[gmx-users] Using Amber Force Field in gromacs

2011-10-21 Thread madhumita das
Hi GROMACS users,


I have generated topology and gromacs files using acpype.py .This is a
membrane protein and thus to be simulated along with membrane. How can I use
AMBER forcefield instead of GROMOS force field. Should I do the  same as
stated in the GROMACS tutorial in which GROMOS force field has been used?

Please help me.


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[gmx-users] extend simulation without tpbconv

2011-10-21 Thread Chandan Choudhury
Hi gmx-users,

Is it possible to extend a simulation with change in the output control
parameter (nstxtcout)?
I am aware of that tpbconv can extend a simulation with the same output
controls as in the input tpr file.

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Re: [gmx-users] Using Amber Force Field in gromacs

2011-10-21 Thread Justin A. Lemkul



madhumita das wrote:

Hi GROMACS users,


I have generated topology and gromacs files using acpype.py .This is a 
membrane protein and thus to be simulated along with membrane. How can I 
use AMBER forcefield instead of GROMOS force field. Should I do the  
same as stated in the GROMACS tutorial in which GROMOS force field has 
been used?
   


You should not combine different force fields, so no, you should not simply 
follow that tutorial and attempt to use a ligand topology designed for an AMBER 
force field.  The general workflow is largely the same, however, so you can 
apply the logic of the tutorial to whatever your system is.


-Justin

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Re: [gmx-users] Re: Preparation of the pure lipid system with charmm force field

2011-10-21 Thread Justin A. Lemkul



James Starlight wrote:
I've excluded   charmm36.ff/lipids.rtp from my topology and obtain new 
error

Fatal error:
No such moleculetype POPC

How I could include topology on this lipids ( all of them are present in 
the lipids.rtp. ) ?
I have itp for the lipids only for the GROMOS ff so it should not be 
used here




I presented the details of this procedure to you already:

http://lists.gromacs.org/pipermail/gmx-users/2011-October/065311.html

-Justin



James


2011/10/21 Mark Abraham mark.abra...@anu.edu.au 
mailto:mark.abra...@anu.edu.au


On 21/10/2011 5:41 PM, James Starlight wrote:

I've also tried to make topology for my system parametriesed for
charmm36 ff by hands but failed too :(

This is my topology for the POPC bilayer wich I've made in VMD
membrane builder as well as downloaded a pre built membrane
system ( I've tested for both cases)

; Include chain topologies
#include charmm36.ff/forcefield.itp

; Include lipids
#include charmm36.ff/lipids.rtp


.rtp files may not be #included




; Include water topology
#include /charmm36.ff/tip3p.itp


Initial backslash refers to the root of your file system, so is
likely wrong.



; Include ion topologies
#include charmm36.ff/ions.itp

; System specifications
[ system ]
128-Lipid POPC Bilayer in water

[ molecules ]
POPC 72

When I've loaded my molecule to grompp I've obtained error

Program grompp, VERSION 4.5.4
Source code file: /tmp/gromacs-4.5.4/src/kernel/__toppush.c,
line: 770

Fatal error:
Unknown bond_atomtype 1

What does it means? Is here anybody who also tried to
parametriesed theis lipids by charmm ff ?


Don't blame the ff yet :-)

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Re: [gmx-users] Simulation of membrane protein

2011-10-21 Thread Justin A. Lemkul





You'll learn far more by discovering it yourself.


I stand by this statement.  Perhaps some kind person with sufficient time on 
their hands will do your literature searching for you, but I do not, sorry.  The 
information you need is out there.  Start with the primary citation for whatever 
force field you want and search databases for citing articles or check out the 
references therein.  Even Google can pull up very useful results within seconds, 
provided you've given sufficiently specific keywords.


-Justin




That's why at the present moment I'm examining different force fields 
and their implementation to the different systems. Could you recomend me 
some survey arcticle when I could find something usefull for this ?  In 
particular I wounder to know about parametrisation for the membrane 
systems? Previosly I've found that charmm ff is ,ost accurasy in the 
case of such examination but I've not been able to rapametrise my 
bilayers via this ff yet ;x
On other hand I have not difficulties with GROMOS ff for different 
systems ( e.g I've obtained very stabile systems durins some ns of 
simulations but I dont know about accuracy of the parametrisation of 
this ff in the case of membrane system for example .


Finally I'm looking for tutorial for simulation of the pure lipids. E.g 
I want to simulate of different physical events on my membrane ( e.g I 
want to overkill my membrane by hyperpolarisation or other electrostatic 
effects emerged on the different steps of my simulation ) Could you also 
recomend me methodical literature for this styding?




James


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Re: [gmx-users] Potential Energy Landscape

2011-10-21 Thread Justin A. Lemkul



Natalie Stephenson wrote:

Hi Justin (and gmx-users),

I've been looking into using g_sham for the free energy landscapes, however
I'm not sure what variables I should plot ... could I just use the g_energy
(potential) outputs to produce the energy landscape??  Other examples I've
seen using g_sham have done quite in depth eigenvector projections before
plotting them using g_sham.



The free energy of potential energy is probably not a meaningful quantity ;)


What inputs would I require in order to determine how loading rate an
increased loading rate on the simulation would change the force results?

I know I'm probably being completely dumb but my use of maths has been
sporadic to say the least in the last 7 years ... so getting back into it is
proving more confusing!



