[gmx-users] table extension

2009-08-26 Thread Omer Markovitch
Dear GMXs,
I would like to clear something out, for myself:
The table extension given in MDP file applies to nonbond_params  pairs
interactions which are specified in the TOP file (and also electrostatics)?
Is there an interaction which does not use the table extension (other then
bonds, angles  dihdrals)?
I have read the manual.
Thanks, Omer.
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[gmx-users] molecule ouside water box

2009-08-26 Thread Stefano Meliga
Hi gmx users,

I defined an octahedral box with this line:

$grxdir/editconf -f 1AKEallH.gro -o 1AKEallHbox.gro -bt octahedron -d 0.6

and then I solvated my protein with SPC water model:

$grxdir/genbox -cp 1AKEallHbox.gro -p 1AKEallH.top -o 1AKEallHsol.gro -cs


I am now watching the trajectory of an MD simulation with a molecular
visualisation software (VMD) and I noticed 2 unexpected things:

1) part of the molecule is outside the box

2) the box is cubic

Although the molecule is out of the box, the periodic boundary
conditions should ensure a correct behaviour, still, why is it cubic?

Note: after solvation, the system was neutralised with genion, then an
EM steep, an EM cg and a all-bonds constrained MD were performed
before the actual MD.

Any ideas?

Thanks,

Stefano
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Re: [gmx-users] molecule ouside water box

2009-08-26 Thread Justin A. Lemkul



Stefano Meliga wrote:

Hi gmx users,

I defined an octahedral box with this line:

$grxdir/editconf -f 1AKEallH.gro -o 1AKEallHbox.gro -bt octahedron -d 0.6

and then I solvated my protein with SPC water model:

$grxdir/genbox -cp 1AKEallHbox.gro -p 1AKEallH.top -o 1AKEallHsol.gro -cs


I am now watching the trajectory of an MD simulation with a molecular
visualisation software (VMD) and I noticed 2 unexpected things:

1) part of the molecule is outside the box

2) the box is cubic

Although the molecule is out of the box, the periodic boundary
conditions should ensure a correct behaviour, still, why is it cubic?



Right, because in a periodic system, there is no outside, nor are there edges.

The cubic appearance of the box is simply a visualization issue.  You can 
retrieve your true box shape by using trjconv -pbc mol -ur compact.


-Justin


Note: after solvation, the system was neutralised with genion, then an
EM steep, an EM cg and a all-bonds constrained MD were performed
before the actual MD.

Any ideas?

Thanks,

Stefano
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[gmx-users] Re: HEME-cysteine gromacs simulation (zimohmily)

2009-08-26 Thread 郭建路
Thanks both Mark and chris.ne...@utoronto.ca 's advises. Listening to these 
words of yours,is better than learning for ten years. Most people uses the 
AMBER force field to run HEME simulation,I should focus on suitable force field 
and associated correct parameters.thanks 

   1. Re: HEME-cysteine gromacs simulation 
   2. HEME-cysteine gromacs simulation (chris.ne...@utoronto.ca)

Message: 1(Mark Abraham)
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 12:46:24 +1000
From: Mark Abraham mark.abra...@anu.edu.au
Subject: Re: [gmx-users] HEME-cysteine gromacs simulation

Visualization programs have to use heuristics to guess where bonds are 
and what names occur for which atoms (HG1 might be mercury or the first 
hydrogen on a gamma carbon, NE might be neon or an epsilon nitrogen, 
etc.). Only if you are able to read in a .tpr (such as with ngmx 
distributed inside GROMACS) can you get any visual confirmation of what 
GROMACS thinks you have described in your topology. There is no 
standardized widely-used mechanism for including such information in a 
PDB file, and so such usage of a file is unreliable.


Read the .log files as well. GROMACS almost never segfaults (except when 
subjected to buggy MPI libraries), and when it does it will normally 
write some diagnostic information to stdout or the .log file.

Sorry, I can't help there.

 please help me how handle those problems,how can i go on the simulation?
Mark

Message: 2
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 23:10:17 -0400
From: chris.ne...@utoronto.ca
Subject: [gmx-users] HEME-cysteine gromacs simulation

You always need a correct topology. The main issue here is that you  
need to have correct parameters. Where did you get your heme and Fe  
parameters? Were you careful about the Fe state oxidation state? I  
suspect that most people use Amber because of their antechamber  
program, which seems like a brilliant idea even if it may overstretch  
it's own parameterization without letting you know. I have no specific  
advice for you here beyond saying that it is worth spending a month  
figuring out what parameters you should really be using (hint: why  
would you be using ffG43a1 if most others use Amber here? do you know  
something that they don't?). This will end up saving you time in the  
long run.

