Does 
anyone have a better/easier way to do this?


Thanks a lot for your help,
Esther

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Re: [gmx-users] dummy atom definition prob in FEP

2007-08-08 Thread Maik Goette

Friend...

What are you trying to do???
If you want to do standard FEP with growing something into dummy (NOT 
virtual site) or from dummy, you must not use virtual sites!

Virtual sites in fact, have no mass; neither in A- nor in B-state.
Please read the fManual about virtual particles, their usage and why 
they exist in GROMACS (hint, delocalized charge)


As far as I know, you can't morph a virtual site to a real particle. I 
also think, It wouldn't make much sense, though.


If you want to morph away e.g. a proton, define a dummy in the b-state, 
which has no LJ parameters (eps and sigma=0) and no charge, but still 
the original mass.


Regards

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Theoretical  computational biophysics department
Am Fassberg 11
37077 Goettingen
Germany
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Fax   : ++49 551 201 2302
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Wang Qin wrote:

Hi,
   Thanks for reply. It seems that specifying mass_B = mass_A doesn't 
help to solve the problem. However, if I don't use the directory 
[virtual_site#] the errors disappear! What's the result if I do this?  
Is the directory necessary  in the FEP  calculation  to define the dummy 
atoms?

Thanks,
Qin

On 7/20/07, *Stéphane Téletchéa* [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Wang Qin a écrit :
  Hi there,
  I have a problems when I do a FEP calculation.
  Below is how I defined dummy atoms in the topology file:
  [atom]
  ;nr typeresnr   residue atomcgnrcharge
  masstype_B  charge_Bmass_B
  21  opls_1721   LG6 H21 21  0.4650
  1.00800 opls_0  0.  0.00
  22  opls_1721   LG6 H22 22  0.4650
  1.00800 opls_0  0.  0.00
  ..
 

I think you need to specify the mass_B=mass_A, at least this is how it
is setup in the tutorials i've done (the one from Berk Hess and the
other one from David Mobley).

I've also done calculations without setting the mass for B (like you
did) and did not encounter any problem, the error you're seing could
thus come from another part of your system.

Cheers,
Stéphane

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Re: [gmx-users] editconf and the placement of the center of mass

2007-08-08 Thread Tsjerk Wassenaar
Hi Arneh,

From the help of editconf (editconf -h) you could have seen that it
has no such option. It wouldn't be very hard to add it though...

Cheers,

Tsjerk

On 8/8/07, Arneh Babakhani [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hi,

 In editconf, there's an option -center which allows you to place the
 geometrical center of your molecular at a desired location.

 I was wondering, is there an analogous option for the placement of the
 center of mass of a molecule?

 Thanks,

 Arneh
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Re: [gmx-users] Constrains and TI

2007-08-08 Thread Maik Goette

Hi

First, for the other topic you posted (which is probably somehow related 
to this one):


Now, please be more specific with what you want to doYou wrote:
What I want to do is calculate the free energy difference of pulling 
the ligand away from the receptor


This is a pulling approach, where you would like to do AFM sims and 
afterwards use Jarzynski. If that is what you want, search the 
literature for Jarzynski and try to understand his theorem (you will 
see, one pulling sim is not enough for free energy calc).


Then you wrote:
I want to do it using theromdynamic intergration using the Lamda 0/1 stuff

This is a totally different approach

With both, you can ESTIMATE binding free energies. Still, both are very 
different in the way to setup a simulation in GROMACS. You WILL find 
out, how to do it by:

1. Reading the manual
2. Searching the mailing list
3. Using the GROMACS Wiki
4. Using some of the tutorials, which were posted, by e.g. David Mobley

Now, coming to your idea about using distance restraints to pull the 
ligand away (its more of a push).
I think (correct me if I'm wrong), that you can't use A and B state 
distance restraints in GROMACS (or better say, they will stay the same 
for both states).


I'd suggest to use either TI OR AFM pulling. For sure, you could do both 
and see, if you get similar free energy differences with both methods...
I don't think, you can calculate the free energy difference by using 
different distance restraints, anyway.


Regards

P.S.
As I just saw it. Inform yourself about the difference between 
CONSTRAINTS and RESTRAINTS (there is an important one...)


