RE: [gmx-users] about NPT run

2010-09-17 Thread Berk Hess

Hi,

For position restraints there is an mdp option refcoord_scaling that sets how
the reference positions are affected by pressure scaling.

Berk

 Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2010 21:15:38 -0400
 From: jalem...@vt.edu
 To: gmx-users@gromacs.org
 Subject: Re: [gmx-users] about NPT run
 
 
 
 zhongjin wrote:
  Hi,
  I want to run a NPT run,could I put some groups into position 
  restraint, or make them frozened ?
  I find it is OK in NVT ensemble. But I am not sure whether it is proper.
 
 Frozen groups cannot have their coordinates scaled by pressure coupling.  I 
 believe this can lead to spurious contributions to the virial and pressure, 
 so 
 it is generally recommended that NPT not be combined with frozen groups.
 
 -Justin
 
  Thanks!
  Zhongjin He
  
  
   
  
 
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[gmx-users] ARG Charmm gmx 4.5.1

2010-09-17 Thread nahren manuel
Dear Gromacs Users,

I am using plain cutoff for my 12-mer protein.
The grompp reports ARG to have a big charge group. this was also highlighted in 
the following mail
http://www.mail-archive.com/gmx-users@gromacs.org/msg32098.html

I was just think if changing the charges on these atoms would help,
from
13    CT2  1    ARG CD 4    0.2 12.011   ; qtot 1.2
14 HA  1    ARG    HD1 4   0.09  1.008   ; qtot 1.29
15 HA  1    ARG    HD2 4   0.09  1.008   ; qtot 1.38
16    NC2  1    ARG NE 4   -0.7 14.007   ; qtot 0.68
17 HC  1    ARG HE 4   0.44  1.008   ; qtot 1.12
18  C  1    ARG CZ 4   0.64 12.011   ; qtot 1.76
19    NC2  1    ARG    NH1 4   -0.8 14.007   ; qtot 0.96
20 HC  1    ARG   HH11 4   0.46  1.008   ; qtot 1.42
21 HC  1    ARG   HH12 4   0.46  1.008   ; qtot 1.88
22    NC2  1    ARG    NH2 4   -0.8 14.007   ; qtot 1.08
23 HC  1    ARG   HH21 4   0.46  1.008   ; qtot 1.54
24 HC  1    ARG   HH22 4   0.46  1.008   ; qtot 2



to










   CD    0.18
  HD1    0.06
  HD2    0.06
   NE    -0.7
   HE    0.4
   CZ    0.6
  NH1    -0.8
 HH11    0.5
 HH12    0.5
  NH2    -0.8
 HH21    0.5
 HH22    0.5

The above transformation of charges seems reasonable.

Would like to know if this is okay...


Best,
nahren





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RE: [gmx-users] ARG Charmm gmx 4.5.1

2010-09-17 Thread Berk Hess

Hi,

No, you should never change the charges in a force field!

Run pdb2gmx again with the -nochargegrp option.
That will make the size of all charge groups a single atom.
This will be done automatically in the 4.5.2 release which will be out soon.

Berk

Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2010 02:32:31 -0700
From: meetnah...@yahoo.com
To: gmx-users@gromacs.org
Subject: [gmx-users] ARG Charmm gmx 4.5.1

Dear Gromacs Users,

I am using plain cutoff for my 12-mer protein.
The grompp reports ARG to have a big charge group. this was also highlighted in 
the following mail
http://www.mail-archive.com/gmx-users@gromacs.org/msg32098.html

I was just think if changing the charges on these atoms would help,
from
13CT2  1ARG CD 40.2 12.011   ; qtot 1.2
14 HA  1ARGHD1 4   0.09  1.008   ; qtot 1.29
15 HA 
 1ARGHD2 4   0.09  1.008   ; qtot 1.38
16NC2  1ARG NE 4   -0.7 14.007   ; qtot 0.68
17 HC  1ARG HE 4   0.44  1.008   ; qtot 1.12
18  C  1ARG CZ 4   0.64 12.011   ; qtot 1.76
19NC2  1   
 ARGNH1 4   -0.8 14.007   ; qtot 0.96
20 HC  1ARG   HH11 4   0.46  1.008   ; qtot 1.42
21 HC  1ARG   HH12 4   0.46  1.008   ; qtot 1.88
22NC2  1ARGNH2 4   -0.8 14.007   ; qtot 1.08
23 HC  1ARG   HH21
 4   0.46  1.008   ; qtot 1.54
24 HC  1ARG   HH22 4   0.46  1.008   ; qtot 2



to






Message body


   CD0.18
  HD10.06
  HD20.06
   NE-0.7
   HE0.4
   CZ0.6
  NH1-0.8
 HH110.5
 HH120.5
  NH2-0.8
 HH210.5
 HH220.5

The above transformation of charges seems reasonable.

Would like to know if this is okay...


Best,
nahren





  
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Re: [gmx-users] ARG Charmm gmx 4.5.1

2010-09-17 Thread Baofu Qiao

You  should change the charge group number. Every charge group include
several, like 3-4, atoms. Actually, the definition of charge group is
not significant if you use PME for the coulomb interaction.


nahren manuel wrote:
 Dear Gromacs Users,

 I am using plain cutoff for my 12-mer protein.
 The grompp reports ARG to have a big charge group. this was also highlighted 
 in the following mail
 http://www.mail-archive.com/gmx-users@gromacs.org/msg32098.html

 I was just think if changing the charges on these atoms would help,
 from
 13CT2  1ARG CD 40.2 12.011   ; qtot 1.2
 14 HA  1ARGHD1 4   0.09  1.008   ; qtot 1.29
 15 HA  1ARGHD2 4   0.09  1.008   ; qtot 1.38
 16NC2  1ARG NE 4   -0.7 14.007   ; qtot 0.68
 17 HC  1ARG HE 4   0.44  1.008   ; qtot 1.12
 18  C  1ARG CZ 4   0.64 12.011   ; qtot 1.76
 19NC2  1ARGNH1 4   -0.8 14.007   ; qtot 0.96
 20 HC  1ARG   HH11 4   0.46  1.008   ; qtot 1.42
 21 HC  1ARG   HH12 4   0.46  1.008   ; qtot 1.88
 22NC2  1ARGNH2 4   -0.8 14.007   ; qtot 1.08
 23 HC  1ARG   HH21 4   0.46  1.008   ; qtot 1.54
 24 HC  1ARG   HH22 4   0.46  1.008   ; qtot 2



 to




   
   
   
   
   
   
CD0.18
   HD10.06
   HD20.06
NE-0.7
HE0.4
CZ0.6
   NH1-0.8
  HH110.5
  HH120.5
   NH2-0.8
  HH210.5
  HH220.5

 The above transformation of charges seems reasonable.

 Would like to know if this is okay...