You haven't provided a lot of detail about what you're doing, what you've 
measured, or what you hope to achieve.  In general, one plots two variables (one 
on each axis), and g_sham calculates a free energy based simply on the 
probability of occurrence of these values.  For instance, for protein folding 
experiments, often the RMSD relative to the known structure is one variable, and 
something else like native contacts or hydrogen bonds is plotted as the other 
variable.  The free energy surface is then generated as a function of 
intramolecular association and similarity to a known structure.


-Justin


Natalie

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users Subject: Re: [gmx-users] Potential Energy Landscape

Natalie Stephenson wrote:
I was recently told in passing that it would be possible to construct a 
'potential energy landscape' from the simulations I have performed. This

way I could remove any loading rate differences between simulations and
experimental force experiments I've been performing ... however I cannot
find anywhere in which this is mentioned.

The only thing close I could find that was close was the free energy 
landscape using g_anaeig under the Dihedral PCA 
(http://www.gromacs.org/Documentation/How-tos/Dihedral_PCA?highlight=dihedral+pca
 
http://www.gromacs.org/Documentation/How-tos/Dihedral_PCA?highlight=dihedral+pca)

 however, I'm not sure this is what I'm looking for.

Does anyone know where I would be able to find out / read more about how to
create potential energy landscapes from my simulation outputs?



g_sham produces free energy landscapes for any variables plotted against one 
another.


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Re: [gmx-users] Re: Preparation of the pure lipid system with charmm force field

2011-10-21 Thread James Starlight
Justin,

In that way there was only one point wich was not understood for me


In charmm I already have lipids.rtp with the parametries for my lipids. Also
I have a single molecule of my lipid.
How via pdb2gmx I could create parametrised itp file except of posre.itp ?

James

2011/10/21 Justin A. Lemkul jalem...@vt.edu



 James Starlight wrote:

 I've excluded   charmm36.ff/lipids.rtp from my topology and obtain new
 error
 Fatal error:
 No such moleculetype POPC

 How I could include topology on this lipids ( all of them are present in
 the lipids.rtp. ) ?
 I have itp for the lipids only for the GROMOS ff so it should not be used
 here


 I presented the details of this procedure to you already:

 http://lists.gromacs.org/**pipermail/gmx-users/2011-**October/065311.htmlhttp://lists.gromacs.org/pipermail/gmx-users/2011-October/065311.html

 -Justin


 James


 2011/10/21 Mark Abraham mark.abra...@anu.edu.au mailto:
 mark.abra...@anu.edu.**au mark.abra...@anu.edu.au


On 21/10/2011 5:41 PM, James Starlight wrote:

I've also tried to make topology for my system parametriesed for
charmm36 ff by hands but failed too :(

This is my topology for the POPC bilayer wich I've made in VMD
membrane builder as well as downloaded a pre built membrane
system ( I've tested for both cases)

; Include chain topologies
#include charmm36.ff/forcefield.itp

; Include lipids
#include charmm36.ff/lipids.rtp


.rtp files may not be #included




; Include water topology
#include /charmm36.ff/tip3p.itp


Initial backslash refers to the root of your file system, so is
likely wrong.



; Include ion topologies
#include charmm36.ff/ions.itp

; System specifications
[ system ]
128-Lipid POPC Bilayer in water

[ molecules ]
POPC 72

When I've loaded my molecule to grompp I've obtained error

Program grompp, VERSION 4.5.4
Source code file: /tmp/gromacs-4.5.4/src/kernel/**__toppush.c,

line: 770

Fatal error:
Unknown bond_atomtype 1

What does it means? Is here anybody who also tried to
parametriesed theis lipids by charmm ff ?


Don't blame the ff yet :-)

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Re: [gmx-users] Re: Preparation of the pure lipid system with charmm force field

2011-10-21 Thread Justin A. Lemkul



James Starlight wrote:

Justin,

In that way there was only one point wich was not understood for me


In charmm I already have lipids.rtp with the parametries for my lipids. 
Also I have a single molecule of my lipid.

How via pdb2gmx I could create parametrised itp file except of posre.itp ?



If you don't need posre.itp, don't use it.  What you really need is the topology 
for the lipid, which pdb2gmx will write for you, provided the input is 
syntactically correct and in agreement with the .rtp file.


-Justin

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Re: [gmx-users] Re: Preparation of the pure lipid system with charmm force field

2011-10-21 Thread James Starlight
So I should to use topol.top obtained for 1 lipid as the lipid.itp for the
sustem contained of the same lipids, shouldnt I?

2011/10/21 Justin A. Lemkul jalem...@vt.edu



 James Starlight wrote:

 Justin,

 In that way there was only one point wich was not understood for me


 In charmm I already have lipids.rtp with the parametries for my lipids.
 Also I have a single molecule of my lipid.
 How via pdb2gmx I could create parametrised itp file except of posre.itp ?


 If you don't need posre.itp, don't use it.  What you really need is the
 topology for the lipid, which pdb2gmx will write for you, provided the input
 is syntactically correct and in agreement with the .rtp file.

 -Justin


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Re: [gmx-users] Re: Preparation of the pure lipid system with charmm force field

2011-10-21 Thread Justin A. Lemkul



James Starlight wrote:
So I should to use topol.top obtained for 1 lipid as the lipid.itp for 
the sustem contained of the same lipids, shouldnt I?