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[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

hello all,


is it possible to constrain a distance (or several) between a
ligand-receptor complex inorder to simulate free energy change of
separating the ligand from the receptor?

I intend to use TI and lamda to do free energy calculations.


any help is appreicated.

Belquis

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Re: [gmx-users] Continuation diferent machine.

2007-08-08 Thread Anthony Cruz
Thank you Erick for your rapidly responce.

On Tuesday 07 August 2007 7:58 pm, Erik Lindahl wrote:
 Binary identical means that the files are identical bit-for-bit, i.e.
 if you ran cmp traj1.trr traj2.trr it would report the files to be
 the same/indistinguishable.

 This is normally only important for debugging. If you don't know it
 doesn't apply to you :-)

 All that matters for you is that 3.3 = 3.2, so it should work fine;
 the hardware doesn't matter.

 Cheers,

 Erik

 On Aug 8, 2007, at 12:25 AM, Anthony Cruz wrote:
  Hi Erick,
 
  Thank you for you responce.  I am sorry but I dont unterstand the term
  _binary_ identical results. The first simulation was run on a
  linux machine
  (pentium 4) with gromacs 3.2 from the rpm included in suse. The new
  machine
  will be  (Pentium4 Xeon) with gromacs 3.3 (manual compiled) with
  SDSCs Rocks
  clustering system. I think that the architecturesare more or less
  the same. I
  am correct??? So I could continue the job in the new machine???
 
  Best Regards,
  Anthony
 
  On Tuesday 07 August 2007 5:25 pm, Erik Lindahl wrote:
  Hi Anthony,
 
  As long as the version you're continuing with is the same or more
  recent than the one you started with it should work fine; all gromacs
  output files are stored in portable formats and are can be read by
  newer versions.
 
  You are not guaranteed _binary_ identical results, though - that
  depends on the compiler, or if you are running on architectures where
  we use tuned assembly loops.
 
 
  Cheers,
 
  Erik
 
  On Aug 7, 2007, at 10:57 PM, Anthony Cruz wrote:
  Hi users:
  I have made some simulation in one of our workstation. Now I want
  to extend
  the simulations few nanoseconds. I can continue the simulations in
  other
  machine without affecting the results? I need to use the same
  gromacs
  version?
 
  Best Regards,
 
  Anthony
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Re: [gmx-users] dummy atom definition prob in FEP

2007-08-08 Thread Wang Qin
Thank you, Maik.
I do want to do standard FEP and thank you for telling me that FEP don't go
with virtual sites. It does help.
BTW, may I ask you why I should define a none_zero mass for a dummy atom?

Thanks,
Qin

On 8/8/07, Maik Goette [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Friend...

 What are you trying to do???
 If you want to do standard FEP with growing something into dummy (NOT
 virtual site) or from dummy, you must not use virtual sites!
 Virtual sites in fact, have no mass; neither in A- nor in B-state.
 Please read the fManual about virtual particles, their usage and why
 they exist in GROMACS (hint, delocalized charge)

 As far as I know, you can't morph a virtual site to a real particle. I
 also think, It wouldn't make much sense, though.

 If you want to morph away e.g. a proton, define a dummy in the b-state,
 which has no LJ parameters (eps and sigma=0) and no charge, but still
 the original mass.

 Regards

 Maik Goette, Dipl. Biol.
 Max Planck Institute for Biophysical Chemistry
 Theoretical  computational biophysics department
 Am Fassberg 11
 37077 Goettingen
 Germany
 Tel.  : ++49 551 201 2310
 Fax   : ++49 551 201 2302
 Email : mgoette[at]mpi-bpc.mpg.de
  mgoette2[at]gwdg.de
 WWW   : http://www.mpibpc.gwdg.de/groups/grubmueller/


 Wang Qin wrote:
  Hi,
 Thanks for reply. It seems that specifying mass_B = mass_A doesn't
  help to solve the problem. However, if I don't use the directory
  [virtual_site#] the errors disappear! What's the result if I do this?
  Is the directory necessary  in the FEP  calculation  to define the dummy
  atoms?
  Thanks,
  Qin
 
  On 7/20/07, *Stéphane Téletchéa* [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  Wang Qin a écrit :
Hi there,
I have a problems when I do a FEP calculation.
Below is how I defined dummy atoms in the topology file:
[atom]
;nr typeresnr   residue atomcgnrcharge
masstype_B  charge_Bmass_B
21  opls_1721   LG6 H21 21  0.4650
1.00800 opls_0  0.  0.00
22  opls_1721   LG6 H22 22  0.4650
1.00800 opls_0  0.  0.00
..
   
