Re: [gmx-users] is the D G sol of g_sas useless? why?

2009-08-27 Thread David van der Spoel

Felipe Villanelo wrote:

Hi gmxs,

I'm trying to compute a aproximated D G of binding between two proteins 
using a termodynamic cycle, and the D Gsol calculated with g_sas (from 
10 ns dynamics for every situation)

But I had read here, that the value this way calculated is useless why?

First you have to check the literature. This calculation is based on a 
paper more than 20 years old, and the main feature of this calculation 
is it's simplicity. Second you have to verify that the calculation is 
done correctly...



Waiting for answer

-

Felipe Villanelo Lizana
Biochemist
Laboratorio de Biología Estructural y Molecular
Universidad de Chile




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[gmx-users] Re: wierd behavior of mdrun

2009-08-27 Thread Vitaly V. Chaban
 I made a .tpr file for my md run without any problems (using the bottom
 mdp file). My job submission script is also the same thing I used for
 other jobs which had no problems. But now when I submit this .tpr file,
 only an empty log file is generated! The qstat of the cluster shows that
 the job is running, also the processors are 100% engaged while I have no
 outputs!

A standard guess: what about trying to run the single-processor job on
the same cluster? Does it run OK?


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Re: [gmx-users] Re: gmx-users Digest, Vol 64, Issue 17

2009-08-27 Thread ilona . baldus


Dear Gerrit,

On the website below you state all basissets were available. I tried  
to use 6-311G* and got an error message stating 6-311G* wasn't  
available. Have you implemented in the meantime? Or is there any extra  
installation package required?

I use gromacs-4.0.5
My question about Frequency calculation was aiming at the necessity of  
calculating the Zero-Point energy. I thought I needed it for getting  
the right energies, since Single Point Calculations only consider the  
absolute minimum, don't they?



Best wishes, Ilona



Quoting Gerrit Groenhof ggro...@gwdg.de:


THere is documentation available in the manual and at
wwwuser.gwdg.de/~ggroenh/qmmm.html

If you need a SP computation, do a zero-step MD run: nsteps=0
Frequencies can only be computed numerically I think, but I never tried
this.

Best,

Gerrit


   7. QMMM settings (ilona.bal...@bioquant.uni-heidelberg.de)



Dear Gerrit,

I am using Gromacs/Gaussian for qmmm-calculations. From the manual I
could only find the instructions for how to use qmmm the normal way,
i.e. fill in the mdp file, but I learned from other Gromacs users that
adding additional keywords was possible. How? Where do I put them?
Is there any documentation available on what the standard settings
are? i.e. every default qm step is a single-point calculation, right?
Is a zero point calculation included yet? If not, how can I change
from SP to frequency calculation?

Best wishes and thanks in advance, Ilona


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Re: [gmx-users] table extension

2009-08-27 Thread Omer Markovitch
Thanks Mark.
I am simulating a dimer in vacuum, and it is my understanding that once a
non-bonded interaction has exceeded the table-extension cutoff this
interaction will NOT be included in the potential for the remaining
simulation, even if it will later come back to a distance within the
table-extension.
Your answer helped me.
It is now a matter of choosing the box dimensions  table extension that
will be reasonable yet not increase the computation time too much.
--Omer.

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Weizmann Institute of Science.
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On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 16:03, Mark Abraham mark.abra...@anu.edu.au wrote:

 Probably not... if you're asking this question because you suspect
 something's not working properly, you might get enlightenment/a fix quicker
 if you're more explicit :-)

 Mark

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RE: [gmx-users] table extension

2009-08-27 Thread Berk Hess

Hi,

No, this is not correct.
A interaction beyond the cut-off + table-extension will get a random energy and 
force
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[gmx-users] optimization of gromacs 4.0.5 on AIX Power6

2009-08-27 Thread Silvia Giuliani

Dear All

Has anybody tried version 4.0.5 on an IBM Power6 (4.7Ghz) cluster?
We have installed the program with the following configure options 
(using fftw we installed separately):


./configure --with-fft=fftw2 --enable-mpi --enable-float CC=mpcc_r 
F77=mpxlf_r CXX=mpCC_r CFLAGS=-O3 -qarch=pwr6 -qtune=pwr6 -qcpluscmt


It compiles and works but the performance is poor compared to our 
Opteron  Cluster (2.6Ghz)
For example with 8 procs for a small protein in water we get 5.8ns/+day 
compared to 9.6 ns/day on the Linux cluster, which is a bit disappointing.
Since there alot of compiler options to play with we would be grateful 
if somebody who has already found a good set would share them with us.


best wishes
Silvia Giuliani

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[gmx-users] grompp.mdp

2009-08-27 Thread abhijit kayal
Hi,
 I am going to analyse the normal mode analysis of n-butane. For this I
donloaded a PDB id .Then opened in wordpad and just took the glu
residue.Opend it on viewerpro and deleted the -COO, NH2,-CH2 portion to make
it n-butane.Then made a pdb file and ran in GROMACS. I suceesfully created
the topology file and did the next steps .But grompp showed the following
error
abhi...@scfbioserver project]$ grompp -v -f em.mdp -c ab.gro -p ab.top -o
ab.tp
r
 :-)  G  R  O  M  A  C  S  (-:
  GROwing Monsters And Cloning Shrimps
:-)  VERSION 4.0.4  (-:

  Written by David van der Spoel, Erik Lindahl, Berk Hess, and others.
   Copyright (c) 1991-2000, University of Groningen, The Netherlands.
 Copyright (c) 2001-2008, The GROMACS development team,
check out http://www.gromacs.org for more information.
 This program is free software; you can redistribute it and/or
  modify it under the terms of the GNU General Public License
 as published by the Free Software Foundation; either version 2
 of the License, or (at your option) any later version.
:-)  grompp  (-:
Option Filename  Type Description

