[gmx-users] how to deduce charges for gromos forcefield?

2007-11-25 Thread Q733
Dear gmx-users, I want to develop an itp file for an organic molecule which has 
87 atoms. I deduced the charge using the common Resp procedure with RED-III 
tool.However , I am not quite sure if the Resp charge or Esp charge can be used 
in Gromos forcefield, if not, how does Gromos forcefied deduce its charge 
distribution?
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Re: [gmx-users] how to write the correct top file for membraneprotein system?

2007-11-25 Thread Hadas Leonov

Hi Liang,

Do you have to define ffoplsaa.itp in your top file? isn't it enough to 
generate your protein topology with the OPLS forcefield using pdb2gmx and 
include the protein's generated itp files?


I don't use OPLS, but my own definition of the .top file goes like this:

; generic + lipid topology
#include ffgmx.itp
#include lipid.itp
#include dmpc.itp
#include ions.itp

; protein
#include chain_A.itp
#include chain_B.itp
#include chain_C.itp
#include chain_D.itp

; water
#include spc.itp

Rest of my molecule definitions are similar (protein first, then lipid, then 
water, and finally ions to neutralize the system).


Hope it helps,
Hadas.
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To: Justin A. Lemkul [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Subject: Re: [gmx-users] how to write the correct top file for 
membraneprotein system?




Dear Justin,

Thanks for you quickly reply.

I have tried before to comment out the section of [ defaults ] in the next 
itp file, but still too many warnings and final crashed.
And i think it would not be the best method to solve this problem, because 
i have to use ffgmx.itp to deal with DPPC.


Is there any other method i can try?

Thanks

Liang

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users gmx-users@gromacs.org

Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2007 12:23 PM
Subject: Re: [gmx-users] how to write the correct top file for membrane 
protein system?




Quoting liang [EMAIL PROTECTED]:


Dear User,

i try to perform simulation on membrane protein ( proterin + DPPC ).
And i use OPLS for protein, Berger force field for DPPC.
But after i construct this system, i cannot obtain tpr file by using 
grompp.


Here is my topol.top :

; protein
#include ffoplsaa.itp
#include protein-opls.itp

; membrane
#include ffgmx.itp
#include lipid.itp
#include dppc.itp

; Include water topology
#include spc.itp

[ system ]
; name
Membrane in water

[ molecules ]
; name  number
Protein1
DPPC  123
SOL 14189

here is the result:




Fatal error:
Invalid order for directive defaults, file
/home/gmx331/share/gromacs/top/ffgmx.itp, line 4




I suspect it is a result of using two different force fields.  The [ 
defaults ]
will be defined in the first force field (in your case, ffoplsaa.itp), 
but then

grompp is finding a second [ defaults ] in ffgmx.itp.  See here:

http://wiki.gromacs.org/index.php/Errors#Found_a_second_defaults_directive_file

-Justin



Could you please give me some suggestion?  i appreciate your help.

Thanks so much!






Justin A. Lemkul
Graduate Research Assistant
Department of Biochemistry
Virginia Tech
Blacksburg, VA
[EMAIL PROTECTED] | (540) 231-9080
http://www.bevanlab.biochem.vt.edu/Pages/Personal/justin/





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Re: [gmx-users] how to deduce charges for gromos forcefield?

2007-11-25 Thread David van der Spoel

Q733 wrote:
Dear gmx-users, I want to develop an itp file for an organic molecule 
which has 87 atoms. I deduced the charge using the common Resp 
procedure with RED-III tool.However , I am not quite sure if the Resp 
charge or Esp charge can be used in Gromos forcefield, if not, how does 
Gromos forcefied deduce its charge distribution?


empirically.


Any suggestion will be appreciated, thanks in advance.







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Re: [gmx-users] grompp

2007-11-25 Thread Tsjerk Wassenaar
Hi Jestin,

Read chapter 5 thoroughly :)
It seems that in your topology file (minding the #includes) the directive [
system ] is given too early, e.g. before the definition of the [
moleculetypes ].