 
  I think you need to specify the mass_B=mass_A, at least this is how
 it
  is setup in the tutorials i've done (the one from Berk Hess and the
  other one from David Mobley).
 
  I've also done calculations without setting the mass for B (like you
  did) and did not encounter any problem, the error you're seing could
  thus come from another part of your system.
 
  Cheers,
  Stéphane
 
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Re: [gmx-users] dummy atom definition prob in FEP

2007-08-08 Thread Maik Goette

Your system will explode.
Actually I'm not sure, why that is, but probably, because some forces 
from the bonded terms are transferred to your mass-zero particle, which 
then accelerates infinitly fast...even though I would expect some 
division over zero error in the velocity calculation...


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Theoretical  computational biophysics department
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Wang Qin wrote:

Thank you, Maik.
I do want to do standard FEP and thank you for telling me that FEP don't 
go with virtual sites. It does help.

BTW, may I ask you why I should define a none_zero mass for a dummy atom?

Thanks,
Qin

On 8/8/07, *Maik Goette* [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Friend...

What are you trying to do???
If you want to do standard FEP with growing something into dummy (NOT
virtual site) or from dummy, you must not use virtual sites!
Virtual sites in fact, have no mass; neither in A- nor in B-state.
Please read the fManual about virtual particles, their usage and why
they exist in GROMACS (hint, delocalized charge)

As far as I know, you can't morph a virtual site to a real particle. I
also think, It wouldn't make much sense, though.

If you want to morph away e.g. a proton, define a dummy in the b-state,
which has no LJ parameters (eps and sigma=0) and no charge, but still
the original mass.

Regards

Maik Goette, Dipl. Biol.
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Wang Qin wrote:
  Hi,
 Thanks for reply. It seems that specifying mass_B = mass_A doesn't
  help to solve the problem. However, if I don't use the directory
  [virtual_site#] the errors disappear! What's the result if I do
this?
  Is the directory necessary  in the FEP  calculation  to define
the dummy
  atoms?
  Thanks,
  Qin
 
  On 7/20/07, *Stéphane Téletchéa*  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  Wang Qin a écrit :
Hi there,
I have a problems when I do a FEP calculation.
Below is how I defined dummy atoms in the topology
file:
[atom]
;nr typeresnr   residue atomcgnrcharge
masstype_B  charge_Bmass_B
21  opls_1721   LG6 H21 21  0.4650
1.00800 opls_0  0.  0.00
22  opls_1721   LG6 H22 22  0.4650
1.00800 opls_0  0.  0.00
..
   
 
  I think you need to specify the mass_B=mass_A, at least this
is how it
  is setup in the tutorials i've done (the one from Berk Hess
and the
  other one from David Mobley).
 
  I've also done calculations without setting the mass for B
(like you
  did) and did not encounter any problem, the error you're
seing could
  thus come from another part of your system.
 
  Cheers,
  Stéphane
 
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Re: [gmx-users] Timestep

2007-08-08 Thread Ramya Cherukupalli

Thank a lot to all for your inputs..

Ramya.


 Hi,

 In principle Gromacs should never just crash with a segmentation
 fault, but at least give you a (perhaps cryptic) error message and
 exit somewhat gracefully.

 As far as I know there is only one exception to this: If you are
 using tabulated interactions the table can only be of finite size,
 and thus there will be a cutoff beyond which there is no data.
 Unfortunately it is not possible to determine this automatically, so
 you have to set the table extension beyond your normal cutoffs in the
 mdp file (table-ext).   The obvious question is of course why we
 don't do a check for the distance before the table lookup, but that
 would be a conditional statement in the very innermost nonbonded
 loop, and drastically reduce performance.