Note that ffG43a1 is the GROMOS forcefield, not the  GROMACS  
forcefield. It is unfortunate that many programs (Amber, Charmm,  
gromacs) have their own similarly named forcefield, but that does not  
mean that the forcefield must be used with the associated program.  
There are forcefields that are not associated with a program (OPLS)  
and programs that never developed their own force field (NAMD,  
Desmond, Tinker, LAMMPS), so it is perfectly ok for you to use the  
amber forcefield with the gromacs program.

Bottom line: read, read, read.

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Re: [gmx-users] table extension

2009-08-26 Thread Mark Abraham

Omer Markovitch wrote:

Dear GMXs,
I would like to clear something out, for myself:
The table extension given in MDP file applies to nonbond_params  pairs
interactions which are specified in the TOP file (and also electrostatics)?


From 7.3.12, yes. These are the nonbonded interactions.


Is there an interaction which does not use the table extension (other then
bonds, angles  dihdrals)?


Probably not... if you're asking this question because you suspect 
something's not working properly, you might get enlightenment/a fix 
quicker if you're more explicit :-)


Mark
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[gmx-users] Converting pdb to Amber (to use with ffamber99)

2009-08-26 Thread Nehme El Hachem

Hi all,

I am looking for a simple way to convert amino acid and nucleic  
residues from the PDB standard to the AMBER Nomenclature (to use with  
ffamber99 in GROMACS).

Your help is appreciated.

Nehme.

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Re: [gmx-users] Converting pdb to Amber (to use with ffamber99)

2009-08-26 Thread Justin A. Lemkul



Nehme El Hachem wrote:

Hi all,

I am looking for a simple way to convert amino acid and nucleic residues 
from the PDB standard to the AMBER Nomenclature (to use with ffamber99 
in GROMACS).

Your help is appreciated.



Simple scripting (like Perl) or shell commands (vi, emacs editors or sed).

-Justin


Nehme.

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[gmx-users] Exploding poly-serine

2009-08-26 Thread Warren Gallin

Hi,

	I am trying to work my way through learning to use GROMACS 4.0.5 for  
doing MD simulations of short peptides in solution.


	My problem is that several peptides, most strikingly a Serine 10-mer,  
are exploding during the production run.


	I construct the serine polymer in extended form using TINKER, with  
neither end capped, then use pdb2gmx, editconv, genbox and genion to  
set the forcefield to OPLSAA/L, place it in a box of tip3p water,  
neutralized in a .096 M NaCl solution.


	I am trying to track down why this is occurring, and the first thing  
that seems suspicious is that the initial energy minimization run  
reaches convergence with a rather large force remaining on one of the  
atoms - the final statement from the EM run is:



Steepest Descents converged to machine precision in 6793 steps,
but did not reach the requested Fmax  10.
Potential Energy  = -4.9731194e+05
Maximum force =  7.1219537e+02 on atom 111
Norm of force =  6.5289087e+00


	So I am thinking that with a large initial force on the polymer the  
system might be unrecoverably unstable and this is propagating through  
the subsequent steps of relaxing the water and the actual MD run to  
pop up as an explosion.


	If I look at the run log for the MD run, everything seems stable  
until the last step, at which point the temperature shoots up and the  
serine polymer explodes.  Here are the last four steps from the run log:


   Step   Time Lambda
 208200  416.400020.0

   Energies (kJ/mol)
   Bond  AngleProper Dih. Ryckaert-Bell.   
LJ-14
9.75158e+031.25586e+027.62176e+00   -6.45482e+01 
1.16773e+02
 Coulomb-14LJ (SR)   Coulomb (SR)   Coul. recip.   
Potential
1.80001e+036.08872e+04   -4.19574e+05   -4.65971e+04
-3.93547e+05
Kinetic En.   Total Energy  Conserved En.Temperature Pressure  
(bar)
7.77043e+04   -3.15843e+051.01418e+063.17587e+02
-2.87690e+02