 Best,
 nahren





   
   

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RE: [gmx-users] ARG Charmm gmx 4.5.1

2010-09-17 Thread Berk Hess

Hi,

The choice of charge is significant even with PME, because of the way
Gromacs makes the neighborlists.

As I mailed before, use the -nochargegrp option of pdb2gmx with the Charmm27 ff.

Berk

 Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2010 11:46:36 +0200
 From: qia...@gmail.com
 To: gmx-users@gromacs.org
 Subject: Re: [gmx-users] ARG Charmm gmx 4.5.1
 
 
 You  should change the charge group number. Every charge group include
 several, like 3-4, atoms. Actually, the definition of charge group is
 not significant if you use PME for the coulomb interaction.
 
 
 nahren manuel wrote:
  Dear Gromacs Users,
 
  I am using plain cutoff for my 12-mer protein.
  The grompp reports ARG to have a big charge group. this was also 
  highlighted in the following mail
  http://www.mail-archive.com/gmx-users@gromacs.org/msg32098.html
 
  I was just think if changing the charges on these atoms would help,
  from
  13CT2  1ARG CD 40.2 12.011   ; qtot 1.2
  14 HA  1ARGHD1 4   0.09  1.008   ; qtot 1.29
  15 HA  1ARGHD2 4   0.09  1.008   ; qtot 1.38
  16NC2  1ARG NE 4   -0.7 14.007   ; qtot 0.68
  17 HC  1ARG HE 4   0.44  1.008   ; qtot 1.12
  18  C  1ARG CZ 4   0.64 12.011   ; qtot 1.76
  19NC2  1ARGNH1 4   -0.8 14.007   ; qtot 0.96
  20 HC  1ARG   HH11 4   0.46  1.008   ; qtot 1.42
  21 HC  1ARG   HH12 4   0.46  1.008   ; qtot 1.88
  22NC2  1ARGNH2 4   -0.8 14.007   ; qtot 1.08
  23 HC  1ARG   HH21 4   0.46  1.008   ; qtot 1.54
  24 HC  1ARG   HH22 4   0.46  1.008   ; qtot 2
 
 
 
  to
 
 
 
 
  
  
  
  
  
  
 CD0.18
HD10.06
HD20.06
 NE-0.7
 HE0.4
 CZ0.6
NH1-0.8
   HH110.5
   HH120.5
NH2-0.8
   HH210.5
   HH220.5
 
  The above transformation of charges seems reasonable.
 
  Would like to know if this is okay...
 
 
  Best,
  nahren
 
 
 
 
 


 
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[gmx-users] Nucleotides for charmm port

2010-09-17 Thread David Parcej

Hi all,
Has anybody managed to use ATP with the charmm27 ff in gromacs 4.5? The 
forcefield files are missing atom and bond types and angle information.
This is available for charmm, but I have only found it in stream file 
and have no idea how to convert it. It should be possible (for someone 
smarter than me).

cheers
Dave

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Re: [gmx-users] WHAM

2010-09-17 Thread Justin A. Lemkul



Anirban Ghosh wrote:

Hi Justin,

Thanks a lot for the reply.
Yes I have had a look at section 4.4.2. But section 5.3 tells that this 
WHAM can be used with the REMD data set as well. So my question is that 
how to present this REMD data of multiple trajectories as input to WHAM? 
Do I need to work around with the WHAM code or there is some other way?


Also in section 5.3 is the procedure for how to use REMD data, but I don't think 
it will ever accomplish what you want.  The input into WHAM would be energies, 
not RMSD vs. R(g), as you initially stated as your goal.  You can easily build 
free energy surfaces of RMSD vs. R(g) using g_sham, however.


-Justin


Any suggestion is welcome. Thanks again.


Regards,

Anirban

On Thu, Sep 16, 2010 at 5:28 PM, Justin A. Lemkul jalem...@vt.edu 
mailto:jalem...@vt.edu wrote:




Anirban Ghosh wrote:

Hi ALL,

I have carried out REMD simulation on a protein (20 replicas).
Now I want to carry 2D PMF calculation using RMSD and Radius of
gyration as the reaction coordinates using Grossfield Lab's WHAM
package. For this what should be my input parameters to the WHAM
program and in which format?
Any suggestion in this regard is welcome.


I would suggest you consult the documentation for the program (i.e.
the Grossfield WHAM manual, section 4.2.2).  I don't know how you
intend to pass your data to a program that is designed for umbrella
sampling, but I suppose that's your task.

-Justin



Regards,


Anirban


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Re: [gmx-users] Nucleotides for charmm port

2010-09-17 Thread Thomas Piggot
Have you looked in the ffnabonded.itp and ffnanonbonded.itp? To me it 
looks like all of the atom types/bonds/angles are there.


I have just made a very quick rtp entry from the stream file (see 
attached) and it seems to work fine (but please do check it). Note the 
very large charge groups, so you should use the -nochargegrp option of 
pdb2gmx.


Cheers

Tom

David Parcej wrote:

Hi all,
Has anybody managed to use ATP with the charmm27 ff in gromacs 4.5? The 
forcefield files are missing atom and bond types and angle information.
This is available for charmm, but I have only found it in stream file 
and have no idea how to convert it. It should be possible (for someone 
smarter than me).

cheers
Dave



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[ bondedtypes ] 
; Col 1: Type of bond 
; Col 2: Type of angles 
; Col 3: Type of proper dihedrals 
; Col 4: Type of improper dihedrals 
; Col 5: Generate all dihedrals if 1, only heavy atoms of 0. 
; Col 6: Number of excluded neighbors for nonbonded interactions 
; Col 7: Generate 1,4 interactions between pairs of hydrogens if 1 
; Col 8: Remove propers over the same bond as an improper if it is 1 
; bonds  angles  dihedrals  impropers all_dihedrals nrexcl HH14 RemoveDih 
 1   5  921   3  1 0 