  -f em.mdp  Input, Opt!  grompp input file with MD parameters
 -po  mdout.mdp  Output   grompp input file with MD parameters
  -c ab.gro  InputStructure file: gro g96 pdb tpr tpb tpa
  -r   conf.gro  Input, Opt.  Structure file: gro g96 pdb tpr tpb tpa
 -rb   conf.gro  Input, Opt.  Structure file: gro g96 pdb tpr tpb tpa
  -n  index.ndx  Input, Opt.  Index file
  -p ab.top  InputTopology file
 -pp  processed.top  Output, Opt. Topology file
  -o ab.tpr  Output   Run input file: tpr tpb tpa
  -t   traj.trr  Input, Opt.  Full precision trajectory: trr trj cpt
  -e   ener.edr  Input, Opt.  Energy file: edr ene
Option   Type   Value   Description
--
-[no]h   bool   no  Print help info and quit
-niceint0   Set the nicelevel
-[no]v   bool   yes Be loud and noisy
-timereal   -1  Take frame at or first after this time.
-[no]rmvsbds bool   yes Remove constant bonded interactions with virtual
sites
-maxwarn int0   Number of allowed warnings during input
processing
-[no]zerobool   no  Set parameters for bonded interactions without
defaults to zero instead of generating an error
-[no]renum   bool   yes Renumber atomtypes and minimize number of
atomtypes
Ignoring obsolete mdp entry 'cpp'
Back Off! I just backed up mdout.mdp to ./#mdout.mdp.9#
checking input for internal consistency...
processing topology...
Opening library file /usr/local/gromacs/share/gromacs/top/ffG43a2.itp
Opening library file /usr/local/gromacs/share/gromacs/top/ffG43a2nb.itp
Opening library file /usr/local/gromacs/share/gromacs/top/ffG43a2bon.itp
Opening library file /usr/local/gromacs/share/gromacs/top/ff_dum.itp
Generated 380 of the 1326 non-bonded parameter combinations
Opening library file /usr/local/gromacs/share/gromacs/top/spc.itp
Opening library file /usr/local/gromacs/share/gromacs/top/ions.itp
Excluding 3 bonded neighbours molecule type 'Protein_A'
Excluding 2 bonded neighbours molecule type 'SOL'
Excluding 2 bonded neighbours molecule type 'SOL'
NOTE 1 [file ab.top, line 126]:
  System has non-zero total charge: -1.00e-00

processing coordinates...
---
Program grompp, VERSION 4.0.4
Source code file: grompp.c, line: 362
Fatal error:
number of coordinates in coordinate file (ab.gro, 13)
 does not match topology (ab.top, 29602)
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  So my questioin is my way of procedding is
wrong or right?
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[gmx-users] PULL CODE AND NpT ensemble

2009-08-27 Thread gigitang5
Hi all,
I would like to use pull code to evaluate the free energy of pulling system1 
from system2. Free energy calculation should be done for NpT ensemble. All 
tutorials found for calculating free energy used 
1) berensen for T and P coupling or 
2) berensen for T coupling AND Parrinelo for P coupling or
3)Vrescale for T and no P coupling

I am a bit lost in which one should lead to real ensemble.
Is any one could help?
Regards,
geraldine, phD? 
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Re: [gmx-users] grompp.mdp

2009-08-27 Thread Tsjerk Wassenaar
Hi kayal,

Well, given that it reads Fatal error your final question seems a
bit odd, doesn't it? How did you obtain the topology? Apparently,
there's a bit more specified in it than a single butane! Besides, I
notice that you use the GROMOS force field, which is a united atom
force field. That means that aliphatic hydrogens are collapsed onto
the bearing C atoms. Ergo, butane in a UA force field will count
exactly four atoms. But you have thirteen in your coordinate file.
Maybe it would be a good idea to read up a bit on the background of
MD: force fields, topologies, etc. Most tutorials, although commonly
aimed at proteins, will introduce these concepts and give you a feel
for the matter.

Tsjerk

On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 1:20 PM, abhijit
kayalkayalabhijiti...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi,
  I am going to analyse the normal mode analysis of n-butane. For this I
 donloaded a PDB id .Then opened in wordpad and just took the glu
 residue.Opend it on viewerpro and deleted the -COO, NH2,-CH2 portion to make
 it n-butane.Then made a pdb file and ran in GROMACS. I suceesfully created
 the topology file and did the next steps .But grompp showed the following
 error
 abhi...@scfbioserver project]$ grompp -v -f em.mdp -c ab.gro -p ab.top -o
 ab.tp
 r
  :-)  G  R  O  M  A  C  S  (-:
   GROwing Monsters And Cloning Shrimps
     :-)  VERSION 4.0.4  (-:
   Written by David van der Spoel, Erik Lindahl, Berk Hess, and others.
    Copyright (c) 1991-2000, University of Groningen, The Netherlands.
  Copyright (c) 2001-2008, The GROMACS development team,
     check out http://www.gromacs.org for more information.
  This program is free software; you can redistribute it and/or
   modify it under the terms of the GNU General Public License
  as published by the Free Software Foundation; either version 2
  of the License, or (at your option) any later version.
     :-)  grompp  (-:
 Option Filename  Type Description
 