   Step   Time Lambda
 208300  416.600020.0

   Energies (kJ/mol)
   Bond  AngleProper Dih. Ryckaert-Bell.   
LJ-14
1.04345e+041.96147e+021.55806e+01   -3.31126e+01 
1.24787e+02
 Coulomb-14LJ (SR)   Coulomb (SR)   Coul. recip.   
Potential
1.80413e+036.08422e+04   -4.19233e+05   -4.66893e+04
-3.92538e+05
Kinetic En.   Total Energy  Conserved En.Temperature Pressure  
(bar)
7.77229e+04   -3.14815e+051.02114e+063.17663e+02
-2.94492e+02


   Step   Time Lambda
 208400  416.800020.0

   Energies (kJ/mol)
   Bond  AngleProper Dih. Ryckaert-Bell.   
LJ-14
7.10106e+032.06975e+021.21357e+01   -2.52705e+01 
1.16229e+02
 Coulomb-14LJ (SR)   Coulomb (SR)   Coul. recip.   
Potential
1.85247e+036.04882e+04   -4.18865e+05   -4.67103e+04
-3.95824e+05
Kinetic En.   Total Energy  Conserved En.Temperature Pressure  
(bar)
7.58806e+04   -3.19943e+051.02333e+063.10133e+02
-2.90942e+02


   Step   Time Lambda
 208500  417.20.0

   Energies (kJ/mol)
   Bond  AngleProper Dih. Ryckaert-Bell.   
LJ-14
2.30968e+044.27637e+021.17359e+01   -5.59373e+01 
1.39477e+02
 Coulomb-14LJ (SR)   Coulomb (SR)   Coul. recip.   
Potential
1.80067e+036.20751e+04   -4.20609e+05   -4.67193e+04
-3.79833e+05
Kinetic En.   Total Energy  Conserved En.Temperature Pressure  
(bar)
1.03323e+05   -2.76511e+051.07569e+064.22292e+02 
2.94766e+02


   So my questions are:

1) Am I missing some obvious step in setting up a stable simulation?
	2) Is it true that the high internal force present at the end of the  
initial energy minimization could be the root of the problem?
	3) If so, is there an obvious method for relaxing the system into a  
more stable state prior to the main MD run?


Warren Gallin
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Re: [gmx-users] Exploding poly-serine

2009-08-26 Thread David van der Spoel

Warren Gallin wrote:

Hi,

I am trying to work my way through learning to use GROMACS 4.0.5 for 
doing MD simulations of short peptides in solution.


My problem is that several peptides, most strikingly a Serine 
10-mer, are exploding during the production run.


I construct the serine polymer in extended form using TINKER, with 
neither end capped, then use pdb2gmx, editconv, genbox and genion to set 
the forcefield to OPLSAA/L, place it in a box of tip3p water, 
neutralized in a .096 M NaCl solution.


I am trying to track down why this is occurring, and the first thing 
that seems suspicious is that the initial energy minimization run 
reaches convergence with a rather large force remaining on one of the 
atoms - the final statement from the EM run is:



Steepest Descents converged to machine precision in 6793 steps,
but did not reach the requested Fmax  10.
Potential Energy  = -4.9731194e+05
Maximum force =  7.1219537e+02 on atom 111
Norm of force =  6.5289087e+00


So I am thinking that with a large initial force on the polymer the 
system might be unrecoverably unstable and this is propagating through 
the subsequent steps of relaxing the water and the actual MD run to pop 
up as an explosion.


If I look at the run log for the MD run, everything seems stable 
until the last step, at which point the temperature shoots up and the 
serine polymer explodes.  Here are the last four steps from the run log:


   Step   Time Lambda
 208200  416.400020.0

   Energies (kJ/mol)
   Bond  AngleProper Dih. Ryckaert-Bell.  LJ-14
9.75158e+031.25586e+027.62176e+00   -6.45482e+011.16773e+02
 Coulomb-14LJ (SR)   Coulomb (SR)   Coul. recip.  Potential
1.80001e+036.08872e+04   -4.19574e+05   -4.65971e+04   -3.93547e+05
Kinetic En.   Total Energy  Conserved En.Temperature Pressure (bar)
7.77043e+04   -3.15843e+051.01418e+063.17587e+02   -2.87690e+02

   Step   Time Lambda
 208300  416.600020.0

   Energies (kJ/mol)
   Bond  AngleProper Dih. Ryckaert-Bell.  LJ-14
1.04345e+041.96147e+021.55806e+01   -3.31126e+011.24787e+02
 Coulomb-14LJ (SR)   Coulomb (SR)   Coul. recip.  Potential
1.80413e+036.08422e+04   -4.19233e+05   -4.66893e+04   -3.92538e+05
Kinetic En.   Total Energy  Conserved En.Temperature Pressure (bar)
7.77229e+04   -3.14815e+051.02114e+063.17663e+02   -2.94492e+02