[ATP]
;
; from toppar_all27_na_nad_ppi.str. Thomas Piggot 17/9/10
;
[atoms]
C4'  CN7 0.16   0
H4'  HN7 0.09   0
O4'  ON6B   -0.50   0
C1'  CN7B0.16   0
H1'  HN7 0.09   0
C5   CN5 0.28   1
N7   NN4-0.71   1
C8   CN4 0.34   1
H8   HN3 0.12   1
N9   NN2-0.05   1
N1   NN3A   -0.74   2
C2   CN4 0.50   2
H2   HN3 0.13   2
N3   NN3A   -0.75   2
C4   CN5 0.43   2
C6   CN2 0.46   2
N6   NN1-0.77   3
H61  HN1 0.38   3
H62  HN1 0.38   3
C2'  CN7B0.14   4
H2'' HN7 0.09   4
O2'  ON5-0.66   4
H2'  HN5 0.43   4
C3'  CN7 0.14   5
H3'  HN7 0.09   5
O3'  ON5-0.66   5
H3T  HN5 0.43   5
C5'  CN8B   -0.08   6
H5'  HN8 0.09   6
H5'' HN8 0.09   6
O5'  ON2-0.62   6
PA   P   1.50   6
O1A  ON3-0.82   6
O2A  ON3-0.82   6
O3A  ON2-0.74   6
PB   P2  1.50   6
O1B  ON3-0.82   6
O2B  ON3-0.82   6
O3B  ON2-0.86   6
PG   P2  1.10   6
O1G  ON3-0.90   6
O2G  ON3-0.90   6
O3G  ON3-0.90   6
[bonds]
O5'  C5' 
O5'  PA  
PA   O1A 
PA   O2A 
PA   O3A 
O3A  PB  
PB   O1B 
PB   O2B 
PB   O3B 
O3B  PG  
PG   O1G 
PG   O2G 
PG   O3G 
C5'  C4' 
C4'  O4' 
C4'  C3' 
O4'  C1' 
C1'  N9  
C1'  C2' 
N9   C4  
N9   C8  
C4   N3  
C2   N1  
C6   N6  
N6   H61 
N6   H62 
C6   C5  
C5   N7  
C2'  C3' 
C2'  O2' 
O2'  H2' 
C3'  O3' 
O3'  H3T 
C1'  H1' 
C2'  H2''
C3'  H3' 
C4'  H4' 
C5'  H5' 
C5'  H5''
C8   H8  
C2   H2  
N1   C6  
N3   C2  
C4   C5  
N7   C8  
[impropers]
N6   C6   H61  H62
C6   N1   C5   N6
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Re: [gmx-users] ARG Charmm gmx 4.5.1

2010-09-17 Thread Thomas Piggot

Hi Berk and others,

I have been wondering if there was another way to treat the large charge 
groups for the CHARMM forcefield(s) in GROMACS, rather than using the 
-nochargegrp option.


The reason I ask is because changing every atom to be in individual 
charge groups changes the forcefield (albeit slightly) from its original 
implementation and it would be good to be able to use the forcefields in 
as close a way as possible as to how they were originally used in CHARMM.


I suppose another way to do it is to increase the cutoff's, however 
changing the cutoff's from their original intended values is also 
undesirable and this can also significantly impact on performance. 
Whether this is better or worse (in the sense of the difference to how 
the forcefields were originally used in CHARMM) than using -nochargegrp 
I am not sure. I also noticed that in version 4.5 there is a rlistlong 
parameter, could this be used to account for the large charge groups 
rather than increasing other cutoff's?


Can anyone think of any other ways to do this? I have no idea if it be 
easy/possible to implement an option to use the CHARMM approach for 
treating charge groups (as I understand it when any atom is within the 
cutoff then the whole charge group is included).


Sorry for the fairly long message and thanks for any insights you can give.

Tom

Berk Hess wrote:

Hi,

No, you should never change the charges in a force field!

Run pdb2gmx again with the -nochargegrp option.
That will make the size of all charge groups a single atom.
This will be done automatically in the 4.5.2 release which will be out soon.

Berk


Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2010 02:32:31 -0700
From: meetnah...@yahoo.com
To: gmx-users@gromacs.org
Subject: [gmx-users] ARG Charmm gmx 4.5.1

Dear Gromacs Users,

I am using plain cutoff for my 12-mer protein.
The grompp reports ARG to have a big charge group. this was also 
highlighted in the following mail

http://www.mail-archive.com/gmx-users@gromacs.org/msg32098.html

I was just think if changing the charges on these atoms would help,
from
13CT2  1ARG CD 40.2 12.011   ; qtot 1.2
14 HA  1ARGHD1 4   0.09  1.008   ; qtot 1.29
15 HA  1ARGHD2 4   0.09  1.008   ; qtot 1.38
16NC2  1ARG NE 4   -0.7 14.007   ; qtot 0.68
17 HC  1ARG HE 4   0.44  1.008   ; qtot 1.12
18  C  1ARG CZ 4   0.64 12.011   ; qtot 1.76
19NC2  1ARGNH1 4   -0.8 14.007   ; qtot 0.96
20 HC  1ARG   HH11 4   0.46  1.008   ; qtot 1.42
21 HC  1ARG   HH12 4   0.46  1.008   ; qtot 1.88
22NC2  1ARGNH2 4   -0.8 14.007   ; qtot 1.08
23 HC  1ARG   HH21 4   0.46  1.008   ; qtot 1.54
24 HC  1ARG   HH22 4   0.46  1.008   ; qtot 2


to

   CD0.18
  HD10.06
  HD20.06
   NE-0.7
   HE0.4
   CZ0.6
  NH1-0.8
 HH110.5
 HH120.5
  NH2-0.8
 HH210.5
 HH220.5

The above transformation of charges seems reasonable.

Would like to know if this is okay...


Best,
nahren




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RE: [gmx-users] ARG Charmm gmx 4.5.1

2010-09-17 Thread Berk Hess

Hi,

I think there is no point in exactly copying the way a certain program treats 
things technically,
except for checking force field implementation, but since that can be done 
without cut-off's
there no real need.
Charge groups are an ancient leftover from the old times when plain cut-off's 
were used.
I don't actually know if Charmm uses charge groups with PME.
But having no charge-groups at all leads to no artifacts, so that's the best 
solution anyhow.

I will try to completely get rid of charge groups in Gromacs in the next major 
release,
so we get rid of these issues once and for all.

Berk

 Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2010 14:12:51 +0100
 From: t.pig...@soton.ac.uk
 To: gmx-users@gromacs.org
 Subject: Re: [gmx-users] ARG Charmm gmx 4.5.1
 
 Hi Berk and others,
 
 I have been wondering if there was another way to treat the large charge 
 groups for the CHARMM forcefield(s) in GROMACS, rather than using the 
 -nochargegrp option.
 
 The reason I ask is because changing every atom to be in individual 
 charge groups changes the forcefield (albeit slightly) from its original 
 implementation and it would be good to be able to use the forcefields in 
 as close a way as possible as to how they were originally used in CHARMM.
 
 I suppose another way to do it is to increase the cutoff's, however 
 changing the cutoff's from their original intended values is also 
 undesirable and this can also significantly impact on performance. 
 Whether this is better or worse (in the sense of the difference to how 
 the forcefields were originally used in CHARMM) than using -nochargegrp 
 I am not sure. I also noticed that in version 4.5 there is a rlistlong 
 parameter, could this be used to account for the large charge groups 
 rather than increasing other cutoff's?
 
 Can anyone think of any other ways to do this? I have no idea if it be 
 easy/possible to implement an option to use the CHARMM approach for 
 treating charge groups (as I understand it when any atom is within the 
 cutoff then the whole charge group is included).
 
 Sorry for the fairly long message and thanks for any insights you can give.
 
 Tom
 
 Berk Hess wrote:
  Hi,
  
  No, you should never change the charges in a force field!
  
  Run pdb2gmx again with the -nochargegrp option.
  That will make the size of all charge groups a single atom.
  This will be done automatically in the 4.5.2 release which will be out soon.
  