   -f em.mdp  Input, Opt!  grompp input file with MD parameters
  -po  mdout.mdp  Output   grompp input file with MD parameters
   -c ab.gro  Input    Structure file: gro g96 pdb tpr tpb tpa
   -r   conf.gro  Input, Opt.  Structure file: gro g96 pdb tpr tpb tpa
  -rb   conf.gro  Input, Opt.  Structure file: gro g96 pdb tpr tpb tpa
   -n  index.ndx  Input, Opt.  Index file
   -p ab.top  Input    Topology file
  -pp  processed.top  Output, Opt. Topology file
   -o ab.tpr  Output   Run input file: tpr tpb tpa
   -t   traj.trr  Input, Opt.  Full precision trajectory: trr trj cpt
   -e   ener.edr  Input, Opt.  Energy file: edr ene
 Option   Type   Value   Description
 --
 -[no]h   bool   no  Print help info and quit
 -nice    int    0   Set the nicelevel
 -[no]v   bool   yes Be loud and noisy
 -time    real   -1  Take frame at or first after this time.
 -[no]rmvsbds bool   yes Remove constant bonded interactions with virtual
     sites
 -maxwarn int    0   Number of allowed warnings during input
 processing
 -[no]zero    bool   no  Set parameters for bonded interactions without
     defaults to zero instead of generating an error
 -[no]renum   bool   yes Renumber atomtypes and minimize number of
     atomtypes
 Ignoring obsolete mdp entry 'cpp'
 Back Off! I just backed up mdout.mdp to ./#mdout.mdp.9#
 checking input for internal consistency...
 processing topology...
 Opening library file /usr/local/gromacs/share/gromacs/top/ffG43a2.itp
 Opening library file /usr/local/gromacs/share/gromacs/top/ffG43a2nb.itp
 Opening library file /usr/local/gromacs/share/gromacs/top/ffG43a2bon.itp
 Opening library file /usr/local/gromacs/share/gromacs/top/ff_dum.itp
 Generated 380 of the 1326 non-bonded parameter combinations
 Opening library file /usr/local/gromacs/share/gromacs/top/spc.itp
 Opening library file /usr/local/gromacs/share/gromacs/top/ions.itp
 Excluding 3 bonded neighbours molecule type 'Protein_A'
 Excluding 2 bonded neighbours molecule type 'SOL'
 Excluding 2 bonded neighbours molecule type 'SOL'
 NOTE 1 [file ab.top, line 126]:
   System has non-zero total charge: -1.00e-00

 processing coordinates...
 ---
 Program grompp, VERSION 4.0.4
 Source code file: grompp.c, line: 362
 Fatal error:
 number of coordinates in coordinate file (ab.gro, 13)
  does not match topology (ab.top, 29602)
 ---
 A Lady Shaves Her Legs (C. Meijering)
   So my questioin is my way of procedding is
 wrong or right?

 

RE: [gmx-users] PULL CODE AND NpT ensemble

2009-08-27 Thread Berk Hess

Hi,

I would use v-rescale and Berendsen pressure coupling.
Although Berendsen pressure coupling, strictly speaking, does not give the 
correct ensemble,
in practice it produces negligible artifacts, unless you are looking at 
pressure/volume fluctuations.

Berk

To: gmx-users@gromacs.org
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 07:20:00 -0400
From: gigita...@aol.fr
Subject: [gmx-users] PULL CODE AND NpT ensemble

Hi all,

I would like to use pull code to evaluate the free energy of pulling system1 
from system2. Free energy calculation should be done for NpT ensemble. All 
tutorials found for calculating free energy used 

1) berensen for T and P coupling or 

2) berensen for T coupling AND Parrinelo for P coupling or

3)Vrescale for T and no P coupling



I am a bit lost in which one should lead to real ensemble.

Is any one could help?

Regards,

geraldine, phD  


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Re : [gmx-users] PULL CODE AND NpT ensemble

2009-08-27 Thread gigitang5

 Hi Berk,
Thanks for your answer. I just want to be sure that the procedure is correct. 
No I do not look at the pressure/volume fluctutation. But I do want to make a 
clever choice of the ensemble so that no significant extra artifact are 
generated, since the number of contraint to be calculated is not negligible. I 
previously used no P coupling and I was wondering is that feature could explain 
that the average force plot is not smooth function. Other criteria such as 
Cut-off value for LJ and coulomb may also be checked out?
Geraldine  


 


 

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Hi,

I would use v-rescale and Berendsen pressure coupling.
Although Berendsen pressure coupling, strictly speaking, does not give the 
correct ensemble,
in practice it produces negligible artifacts, unless you are looking at 
pressure/volume fluctuations.

Berk



To: gmx-users@gromacs.org
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 07:20:00 -0400
From: gigita...@aol.fr
Subject: [gmx-users] PULL CODE AND NpT ensemble

Hi all,

I would like to use pull code to evaluate the free energy of pulling system1 
from system2. Free energy calculation should be done for NpT ensemble. All 
tutorials found for calculating free energy used 

1) berensen for T and P coupling or 

2) berensen for T coupling AND Parrinelo for P coupling or


3)Vrescale for T and no P coupling



I am a bit lost in which one should lead to real ensemble.

Is any one could help?

Regards,

geraldine, phD  




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Re: [gmx-users] optimization of gromacs 4.0.5 on AIX Power6

2009-08-27 Thread Mark Abraham

Silvia Giuliani wrote:

Dear All

Has anybody tried version 4.0.5 on an IBM Power6 (4.7Ghz) cluster?
We have installed the program with the following configure options 
(using fftw we installed separately):


./configure --with-fft=fftw2 --enable-mpi --enable-float CC=mpcc_r 
F77=mpxlf_r CXX=mpCC_r CFLAGS=-O3 -qarch=pwr6 -qtune=pwr6 -qcpluscmt


It compiles and works but the performance is poor compared to our 
Opteron  Cluster (2.6Ghz)
For example with 8 procs for a small protein in water we get 5.8ns/+day 
compared to 9.6 ns/day on the Linux cluster, which is a bit disappointing.
Since there alot of compiler options to play with we would be grateful 
if somebody who has already found a good set would share them with us.