   Step   Time Lambda
 208400  416.800020.0

   Energies (kJ/mol)
   Bond  AngleProper Dih. Ryckaert-Bell.  LJ-14
7.10106e+032.06975e+021.21357e+01   -2.52705e+011.16229e+02
 Coulomb-14LJ (SR)   Coulomb (SR)   Coul. recip.  Potential
1.85247e+036.04882e+04   -4.18865e+05   -4.67103e+04   -3.95824e+05
Kinetic En.   Total Energy  Conserved En.Temperature Pressure (bar)
7.58806e+04   -3.19943e+051.02333e+063.10133e+02   -2.90942e+02

   Step   Time Lambda
 208500  417.20.0

   Energies (kJ/mol)
   Bond  AngleProper Dih. Ryckaert-Bell.  LJ-14
2.30968e+044.27637e+021.17359e+01   -5.59373e+011.39477e+02
 Coulomb-14LJ (SR)   Coulomb (SR)   Coul. recip.  Potential
1.80067e+036.20751e+04   -4.20609e+05   -4.67193e+04   -3.79833e+05
Kinetic En.   Total Energy  Conserved En.Temperature Pressure (bar)
1.03323e+05   -2.76511e+051.07569e+064.22292e+022.94766e+02

   So my questions are:

1) Am I missing some obvious step in setting up a stable simulation?
2) Is it true that the high internal force present at the end of the 
initial energy minimization could be the root of the problem?
3) If so, is there an obvious method for relaxing the system into a 
more stable state prior to the main MD run?




What time step are you using? Since you are not using bond-constraints 
the time step should be on the order of 0.5 fs.



Warren Gallin
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Re: [gmx-users] LINCS

2009-08-26 Thread teklebrh

Hi Justin,

I tried to run full MD after energy minimization in both vacuo and  
water... went good but I got this ERROR once I try to run full MD.


Can you please help.

=
Step 0, time 0 (ps)  LINCS WARNING
relative constraint deviation after LINCS:
rms 0.014761, max 0.067846 (between atoms 416 and 417)
bonds that rotated more than 30 degrees:
 atom 1 atom 2  angle  previous, current, constraint length
starting mdrun 'VioLanthrone in water'
5 steps,100.0 ps.