  Berk
  
  
  Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2010 02:32:31 -0700
  From: meetnah...@yahoo.com
  To: gmx-users@gromacs.org
  Subject: [gmx-users] ARG Charmm gmx 4.5.1
  
  Dear Gromacs Users,
  
  I am using plain cutoff for my 12-mer protein.
  The grompp reports ARG to have a big charge group. this was also 
  highlighted in the following mail
  http://www.mail-archive.com/gmx-users@gromacs.org/msg32098.html
  
  I was just think if changing the charges on these atoms would help,
  from
  13CT2  1ARG CD 40.2 12.011   ; qtot 1.2
  14 HA  1ARGHD1 4   0.09  1.008   ; qtot 1.29
  15 HA  1ARGHD2 4   0.09  1.008   ; qtot 1.38
  16NC2  1ARG NE 4   -0.7 14.007   ; qtot 0.68
  17 HC  1ARG HE 4   0.44  1.008   ; qtot 1.12
  18  C  1ARG CZ 4   0.64 12.011   ; qtot 1.76
  19NC2  1ARGNH1 4   -0.8 14.007   ; qtot 0.96
  20 HC  1ARG   HH11 4   0.46  1.008   ; qtot 1.42
  21 HC  1ARG   HH12 4   0.46  1.008   ; qtot 1.88
  22NC2  1ARGNH2 4   -0.8 14.007   ; qtot 1.08
  23 HC  1ARG   HH21 4   0.46  1.008   ; qtot 1.54
  24 HC  1ARG   HH22 4   0.46  1.008   ; qtot 2
  
  
  to
  
 CD0.18
HD10.06
HD20.06
 NE-0.7
 HE0.4
 CZ0.6
NH1-0.8
   HH110.5
   HH120.5
NH2-0.8
   HH210.5
   HH220.5
  
  The above transformation of charges seems reasonable.
  
  Would like to know if this is okay...
  
  
  Best,
  nahren
  
  
  
  
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RE: [gmx-users] ARG Charmm gmx 4.5.1

2010-09-17 Thread Berk Hess

Hi,

I just got a mail from a CHARMM developer saying that charge groups in CHARMM
have no influence on the way forces are calculated.
The details of the use of charge groups in CHARMM are not how I guessed they 
were,
but the conclusion is that one should use no charge groups (or single atom 
charge groups
to be more precise) for the CHARMM force field in Gromacs.

Berk

From: g...@hotmail.com
To: gmx-users@gromacs.org
Subject: RE: [gmx-users] ARG Charmm gmx 4.5.1
Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2010 15:46:56 +0200








Hi,

I think there is no point in exactly copying the way a certain program treats 
things technically,
except for checking force field implementation, but since that can be done 
without cut-off's
there no real need.
Charge groups are an ancient leftover from the old times when plain cut-off's 
were used.
I don't actually know if Charmm uses charge groups with PME.
But having no charge-groups at all leads to no artifacts, so that's the best 
solution anyhow.

I will try to completely get rid of charge groups in Gromacs in the next major 
release,
so we get rid of these issues once and for all.

Berk

 Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2010 14:12:51 +0100
 From: t.pig...@soton.ac.uk
 To: gmx-users@gromacs.org
 Subject: Re: [gmx-users] ARG Charmm gmx 4.5.1
 
 Hi Berk and others,
 
 I have been wondering if there was another way to treat the large charge 
 groups for the CHARMM forcefield(s) in GROMACS, rather than using the 
 -nochargegrp option.
 
 The reason I ask is because changing every atom to be in individual 
 charge groups changes the forcefield (albeit slightly) from its original 
 implementation and it would be good to be able to use the forcefields in 
 as close a way as possible as to how they were originally used in CHARMM.
 
 I suppose another way to do it is to increase the cutoff's, however 
 changing the cutoff's from their original intended values is also 
 undesirable and this can also significantly impact on performance. 
 Whether this is better or worse (in the sense of the difference to how 
 the forcefields were originally used in CHARMM) than using -nochargegrp 
 I am not sure. I also noticed that in version 4.5 there is a rlistlong 
 parameter, could this be used to account for the large charge groups 
 rather than increasing other cutoff's?
 
 Can anyone think of any other ways to do this? I have no idea if it be 
 easy/possible to implement an option to use the CHARMM approach for 
 treating charge groups (as I understand it when any atom is within the 
 cutoff then the whole charge group is included).
 
 Sorry for the fairly long message and thanks for any insights you can give.
 
 Tom
 
 Berk Hess wrote:
  Hi,
  
  No, you should never change the charges in a force field!
  
  Run pdb2gmx again with the -nochargegrp option.
  That will make the size of all charge groups a single atom.
  This will be done automatically in the 4.5.2 release which will be out soon.
  
  Berk
  
  
  Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2010 02:32:31 -0700
  From: meetnah...@yahoo.com
  To: gmx-users@gromacs.org
  Subject: [gmx-users] ARG Charmm gmx 4.5.1
  
  Dear Gromacs Users,
  
  I am using plain cutoff for my 12-mer protein.
  The grompp reports ARG to have a big charge group. this was also 
  highlighted in the following mail
  http://www.mail-archive.com/gmx-users@gromacs.org/msg32098.html
  
  I was just think if changing the charges on these atoms would help,
  from
  13CT2  1ARG CD 40.2 12.011   ; qtot 1.2
  14 HA  1ARGHD1 4   0.09  1.008   ; qtot 1.29
  15 HA  1ARGHD2 4   0.09  1.008   ; qtot 1.38
  16NC2  1ARG NE 4   -0.7 14.007   ; qtot 0.68
  17 HC  1ARG HE 4   0.44  1.008   ; qtot 1.12
  18  C  1ARG CZ 4   0.64 12.011   ; qtot 1.76
  19NC2  1ARGNH1 4   -0.8 14.007   ; qtot 0.96
  20 HC  1ARG   HH11 4   0.46  1.008   ; qtot 1.42
  21 HC  1ARG   HH12 4   0.46  1.008   ; qtot 1.88
  22NC2  1ARGNH2 4   -0.8 14.007   ; qtot 1.08
  23 HC  1ARG   HH21 4   0.46  1.008   ; qtot 1.54
  24 HC  1ARG   HH22 4   0.46  1.008   ; qtot 2
  
  
  to
  
 CD0.18
HD10.06
HD20.06
 NE-0.7
 HE0.4
 CZ0.6
NH1-0.8
   HH110.5
   HH120.5
NH2-0.8
   HH210.5
   HH220.5
  
  The above transformation of charges seems reasonable.
  
  Would like to know if this is okay...
  