If this processor does not support PowerPC Altivec, then the reason is 
straightforward. GROMACS gets its speed from optimized non-bonded 
interaction kernels, and your machine doesn't have any written for it. 
You can see in the .log file whether generic or optimized kernels are 
being used. Optimized kernels exist for x86s, so they're fast.


Given the above assumptions, your GROMACS installation will be using 
generic kernels written in C. You should certainly try the 
--enable-fortran configure flag to see if the equivalent in FORTRAN is 
better optimized by the compiler.


You can try -O4 or -O5, but these tend to have little utility for GROMACS.

Mark
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Re: [gmx-users] table extension

2009-08-27 Thread Omer Markovitch
Thanks.
And what happens if later on it comes back to the cut-off + table-extension
range?

Koby Levy research group,
Weizmann Institute of Science.
FAX: 972-77-444-7905
http://www.weizmann.ac.il/sb/faculty_pages/Levy/


On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 11:13, Berk Hess g...@hotmail.com wrote:

 A interaction beyond the cut-off + table-extension will get a random energy
 and force
 depending on what is stored in the memory of your computer beyond the table

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Re: [gmx-users] optimization of gromacs 4.0.5 on AIX Power6

2009-08-27 Thread Rodrigo faccioli
I believe that this problem is about mpi installation.

What mpi version was installed ? Lampi or openmpi.

There is a good tutorial about that in
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On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 7:14 AM, Silvia Giuliani
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 Dear All

 Has anybody tried version 4.0.5 on an IBM Power6 (4.7Ghz) cluster?
 We have installed the program with the following configure options (using
 fftw we installed separately):

 ./configure --with-fft=fftw2 --enable-mpi --enable-float CC=mpcc_r
 F77=mpxlf_r CXX=mpCC_r CFLAGS=-O3 -qarch=pwr6 -qtune=pwr6 -qcpluscmt

 It compiles and works but the performance is poor compared to our Opteron
  Cluster (2.6Ghz)
 For example with 8 procs for a small protein in water we get 5.8ns/+day
 compared to 9.6 ns/day on the Linux cluster, which is a bit disappointing.
 Since there alot of compiler options to play with we would be grateful if
 somebody who has already found a good set would share them with us.

 best wishes
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[gmx-users] Pressure for froozen atoms

2009-08-27 Thread aherz
Hi guys,

does gromacs use the following scheme to calculate the virial/pressure
for systems including froozen atoms:
http://www.ccp5.ac.uk/infoweb/wsmith22/wsmith22/wsmith22.html
??

Thx,
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RE: [gmx-users] Pressure for froozen atoms

2009-08-27 Thread Berk Hess

Hi,

Gromacs does not do anything special for frozen atoms.
You have to make sure that you do not calculate forces between frozen atoms,
if you want the virial to be correct.

Berk

 Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 14:46:47 +0200
 From: alexander.h...@mytum.de
 To: gmx-users@gromacs.org
 Subject: [gmx-users] Pressure for froozen atoms
 
 Hi guys,
 
 does gromacs use the following scheme to calculate the virial/pressure
 for systems including froozen atoms:
 http://www.ccp5.ac.uk/infoweb/wsmith22/wsmith22/wsmith22.html
 ??
 
 Thx,
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Re: [gmx-users] table extension

2009-08-27 Thread Mark Abraham

Omer Markovitch wrote:

Thanks.
And what happens if later on it comes back to the cut-off + table-extension
range?


It would look up a non-random energy and force. If the code never 
noticed the distance was out-of-range, it won't notice it come back into 
range either.


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On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 11:13, Berk Hess g...@hotmail.com wrote:


A interaction beyond the cut-off + table-extension will get a random energy
and force
depending on what is stored in the memory of your computer beyond the table






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RE: Re : [gmx-users] PULL CODE AND NpT ensemble

2009-08-27 Thread Berk Hess

Hi,

There are no settings that matter in particular for pulling compared to a 
normal simulation.
All the settings that matter normally matter here as well.
NVT pulling should give nearly identical results no NPT,
as long as you set the volume correctly.

Berk

To: gmx-users@gromacs.org
Subject: Re : [gmx-users] PULL CODE AND NpT ensemble
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 08:03:56 -0400
From: gigita...@aol.fr


 Hi Berk,

Thanks for your answer. I just want to be sure that the procedure is correct. 
No I do not look at the pressure/volume fluctutation. But I do want to make a 
clever choice of the ensemble so that no significant extra artifact are 
generated, since the number of contraint to be calculated is not negligible. I 
previously used no P coupling and I was wondering is that feature could explain 
that the average force plot is not smooth function. Other criteria such as 
Cut-off value for LJ and coulomb may also be checked out?

Geraldine  



 



 


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Hi,



I would use v-rescale and Berendsen pressure coupling.

Although Berendsen pressure coupling, strictly speaking, does not give the 
correct ensemble,

in practice it produces negligible artifacts, unless you are looking at 
pressure/volume fluctuations.



Berk



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Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 07:20:00 -040
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From: gigita...@aol.fr

Subject: [gmx-users] PULL CODE AND NpT ensemble



Hi all,


I would like to use pull code to evaluate the free energy of pulling system1 
from system2. Free energy calculation should be done for NpT ensemble. All 
tutorials found for calculating free energy used 


1) berensen for T and P coupling or 


2) berensen for T coupling AND Parrinelo for P coupling or


3)Vrescale for T and no P coupling





I am a bit lost in which one should lead to real ensemble.