A .top can be converted to a .itp which can then be included in a real system 
.top topology.  So the lipid .top that you receive from pdb2gmx should be 
modified according to:


http://www.gromacs.org/Documentation/File_Formats/.itp_File

-Justin


2011/10/21 Justin A. Lemkul jalem...@vt.edu mailto:jalem...@vt.edu



James Starlight wrote:

Justin,

In that way there was only one point wich was not understood for me


In charmm I already have lipids.rtp with the parametries for my
lipids. Also I have a single molecule of my lipid.
How via pdb2gmx I could create parametrised itp file except of
posre.itp ?


If you don't need posre.itp, don't use it.  What you really need is
the topology for the lipid, which pdb2gmx will write for you,
provided the input is syntactically correct and in agreement with
the .rtp file.

-Justin


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Re: [gmx-users] extend simulation without tpbconv

2011-10-21 Thread Mark Abraham

On 21/10/2011 10:49 PM, Chandan Choudhury wrote:

Hi gmx-users,

Is it possible to extend a simulation with change in the output 
control parameter (nstxtcout)?


Yes, but not with tpbconv. Take your original .mdp file, change what you 
want, invoke grompp the same way. You can either give the checkpoint 
file to grompp -t or to mdrun -cpi depending what you are doing.


Mark

I am aware of that tpbconv can extend a simulation with the same 
output controls as in the input tpr file.


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[gmx-users] mismatch in coordinate and topology

2011-10-21 Thread Samrat Pal
Hi All,
  I am trying to minimize the chryptochrome structure that has one FAD 
and one MHF ligand bound to it.
Following are the steps that I performed 
 
(1) Created the protein coordinate(gro) file using pdb2gmx command and choosing 
GROMOS43a1 force-field 
 
(2) Created the FAD and MHF topology and coordinate files using PRODRG where I 
have chosen 
a) no chirality, b) full charge and (c) no minimization. I have not seen any 
option for choosing force-field in the server.  
 
(3) I have taken the corresponding coordinate and topology files from that 
server, appended the coordinates of both the ligands in the gro file of the 
protein (before the box vector i.e. the last line), and also included the 
ligand topology files in the topol.top file after posre.itp and before 
spc.itpaccordingly.
 
(4) I have also added two lines in the [molecules] section like, 
FAD  1
MHF  1
 
(5) Then I have created a cubic box where I have taken the coordinate and 
solvated the protein+ligands coordinate with spc water model using genbox.
 
(6) Then I tried to create the em.tpr file from em.mdp file using grompp 
command.
 
I got the following error message --- number of atoms in the coordinate file 
does not match with topology file where topology file has 31 missing atoms 
according to the numbers shown in the error message.
 
I have checked the topology file after solvation and it is updated having the 
last line of the file with SOL  34741.
 
I have been using gromacs for few months and I have successfully simulated 
systems with ligands before. Could anybody please tell me where I am doing 
wrong? 
 
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Re: [gmx-users] mismatch in coordinate and topology

2011-10-21 Thread Justin A. Lemkul



Samrat Pal wrote:

Hi All,
  I am trying to minimize the chryptochrome structure that has 
one FAD and one MHF ligand bound to it.

Following are the steps that I performed 
 
(1) Created the protein coordinate(gro) file using pdb2gmx command and 
choosing GROMOS43a1 force-field
 
(2) Created the FAD and MHF topology and coordinate files using PRODRG 
where I have chosen
a) no chirality, b) full charge and (c) no minimization. /I have not 
seen any option for choosing force-field in the server/.  
 
(3) I have taken the corresponding coordinate and topology files from 
that server, appended the coordinates of both the ligands in the gro 
file of the protein (before the box vector i.e. the last line), and also 
included the ligand topology files in the topol.top file after 
posre.itp and before spc.itpaccordingly.


Regarding (2) and (3) - the output of the PRODRG server will likely give poor 
results.  See the paper linked from 
http://www.gromacs.org/Downloads/Related_Software/PRODRG#Tips.


 
(4) I have also added two lines in the [molecules] section like,

FAD  1
MHF  1
 
(5) Then I have created a cubic box where I have taken the coordinate 
and solvated the protein+ligands coordinate with spc water model using 
genbox.
 


A dodecahedral box is likely going to be more efficient, but this is not 
relevant to the problem at hand.


(6) Then I tried to create the em.tpr file from em.mdp file using grompp 
command.
 
I got the following error message --- number of atoms in the coordinate 
file does not match with topology file where topology file has 31 
missing atoms according to the numbers shown in the error message.
 


OK, so do any of your molecules consist of 31 atoms?  Do you get any notes about 
non-matching names?


I have checked the topology file after solvation and it is updated 
having the last line of the file with SOL  34741.
 
I have been using gromacs for few months and I have successfully 
simulated systems with ligands before. Could anybody please tell me 
where I am doing wrong? 
 


Did you properly increment the number of atoms in the coordinate file after 
adding your ligands?


-Justin

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Re: [gmx-users] Re: Preparation of the pure lipid system with charmm force field

2011-10-21 Thread James Starlight
Justin,


So It seems that I've done all steps in accordance to that workflow  and
there have not been any more  errors during loading my system in the gromp.
:)

By the way I have some methodological questions

1- Could you provide me with the source of the initial single lipids?
Previously I've done my system based on the VMD plugin for bilayer
constructing but I want to find single lipids and prepared my system
by-hands.

2- Could you tell me other possible methods for self bi-layer preparation
starting from initial single lipid molecule ?