Tsjerk

On 25 Nov 2007 05:51:50 -, JMandumpal [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Dear Gromacs users,

 When I tried to build up  .tpr file for running energy minimisation, I
 encountered some problems:

 This is the command I used:


 grompp -f em.mdp -p topol.top -c out.gro -o pr.tpr


 and I received the following error message:

 Fatal error:
 Invalid order for directive system, file topol.top, line 4
 ---


 How can I solve this?


 regards,
 Jestin Mandumpal



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Re: [gmx-users] area by lipid

2007-11-25 Thread maite lopez cabezas
Well I know that the x/y directions are scaled isotropically and the z
direction is scaled independiently, and i must give just 2
compresibility valors, but people don't give this valor in the most of
the papers about membrane simulations. For example i use
on  DPPC membrane
compressibility  =4.5e-5 4.5e-5
 ref-p= 1.0 1.0

the area change from 0.64 to 0.62. When i use the same parameter on
POPG or POPC bilayer  the system is exploding. If i change to
on POPC and POPG
compressibility  =1.0e-5  4.5e-5
 ref-p= 1.0 1.0

it gives areas about 0.639 (POPC) and 0.53 (POPG). The POPG area is
according to Atomic-scale structure and electrostatics of anionic
POPG lipid bilayers with Na+ counterions, W. Zhao, T. Rog, A.A.
Gurtovenko, I. Vattulainen, and M. Karttunen, Biophys J. 92, 1114-1124
(2007), and I'm using the same temperature. But the POPC area isn't
good.

My questions are:

Can i use  compressibility =0 4.5e-5 and  ref-p = 0 1.0 on
peptide-membrane systems? (at first the peptide is about 10 A to the
bilayer interface and after it's inserting in the membrane)

What are the correct valors for the compressibility on membrane systems?

Thanks a lot,

Maité


On Nov 24, 2007 10:27 PM, Mark Abraham [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Hi:
 
  I am working on membrane simulation under lipid (DPPC, from Peter
  Tieleman group site). I equilibrated dppc membrane for 10 ns and when
  i got the area by lipid (x*y/ # lipids) using g_energy, i obtained
  that the area is constant (0.64), there isn't any fluctuaction during
  10 ns..althougth the volumen isn't constant.
  What's wrong in this simulation?

 Did you notice that your box dimensions are not changing in X and Y
 directions? Do you understand what semiisotropic pressure coupling does?

 Mark


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Re: [gmx-users] how to write the correct top file for membraneprotein system?

2007-11-25 Thread liang
Hi Hadas,

i have tried to use gromos87 for protein, everything is ok. (just with 
ffgmx.itp)
but if i use opls for protein, i have to add ffoplsaa.itp in top file, 
otherwise it cannot provide some parameters for protein.
Did you use gromos87 to generate your protein itp files (chain_A .itp ...) ?

Thanks

Liang

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From: Hadas Leonov [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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gmx-users@gromacs.org
Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2007 5:26 PM
Subject: Re: [gmx-users] how to write the correct top file for membraneprotein 
system?


 Hi Liang,
 
 Do you have to define ffoplsaa.itp in your top file? isn't it enough to 
 generate your protein topology with the OPLS forcefield using pdb2gmx and 
 include the protein's generated itp files?
 
 I don't use OPLS, but my own definition of the .top file goes like this:
 
 ; generic + lipid topology
 #include ffgmx.itp
 #include lipid.itp
 #include dmpc.itp
 #include ions.itp
 
 ; protein
 #include chain_A.itp
 #include chain_B.itp
 #include chain_C.itp
 #include chain_D.itp
 
 ; water
 #include spc.itp
 
 Rest of my molecule definitions are similar (protein first, then lipid, then 
 water, and finally ions to neutralize the system).
 
 Hope it helps,
 Hadas.
 - Original Message - 
 From: liang [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: Justin A. Lemkul [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Cc: gmx-users@gromacs.org
 Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2007 7:41 AM
 Subject: Re: [gmx-users] how to write the correct top file for 
 membraneprotein system?
 
 
 Dear Justin,

 Thanks for you quickly reply.