Is any one could help?


Regards,


geraldine, phD  




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RE: [gmx-users] Pressure for froozen atoms

2009-08-27 Thread Yelash, Dr. Leonid
Hi together,

 You have to make sure that you do not calculate forces between frozen atoms,

is it enough to include in grompp.mdp such command:

; Non-equilibrium MD stuff
freezegrps   = S 
freezedim= Y Y Y

;Energy group exclusion for position restraints
energygrps   = A S
energygrp_excl   = S S

Or it excludes only energy calculations, but not forces?

Regards,
Leonid


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Subject: RE: [gmx-users] Pressure for froozen atoms

Hi,

Gromacs does not do anything special for frozen atoms.
You have to make sure that you do not calculate forces between frozen atoms,
if you want the virial to be correct.

Berk

 Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 14:46:47 +0200
 From: alexander.h...@mytum.de
 To: gmx-users@gromacs.org
 Subject: [gmx-users] Pressure for froozen atoms

 Hi guys,

 does gromacs use the following scheme to calculate the virial/pressure
 for systems including froozen atoms:
 http://www.ccp5.ac.uk/infoweb/wsmith22/wsmith22/wsmith22.html
 ??

 Thx,
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Re: [gmx-users] table extension

2009-08-27 Thread Omer Markovitch
But what if the gmx code did notice it?

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On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 16:21, Mark Abraham mark.abra...@anu.edu.au wrote:

 It would look up a non-random energy and force. If the code never noticed
 the distance was out-of-range, it won't notice it come back into range
 either.

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RE: [gmx-users] table extension

2009-08-27 Thread Berk Hess

There is a misunderstanding here about noticing.

For efficiency reasons, the code does not check if atoms are beyond the table 
length.
So the code does not care about or notice anything.
However, you do care, since you do not want random forces.
(Although in nearly all cases the force will be, or zero: fine, no artifacts,
or 10^30: immediate crash of mdrun).

Berk

Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 17:18:13 +0300
Subject: Re: [gmx-users] table extension
From: omer...@gmail.com
To: gmx-users@gromacs.org

But what if the gmx code did notice it?  
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It would look up a non-random energy and force. If the code never noticed the 
distance was out-of-range, it won't notice it come back into range either.

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Re: Re: [gmx-users] is the D G sol of g_sas useless? why?

2009-08-27 Thread Felipe Villanelo
Is true, the paper is old, but is an simply aproximation
Besides that, do you know other simply way for protein-protein DG bind from
dynamics (but not g_lie) ?

Thanks anyway

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RE: [gmx-users] Pressure for froozen atoms

2009-08-27 Thread Berk Hess

That's enough for the non-bonded interactions.
Energy group exclusions work on both the energy and the forces.
But if you have bonded interactions between atoms in S you also need to exclude 
those.
Note that this only matters if you want to have the pressure.

Berk

 From: yel...@uni-mainz.de
 To: gmx-users@gromacs.org
 Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 16:13:42 +0200
 Subject: RE: [gmx-users] Pressure for froozen atoms
 
 Hi together,
 
  You have to make sure that you do not calculate forces between frozen atoms,
 
 is it enough to include in grompp.mdp such command:
 
 ; Non-equilibrium MD stuff
 freezegrps   = S 
 freezedim= Y Y Y
 
 ;Energy group exclusion for position restraints
 energygrps   = A S
 energygrp_excl   = S S
 
 Or it excludes only energy calculations, but not forces?
 
 Regards,
 Leonid
 
 
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 Of Berk Hess [g...@hotmail.com]
 Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 2:59 PM
 To: Discussion list for GROMACS users
 Subject: RE: [gmx-users] Pressure for froozen atoms
 
 Hi,
 
 Gromacs does not do anything special for frozen atoms.
 You have to make sure that you do not calculate forces between frozen atoms,
 if you want the virial to be correct.
 
 Berk
 
  Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 14:46:47 +0200
  From: alexander.h...@mytum.de
  To: gmx-users@gromacs.org
  Subject: [gmx-users] Pressure for froozen atoms
 
  Hi guys,
 
  does gromacs use the following scheme to calculate the virial/pressure
  for systems including froozen atoms:
  http://www.ccp5.ac.uk/infoweb/wsmith22/wsmith22/wsmith22.html
  ??
 
  Thx,
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[gmx-users] g_energy and g_analyze give different averages

2009-08-27 Thread Ragnarok sdf
When analysing FEP simulations. After running g_energy -f fep000.edr -f2
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Re: [gmx-users] g_energy and g_analyze give different averages

2009-08-27 Thread David van der Spoel

Ragnarok sdf wrote:

When analysing FEP simulations. After running g_energy -f fep000.edr -f2
fep_000-005.edr for obtaining the dF = -kT ln  exp(-(EB-EA)/kT) A I tried
to obtain the standard deviation for this ensemble average using g_analyze
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g_energy takes all values during your simulation into account, g_analyze 
only the printed datapoints.