Thanks again,


James
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Re: [gmx-users] mismatch in coordinate and topology

2011-10-21 Thread Justin A. Lemkul



Samrat Pal wrote:

Hi Justin,

(1) None of the ligands have 31 atoms - FAD has 86 atoms and MHF has 54 
atoms. The error msg. does not show any specific mismatching.
 
(2) I forgot to mention that I have increased the number of the atoms on 
the top (2nd line) of the gro file after adding the 2 ligands.
 


Did you add any ions after solvation?  And if so, did you update your topology? 
 If SOL is the last entry, then likely not.


-Justin

Samrat  


*From:* Justin A. Lemkul jalem...@vt.edu
*To:* Samrat Pal psamra...@yahoo.com; Discussion list for GROMACS 
users gmx-users@gromacs.org

*Sent:* Friday, October 21, 2011 8:49 AM
*Subject:* Re: [gmx-users] mismatch in coordinate and topology



Samrat Pal wrote:
  Hi All,
   I am trying to minimize the chryptochrome structure that has 
one FAD and one MHF ligand bound to it.

  Following are the steps that I performed 
   (1) Created the protein coordinate(gro) file using pdb2gmx command 
and choosing GROMOS43a1 force-field
   (2) Created the FAD and MHF topology and coordinate files using 
PRODRG where I have chosen
  a) no chirality, b) full charge and (c) no minimization. /I have not 
seen any option for choosing force-field in the server/.  (3) I have 
taken the corresponding coordinate and topology files from that server, 
appended the coordinates of both the ligands in the gro file of the 
protein (before the box vector i.e. the last line), and also included 
the ligand topology files in the topol.top file after posre.itp and 
before spc.itpaccordingly.


Regarding (2) and (3) - the output of the PRODRG server will likely give 
poor results.  See the paper linked from 
http://www.gromacs.org/Downloads/Related_Software/PRODRG#Tips.


   (4) I have also added two lines in the [molecules] section like,
  FAD  1
  MHF  1
   (5) Then I have created a cubic box where I have taken the 
coordinate and solvated the protein+ligands coordinate with spc water 
model using genbox.
  

A dodecahedral box is likely going to be more efficient, but this is not 
relevant to the problem at hand.


  (6) Then I tried to create the em.tpr file from em.mdp file using 
grompp command.
   I got the following error message --- number of atoms in the 
coordinate file does not match with topology file where topology file 
has 31 missing atoms according to the numbers shown in the error message.
  

OK, so do any of your molecules consist of 31 atoms?  Do you get any 
notes about non-matching names?


  I have checked the topology file after solvation and it is updated 
having the last line of the file with SOL  34741.
   I have been using gromacs for few months and I have successfully 
simulated systems with ligands before. Could anybody please tell me 
where I am doing wrong? 

Did you properly increment the number of atoms in the coordinate file 
after adding your ligands?


-Justin

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Department of Biochemistry
Virginia Tech
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Re: [gmx-users] reg Hydrophobic interaction

2011-10-21 Thread Justin A. Lemkul



vidhya sankar wrote:

Dear Justin Thank you for your previous reply.
   
As u mailed me already g_mindist  of gromacs is the best tool to study 
about Hydrophobic contacts.
 From this i got only Average number of contacts. But i need the free 
energy of Hydrophobic interaction  in energy units . I am  doing 
umbrella pulling.

Which Method is best to study Hydrophobic interaction energies


That sounds like an application for an MM/PBSA type calculation.  This is not 
something Gromacs can currently do, but you may be able to port your trajectory 
to other software that can.  I have no experience doing this; maybe someone else 
can comment.


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Re: [gmx-users] Re: Preparation of the pure lipid system with charmm force field

2011-10-21 Thread Justin A. Lemkul



James Starlight wrote:

Justin,


So It seems that I've done all steps in accordance to that workflow  and 
there have not been any more  errors during loading my system in the 
gromp. :)


By the way I have some methodological questions

1- Could you provide me with the source of the initial single lipids? 
Previously I've done my system based on the VMD plugin for bilayer 
constructing but I want to find single lipids and prepared my system 
by-hands.




Here are several:

http://www.gromacs.org/Documentation/File_Formats/Coordinate_File#Sources

2- Could you tell me other possible methods for self bi-layer 
preparation starting from initial single lipid molecule ?




Packmol is a program that can build bilayers.  You can also build crude 
monolayers with Gromacs that can be manipulated with genconf -nbox.  These would 
require significant equilibration, as they are artificially crystalline.


-Justin



Thanks again,


James


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Re: [gmx-users] mismatch in coordinate and topology

2011-10-21 Thread Samrat Pal
Hi Justin,
No. I have not added any ions. 
Samrat



From: Justin A. Lemkul jalem...@vt.edu
To: Discussion list for GROMACS users gmx-users@gromacs.org
Sent: Friday, October 21, 2011 11:39 AM
Subject: Re: [gmx-users] mismatch in coordinate and topology



Samrat Pal wrote:
 Hi Justin,
        (1) None of the ligands have 31 atoms - FAD has 86 atoms and MHF has 
54 atoms. The error msg. does not show any specific mismatching.
  (2) I forgot to mention that I have increased the number of the atoms on the 
top (2nd line) of the gro file after adding the 2 ligands.
  

Did you add any ions after solvation?  And if so, did you update your 
topology?  If SOL is the last entry, then likely not.