  
  Best,
  nahren
  
  
  
  
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[gmx-users] Re:problem adding H atoms

2010-09-17 Thread Stacey Meadley
Hi Justin,
the gromacs version is 4.0.4.
command line: pdb2gmx -f 1B9Eostate.pdb -o 1B9Eostate.gro -p 1B9Eostate.top
-ff amber03
message: WARNING: atom H is missing in residue ILE 2 in the pdb file
 You might need to add atom H to the hydrogen database of residue
ILE
 in the file ff???.hdb (see the manual)
beginning of pdb file:
ATOM  1  N   NGLYA   1  -5.201   9.673  -2.852  1.00 21.99
N
ATOM  2  CA  NGLYA   1  -3.724   9.368  -2.711  1.00 21.30
C
ATOM  3  C   NGLYA   1  -3.320   8.030  -3.324  1.00 18.48
C
ATOM  4  O   NGLYA   1  -4.164   7.323  -3.878  1.00 24.81
O
ATOM  5  N   ILE A   2  -2.065   7.644  -3.159  1.00 13.65
N
ATOM  6  CA  ILE A   2  -1.579   6.399  -3.716  1.00 12.18
C
ATOM  7  C   ILE A   2  -2.254   5.174  -3.077  1.00 15.61
C
ATOM  8  O   ILE A   2  -2.629   4.249  -3.786  1.00 13.09
O
ATOM  9  CB  ILE A   2  -0.037   6.325  -3.601  1.00 12.48
C
ATOM 10  CG1 ILE A   2   0.494   5.122  -4.357  1.00 14.27
C
ATOM 11  CG2 ILE A   2   0.397   6.250  -2.171  1.00  7.71
C
ATOM 12  CD  ILE A   2   1.946   5.193  -4.618  1.00 11.64
C
ATOM 13  N   VAL A   3  -2.487   5.202  -1.759  1.00 19.67
N
ATOM 14  CA  VAL A   3  -3.123   4.072  -1.065  1.00 21.16
C
ATOM 15  C   VAL A   3  -4.531   3.814  -1.605  1.00 21.76
C
ATOM 16  O   VAL A   3  -4.954   2.670  -1.806  1.00 20.69
O
ATOM 17  CB  VAL A   3  -3.225   4.312   0.465  1.00 21.43
C
ATOM 18  CG1 VAL A   3  -3.687   3.033   1.165  1.00 21.34
C
ATOM 19  CG2 VAL A   3  -1.885   4.782   1.039  1.00 19.65
C
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Re: [gmx-users] potential energy in implicit solvent simulations

2010-09-17 Thread Per Larsson
Hi

It seems that the non-polar energy term has gone missing, and does not get 
included in the print-out. 

While adding it back again properly  I found some other issues that I need to 
check before committing. The total potential energy should be correct. 

/Per

16 sep 2010 kl. 17:47 skrev Ehud Schreiber schr...@compugen.co.il:

 Can you explain this situation?
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Re: [gmx-users] Re:problem adding H atoms

2010-09-17 Thread Justin A. Lemkul



Stacey Meadley wrote:
Hi Justin, 
the gromacs version is 4.0.4.  
command line: pdb2gmx -f 1B9Eostate.pdb -o 1B9Eostate.gro -p 
1B9Eostate.top -ff amber03

message: WARNING: atom H is missing in residue ILE 2 in the pdb file
 You might need to add atom H to the hydrogen database of 
residue ILE

 in the file ff???.hdb (see the manual)
beginning of pdb file:
ATOM  1  N   NGLYA   1  -5.201   9.673  -2.852  1.00 21.99   
N  
ATOM  2  CA  NGLYA   1  -3.724   9.368  -2.711  1.00 21.30   
C  
ATOM  3  C   NGLYA   1  -3.320   8.030  -3.324  1.00 18.48   
C  
ATOM  4  O   NGLYA   1  -4.164   7.323  -3.878  1.00 24.81   
O  
ATOM  5  N   ILE A   2  -2.065   7.644  -3.159  1.00 13.65   
N  
ATOM  6  CA  ILE A   2  -1.579   6.399  -3.716  1.00 12.18   
C  
ATOM  7  C   ILE A   2  -2.254   5.174  -3.077  1.00 15.61   
C  
ATOM  8  O   ILE A   2  -2.629   4.249  -3.786  1.00 13.09   
O  
ATOM  9  CB  ILE A   2  -0.037   6.325  -3.601  1.00 12.48   
C  
ATOM 10  CG1 ILE A   2   0.494   5.122  -4.357  1.00 14.27   
C  
ATOM 11  CG2 ILE A   2   0.397   6.250  -2.171  1.00  7.71   
C  
ATOM 12  CD  ILE A   2   1.946   5.193  -4.618  1.00 11.64   
C  
ATOM 13  N   VAL A   3  -2.487   5.202  -1.759  1.00 19.67   
N  
ATOM 14  CA  VAL A   3  -3.123   4.072  -1.065  1.00 21.16   
C  
ATOM 15  C   VAL A   3  -4.531   3.814  -1.605  1.00 21.76   
C  
ATOM 16  O   VAL A   3  -4.954   2.670  -1.806  1.00 20.69   
O  
ATOM 17  CB  VAL A   3  -3.225   4.312   0.465  1.00 21.43   
C  
ATOM 18  CG1 VAL A   3  -3.687   3.033   1.165  1.00 21.34   
C  
ATOM 19  CG2 VAL A   3  -1.885   4.782   1.039  1.00 19.65   
C  



I can't reproduce this problem.  I made a slight modification to the coordinates 
you posted to build CVAL so I could process the structure.  It worked fine with 
version 4.0.7 (I don't have 4.0.4 installed any more).


I would recommend that you upgrade to the latest version (4.5.1) instead of one 
that is over a year and a half old.  The biggest benefit (aside from bug fixes) 
is that the Amber force fields are now natively supported, no more manual 
editing of residue names, termini, etc.


If the problem persists (which it shouldn't, as I have also processed the file 
with version 4.5.1), then post again with the results.


-Justin

P.S. If you want to test what I did, here's the .pdb file I used.  I opened 
yours in xLeap to build the termini.