 I have tried before to comment out the section of [ defaults ] in the next 
 itp file, but still too many warnings and final crashed.
 And i think it would not be the best method to solve this problem, because 
 i have to use ffgmx.itp to deal with DPPC.

 Is there any other method i can try?

 Thanks

 Liang

 - Original Message - 
 From: Justin A. Lemkul [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: liang [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Discussion list for GROMACS 
 users gmx-users@gromacs.org
 Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2007 12:23 PM
 Subject: Re: [gmx-users] how to write the correct top file for membrane 
 protein system?


 Quoting liang [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

 Dear User,

 i try to perform simulation on membrane protein ( proterin + DPPC ).
 And i use OPLS for protein, Berger force field for DPPC.
 But after i construct this system, i cannot obtain tpr file by using 
 grompp.

 Here is my topol.top :

 ; protein
 #include ffoplsaa.itp
 #include protein-opls.itp

 ; membrane
 #include ffgmx.itp
 #include lipid.itp
 #include dppc.itp

 ; Include water topology
 #include spc.itp

 [ system ]
 ; name
 Membrane in water

 [ molecules ]
 ; name  number
 Protein1
 DPPC  123
 SOL 14189

 here is the result:

 
 Fatal error:
 Invalid order for directive defaults, file
 /home/gmx331/share/gromacs/top/ffgmx.itp, line 4

 

 I suspect it is a result of using two different force fields.  The [ 
 defaults ]
 will be defined in the first force field (in your case, ffoplsaa.itp), 
 but then
 grompp is finding a second [ defaults ] in ffgmx.itp.  See here:

 http://wiki.gromacs.org/index.php/Errors#Found_a_second_defaults_directive_file

 -Justin


 Could you please give me some suggestion?  i appreciate your help.

 Thanks so much!



 

 Justin A. Lemkul
 Graduate Research Assistant
 Department of Biochemistry
 Virginia Tech
 Blacksburg, VA
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] | (540) 231-9080
 http://www.bevanlab.biochem.vt.edu/Pages/Personal/justin/

 


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Re: [gmx-users] grompp

2007-11-25 Thread Mark Abraham
 Dear Gromacs users,

 When I tried to build up  .tpr file for running energy minimisation, I
 encountered some problems:

 This is the command I used:


  grompp -f em.mdp -p topol.top -c out.gro -o pr.tpr


 and I received the following error message:

 Fatal error:
 Invalid order for directive system, file topol.top, line 4
 ---


 How can I solve this?

http://wiki.gromacs.org/index.php/Errors#Invalid_order_for_directive_defaults

Read chapter 5 of the manual.

Mark

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Re: [gmx-users] how to write the correct top file for membrane protein system?

2007-11-25 Thread Mark Abraham
 Dear Justin,

 Thanks for you quickly reply.

 I have tried before to comment out the section of [ defaults ] in the next
 itp file, but still too many warnings and final crashed.
 And i think it would not be the best method to solve this problem, because
 i
 have to use ffgmx.itp to deal with DPPC.

 Is there any other method i can try?

Don't mix forcefields unless you already have hard evidence that this
combination works - and I'm not aware of any. The link Justin provided
warns you about that. You need to find a force field that has parameters
optimized that suit your system. Mixing anything else is about 99% likely
to make an expensive (and poor) random number generator.

Mark

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Re: [gmx-users] how to write the correct top file for membraneprotein system?

2007-11-25 Thread Mark Abraham
 Hi Liang,

 Do you have to define ffoplsaa.itp in your top file? isn't it enough to
 generate your protein topology with the OPLS forcefield using pdb2gmx and
 include the protein's generated itp files?

No, because the .itp file is not self-contained. It is a topology for use
with a particular forcefield, and requires the ability to look up values
like atom types that are defined for that force field. This is a *good
thing* because it inhibits people from mixing and matching forcefields for
different parts of their system.

Mark

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Re: [gmx-users] how to write the correct top file for membraneprotein system?

2007-11-25 Thread Hadas Leonov
Yes, I used GROMOS87. Although it's deprecated now and I'm not sure
which ff to switch to. 

Hadas.