-Justin

 Samrat  
 *From:* Justin A. Lemkul jalem...@vt.edu
 *To:* Samrat Pal psamra...@yahoo.com; Discussion list for GROMACS users 
 gmx-users@gromacs.org
 *Sent:* Friday, October 21, 2011 8:49 AM
 *Subject:* Re: [gmx-users] mismatch in coordinate and topology
 
 
 
 Samrat Pal wrote:
   Hi All,
            I am trying to minimize the chryptochrome structure that has one 
FAD and one MHF ligand bound to it.
   Following are the steps that I performed 
    (1) Created the protein coordinate(gro) file using pdb2gmx command and 
choosing GROMOS43a1 force-field
    (2) Created the FAD and MHF topology and coordinate files using PRODRG 
where I have chosen
   a) no chirality, b) full charge and (c) no minimization. /I have not seen 
any option for choosing force-field in the server/.  (3) I have taken the 
corresponding coordinate and topology files from that server, appended the 
coordinates of both the ligands in the gro file of the protein (before the box 
vector i.e. the last line), and also included the ligand topology files in the 
topol.top file after posre.itp and before spc.itpaccordingly.
 
 Regarding (2) and (3) - the output of the PRODRG server will likely give poor 
 results.  See the paper linked from 
 http://www.gromacs.org/Downloads/Related_Software/PRODRG#Tips.
 
    (4) I have also added two lines in the [molecules] section like,
   FAD  1
   MHF  1
    (5) Then I have created a cubic box where I have taken the coordinate and 
solvated the protein+ligands coordinate with spc water model using genbox.
   
 A dodecahedral box is likely going to be more efficient, but this is not 
 relevant to the problem at hand.
 
   (6) Then I tried to create the em.tpr file from em.mdp file using grompp 
command.
    I got the following error message --- number of atoms in the coordinate 
file does not match with topology file where topology file has 31 missing 
atoms according to the numbers shown in the error message.
   
 OK, so do any of your molecules consist of 31 atoms?  Do you get any notes 
 about non-matching names?
 
   I have checked the topology file after solvation and it is updated having 
the last line of the file with SOL  34741.
    I have been using gromacs for few months and I have successfully 
simulated systems with ligands before. Could anybody please tell me where I am 
doing wrong? 
 Did you properly increment the number of atoms in the coordinate file after 
 adding your ligands?
 
 -Justin
 
 -- 
 
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 Ph.D. Candidate
 ICTAS Doctoral Scholar
 MILES-IGERT Trainee
 Department of Biochemistry
 Virginia Tech
 Blacksburg, VA
 jalemkul[at]vt.edu | (540) 231-9080
 http://www.bevanlab.biochem.vt.edu/Pages/Personal/justin
 
 
 
 

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Re: [gmx-users] mismatch in coordinate and topology

2011-10-21 Thread Justin A. Lemkul



Samrat Pal wrote:

Hi Justin,
No. I have not added any ions.


Well, then it's a complete mystery.  You'll have to go through your coordinate 
file and topology and count the relevant number of molecules or atoms and decide 
for yourself where the mismatch comes from.  Nothing that you've provided 
explains where the problem comes from.


-Justin

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[gmx-users] POPC bilayer with Charmmff

2011-10-21 Thread ram bio
Dear Gromacs users,

I have downloaded the POPC bilayer molecular coordinates with charmmff
equilibrated from Dr. Klauda's website. In this site it is mentioned

Note: If you run these simulations in NAMD you MUST use NAMD 2.7b3
with vdw ForceSwitching turned on;

what does vdw ForceSwitching turned on mean, is it related to adding
few more parameters to mdp files? like

rlist   = 1.2
rlistlong   = 1.4
rcoulomb= 1.2
rvdw= 1.0
vdwtype = switch
rvdw_switch = 0.8
coulombtype = PME
pme_order   = 4
fourierspacing  = 0.16

and , does this apply to gromacs also, if i use these lipid bilayers
to run simulations in gromacs.

I have one more question, i want to increase this bilayer containing
72 lipids to 250 lipids, so how can i do this or can i get it
downloaded from any website like Dr.Klauda website

Please let me know your suggestions.

Thanks,

Pramod
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[gmx-users] increase the time frame

2011-10-21 Thread aiswarya pawar
Hi users,

Iam running a minimization on protein complex in vacuum. i have set the
parameters as following-

; Lines starting with ';' ARE COMMENTS
; Everything following ';' is also comment

title= Energy Minimization; Title of run

; The following line tell the program the standard locations where to find
certain files
cpp= /lib/cpp; Preprocessor


; Define can be used to control processes
define  = -DFLEXIBLE

; Parameters describing what to do, when to stop and what to save
integrator= steepest; Algorithm (steep = steepest descent
minimization)
emtol= 1000.0   ; Stop minimization when the maximum force  1.0
kJ/mol
emstep  = 0.01
nsteps= 5; Maximum number of (minimization) steps to
perform
nstenergy= 1  ; Write energies to disk every nstenergy steps
energygrps= Protein; Which energy group(s) to write to disk

; Parameters describing how to find the neighbors of each atom and how to
calculate the interactions
nstxout = 1
nstlist= 10; Frequency to update the neighbor list and long
range forces
ns_type= grid  ; Method to determine neighbor list (simple,
grid)
rlist= 1.0; Cut-off for making neighbor list (short range
forces)
coulombtype= cutoff   ; Treatment of long range electrostatic
interactions
rcoulomb= 1.0; long range electrostatic cut-off
rvdw= 1.4; long range Van der Waals cut-off
constraints= none; Bond types to replace by constraints
pbc= no; Periodic Boundary Conditions (yes/no)

But from this i could write only 2 frames i need to increase the time
frames, what is to be changed in the parameters.