TITLE Giving Russians Opium May Alter Current Situation
MODEL1
ATOM  1  N   NGLYA   1  -5.201   9.673  -2.852  1.00  0.00   N
ATOM  2  CA  NGLYA   1  -3.724   9.368  -2.711  1.00  0.00   C
ATOM  3  C   NGLYA   1  -3.320   8.030  -3.324  1.00  0.00   C
ATOM  4  O   NGLYA   1  -4.164   7.323  -3.878  1.00  0.00   O
ATOM  5  N   ILE A   2  -2.065   7.644  -3.159  1.00  0.00   N
ATOM  6  CA  ILE A   2  -1.579   6.399  -3.716  1.00  0.00   C
ATOM  7  CB  ILE A   2  -0.037   6.325  -3.601  1.00  0.00   C
ATOM  8  CG2 ILE A   2   0.397   6.250  -2.171  1.00  0.00   C
ATOM  9  CG1 ILE A   2   0.494   5.122  -4.357  1.00  0.00   C
ATOM 10  CD1 ILE A   2   2.013   5.071  -4.229  1.00  0.00   C
ATOM 13  CD  ILE A   2   1.946   5.193  -4.618  1.00  0.00   C
ATOM 11  C   ILE A   2  -2.254   5.174  -3.077  1.00  0.00   C
ATOM 12  O   ILE A   2  -2.629   4.249  -3.786  1.00  0.00   O
ATOM 14  N   CVALA   3  -2.487   5.202  -1.759  1.00  0.00   N
ATOM 15  CA  CVALA   3  -3.123   4.072  -1.065  1.00  0.00   C
ATOM 16  CB  CVALA   3  -3.225   4.312   0.465  1.00  0.00   C
ATOM 17  CG1 CVALA   3  -3.687   3.033   1.165  1.00  0.00   C
ATOM 18  CG2 CVALA   3  -1.885   4.782   1.039  1.00  0.00   C
ATOM 19  C   CVALA   3  -4.531   3.814  -1.605  1.00  0.00   C
ATOM 20  OC1 CVALA   3  -4.954   2.670  -1.806  1.00  0.00   O
ATOM 21  OC2 CVALA   3  -5.294   4.751  -1.829  1.00  0.00   O
TER
ENDMDL


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e: [gmx-users] Nucleotides for charmm port

2010-09-17 Thread David Parcej

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From: David Parcej par...@biochem.uni-frankfurt.de
Subject: [gmx-users] Nucleotides for charmm port
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Hi all,
Has anybody managed to use ATP with the charmm27 ff in gromacs 4.5? The 
forcefield files are missing atom and bond types and angle information.
This is available for charmm, but I have only found it in stream file 
and have no idea how to convert it. It should be possible (for someone 
smarter than me).

cheers
Dave
  


Thank a lot Tom, it worked fine!
Dave


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[gmx-users] g_hbond

2010-09-17 Thread Fahimeh Baftizadeh Baghal

hello,
I have a trajectory generated by gromacs in which I excluded water and 
there is only protein, now I like to see how does the number of h_bond 
between water and protein change during the trajectory. In fact when I 
use g_hbond I can choose the water and protein but I was wondering where 
does the information about water come from??

thank you in advance for your time

Fahimeh
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Re: [gmx-users] g_hbond

2010-09-17 Thread Justin A. Lemkul



Fahimeh Baftizadeh Baghal wrote:

hello,
I have a trajectory generated by gromacs in which I excluded water and 
there is only protein, now I like to see how does the number of h_bond 
between water and protein change during the trajectory. In fact when I 
use g_hbond I can choose the water and protein but I was wondering where 
does the information about water come from??


Certainly you can choose whatever groups are present (either from default groups 
or from those in an index file), but I would imagine the command will either 
fail or simply identify that there are no hydrogen bond donors or acceptors 
within what would otherwise be water.


If you have not saved the coordinates for water, you cannot run any command to 
analyze properties related to or involving water.


-Justin


thank you in advance for your time

Fahimeh


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Re: [gmx-users] g_hbond

2010-09-17 Thread David van der Spoel

On 9/17/10 5:37 PM, Justin A. Lemkul wrote:



Fahimeh Baftizadeh Baghal wrote:

hello,
I have a trajectory generated by gromacs in which I excluded water and
there is only protein, now I like to see how does the number of h_bond
between water and protein change during the trajectory. In fact when I
use g_hbond I can choose the water and protein but I was wondering
where does the information about water come from??


Certainly you can choose whatever groups are present (either from
default groups or from those in an index file), but I would imagine the
command will either fail or simply identify that there are no hydrogen
bond donors or acceptors within what would otherwise be water.

If you have not saved the coordinates for water, you cannot run any
command to analyze properties related to or involving water.


In theory you could get an approximate number from analyzing what polar 
groups are not hydrogen bonded intramolecularly. There is not ready tool 
to do this. The quickest solution is probably to rerun the simulation. 
In most cases human time is more valuable than computer time.




-Justin


thank you in advance for your time

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Re: [gmx-users] g_hbond

2010-09-17 Thread fahimeh baftizadeh
Thanks for the reply.
In fact I had the trajectory with water but then I removed it to have smaller 
size of files. the point is that It didn't complain or crash when I was using 
that trajectory, choosing water in the groups selecting. but it didn't also 
generate any output. that is why I asked that ...

Anyway since I have gro files time to time, I think I will cat all the gro file 
and use that for analysis of h_bond.  
Fahimeh

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From: David van der Spoel sp...@xray.bmc.uu.se
Subject: Re: [gmx-users] g_hbond
To: Discussion list for GROMACS users gmx-users@gromacs.org
Date: Friday, September 17, 2010, 9:37 PM

On 9/17/10 5:37 PM, Justin A. Lemkul wrote:


 Fahimeh Baftizadeh Baghal wrote:
 hello,
 I have a trajectory generated by gromacs in which I excluded water and
 there is only protein, now I like to see how does the number of h_bond
 between water and protein change during the trajectory. In fact when I
 use g_hbond I can choose the water and protein but I was wondering
 where does the information about water come from??

 Certainly you can choose whatever groups are present (either from
 default groups or from those in an index file), but I would imagine the
 command will either fail or simply identify that there are no hydrogen
 bond donors or acceptors within what would otherwise be water.

 If you have not saved the coordinates for water, you cannot run any
 command to analyze properties related to or involving water.

In theory you could get an approximate number from analyzing what polar 
groups are not hydrogen bonded intramolecularly. There is not ready tool 
to do this. The quickest solution is probably to rerun the simulation. 
In most cases human time is more valuable than computer time.


 -Justin

 thank you in advance for your time

 Fahimeh



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[gmx-users] g_cluster cutoff

2010-09-17 Thread Kukol, Andreas
Hi,

I am using g_cluster to analyse a trajectory (protein backbone):

g_cluster -f traj.xtc -s topol.tpr -g cluster.log -skip 10 -cutoff 0.5 -fit 
-method linkage

As a result I get almost hundred clusters. The plot of the RMSD against time 
for the same trajectory generated with g_rms shows a maximum RMSD just below 
0.5 nm. Therefore, with a -cutoff of 0.5 nm, I would expect to find that the 
whole trajectory clusters into ONE cluster. Am I expecting something wrong or 
is there a problem with g_cluster ?

(using Gromacs 4.07)

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[gmx-users] force field to freeze/evaporate

2010-09-17 Thread Vitaly Chaban
Hi all,
Sorry for my a bit off-top message. Does anybody know the force field
model for water (polarizable/non-polarizable) that can reproduce the
temperatures of liquid freezing/evaporation? For other common liquids,
such models are also of interest. Thanks a lot. ~Vitaly

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RE: [gmx-users] force field to freeze/evaporate

2010-09-17 Thread Berk Hess

Hi,

Of the cheap models I would think tip4p 2001 is the best.
This has been parametrized to reproduce the phase diagram of water
and does surprisingly well.