 I don't think your system will explode completely with 3fs steps
 though, so the best options might be to compile with debug flag (./
 configure CFLAGS=-O3 -g) and run the simulation in a debugger to
 see where it crashes.

 Cheers,

 Erik


 On Aug 7, 2007, at 8:30 PM, Xavier Periole wrote


 It is not possible to answer your question from the information you
 give.
 A lot of things can cause a segmentation fault. From compilation to
 your particular system. Put a search on the user-list, you'll get
 an idea
 of possible problems.

 It depends what you will be looking at but I would suggest to stick
 to a 2 fs time step.

 XAvier

  Thanks to Xavier for his prompt reply..
  Actually my objective is a bit longer[50-60ns] but the problem is
 that
 even if i cant change the time-step to 0.003 it is exiting saying
 segmentation fault then how is it possible with 1fs [or 4 fs as
 suggested] which i want to do to reduce time.
  I wanted to know where the problem is... why cant i increase the
 time
 step and the only error shown is 'segmentation fault'..so is the
 reason
 in compilation or coding or machine precision or is it with molecular
 system wise thats what i was trying to understand..
 Thanks again..
 Ramya.

 10 ns of a solvated protein of regular size should not require much
 computing time.

 Increasing the time-step above 2 fs is a solution to increase the
 speed of the run but then you face the problem of not integrating
 the fast movement correctly and this can end up in large forces
 and then you run crashes.
 You could use dummy hydrogens (see manual) and heavy water and
 use a 4 fs time step. This is ok for a simple protein in a box
 of water.

 But again 10ns of a protein solvated is not a long simulation.

 XAvier

I am trying to perform a simulation run of 10ns for my system
 [protein+waterbox].The system works fine if i use timestep[dt=0.002
 fs].   To balance the run time and time-consumption, when we try a
 .mdp file with slight increase of timestep i.e., to 0.003 fs;
 grompp
 works fine and generates input tpr, but when going further with
 mdrun,
 the program crashes, giving error:
 Segmentation Fault

 So i have to increase the number of steps[nsteps] to achieve
 required
 run
 time.But this'll be time consuming.I am unable to figure out any
 alternative.
 I am using Gromacs 3.3 on IBM Power5 machine with SLES9.
 Please suggest me the required to be done.Thanks in advance.

 The .mdp file i've used:

 integrator   = md
 ;Total simulation time: 5000 ps
 :time step in femtoseconds
 dt   = 0.002
 ;number of steps
 nsteps   = 250
 nstxout  = 100
 nstvout  = 100
 nstlog   = 10
 nstenergy= 10
 nstxtcout= 10
 ;xtc_grps= prot
 ;group(s) to write to energy file
 energygrps   = protein non-protein
 Frequency to update the neighbor list (and the long-range forces,
 ;when using twin-range cut-off's).
 nstlist  = 10
 cut-off distance for the short-range neighbor list
 rlist= 0.8
 ;treatment of electrostatic interactions
 coulombtype  = PME
 rcoulomb = 0.9



 *$$$*

 Ramya Cherukupalli,
 Final year,
 M.S Bioinformatics,
 IIIT - H.


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Re: [gmx-users] Constrains and TI

2007-08-08 Thread bmmothan
Thank you for the reply,

Sorry for the confusion of my two emails. I guess I was using the word
pulling in the wrong context. Now after my extensive reading, what I
meant  is that i want to calculate the absoulte binding free energy of a
ligand/receptor complex.

I have read the manual over and looked at the tutorials, and came to the
idea that i can constrain distances b/w the ligand and the receptor and
input a distance for state B to vary the distance using lamda. (Manual 3.3
chapter 6 special topics, section 6.3 Calcuating the PMF using the
free-energy code)

I am using contraints type 2, which can be perturbed in free energy
calculations. here is what I used in my calculation:
[ constraints ]
; ai   aj  funct  length_A  length_B
  44   258   2 0.2592.406
  123  179   2 0.3292.334


I am currently running a 5ns using the slow-growth method to give me an
idea of what happens to the system.

I am also looking into using orientational-restrains and using a
thermodynamic cycle instead of PMF of the unbinding of the ligand to
receptor.

please correct me if I am wrong.

and thanks for ur help.