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Re: [gmx-users] wierd behavior of mdrun

2009-08-27 Thread Paymon Pirzadeh
One more point:
when I run the job interactively, although it works but date and time
are wrong!

step 0
step 100, will finish Wed Sep 16 16:16:00 2009
step 200, will finish Wed Sep 16 14:32:34 2009
step 300, will finish Wed Sep 16 13:57:51 2009
step 400, will finish Wed Sep 16 11:35:46 2009
step 500, will finish Wed Sep 16 11:50:12 2009
step 600, will finish Wed Sep 16 10:36:38 2009
step 700, will finish Wed Sep 16 09:44:04 2009
step 800, will finish Wed Sep 16 10:07:02 2009
step 900, will finish Wed Sep 16 09:29:25 2009
step 1000, will finish Wed Sep 16 08:59:19 2009
step 1100, will finish Wed Sep 16 09:20:06 2009
step 1200, will finish Wed Sep 16 08:55:47 2009
step 1300, will finish Wed Sep 16 09:13:38 2009
step 1400, will finish Wed Sep 16 08:53:15 2009

Is it a cluster related or GROMACS related issue? Is it important at
all?

Payman



On Wed, 2009-08-26 at 22:06 -0600, Paymon Pirzadeh wrote:
 I made a .tpr file for my md run without any problems (using the bottom
 mdp file). My job submission script is also the same thing I used for
 other jobs which had no problems. But now when I submit this .tpr file,
 only an empty log file is generated! The qstat of the cluster shows that
 the job is running, also the processors are 100% engaged while I have no
 outputs!
 Here is my mdp file:
  title= Yo
 cpp  = cpp
 include  = -I../top
 define   = -DPOSRES
 
 ; Run control
 
 integrator   = md
 dt   = 0.001   ;1 fs
 nsteps   = 300 ;3 ns
 comm_mode= linear
 nstcomm  = 1
 
 ;Output control
 
 nstxout  = 5000
 nstlog   = 5000
 nstenergy= 5000
 nstxtcout= 1500
 nstvout  = 5000
 nstfout  = 5000
 xtc_grps =
 energygrps   =
 
 ; Neighbour Searching
 
 nstlist  = 10
 ns_type  = grid
 rlist= 0.9
 pbc  = xyz
 
 ; Electrostatistics
 
 coulombtype  = PME
 rcoulomb = 0.9
 ;epsilon_r= 1
 
 ; Vdw
 
 vdwtype  = cut-off
 rvdw = 1.2
 DispCorr = EnerPres
 
 ;Ewald
 
 fourierspacing  = 0.12
 pme_order   = 4
 ewald_rtol  = 1e-6
 optimize_fft= yes
 
 ; Temperature coupling
 
 tcoupl   = v-rescale
 ld_seed  = -1
 tc-grps  = System
 tau_t= 0.1
 ref_t= 275
 
 ; Pressure Coupling
 
 Pcoupl   = no
 ;Pcoupltype   = isotropic
 ;tau_p= 1.0
 ;compressibility  = 5.5e-5
 ;ref_p= 1.0
 gen_vel  = yes
 gen_temp = 275
 gen_seed = 173529
 constraint-algorithm = Lincs
 constraints  = all-bonds
 lincs-order  = 4
 
 I am not sure where things go wrong!
 
 Payman
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 On Wed, 2009-08-26 at 07:53 +1000, Mark Abraham wrote:
  Paymon Pirzadeh wrote:
   Can I change the charge of Na ion added from +1 to +0.99 to cancel the
   negative charge exactly? Does that hurt science or simulation?
  
  It's probably irrelevant. The representation of decimal numbers on 
  computers can be inexact, such that things like 0.02 added to itself 100 
  times does not pass a test for equality with 2. You may be observing 
  this kind of thing here. Your protein's [atoms] directive has a running 
  count of the total  charge on the molecule - go and read it and see that 
  each residue has an integral charge. Hopefully you can observe where the 
  rounding error might be occurring and you can make a judgement about 
  whether this might be true.
  
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[gmx-users] Re: g_energy and g_analyze give different averages

2009-08-27 Thread Ragnarok sdf
Is there a correct way to obtain the standard deviation for these data sets?



 Ragnarok sdf wrote:
  When analysing FEP simulations. After running g_energy -f fep000.edr -f2
  fep_000-005.edr for obtaining the dF = -kT ln  exp(-(EB-EA)/kT) A I
 tried
  to obtain the standard deviation for this ensemble average using
 g_analyze
  -f runavg.xvg, but I've noticed that the average values are quite
 different
 
 
 g_energy takes all values during your simulation into account, g_analyze
 only the printed datapoints.


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[gmx-users] Using make_ndx

2009-08-27 Thread Lili Peng
Hi everyone,

I'm trying to figure out the right commands for make_ndx so to generate the
correct index.ndx file for g_bond analysis.  From my PDB file:

ATOM  1  BN0 GGA X   1 107.255  17.133  66.368  1.00  0.00  P1
C
ATOM  2  SC1 GGA X   1 110.304  14.942  66.116  1.00  0.00  P1
C
ATOM  3  SC2 GGA X   1 113.632  15.318  65.904  1.00  0.00  P1
C
ATOM  4  SC3 GGA X   1 114.063  12.624  65.310  1.00  0.00  P1
C
ATOM  5  BN0 GGA X   2 108.171  20.156  68.028  1.00  0.00  P1
C
ATOM  6  SC1 GGA X   2 109.535  18.753  71.242  1.00  0.00  P1
C
ATOM  7  SC2 GGA X   2 112.445  17.547  72.396  1.00  0.00  P1
C
ATOM  8  SC3 GGA X   2 111.301  16.592  74.758  1.00  0.00  P1
C
ATOM  9  BN0 GGA X   3 110.843  21.726  66.258  1.00  0.00  P1
C
ATOM 10  SC1 GGA X   3 111.984  24.201  68.852  1.00  0.00  P1
C
ATOM 11  SC2 GGA X   3 114.049  24.264  71.496  1.00  0.00  P1
C
ATOM 12  SC3 GGA X   3 113.142  26.763  72.351  1.00  0.00  P1
C
..rest of PDB file not included...