On Sun, 2007-11-25 at 19:03 +0800, liang wrote:
 Hi Hadas,
 
 i have tried to use gromos87 for protein, everything is ok. (just with 
 ffgmx.itp)
 but if i use opls for protein, i have to add ffoplsaa.itp in top file, 
 otherwise it cannot provide some parameters for protein.
 Did you use gromos87 to generate your protein itp files (chain_A .itp ...) ?
 
 Thanks
 
 Liang
 
 - Original Message - 
 From: Hadas Leonov [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: liang [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Discussion list for GROMACS users 
 gmx-users@gromacs.org
 Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2007 5:26 PM
 Subject: Re: [gmx-users] how to write the correct top file for 
 membraneprotein system?
 
 
  Hi Liang,
  
  Do you have to define ffoplsaa.itp in your top file? isn't it enough to 
  generate your protein topology with the OPLS forcefield using pdb2gmx and 
  include the protein's generated itp files?
  
  I don't use OPLS, but my own definition of the .top file goes like this:
  
  ; generic + lipid topology
  #include ffgmx.itp
  #include lipid.itp
  #include dmpc.itp
  #include ions.itp
  
  ; protein
  #include chain_A.itp
  #include chain_B.itp
  #include chain_C.itp
  #include chain_D.itp
  
  ; water
  #include spc.itp
  
  Rest of my molecule definitions are similar (protein first, then lipid, 
  then 
  water, and finally ions to neutralize the system).
  
  Hope it helps,
  Hadas.
  - Original Message - 
  From: liang [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  To: Justin A. Lemkul [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Cc: gmx-users@gromacs.org
  Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2007 7:41 AM
  Subject: Re: [gmx-users] how to write the correct top file for 
  membraneprotein system?
  
  
  Dear Justin,
 
  Thanks for you quickly reply.
 
  I have tried before to comment out the section of [ defaults ] in the next 
  itp file, but still too many warnings and final crashed.
  And i think it would not be the best method to solve this problem, because 
  i have to use ffgmx.itp to deal with DPPC.
 
  Is there any other method i can try?
 
  Thanks
 
  Liang
 
  - Original Message - 
  From: Justin A. Lemkul [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  To: liang [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Discussion list for GROMACS 
  users gmx-users@gromacs.org
  Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2007 12:23 PM
  Subject: Re: [gmx-users] how to write the correct top file for membrane 
  protein system?
 
 
  Quoting liang [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 
  Dear User,
 
  i try to perform simulation on membrane protein ( proterin + DPPC ).
  And i use OPLS for protein, Berger force field for DPPC.
  But after i construct this system, i cannot obtain tpr file by using 
  grompp.
 
  Here is my topol.top :
 
  ; protein
  #include ffoplsaa.itp
  #include protein-opls.itp
 
  ; membrane
  #include ffgmx.itp
  #include lipid.itp
  #include dppc.itp
 
  ; Include water topology
  #include spc.itp
 
  [ system ]
  ; name
  Membrane in water
 
  [ molecules ]
  ; name  number
  Protein1
  DPPC  123
  SOL 14189
 
  here is the result:
 
  
  Fatal error:
  Invalid order for directive defaults, file
  /home/gmx331/share/gromacs/top/ffgmx.itp, line 4
 
  
 
  I suspect it is a result of using two different force fields.  The [ 
  defaults ]
  will be defined in the first force field (in your case, ffoplsaa.itp), 
  but then
  grompp is finding a second [ defaults ] in ffgmx.itp.  See here:
 
  http://wiki.gromacs.org/index.php/Errors#Found_a_second_defaults_directive_file
 
  -Justin
 
 
  Could you please give me some suggestion?  i appreciate your help.
 
  Thanks so much!
 
 
 
  
 
  Justin A. Lemkul
  Graduate Research Assistant
  Department of Biochemistry
  Virginia Tech
  Blacksburg, VA
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] | (540) 231-9080
  http://www.bevanlab.biochem.vt.edu/Pages/Personal/justin/
 
  
 
 
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[gmx-users] Problem with replica exchange in vacuum

2007-11-25 Thread OZGE ENGIN
Hi all,

I am performing a REMD simulation in vacuum. Although I minimized the energy of 
each initial replica by using a stringent convergence criterion, after the the 
third attempt, the system exploided because of a huge deviation in the Lincs 
algorithm.