Step 0, time 0 (ps)  LINCS WARNING
relative constraint deviation after LINCS:
rms 336.210453, max 3218.528809 (between atoms 415 and 416)
bonds that rotated more than 30 degrees:
 atom 1 atom 2  angle  previous, current, constraint length
 70 71   41.80.1530   0.2361  0.1530
 69 70  121.00.1531   1.9697  0.1530
 67 68  156.30.1624   8.0600  0.1530
 66 67   64.60.1621  29.2909  0.1530
 65 66  108.70.1578  35.0944  0.1530
 64 65   72.80.1591  33.9603  0.1530
 63 64  127.80.1603   5.8064  0.1530
 61 62  131.80.1531   0.3537  0.1530
 60 61   57.10.1530   0.1243  0.1530
286285   38.10.1368   0.1513  0.1360
284285   93.80.1385   0.3739  0.1360
283284   91.30.1443   1.0202  0.1390
282283   78.90.1452   7.6810  0.1390
281282   80.30.1448   9.0651  0.1390
279281   80.60.1446   3.3017  0.1390
279280  139.20.1440   0.7653  0.1390
278279   74.60.1430  11.7061  0.1390
278277   88.70.1423   9.9988  0.1390
276277   48.80.1410   1.5366  0.1390
275276   90.10.1396   4.7914  0.1390
274275   87.30.1405  18.6892  0.1390
273278   86.50.1423   6.0358  0.1390
273274   89.50.1413  19.8101  0.1390
271273   74.40.1422   6.3080  0.1390
271272   93.50.1258   8.1775  0.1230
270281   68.10.1445   2.5745  0.1390
270271   93.40.1431   8.6284  0.1390
270269   71.40.1414   1.5530  0.1390
268269   80.60.1406   6.4334  0.1390
267282   67.50.1443  25.7157  0.1390
267268   68.70.1427  28.0430  0.1390
266267   86.10.1436  72.5722  0.1390
266265   84.80.1422 222.9021  0.1390
264265   90.40.1408 390.2640  0.1390
263264   86.20.1415 393.1811  0.1390
261263   96.60.1433  30.2353  0.1390
261262   56.10.1257  22.0580  0.1230
260261   60.50.1428  22.8828  0.1390
260259   88.40.1411   1.0891  0.1390
257258  114.80.1394   0.3860  0.1390
256257  132.50.1399   0.2469  0.1390
255260   78.10.1426   1.3243  0.1390
255256   45.50.1414   0.7532  0.1390
253263   65.50.1447  32.5754  0.1390
252266   80.30.1448  71.8742  0.1390
252253   64.60.1449  14.7647  0.1390
251252   76.80.1449  18.2314  0.1390
254250   65.10.1428   1.7857  0.1390
249251   75.90.1440   2.1153  0.1390
249250   53.40.1426   0.1141  0.1390
249248   32.30.1388   0.1975  0.1360
438437   37.10.1366   0.1946  0.1360
436437  127.50.1377   2.6510  0.1360
434435   66.80.1428   4.2026  0.1390
433434  163.90.1415   2.0503  0.1390
436432  123.30.1406   2.7198  0.1390
420421  128.40.1398   2.1740  0.1390
419434   48.90.1421   1.2412  0.1390
418419  163.90.1432  18.4852  0.1390
418417   52.70.1431  31.4670  0.1390
416417  147.50.1484 136.8367  0.1390
415416   58.20.1449 447.5145  0.1390
413415  152.00.1475 331.5535  0.1390
413414   56.70.1261 283.8908  0.1230
412413   62.30.1446 272.3644  0.1390
412411  168.80.1449  54.1788  0.1390
409410  137.20.1402   4.5705  0.1390
408409   65.30.1430   1.8876  0.1390
407412  119.80.1459  25.1600  0.1390
407408   85.40.1446  14.0232  0.1390
406407   56.40.1469  17.4775  0.1390
405415   63.30.1460 430.7261  0.1390
405406   92.70.1471  85.9366  0.1390
404418   61.00.1462  49.7659  0.1390
404405  157.20.1470 116.1591  0.1390
403435  139.30.1448  26.6457  0.1390
406402  121.80.1454   5.0911  0.1390
401403   98.20.1445  23.9140  0.1390
401402   64.20.1449   0.5887  0.1390
401400  117.10.1385   

Re: [gmx-users] LINCS

2009-08-26 Thread Justin A. Lemkul



tekle...@ualberta.ca wrote:

Hi Justin,

I tried to run full MD after energy minimization in both vacuo and 
water... went good but I got this ERROR once I try to run full MD.


Can you please help.


There is something physically unrealistic about your model.  That's the case 
whenever you see a LINCS warning.  Without a more complete description of what 
you've done (minimization and equilibration protocol, initial construction of 
the model, etc) and the details of your simulation parameters, there's nothing 
more anyone can really say beyond a guess.


It appears that the wiki is down at the moment, but these pages have useful 
information (when the site comes back up):


http://oldwiki.gromacs.org/index.php/blowing_up
http://oldwiki.gromacs.org/index.php/Errors

And since LINCS errors have been posted thousands of times to the list, the 
archive should have some useful advice as well, so search here:


http://oldwww.gromacs.org/swish-e/search/search2.php

-Justin

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Virginia Tech
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[gmx-users] Problem in Energy minimisation for a rigid body system

2009-08-26 Thread dbiswal
Hi,

I want to do a rigid body simulation for a 7-site model system, where the
center is occupied by a metal ion and the 6 octahedral sites are occupied
by 6 dummy atoms. Initially I tried to simulate a 5-site square planar
rigid body system, where the center is occupied by the metal atom and four
dummy atoms in the 4 corners of square plane. I could successfully
equilibrate my system and proceed with my simulation. While trying to make
my 5-site model, a rigid body, I constrained a bunch of distances between
atoms by using the option constraints = all-bonds option in the .mdp
file and also defining a bunch of improper dihedrals in .itp file. It
worked perfectly and later I wanted to shift to my 7-site model. So in my
old 5-site model, I just added another 2 dummy atoms, one above and
another below the square plane. I tried to make it rigid by constraining
another bunch of distances, the same way as I did it before. However, I'm
not able to perform energy minimization, during which I receive LINCS
WARNING messages. Can you please suggest me, where am I going wrong ? I'm
pasting below  the atoms and bonds directive of .itp file.