Thanks,
Aiswarya
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Re: [gmx-users] extending simulation with grompp incorporating velocities

2011-10-21 Thread Mark Abraham

On 21/10/2011 4:51 PM, Chandan Choudhury wrote:
On Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at 10:26 AM, Mark Abraham 
mark.abra...@anu.edu.au mailto:mark.abra...@anu.edu.au wrote:


On 21/10/2011 3:25 PM, Chandan Choudhury wrote:


Dear gmx users,

A simulation was performed for 50 ns with

; RUN CONTROL
integrator   = md
nsteps   = 5000
dt   = 0.001
; OUTPUT CONTROL
nstxout  = 1000
nstvout  = 1000
nstxtcout= 0
nstlog   = 100
nstenergy= 100

The output produced were 0-50.edr, 0-50.trr, 0-50.log,
0-50.pdb state.cpt, state_prev.cpt. The simulation completed
normally.

After 50 ns, I intend to extend for 4 more ns, write the
trajectory file frequently with


Use tpbconv -extend. See
http://www.gromacs.org/Documentation/How-tos/Extending_Simulations


I was aware with the tpbconv command. But while using the tpbconv 
command, we cannot change the output frequency. If somehow the 
trajectory writing frequency can be changed, it will solve my curiosity.


Ah. Well for a new .mdp, you need the combination of nsteps, init_step 
and the step number in the .cpt to all make mutual sense, and perhaps 
tinit, etc. also. gmxdump -cp may help here. Note that tinit and 
init_step refer to the whole simulation, not the start of any 
non-initial chunk.


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[gmx-users] Re: Preparation of the pure lipid system with charmm force field

2011-10-21 Thread James Starlight
I've also tried to make topology for my system parametriesed for charmm36 ff
by hands but failed too :(

This is my topology for the POPC bilayer wich I've made in VMD membrane
builder as well as downloaded a pre built membrane system ( I've tested for
both cases)

; Include chain topologies
#include charmm36.ff/forcefield.itp

; Include lipids
#include charmm36.ff/lipids.rtp


; Include water topology
#include /charmm36.ff/tip3p.itp

; Include ion topologies
#include charmm36.ff/ions.itp

; System specifications
[ system ]
128-Lipid POPC Bilayer in water

[ molecules ]
POPC 72

When I've loaded my molecule to grompp I've obtained error

Program grompp, VERSION 4.5.4
Source code file: /tmp/gromacs-4.5.4/src/kernel/toppush.c, line: 770

Fatal error:
Unknown bond_atomtype 1

What does it means? Is here anybody who also tried to parametriesed theis
lipids by charmm ff ?


James

2011/10/20 James Starlight jmsstarli...@gmail.com

 Dear, Gromac's users!


 Today I've tried to make pure lipid bi-layer system from initial .pdb
 structure with the parametrization by the charmm ff. The main goal of this
 step is preparing the initial structure suitable for the futher simulation (
 creating gro, top and posre files)

 First I've download s system consisted of 72 dppc lipids solved with water.
 Then I've succesfull created .gro as well as .top files by the pdb2grmx for
 my lipid system.
 But on futher during creatinon of the tpr file by gromp I've obtained many
 errors like this


 ERROR 4378 [file topol.top, line 83773]:
   No default U-B types

 Also I've tried to make my own bi-layer by VMD membrane plugin. After
 processing of this file by pdb2gmx I've obtained many .itp files like
 topol_Other_chain_L2.itp included in the generated topology file topol.top.

 But during loading this structure to the grompp I've obtained above
 mentioned error again. In both cases I've used mdp file for gromp consist of
 minimization algorithm ( attached).

 What I've done wrong? Could you provide me with the workable algorithm for
 preparation of the pure lipid system parametriezed by charm27 ?


 Finally I have small queation about charmm structures- I've found already
 pre-equilibrated bi-layers
 http://terpconnect.umd.edu/~jbklauda/research/download.html where each pdb
 file is accompanied by the PSF ones. As I've understood the PSF is the same
 to the top in the Gromacs. Could I convert PSF to the TOP for already
 pre-built system?


 Thanks for help

 James

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Re: [gmx-users] Re: Preparation of the pure lipid system with charmm force field

2011-10-21 Thread Mark Abraham

On 21/10/2011 5:41 PM, James Starlight wrote:
I've also tried to make topology for my system parametriesed for 
charmm36 ff by hands but failed too :(


This is my topology for the POPC bilayer wich I've made in VMD 
membrane builder as well as downloaded a pre built membrane system ( 
I've tested for both cases)


; Include chain topologies
#include charmm36.ff/forcefield.itp

; Include lipids
#include charmm36.ff/lipids.rtp


.rtp files may not be #included




; Include water topology
#include /charmm36.ff/tip3p.itp


Initial backslash refers to the root of your file system, so is likely 
wrong.




; Include ion topologies
#include charmm36.ff/ions.itp

; System specifications
[ system ]
128-Lipid POPC Bilayer in water

[ molecules ]
POPC 72

When I've loaded my molecule to grompp I've obtained error

Program grompp, VERSION 4.5.4
Source code file: /tmp/gromacs-4.5.4/src/kernel/toppush.c, line: 770

Fatal error:
Unknown bond_atomtype 1

What does it means? Is here anybody who also tried to parametriesed 
theis lipids by charmm ff ?