Although I started to the simulation via low-energy structures, what may be the 
probable reason for this? Is it because of vacuum?

Thank you

Ozge



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[gmx-users] Problem with replica exchange in vacuum

2007-11-25 Thread OZGE ENGIN
Hi all,

I am performing a REMD simulation in vacuum. Although I minimized the energy of 
each initial replica by using a stringent convergence criterion, after the the 
third attempt, the system exploided because of a huge deviation in the Lincs 
algorithm.

Although I started to the simulation via low-energy structures, what may be the 
probable reason for this? Is it because of vacuum?

Thank you

Ozge



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Re: [gmx-users] Problem with replica exchange in vacuum

2007-11-25 Thread Xavier Periole

On Sun, 25 Nov 2007 19:00:47 +0200
 OZGE ENGIN [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Hi all,

I am performing a REMD simulation in vacuum. Although I minimized the energy 
of each initial replica by using a stringent convergence criterion, after the 
the third attempt, the system exploided because of a huge deviation in the 
Lincs algorithm. 


What is the range of temperature you use? What time step you use?
At high temperature you need do decrease the integration time
step to avoid the increase of integration error due to the temperature.

Such a simulation, REMD in vacuo, is typically what you do not want
to do. You might think that you'll increase your sampling and thus
have better statistics. This won't give you any realistic picture of
your system.

At least put a continuum model! Even though ...

XAvier

Although I started to the simulation via low-energy structures, what may be 
the probable reason for this? Is it because of vacuum?


Thank you 


Ozge



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[gmx-users] Re: how to write the correct top file for membrane protein

2007-11-25 Thread liang

Dear Mark,

Thanks for your advice, but from my understanding, Berger's force field is 
based on OPLS/Amber.
Lipid itp files from Tieleman's website just use the atom type definitions 
from GROMOS87.

And GROMOS87 is out of fashion now.
So thats why i think it would be better to use OPLS for protein and 
ffgmx.itp for lipids.
I am not sure whether I misunderstand the usage of Berger's force field, if 
i am wrong,

please give me further instruction.

I hope it would not be bothering you.  Thanks so much!

Liang




Dear Justin,

Thanks for you quickly reply.

I have tried before to comment out the section of [ defaults ] in the 
next

itp file, but still too many warnings and final crashed.
And i think it would not be the best method to solve this problem, 
because

i
have to use ffgmx.itp to deal with DPPC.

Is there any other method i can try?


Don't mix forcefields unless you already have hard evidence that this
combination works - and I'm not aware of any. The link Justin provided
warns you about that. You need to find a force field that has parameters
optimized that suit your system. Mixing anything else is about 99% likely
to make an expensive (and poor) random number generator.

Mark




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Re: [gmx-users] Re: how to write the correct top file for membrane protein

2007-11-25 Thread Mark Abraham

liang wrote:

Dear Mark,

Thanks for your advice, but from my understanding, Berger's force field 
is based on OPLS/Amber.
Lipid itp files from Tieleman's website just use the atom type 
definitions from GROMOS87.

And GROMOS87 is out of fashion now.
So thats why i think it would be better to use OPLS for protein and 
ffgmx.itp for lipid.


Fine, but you can't use them both at the same time (unless you want to 
produce indefensible gibberish), and ffgmx is deprecated anyway.


I am not sure whether I misunderstand the usage of Berger's force field, 
if i am wrong,

please give me further instruction.


See my advice last time.


Don't mix forcefields unless you already have hard evidence that this
combination works - and I'm not aware of any. The link Justin provided
warns you about that. You need to find a force field that has parameters
optimized that suit your system. Mixing anything else is about 99% likely
to make an expensive (and poor) random number generator.


Look in the literature for systems similar to yours and see if their 
ideas on force fields are suitable for you to use. Making it up based on 
stuff you found on the web is for high school students doing assignments :-)


Mark
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