[ atoms ]
;   nr   type   resnr   residu   atom  cgnr   charge   mass
1M1   1  SET  M 1 0.0   53.380
2DZ1  1  SET  D11 0.5   3.000
3DZ2  1  SET  D21 0.5   3.000
4DZ3  1  SET  D31 0.5   3.000
5DZ4  1  SET  D41 0.5   3.000
6DZ5  1  SET  D51-0.5   3.000
7DZ6  1  SET  D61 0.5   3.000

[ bonds ]
;  ai  aj  funct   dist   kb
1  2 1 0.06000267520.0
1  3 1 0.06000267520.0
1  4 1 0.06000267520.0
1  5 1 0.06000267520.0
2  3 1 0.08485267520.0
3  4 1 0.08485267520.0
4  5 1 0.08485267520.0
2  5 1 0.08485267520.0
1  6 1 0.02000267520.0
1  7 1 0.02000267520.0
2  6 1 0.06324267520.0
3  6 1 0.06324267520.0
4  6 1 0.06324267520.0
2  7 1 0.06324267520.0
3  7 1 0.06324267520.0



thanks
Debasmita


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[gmx-users] is the D G sol of g_sas useless? why?

2009-08-26 Thread Felipe Villanelo
Hi gmxs,

I'm trying to compute a aproximated D G of binding between two proteins
using a termodynamic cycle, and the D Gsol calculated with g_sas (from 10 ns
dynamics for every situation)
But I had read here, that the value this way calculated is useless why?

Waiting for answer

-

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Universidad de Chile
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Re: [gmx-users] is the D G sol of g_sas useless? why?

2009-08-26 Thread Mark Abraham

Felipe Villanelo wrote:

Hi gmxs,

I'm trying to compute a aproximated D G of binding between two proteins
using a termodynamic cycle, and the D Gsol calculated with g_sas (from 10 ns
dynamics for every situation)
But I had read here, that the value this way calculated is useless why?


If you read it here, provide us a link :-)

Mark
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Re: [gmx-users] Exploding poly-serine

2009-08-26 Thread Mark Abraham

Warren Gallin wrote:

David,

That is probably it, I had a 2-femtosecond step and no bond 
constraints.  Obviously I need to read up on the pros and cons of the 
various restraint regimes.


I guess that would be consistent with the sudden explosion after 
along period of stable running.


Why poly-Ser would be more susceptible to this than poly-Pro, 
poly-Asp or poly-Gly is not obvious to me, but I am sure that there is a 
reason out there somewhere.


If this is the cause, the difference in numerical stability may well not 
be caused by the difference in the residue (i.e. the physical model) but 
in the initial conditions.


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[gmx-users] wierd behavior of mdrun

2009-08-26 Thread Paymon Pirzadeh
I made a .tpr file for my md run without any problems (using the bottom
mdp file). My job submission script is also the same thing I used for
other jobs which had no problems. But now when I submit this .tpr file,
only an empty log file is generated! The qstat of the cluster shows that
the job is running, also the processors are 100% engaged while I have no
outputs!
Here is my mdp file:
 title= Yo
cpp  = cpp
include  = -I../top
define   = -DPOSRES

; Run control

integrator   = md
dt   = 0.001   ;1 fs
nsteps   = 300 ;3 ns
comm_mode= linear
nstcomm  = 1

;Output control

nstxout  = 5000
nstlog   = 5000
nstenergy= 5000
nstxtcout= 1500
nstvout  = 5000
nstfout  = 5000
xtc_grps =
energygrps   =

; Neighbour Searching

nstlist  = 10
ns_type  = grid
rlist= 0.9
pbc  = xyz

; Electrostatistics

coulombtype  = PME
rcoulomb = 0.9
;epsilon_r= 1

; Vdw

vdwtype  = cut-off
rvdw = 1.2
DispCorr = EnerPres

;Ewald

fourierspacing  = 0.12
pme_order   = 4
ewald_rtol  = 1e-6
optimize_fft= yes

; Temperature coupling

tcoupl   = v-rescale
ld_seed  = -1
tc-grps  = System
tau_t= 0.1
ref_t= 275

; Pressure Coupling

Pcoupl   = no
;Pcoupltype   = isotropic
;tau_p= 1.0
;compressibility  = 5.5e-5
;ref_p= 1.0
gen_vel  = yes
gen_temp = 275
gen_seed = 173529
constraint-algorithm = Lincs
constraints  = all-bonds
lincs-order  = 4

I am not sure where things go wrong!