Belquis




 Hi

 First, for the other topic you posted (which is probably somehow related
 to this one):

 Now, please be more specific with what you want to doYou wrote:
 What I want to do is calculate the free energy difference of pulling
 the ligand away from the receptor

 This is a pulling approach, where you would like to do AFM sims and
 afterwards use Jarzynski. If that is what you want, search the
 literature for Jarzynski and try to understand his theorem (you will
 see, one pulling sim is not enough for free energy calc).

 Then you wrote:
 I want to do it using theromdynamic intergration using the Lamda 0/1
 stuff

 This is a totally different approach

 With both, you can ESTIMATE binding free energies. Still, both are very
 different in the way to setup a simulation in GROMACS. You WILL find
 out, how to do it by:
 1. Reading the manual
 2. Searching the mailing list
 3. Using the GROMACS Wiki
 4. Using some of the tutorials, which were posted, by e.g. David Mobley

 Now, coming to your idea about using distance restraints to pull the
 ligand away (its more of a push).
 I think (correct me if I'm wrong), that you can't use A and B state
 distance restraints in GROMACS (or better say, they will stay the same
 for both states).

 I'd suggest to use either TI OR AFM pulling. For sure, you could do both
 and see, if you get similar free energy differences with both methods...
 I don't think, you can calculate the free energy difference by using
 different distance restraints, anyway.

 Regards

 P.S.
 As I just saw it. Inform yourself about the difference between
 CONSTRAINTS and RESTRAINTS (there is an important one...)

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 hello all,


 is it possible to constrain a distance (or several) between a
 ligand-receptor complex inorder to simulate free energy change of
 separating the ligand from the receptor?

 I intend to use TI and lamda to do free energy calculations.


 any help is appreicated.

 Belquis

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[gmx-users] Using editconf to center on 0 0 0 , then using genbox

2007-08-08 Thread Arneh Babakhani
Hi,

I'm using editconf to center my sytem about the origin (0 0 0).  No
problem there.

But then when I use genbox to solvate the resulting structure, the solvent
is offset (not centered about 0 0 0).   Is there a way to correct this?

Arneh


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[gmx-users] problems with parallel mdrun

2007-08-08 Thread Gurpreet Singh
Dear gmx users,

I am using a current CVS version of Gromacs and using the newly introduced
options for simulations with walls. I am facing the following two
problems.

I get the following errors while using paralled version of mdrun compiled
with openmpi.
mpirun -np 4 mdrun_d_mpi -np 4 -v -deffnm EQUI1
*
Program mdrun_d_mpi, VERSION 3.3.99_development_20070720
Source code file: gmx_parallel_3dfft.c, line: 90

Fatal error:
nx (50) and ny (50) must be divisible by the number of nodes (4).
***
I am using a cubic box of 5nm and grid spacing is 0.1. The simulations
runs fine if i use 5 nodes
I am using a machines with 2 dual xeon processors so -np 4 is more
appropriate for my sytems.
 Is there any way to use -np 4  without changing the gridspacing 
or box size?

second question is regarding wall_denstiy option.

As i understood from the manual the wall density is a number density in
units of number/nm2 in case of 10-4 potential
and is number/nm3 in case of 9-3 potential.
please correct me if i am wrong.

Thank you in advance
With Regards,
Gurpreet
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[gmx-users] pressure scaling more than 1%

2007-08-08 Thread Wang Qin
Dear all,
  I am trying to do a FEP. In the equilibrium step, it fails after
about 500 steps with a warnning:  pressure scaling more than 1%, mu: 1.06718
1.06718 1.06718. I searched the old discussion about it and then try to
increase the tau_p to 2 till 10. But it just goes futher but still meets the
problem at the end.
  Any idea about it?

Regards,
Qin
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Re: [gmx-users] Using editconf to center on 0 0 0 , then using genbox

2007-08-08 Thread Mark Abraham

Arneh Babakhani wrote:

Hi,

I'm using editconf to center my sytem about the origin (0 0 0).  No
problem there.

But then when I use genbox to solvate the resulting structure, the solvent
is offset (not centered about 0 0 0).   Is there a way to correct this?


Have you tried editconf on the solvated structure? Why does it matter 
anyway?