Don't blame the ff yet :-)

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Re: [gmx-users] increase the time frame

2011-10-21 Thread Mark Abraham

On 21/10/2011 5:09 PM, aiswarya pawar wrote:

Hi users,

Iam running a minimization on protein complex in vacuum. i have set 
the parameters as following-


; Lines starting with ';' ARE COMMENTS
; Everything following ';' is also comment

title= Energy Minimization; Title of run

; The following line tell the program the standard locations where to 
find certain files

cpp= /lib/cpp; Preprocessor


; Define can be used to control processes
define  = -DFLEXIBLE

; Parameters describing what to do, when to stop and what to save
integrator= steepest; Algorithm (steep = steepest descent 
minimization)
emtol= 1000.0   ; Stop minimization when the maximum force 
 1.0 kJ/mol

emstep  = 0.01
nsteps= 5; Maximum number of (minimization) steps 
to perform

nstenergy= 1  ; Write energies to disk every nstenergy steps
energygrps= Protein; Which energy group(s) to write to disk

; Parameters describing how to find the neighbors of each atom and how 
to calculate the interactions

nstxout = 1
nstlist= 10; Frequency to update the neighbor list and 
long range forces
ns_type= grid  ; Method to determine neighbor list 
(simple, grid)
rlist= 1.0; Cut-off for making neighbor list (short 
range forces)
coulombtype= cutoff   ; Treatment of long range electrostatic 
interactions

rcoulomb= 1.0; long range electrostatic cut-off
rvdw= 1.4; long range Van der Waals cut-off
constraints= none; Bond types to replace by constraints
pbc= no; Periodic Boundary Conditions (yes/no)

But from this i could write only 2 frames i need to increase the time 
frames, what is to be changed in the parameters.


This will write every frame of the EM, but if it only has two steps...

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Re: [gmx-users] increase the time frame

2011-10-21 Thread aiswarya pawar
After running this minimization when i did gmxcheck i got this output

trn version: GMX_trn_file (single precision)
Reading frame   0 time9.000
# Atoms  4113
Reading frame   3 time   57.000
Timesteps at t=31 don't match (12, 26)
Reading frame   4 time   69.000
Timesteps at t=57 don't match (26, 12)
Reading frame  14 time  192.000
Timesteps at t=184 don't match (13, 8)
Last frame 14 time  192.000


Item#frames
Step15
Time15
Lambda  15
Coords  15
Velocities   0
Forces   0
Box 15


why is it saying that Timesteps at t=31 don't match (12, 26).


On Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at 12:25 PM, Mark Abraham mark.abra...@anu.edu.auwrote:

 On 21/10/2011 5:09 PM, aiswarya pawar wrote:

 Hi users,

 Iam running a minimization on protein complex in vacuum. i have set the
 parameters as following-

 ; Lines starting with ';' ARE COMMENTS
 ; Everything following ';' is also comment

 title= Energy Minimization; Title of run

 ; The following line tell the program the standard locations where to find
 certain files
 cpp= /lib/cpp; Preprocessor


 ; Define can be used to control processes
 define  = -DFLEXIBLE

 ; Parameters describing what to do, when to stop and what to save
 integrator= steepest; Algorithm (steep = steepest descent
 minimization)
 emtol= 1000.0   ; Stop minimization when the maximum force 
 1.0 kJ/mol
 emstep  = 0.01
 nsteps= 5; Maximum number of (minimization) steps to
 perform
 nstenergy= 1  ; Write energies to disk every nstenergy steps
 energygrps= Protein; Which energy group(s) to write to disk

 ; Parameters describing how to find the neighbors of each atom and how to
 calculate the interactions
 nstxout = 1
 nstlist= 10; Frequency to update the neighbor list and
 long range forces
 ns_type= grid  ; Method to determine neighbor list (simple,
 grid)
 rlist= 1.0; Cut-off for making neighbor list (short range
 forces)
 coulombtype= cutoff   ; Treatment of long range electrostatic
 interactions
 rcoulomb= 1.0; long range electrostatic cut-off
 rvdw= 1.4; long range Van der Waals cut-off
 constraints= none; Bond types to replace by constraints
 pbc= no; Periodic Boundary Conditions (yes/no)

 But from this i could write only 2 frames i need to increase the time
 frames, what is to be changed in the parameters.


 This will write every frame of the EM, but if it only has two steps...

 Mark
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Re: [gmx-users] Simulation of membrane protein

2011-10-21 Thread James Starlight
Justin, thanks again for the information

 Different force fields require different settings, most notably cutoffs.
 Understanding the intrinsics of the chosen force field is a prerequisite for
 using it.  Again, time spent in the literature here is more valuable than me
 spitting out settings that you should use.  You'll learn far more by
 discovering it yourself.


That's why at the present moment I'm examining different force fields and
their implementation to the different systems. Could you recomend me some
survey arcticle when I could find something usefull for this ?  In
particular I wounder to know about parametrisation for the membrane systems?
Previosly I've found that charmm ff is ,ost accurasy in the case of such
examination but I've not been able to rapametrise my bilayers via this ff
yet ;x
On other hand I have not difficulties with GROMOS ff for different systems (
e.g I've obtained very stabile systems durins some ns of simulations but I
dont know about accuracy of the parametrisation of this ff in the case of
membrane system for example .