Payman












On Wed, 2009-08-26 at 07:53 +1000, Mark Abraham wrote:
 Paymon Pirzadeh wrote:
  Can I change the charge of Na ion added from +1 to +0.99 to cancel the
  negative charge exactly? Does that hurt science or simulation?
 
 It's probably irrelevant. The representation of decimal numbers on 
 computers can be inexact, such that things like 0.02 added to itself 100 
 times does not pass a test for equality with 2. You may be observing 
 this kind of thing here. Your protein's [atoms] directive has a running 
 count of the total  charge on the molecule - go and read it and see that 
 each residue has an integral charge. Hopefully you can observe where the 
 rounding error might be occurring and you can make a judgement about 
 whether this might be true.
 
 Mark
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Re: [gmx-users] Problem in Energy minimisation for a rigid body system

2009-08-26 Thread Mark Abraham

dbis...@ucalgary.ca wrote:

Hi,

I want to do a rigid body simulation for a 7-site model system, where the
center is occupied by a metal ion and the 6 octahedral sites are occupied
by 6 dummy atoms. Initially I tried to simulate a 5-site square planar
rigid body system, where the center is occupied by the metal atom and four
dummy atoms in the 4 corners of square plane. I could successfully
equilibrate my system and proceed with my simulation. While trying to make
my 5-site model, a rigid body, I constrained a bunch of distances between
atoms by using the option constraints = all-bonds option in the .mdp
file and also defining a bunch of improper dihedrals in .itp file. It
worked perfectly and later I wanted to shift to my 7-site model. So in my
old 5-site model, I just added another 2 dummy atoms, one above and
another below the square plane. I tried to make it rigid by constraining
another bunch of distances, the same way as I did it before. However, I'm
not able to perform energy minimization, during which I receive LINCS
WARNING messages. Can you please suggest me, where am I going wrong ? I'm
pasting below  the atoms and bonds directive of .itp file.

[ atoms ]
;   nr   type   resnr   residu   atom  cgnr   charge   mass
1M1   1  SET  M 1 0.0   53.380
2DZ1  1  SET  D11 0.5   3.000
3DZ2  1  SET  D21 0.5   3.000
4DZ3  1  SET  D31 0.5   3.000
5DZ4  1  SET  D41 0.5   3.000
6DZ5  1  SET  D51-0.5   3.000
7DZ6  1  SET  D61 0.5   3.000

[ bonds ]
;  ai  aj  funct   dist   kb
1  2 1 0.06000267520.0
1  3 1 0.06000267520.0
1  4 1 0.06000267520.0
1  5 1 0.06000267520.0
2  3 1 0.08485267520.0
3  4 1 0.08485267520.0
4  5 1 0.08485267520.0
2  5 1 0.08485267520.0
1  6 1 0.02000267520.0
1  7 1 0.02000267520.0
2  6 1 0.06324267520.0
3  6 1 0.06324267520.0
4  6 1 0.06324267520.0
2  7 1 0.06324267520.0
3  7 1 0.06324267520.0


If the symmetry of the system is to be octahedral, then you should try 
defining a symmetric set of bonds. You've omitted 5-6, 4-7 and 5-7.


Mark
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Re: [gmx-users] wierd behavior of mdrun

2009-08-26 Thread Mark Abraham

Paymon Pirzadeh wrote:

I made a .tpr file for my md run without any problems (using the bottom
mdp file). My job submission script is also the same thing I used for
other jobs which had no problems. But now when I submit this .tpr file,
only an empty log file is generated! The qstat of the cluster shows that
the job is running, also the processors are 100% engaged while I have no
outputs!


Check that a short version of this job runs fine on a local machine. 
Probably you are having some problem with a file system and/or its 
buffering. Inspect your quotas. Talk to your system admins.


Mark


Here is my mdp file:
 title= Yo
cpp  = cpp
include  = -I../top
define   = -DPOSRES

; Run control

integrator   = md
dt   = 0.001   ;1 fs
nsteps   = 300 ;3 ns
comm_mode= linear
nstcomm  = 1

;Output control

nstxout  = 5000
nstlog   = 5000
nstenergy= 5000
nstxtcout= 1500
nstvout  = 5000
nstfout  = 5000
xtc_grps =
energygrps   =