Mark
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Re: [gmx-users] problems with parallel mdrun

2007-08-08 Thread Mark Abraham

Gurpreet Singh wrote:

Dear gmx users,

I am using a current CVS version of Gromacs and using the newly introduced
options for simulations with walls. I am facing the following two
problems.


You should send separate emails for each problem, with different subject 
headings, so that people with relevant expertise have the maximum chance 
of seeing your problem. The second problem here has nothing to do with 
your email subject line...



I get the following errors while using paralled version of mdrun compiled
with openmpi.
mpirun -np 4 mdrun_d_mpi -np 4 -v -deffnm EQUI1
*
Program mdrun_d_mpi, VERSION 3.3.99_development_20070720
Source code file: gmx_parallel_3dfft.c, line: 90

Fatal error:
nx (50) and ny (50) must be divisible by the number of nodes (4).
***
I am using a cubic box of 5nm and grid spacing is 0.1. The simulations
runs fine if i use 5 nodes
I am using a machines with 2 dual xeon processors so -np 4 is more
appropriate for my sytems.
 Is there any way to use -np 4  without changing the gridspacing 
or box size?


No. I'm guessing your .mdp file is trying to specify nx/ny/nz, rather 
than the grid spacing. If you specify the latter, grompp will take care 
of this issue so that you get the largest allowable spacing smaller than 
 (or equal to) the requested grid spacing.



second question is regarding wall_denstiy option.

As i understood from the manual the wall density is a number density in
units of number/nm2 in case of 10-4 potential
and is number/nm3 in case of 9-3 potential.
please correct me if i am wrong.


I don't know.

Mark
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Re: [gmx-users] Using editconf to center on 0 0 0 , then using genbox

2007-08-08 Thread Arneh Babakhani
I'd like to have my structure centered on 0 0 0 .

The solvated structure is completely off.  My protein is at the center,
but the solvation shell is way off center.

I just dont understand why genbox isn't recognizing the previous editconf
step.

Ok, I'll try solvating first then using editconf.


 Arneh Babakhani wrote:
 Hi,

 I'm using editconf to center my sytem about the origin (0 0 0).  No
 problem there.

 But then when I use genbox to solvate the resulting structure, the
 solvent
 is offset (not centered about 0 0 0).   Is there a way to correct this?

 Have you tried editconf on the solvated structure? Why does it matter
 anyway?

 Mark
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[gmx-users] Suggestion needed for new workstation

2007-08-08 Thread james zhang
Hi, everybody.
I want to buy a new workstation for MD simulation.
I think the Mac Pro from Apple is really nice.

The configuration:
*Two 3.0GHz Quad-Core Intel Xeon
* *8GB (4 x 2GB)
* *500GB 7200-rpm Serial ATA 3Gb/s

with price: *$6,225.00

Any suggestions or comments?
Thanks in advance.
*
*--
Sincerely yours,
James Jianzhang
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[gmx-users] g_energy and pressure

2007-08-08 Thread Christopher Stiles
I am trying to analyze the pressure of my box with respect to time using
g_energy but it seems to give crazy numbers. For example it gives positive
and negative numbers in the 1000's. What units does it use or how does it
calculate this? Should I be using another application to look at this? 

Additionally I am running it with a constant NVT setup.

 

~Christopher Stiles

College of Nanoscale Science and Engineering (CNSE) 

State University of New York, Albany, New York 12203, USA

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[gmx-users] how to simulate a protein and a ATP molecule simultaneity?

2007-08-08 Thread mjduan
Dear GROMACS users:I want to simulate a complex composed by a protein and an ATP molecule, and when I use the pdb2gmx to build the topology file and transfer thepdb file to gro file, it said Fatal error: Atom PG in residue ATP 1 not found in rtp entry with 36 atoms while sorting atoms, So how can I build the top file and gro file for ATP molecular and simulate the protein molcular and ATP molecule simultaneity?Best wishes!Mo-Jie Duan 

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Re: [gmx-users] g_energy and pressure

2007-08-08 Thread Mark Abraham

Christopher Stiles wrote:
I am trying to analyze the pressure of my box with respect to time using 
g_energy but it seems to give crazy numbers. For example it gives 
positive and negative numbers in the 1000’s. What units does it use or 
how does it calculate this? Should I be using another application to 
look at this?