Say I want to group together atoms SC1, SC2, and SC3 from all GGA residues
in make_ndx:

  0 System  : 19699 atoms
  1 GGA :   472 atoms
  2 DRG :   324 atoms
  3 W   : 18669 atoms
  4 ION :   234 atoms

I typed in:

 r GGA  t SC1 | r GGA  t SC2 | r GGA  t SC3

Found 472 atoms with residue name GGA
Found 36 atoms with type SC1
Merged two groups with AND: 472 36 - 0
Found 472 atoms with residue name GGA
Merged two groups with OR: 0 472 - 472
Found 24 atoms with type SC2
Merged two groups with AND: 472 24 - 0
Found 472 atoms with residue name GGA
Merged two groups with OR: 0 472 - 472
Found 0 atoms with type SC3

  5 GGA__SC1_GGA__SC2_GGA:   472 atoms

However,  make_ndx found 0 atoms with type SC3.  I'm not sure if I'm doing
this correctly.

If anyone has any insight, I would be most appreciative.

Thanks,
L
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Re: [gmx-users] Using make_ndx

2009-08-27 Thread Justin A. Lemkul



Lili Peng wrote:

Hi everyone,

I'm trying to figure out the right commands for make_ndx so to generate 
the correct index.ndx file for g_bond analysis.  From my PDB file:


ATOM  1  BN0 GGA X   1 107.255  17.133  66.368  1.00  0.00  
P1   C
ATOM  2  SC1 GGA X   1 110.304  14.942  66.116  1.00  0.00  
P1   C
ATOM  3  SC2 GGA X   1 113.632  15.318  65.904  1.00  0.00  
P1   C
ATOM  4  SC3 GGA X   1 114.063  12.624  65.310  1.00  0.00  
P1   C
ATOM  5  BN0 GGA X   2 108.171  20.156  68.028  1.00  0.00  
P1   C
ATOM  6  SC1 GGA X   2 109.535  18.753  71.242  1.00  0.00  
P1   C
ATOM  7  SC2 GGA X   2 112.445  17.547  72.396  1.00  0.00  
P1   C
ATOM  8  SC3 GGA X   2 111.301  16.592  74.758  1.00  0.00  
P1   C
ATOM  9  BN0 GGA X   3 110.843  21.726  66.258  1.00  0.00  
P1   C
ATOM 10  SC1 GGA X   3 111.984  24.201  68.852  1.00  0.00  
P1   C
ATOM 11  SC2 GGA X   3 114.049  24.264  71.496  1.00  0.00  
P1   C
ATOM 12  SC3 GGA X   3 113.142  26.763  72.351  1.00  0.00  
P1   C

...rest of PDB file not included...

Say I want to group together atoms SC1, SC2, and SC3 from all GGA 
residues in make_ndx:


  0 System  : 19699 atoms
  1 GGA :   472 atoms
  2 DRG :   324 atoms
  3 W   : 18669 atoms
  4 ION :   234 atoms

I typed in:

  r GGA  t SC1 | r GGA  t SC2 | r GGA  t SC3

Found 472 atoms with residue name GGA
Found 36 atoms with type SC1
Merged two groups with AND: 472 36 - 0
Found 472 atoms with residue name GGA
Merged two groups with OR: 0 472 - 472
Found 24 atoms with type SC2
Merged two groups with AND: 472 24 - 0
Found 472 atoms with residue name GGA
Merged two groups with OR: 0 472 - 472
Found 0 atoms with type SC3

  5 GGA__SC1_GGA__SC2_GGA:   472 atoms

However,  make_ndx found 0 atoms with type SC3.  I'm not sure if I'm 
doing this correctly. 



You're not, or else it would have worked :)

Better approach:

r GGA  a SC1 SC2 SC3

In order to specify atom *types* you must be using a run input file (.tpr), and 
SC1, SC2, and SC3 are atom *names* in the .pdb file, but not necessarily their type.


-Justin


If anyone has any insight, I would be most appreciative.

Thanks,
L




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[gmx-users] Re: wierd behavior of mdrun

2009-08-27 Thread Vitaly V. Chaban
Then I believe you have problems with MPI.

Before I experienced something alike on our old system - serial
version worked OK but parallel one failed. The same issue was with
CPMD by the way. Another programs worked fine. I didn't correct that
problem...

On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 7:14 PM, Paymon Pirzadehppirz...@ucalgary.ca wrote:
 Yes,
 it works when it is run on one processor interactively!

 On Thu, 2009-08-27 at 09:23 +0300, Vitaly V. Chaban wrote:
  I made a .tpr file for my md run without any problems (using the bottom
  mdp file). My job submission script is also the same thing I used for
  other jobs which had no problems. But now when I submit this .tpr file,
  only an empty log file is generated! The qstat of the cluster shows that
  the job is running, also the processors are 100% engaged while I have no
  outputs!

 A standard guess: what about trying to run the single-processor job on
 the same cluster? Does it run OK?


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[gmx-users] error in ATOM2CG.awk script

2009-08-27 Thread sunny mishra
Dear all,
I was earlier facing problem regarding the mismatch of atoms in .top and
.gro file and then after useful discussion here I figured out that some
atoms were missing in my cg.pdb file and that problem is because of the
OLDER atom2cg.awk script which MARTINI folks have in their website. When I
was using the earlier version of atom2cg.awk script I had 776 atoms in my
.gro file and 804 atoms in .itp file and thats why .top and .gro were not
matching but again the same problem raised even after using the new
atom2cg.awk script which they sent me but it included some ILE residues and
now I have 784 atoms in .gro file and 804 atoms in .itp file

I pretty much now know how to fix the script but I am confused in some of
the things like:

1) In the cleaned.pdb file of my protein the ARG residue in the atom2cg.awk
script takes only CA, CG and NE with BN0, SC1, and SC2. If I want to include
other atoms as well like NH1, NH2, CZ, CD etc what should I print for these
atoms (either BN0, SC1, or SC2). As a matter of fact I don't know what do
SC1, BN0, SC2 mean?