; Neighbour Searching

nstlist  = 10
ns_type  = grid
rlist= 0.9
pbc  = xyz

; Electrostatistics

coulombtype  = PME
rcoulomb = 0.9
;epsilon_r= 1

; Vdw

vdwtype  = cut-off
rvdw = 1.2
DispCorr = EnerPres

;Ewald

fourierspacing  = 0.12
pme_order   = 4
ewald_rtol  = 1e-6
optimize_fft= yes

; Temperature coupling

tcoupl   = v-rescale
ld_seed  = -1
tc-grps  = System
tau_t= 0.1
ref_t= 275

; Pressure Coupling

Pcoupl   = no
;Pcoupltype   = isotropic
;tau_p= 1.0
;compressibility  = 5.5e-5
;ref_p= 1.0
gen_vel  = yes
gen_temp = 275
gen_seed = 173529
constraint-algorithm = Lincs
constraints  = all-bonds
lincs-order  = 4

I am not sure where things go wrong!

Payman












On Wed, 2009-08-26 at 07:53 +1000, Mark Abraham wrote:

Paymon Pirzadeh wrote:

Can I change the charge of Na ion added from +1 to +0.99 to cancel the
negative charge exactly? Does that hurt science or simulation?
It's probably irrelevant. The representation of decimal numbers on 
computers can be inexact, such that things like 0.02 added to itself 100 
times does not pass a test for equality with 2. You may be observing 
this kind of thing here. Your protein's [atoms] directive has a running 
count of the total  charge on the molecule - go and read it and see that 
each residue has an integral charge. Hopefully you can observe where the 
rounding error might be occurring and you can make a judgement about 
whether this might be true.


Mark
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Re: [gmx-users] Problem in Energy minimisation for a rigid body system

2009-08-26 Thread dbiswal
Hi Mark,

Initially I included all the sets of bonds (as you have mentioned). Then I
get the warning message while doing grompp, which says number of
constraints is more (18 as I've defined) than required (it shouldn't be
more than 15). With all the sets of bonds defined also, energy
minimization didn't happen. Later I excluded 5-6, 4-7 and 5-7 from the
list.
However, nothing works.

thanks

 dbis...@ucalgary.ca wrote:
 Hi,

 I want to do a rigid body simulation for a 7-site model system, where
 the
 center is occupied by a metal ion and the 6 octahedral sites are
 occupied
 by 6 dummy atoms. Initially I tried to simulate a 5-site square planar
 rigid body system, where the center is occupied by the metal atom and
 four
 dummy atoms in the 4 corners of square plane. I could successfully
 equilibrate my system and proceed with my simulation. While trying to
 make
 my 5-site model, a rigid body, I constrained a bunch of distances
 between
 atoms by using the option constraints = all-bonds option in the .mdp
 file and also defining a bunch of improper dihedrals in .itp file. It
 worked perfectly and later I wanted to shift to my 7-site model. So in
 my
 old 5-site model, I just added another 2 dummy atoms, one above and
 another below the square plane. I tried to make it rigid by
 constraining
 another bunch of distances, the same way as I did it before. However,
 I'm
 not able to perform energy minimization, during which I receive LINCS
 WARNING messages. Can you please suggest me, where am I going wrong ?
 I'm
 pasting below  the atoms and bonds directive of .itp file.

 [ atoms ]
 ;   nr   type   resnr   residu   atom  cgnr   charge   mass
 1M1   1  SET  M 1 0.0   53.380
 2DZ1  1  SET  D11 0.5   3.000
 3DZ2  1  SET  D21 0.5   3.000
 4DZ3  1  SET  D31 0.5   3.000
 5DZ4  1  SET  D41 0.5   3.000
 6DZ5  1  SET  D51-0.5   3.000
 7DZ6  1  SET  D61 0.5   3.000

 [ bonds ]
 ;  ai  aj  funct   dist   kb
 1  2 1 0.06000267520.0
 1  3 1 0.06000267520.0
 1  4 1 0.06000267520.0
 1  5 1 0.06000267520.0
 2  3 1 0.08485267520.0
 3  4 1 0.08485267520.0
 4  5 1 0.08485267520.0
 2  5 1 0.08485267520.0
 1  6 1 0.02000267520.0
 1  7 1 0.02000267520.0
 2  6 1 0.06324267520.0
 3  6 1 0.06324267520.0
 4  6 1 0.06324267520.0
 2  7 1 0.06324267520.0
 3  7 1 0.06324267520.0

 If the symmetry of the system is to be octahedral, then you should try
 defining a symmetric set of bonds. You've omitted 5-6, 4-7 and 5-7.

 Mark
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