Additionally I am running it with a constant NVT setup.


The answer here http://wiki.gromacs.org/index.php/FAQs applies for this 
question too.


Mark
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RE: [gmx-users] how to simulate a protein and a ATP moleculesimultaneity?

2007-08-08 Thread Christopher Stiles
Use x2top to build your top file for the ATP, and then used editconf to make
the gro file and then u can use genbox to put the protein and the ATP in the
same box.

Btw I am not 100% on this since I have not done it before but from the vast
amounts of reading I have done this seems like what you should do, also take
a look at the manual and the wiki to find out how to use these apps.

 

~Christopher Stiles

College of Nanoscale Science and Engineering (CNSE) 

State University of New York, Albany, New York 12203, USA

 

 

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Dear GROMACS users:
I want to simulate a complex composed by a protein and an ATP molecule, and
when I use the pdb2gmx to build the topology file and transfer thepdb file
to gro file, it said Fatal error: Atom PG in residue ATP 1 not found in rtp
entry with 36 atoms while sorting atoms, So how can I build the top file
and gro file for ATP molecular and simulate the protein molcular and ATP
molecule simultaneity?
Best wishes!

Mo-Jie Duan

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Re: [gmx-users] how to simulate a protein and a ATP molecule simultaneity?

2007-08-08 Thread Mark Abraham
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 Dear GROMACS users:
 I want to simulate a complex composed by a protein and an ATP molecule, 
 and when I use the pdb2gmx to build the topology file and transfer 
 the*pdb* file to *gro* file, it said /Fatal error: Atom PG in residue 
 ATP 1 not found in rtp entry with 36 atoms while sorting atoms/, So how 
 can I build the *top* file and *gro* file for ATP molecular and simulate 
 the protein molcular and ATP molecule simultaneity?

By reading chapter 5 of the manual thoroughly, understanding how the rtp
files work for your force field and modifying your .pdb file and/or
force field files to work suitably.

Mark
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Re: [gmx-users] Using editconf to center on 0 0 0 , then using genbox

2007-08-08 Thread Arneh Babakhani
Ok, I don't quite understand something.

My dowloaded pdb file of my molecule is centered at about 3 3 3 (in x y z,
nm).

I perform genbox to solvate it: No problem.

I then perform editconf to translate the center of the molecule to 0 0 0
(and move the water likewise):
editconf -f Molecule_Solv.gro -o Molecule_Solv -translate -3 -3 -3
[Note here, I'm not using the -center option, b/c I want to place the
center of the molecule, not the entire system, at 0 0 0].
No problem here (when I load the structure up in VMD and measure its
geometric center, it is indeed at 0 0 0).

But then, when I run a simulation on this structure (say a brief energy
minimization), it reverts back to its original center at 3 3 3.  In other
words, the outputted structure after the minimization has the molecule
centered back at 3 3 3.  Why is this happening???  Does this have anything
to do with the dimensions of the box? (which are 6 6 6).  The dimensions
are irrespective of the centering of the box, right?

[I know this seems a little trivial.  I'd like to have my molecule
centered at 0 0 0, b/c I'll be collecting coordinates later and it'll just
make my math easier.]

 Arneh Babakhani wrote:
 Hi,

 I'm using editconf to center my sytem about the origin (0 0 0).  No
 problem there.

 But then when I use genbox to solvate the resulting structure, the
 solvent
 is offset (not centered about 0 0 0).   Is there a way to correct this?

 Have you tried editconf on the solvated structure? Why does it matter
 anyway?

 Mark
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RE: [gmx-users] Using editconf to center on 0 0 0 , then using genbox

2007-08-08 Thread Dallas B. Warren
 [I know this seems a little trivial.  I'd like to have my 
 molecule centered at 0 0 0, b/c I'll be collecting 
 coordinates later and it'll just make my math easier.]

You will have to do that centering after the simulation has been run and
the trajectory files written.

Catch ya,

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RE: [gmx-users] help

2007-08-08 Thread Dallas B. Warren
In particular, have a look at
http://wiki.gromacs.org/index.php/Beginners

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