Berk

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 Sorry for my a bit off-top message. Does anybody know the force field
 model for water (polarizable/non-polarizable) that can reproduce the
 temperatures of liquid freezing/evaporation? For other common liquids,
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[gmx-users] unit conversions

2010-09-17 Thread Ramachandran G
Hi gmx-users,
I would like to know the units conversion of epsilon, sigma (from
non-bonded, Van der Waal interaction)  from Charmm or MOIL to gromacs.
Thank you.

with regards,
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Re: [gmx-users] unit conversions

2010-09-17 Thread Justin A. Lemkul



Ramachandran G wrote:

Hi gmx-users,
I would like to know the units conversion of epsilon, sigma (from 
non-bonded, Van der Waal interaction)  from Charmm or MOIL to gromacs.

Thank you.



My guess would be that each of the respective manuals would discuss whatever 
unit conventions are utilized.  As far as Gromacs is concerned, Chapter 4 
contains information about such matters, as well as Table 5.2 (and sections nearby).


-Justin


with regards,
Rama




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[gmx-users] ACE patch for CHARMM27

2010-09-17 Thread Krzysztof Kuczera

 Hi GMXers,

I am interested in simulating blocked peptides with CHARMM (and other
force fields), using gromacs-4.5, and would appreciate some help from
more experienced GROMACS users on details.

To test things out I made a stab at creating an ACE N-terminal patch - 
this exists in OPLSAA, AMBER and CHARMM, so I added this to 
charmm27.ff/aminoacids.n.tdb:


[ ACE ]
[ add ]
 1 2 CY   NCA   C
   C12.011000.51
 1 2 OY   CY   NCA
   O15.99900   -0.51
 1 1 CAY  CY   OY   N
   CT3  12.01100  -0.27
 3 4 HY   CAY  CY   N
   HA1.00800   0.09
[ impropers ]
 CY CAY N OY
 N  CY  CA HN
[ cmap ]
 CY  N  CA  C  +N


Then built the top file with:
pdb2gmx -f -inter ala5_alpha.pdb -p ala5.top -o ala5.gro -ff charmm27 
-water tip3p -nochargegrp


selecting ACE/CT2 as my terminal types


The ala5.gro geometry looks fine, but in the ala5.top file  there is no 
bond between atoms 2 and 7 (CY==OY in the patch), so the OY oxygen 
starts to drift off in EM and MD. All other bonds are generated.


Can you tell me what is wrong here? Maybe somebody has already made a
patch that works?

I attach the ala5_alpha.pdb file

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Re: [gmx-users] ACE patch for CHARMM27

2010-09-17 Thread Justin A. Lemkul



Krzysztof Kuczera wrote:

 Hi GMXers,

I am interested in simulating blocked peptides with CHARMM (and other
force fields), using gromacs-4.5, and would appreciate some help from
more experienced GROMACS users on details.

To test things out I made a stab at creating an ACE N-terminal patch - 
this exists in OPLSAA, AMBER and CHARMM, so I added this to 
charmm27.ff/aminoacids.n.tdb:


[ ACE ]
[ add ]
 1 2 CY   NCA   C
   C12.011000.51
 1 2 OY   CY   NCA
   O15.99900   -0.51
 1 1 CAY  CY   OY   N
   CT3  12.01100  -0.27
 3 4 HY   CAY  CY   N
   HA1.00800   0.09
[ impropers ]
 CY CAY N OY
 N  CY  CA HN
[ cmap ]
 CY  N  CA  C  +N


Then built the top file with:
pdb2gmx -f -inter ala5_alpha.pdb -p ala5.top -o ala5.gro -ff charmm27 
-water tip3p -nochargegrp


selecting ACE/CT2 as my terminal types


The ala5.gro geometry looks fine, but in the ala5.top file  there is no 
bond between atoms 2 and 7 (CY==OY in the patch), so the OY oxygen 
starts to drift off in EM and MD. All other bonds are generated.


Can you tell me what is wrong here? Maybe somebody has already made a
patch that works?



Nowhere in the .tdb entry is such a bond specified, nor can it be.  The correct 
approach is to define .rtp entries, i.e.:


http://lists.gromacs.org/pipermail/gmx-users/2010-July/052270.html

-Justin


I attach the ala5_alpha.pdb file

Krzysztof



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Re: [gmx-users] unit conversions

2010-09-17 Thread Ramachandran G
I understood from the gromacs manual the units for epsilon and sigma are
KJ/mol and nm  and the corresponding units in MOIL Kcal/mol and Angstom. But
when i checked for some atoms, the epsilon values are not matching. i.e.,
for example i took the value of epsilon value of S from gromacs 1.8828 and
divided by the conversion faction 4.184. The result is 0.45 but in MOIL the
value is 0.25. I also checked some other atoms like K,Na,Cl... there also
the values does not match.

If anybody knows where i am making mistake please teach me. Thank you.

with regards,
Rama

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 Ramachandran G wrote:

 Hi gmx-users,
I would like to know the units conversion of epsilon, sigma (from
 non-bonded, Van der Waal interaction)  from Charmm or MOIL to gromacs.
 Thank you.


 My guess would be that each of the respective manuals would discuss
 whatever unit conventions are utilized.  As far as Gromacs is concerned,
 Chapter 4 contains information about such matters, as well as Table 5.2 (and
 sections nearby).

 -Justin

  with regards,
 Rama



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Re: [gmx-users] unit conversions

2010-09-17 Thread Justin A. Lemkul



Ramachandran G wrote:
I understood from the gromacs manual the units for epsilon and sigma are 
KJ/mol and nm  and the corresponding units in MOIL Kcal/mol and Angstom. 
But when i checked for some atoms, the epsilon values are not matching. 
i.e., for example i took the value of epsilon value of S from gromacs 
1.8828 and divided by the conversion faction 4.184. The result is 0.45 
but in MOIL the value is 0.25. I also checked some other atoms like 
K,Na,Cl... there also the values does not match.




Are you comparing the same force fields?  According to the MOIL documentation, 
CHARMM is not implemented unless the user provides it.  However, the epsilon 
value of OPLS-UA sulfur (1.046), when converted to MOIL units (kcal/mol), is 
0.25, which I assume is where you're finding that value.


-Justin


If anybody knows where i am making mistake please teach me. Thank you.

with regards,
Rama

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Ramachandran G wrote:

Hi gmx-users,
   I would like to know the units conversion of epsilon, sigma
(from non-bonded, Van der Waal interaction)  from Charmm or MOIL
to gromacs.
Thank you.


My guess would be that each of the respective manuals would discuss
whatever unit conventions are utilized.  As far as Gromacs is
concerned, Chapter 4 contains information about such matters, as
well as Table 5.2 (and sections nearby).