So, i don't know while adding other atoms for ARG residue what should I
print for them and I searched in the martini website but could not find
anything. Please let me know if you got my problem.

Thanks,

Sunny
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Re: [gmx-users] LINCS

2009-08-27 Thread Justin A. Lemkul



tekle...@ualberta.ca wrote:

Hi Justin,

There is something physically unrealistic about your model

You are right!

The main problem I found out is that some of the structures in my 
Solution broke down..


I used ...

genbox -cp .grob -nmol 20 -ci insert.gro -cs spc216.gro XXX.top 
-XX.gro


To generate multiple structures in a box. However, it creates overlap 
and my orginal structures broke down. I checked the structures!




Using -ci and -cs simultaneously typically breaks down.  Use -ci to add your 
molecules, then in a separate step, use -cs to solvate the box.


-Justin

Can you please let me how to generate multiple structures in a fixed box 
at random or packed in a solutio (e.g water)


Thank you for you help

Robella











Quoting Justin A. Lemkul jalem...@vt.edu:




tekle...@ualberta.ca wrote:

Hi Justin,

I tried to run full MD after energy minimization in both vacuo and 
water... went good but I got this ERROR once I try to run full MD.


Can you please help.


There is something physically unrealistic about your model.  That's 
the case whenever you see a LINCS warning.  Without a more complete 
description of what you've done (minimization and equilibration 
protocol, initial construction of the model, etc) and the details of 
your simulation parameters, there's nothing more anyone can really say 
beyond a guess.


It appears that the wiki is down at the moment, but these pages have 
useful information (when the site comes back up):


http://oldwiki.gromacs.org/index.php/blowing_up
http://oldwiki.gromacs.org/index.php/Errors

And since LINCS errors have been posted thousands of times to the 
list, the archive should have some useful advice as well, so search here:


http://oldwww.gromacs.org/swish-e/search/search2.php

-Justin

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Re: [gmx-users] error in ATOM2CG.awk script

2009-08-27 Thread Justin A. Lemkul



sunny mishra wrote:

Dear all,

I was earlier facing problem regarding the mismatch of atoms in .top and 
.gro file and then after useful discussion here I figured out that some 
atoms were missing in my cg.pdb file and that problem is because of the 
OLDER atom2cg.awk script which MARTINI folks have in their website. When 
I was using the earlier version of atom2cg.awk script I had 776 atoms in 
my .gro file and 804 atoms in .itp file and thats why .top and .gro were 
not matching but again the same problem raised even after using the new 
atom2cg.awk script which they sent me but it included some ILE residues 
and now I have 784 atoms in .gro file and 804 atoms in .itp file




As I recall, the root problem was that the original .pdb file from the RCSB had 
missing atoms that you had not properly modeled back in.


I pretty much now know how to fix the script but I am confused in some 
of the things like:


1) In the cleaned.pdb file of my protein the ARG residue in the 
atom2cg.awk script takes only CA, CG and NE with BN0, SC1, and SC2. If I 
want to include other atoms as well like NH1, NH2, CZ, CD etc what 
should I print for these atoms (either BN0, SC1, or SC2). As a matter of 
fact I don't know what do SC1, BN0, SC2 mean? 



Hence the point of CG.  You don't account for every single atom that was in the 
atomistic structure.  BN0 = backbone particle, SC1 and SC2 are side chain 
particles that will be given specific attributes in the topology.


You should probably refer to the MARTINI publications for a more clear 
understanding of how the force field was conceived and how it should be used.


-Justin

So, i don't know while adding other atoms for ARG residue what should I 
print for them and I searched in the martini website but could not find 
anything. Please let me know if you got my problem.


Thanks,

Sunny





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Re: [gmx-users] optimization of gromacs 4.0.5 on AIX Power6

2009-08-27 Thread Mark Abraham

Rodrigo faccioli wrote:

I believe that this problem is about mpi installation.

What mpi version was installed ? Lampi or openmpi.


That would be plausible on a home-built linux cluster, but not so likely 
on a cluster bought from a recognized vendor like IBM, whose MPI 
installation should be dependable.


Mark


There is a good tutorial about that in
http://www.gromacs.org/WIKI-import/Quick_and_Dirty_Installation

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On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 7:14 AM, Silvia Giuliani
silvia.giuli...@cineca.itwrote:


Dear All

Has anybody tried version 4.0.5 on an IBM Power6 (4.7Ghz) cluster?
We have installed the program with the following configure options (using
fftw we installed separately):

./configure --with-fft=fftw2 --enable-mpi --enable-float CC=mpcc_r
F77=mpxlf_r CXX=mpCC_r CFLAGS=-O3 -qarch=pwr6 -qtune=pwr6 -qcpluscmt

It compiles and works but the performance is poor compared to our Opteron
 Cluster (2.6Ghz)
For example with 8 procs for a small protein in water we get 5.8ns/+day
compared to 9.6 ns/day on the Linux cluster, which is a bit disappointing.
Since there alot of compiler options to play with we would be grateful if
somebody who has already found a good set would share them with us.

best wishes
Silvia Giuliani

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