-Justin

with regards,
Rama



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Re: [gmx-users] unit conversions

2010-09-17 Thread Ramachandran G
Thank you Justin,
 You are right i am not comparing the same force field.
   But i am still curious to know the conversion factor for epsilon from
MOIL to gromacs(charmm)force field.
i.e., for sulfur epsilon value of 0.25 to 1.8828. Thank you.

with regards,
Rama

On Fri, Sep 17, 2010 at 5:21 PM, Justin A. Lemkul jalem...@vt.edu wrote:



 Ramachandran G wrote:

 I understood from the gromacs manual the units for epsilon and sigma are
 KJ/mol and nm  and the corresponding units in MOIL Kcal/mol and Angstom. But
 when i checked for some atoms, the epsilon values are not matching. i.e.,
 for example i took the value of epsilon value of S from gromacs 1.8828 and
 divided by the conversion faction 4.184. The result is 0.45 but in MOIL the
 value is 0.25. I also checked some other atoms like K,Na,Cl... there also
 the values does not match.


 Are you comparing the same force fields?  According to the MOIL
 documentation, CHARMM is not implemented unless the user provides it.
  However, the epsilon value of OPLS-UA sulfur (1.046), when converted to
 MOIL units (kcal/mol), is 0.25, which I assume is where you're finding that
 value.

 -Justin

  If anybody knows where i am making mistake please teach me. Thank you.

 with regards,
 Rama

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 jalem...@vt.edu wrote:



Ramachandran G wrote:

Hi gmx-users,
   I would like to know the units conversion of epsilon, sigma
(from non-bonded, Van der Waal interaction)  from Charmm or MOIL
to gromacs.
Thank you.


My guess would be that each of the respective manuals would discuss
whatever unit conventions are utilized.  As far as Gromacs is
concerned, Chapter 4 contains information about such matters, as
well as Table 5.2 (and sections nearby).

-Justin

with regards,
Rama



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Re: [gmx-users] unit conversions

2010-09-17 Thread Justin A. Lemkul



Ramachandran G wrote:

Thank you Justin,
 You are right i am not comparing the same force field.
   But i am still curious to know the conversion factor for epsilon from 
MOIL to gromacs(charmm)force field.

i.e., for sulfur epsilon value of 0.25 to 1.8828. Thank you.



If you are not comparing the same force fields, you are not likely to get the 
same answer.  I thought I identified the fact that the value you are referring 
to corresponds to the MOIL implementation of OPLS-UA, which has no relationship 
whatsoever to the Gromacs implementation of CHARMM.


Dividing by 4.184 is the correct conversion factor for kcal-kJ.

-Justin


with regards,
Rama

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mailto:jalem...@vt.edu wrote:




Ramachandran G wrote:

I understood from the gromacs manual the units for epsilon and
sigma are KJ/mol and nm  and the corresponding units in MOIL
Kcal/mol and Angstom. But when i checked for some atoms, the
epsilon values are not matching. i.e., for example i took the
value of epsilon value of S from gromacs 1.8828 and divided by
the conversion faction 4.184. The result is 0.45 but in MOIL the
value is 0.25. I also checked some other atoms like K,Na,Cl...
there also the values does not match.


Are you comparing the same force fields?  According to the MOIL
documentation, CHARMM is not implemented unless the user provides
it.  However, the epsilon value of OPLS-UA sulfur (1.046), when
converted to MOIL units (kcal/mol), is 0.25, which I assume is where
you're finding that value.

-Justin

If anybody knows where i am making mistake please teach me.
Thank you.

with regards,
Rama

On Fri, Sep 17, 2010 at 2:20 PM, Justin A. Lemkul
jalem...@vt.edu mailto:jalem...@vt.edu
mailto:jalem...@vt.edu mailto:jalem...@vt.edu wrote:



   Ramachandran G wrote:

   Hi gmx-users,
  I would like to know the units conversion of epsilon,
sigma
   (from non-bonded, Van der Waal interaction)  from Charmm
or MOIL
   to gromacs.
   Thank you.


   My guess would be that each of the respective manuals would
discuss
   whatever unit conventions are utilized.  As far as Gromacs is
   concerned, Chapter 4 contains information about such matters, as
   well as Table 5.2 (and sections nearby).

   -Justin

   with regards,
   Rama



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Re: [gmx-users] unit conversions

2010-09-17 Thread Ramachandran G
Thank you for your clarification.
Rama

On Fri, Sep 17, 2010 at 5:49 PM, Justin A. Lemkul jalem...@vt.edu wrote:



 Ramachandran G wrote:

 Thank you Justin,
 You are right i am not comparing the same force field.
   But i am still curious to know the conversion factor for epsilon from
 MOIL to gromacs(charmm)force field.
 i.e., for sulfur epsilon value of 0.25 to 1.8828. Thank you.


 If you are not comparing the same force fields, you are not likely to get
 the same answer.  I thought I identified the fact that the value you are
 referring to corresponds to the MOIL implementation of OPLS-UA, which has no
 relationship whatsoever to the Gromacs implementation of CHARMM.

 Dividing by 4.184 is the correct conversion factor for kcal-kJ.

 -Justin

 with regards,
 Rama


 On Fri, Sep 17, 2010 at 5:21 PM, Justin A. Lemkul jalem...@vt.edumailto:
 jalem...@vt.edu wrote:



Ramachandran G wrote:

I understood from the gromacs manual the units for epsilon and
sigma are KJ/mol and nm  and the corresponding units in MOIL
Kcal/mol and Angstom. But when i checked for some atoms, the
epsilon values are not matching. i.e., for example i took the
value of epsilon value of S from gromacs 1.8828 and divided by
the conversion faction 4.184. The result is 0.45 but in MOIL the
value is 0.25. I also checked some other atoms like K,Na,Cl...
there also the values does not match.


Are you comparing the same force fields?  According to the MOIL
documentation, CHARMM is not implemented unless the user provides
it.  However, the epsilon value of OPLS-UA sulfur (1.046), when
converted to MOIL units (kcal/mol), is 0.25, which I assume is where
you're finding that value.

-Justin

If anybody knows where i am making mistake please teach me.
Thank you.

with regards,
Rama

On Fri, Sep 17, 2010 at 2:20 PM, Justin A. Lemkul
jalem...@vt.edu mailto:jalem...@vt.edu
mailto:jalem...@vt.edu mailto:jalem...@vt.edu wrote:



   Ramachandran G wrote:

   Hi gmx-users,
  I would like to know the units conversion of epsilon,
sigma
   (from non-bonded, Van der Waal interaction)  from Charmm
or MOIL
   to gromacs.
   Thank you.


   My guess would be that each of the respective manuals would
discuss
   whatever unit conventions are utilized.  As far as Gromacs is
   concerned, Chapter 4 contains information about such matters, as
   well as Table 5.2 (and sections nearby).

   -Justin

   with regards,
   Rama



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   MILES-IGERT Trainee
   Department of Biochemistry
   Virginia Tech
   Blacksburg, VA
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231-9080

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