Finally I'm looking for tutorial for simulation of the pure lipids. E.g I
want to simulate of different physical events on my membrane ( e.g I want to
overkill my membrane by hyperpolarisation or other electrostatic effects
emerged on the different steps of my simulation ) Could you also recomend me
methodical literature for this styding?



James


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[gmx-users] Residue - ligand interaction energy

2011-10-21 Thread Steven Neumann
Dear Gmx Users,

I run the simulation of my protein and ligands. I specified the energy
groups of each of the residue of my protein. I would like to calculate the
total interaction energy:
V=V(electr)+V(vdw) for each residue and my ligands as a function of the
distance between them.

I am interested in the contribution of vdW and electrostatic interactions
between them with respect to distance.
Do you have any clue which command can deal with this?

I thought about:

1. Using g_energy to calculate:

SR-LJ and SR-electrostatic with respect to time

2. g_dist of COM of ligand and each residue with respect to time.

Am I right or is there any direct tool which will calulate it?

Thank you,

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RE: [gmx-users] Potential Energy Landscape

2011-10-21 Thread Natalie Stephenson
Hi Justin (and gmx-users),

I've been looking into using g_sham for the free energy landscapes, however I'm 
not sure what variables I should plot ... could I just use the g_energy 
(potential) outputs to produce the energy landscape??  Other examples I've seen 
using g_sham have done quite in depth eigenvector projections before plotting 
them using g_sham.

What inputs would I require in order to determine how loading rate an increased 
loading rate on the simulation would change the force results?

I know I'm probably being completely dumb but my use of maths has been sporadic 
to say the least in the last 7 years ... so getting back into it is proving 
more confusing!

Natalie


Natalie Stephenson, B.Sc
PhD Research Associate

Manchester Interdisciplinary Biocentre
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From: gmx-users-boun...@gromacs.org [gmx-users-boun...@gromacs.org] on behalf 
of Justin A. Lemkul [jalem...@vt.edu]
Sent: 12 October 2011 18:22
To: Discussion list for GROMACS users
Subject: Re: [gmx-users] Potential Energy Landscape

Natalie Stephenson wrote:
 I was recently told in passing that it would be possible to construct a
 'potential energy landscape' from the simulations I have performed.
 This way I could remove any loading rate differences between simulations
 and experimental force experiments I've been performing ... however I
 cannot find anywhere in which this is mentioned.

 The only thing close I could find that was close was the free energy
 landscape using g_anaeig under the Dihedral PCA
 (http://www.gromacs.org/Documentation/How-tos/Dihedral_PCA?highlight=dihedral+pca
 http://www.gromacs.org/Documentation/How-tos/Dihedral_PCA?highlight=dihedral+pca)
 however, I'm not sure this is what I'm looking for.

 Does anyone know where I would be able to find out / read more about how
 to create potential energy landscapes from my simulation outputs?


g_sham produces free energy landscapes for any variables plotted against one
another.

-Justin

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2011-10-21 Thread pratik kaku

To whomsoever it may concern,
 
I am trying to create the tip6p itp file. In order to do that, since it is an 
overlap of the tip4p and tip5p model (visually)
I am trying to understand the a, b, and c values for the position of the dummy 
charge in the tip5p models.
 
Below is the part of the script that is of my concern.
_
[ dummies3 ]
; The position of the dummy is computed as follows:
;
; The distance from OW to L is 0.07 nm, the geometry is tetrahedral
; (109.47 deg)
; Therefore, a = b = 0.07 * cos (109.47/2) / | xOH1 + xOH2 |
; c = 0.07 * sin (109.47/2) / | xOH1 X xOH2 |
; =20
;
; Using | xOH1 X xOH2 | = | xOH1 | | xOH2 | sin (H1-O-H2)
; | xOH1 + xOH2 | = 2 | xOH1 | cos (H1-O-H2)
; Dummy pos x4 = x1 + a*x21 + b*x31 + c*(x21 X x31)
; Dummy from funct a b c
4 1 2 3 4 -0.344908 -0.344908 -6.4437903493
5 1 2 3 4 -0.344908 -0.344908 6.4437903493
___
 
I do understand everything except the bolded bit.
 
so far i have understood that |xOH1| is the magnitude of OH on the x-axis, but 
putting those values in i don't the the correct a, b, c.
I'm not good in vectors and i have had a look at the gromacs manual  (the 3out 
model ni figure 4.16).
 
I don't know where i am going wrong. 
 
I would appreciate the help thanks.
 
 
Thanks,
 
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[gmx-users] TIP5P calculating the dummy positions

2011-10-21 Thread pratik kaku

To whomsoever it may concern,
 
I am trying to create the tip6p itp file. In order to do that, since it is an 
overlap of the tip4p and tip5p model (visually)
I am trying to understand the a, b, and c values for the position of the dummy 
charge in the tip5p models.
 
Below is the part of the script that is of my concern.
_
[ dummies3 ]
; The position of the dummy is computed as follows:
;
; The distance from OW to L is 0.07 nm, the geometry is tetrahedral
; (109.47 deg)
; Therefore, a = b = 0.07 * cos (109.47/2) / | xOH1 + xOH2 |
; c = 0.07 * sin (109.47/2) / | xOH1 X xOH2 |
; =20
;
; Using | xOH1 X xOH2 | = | xOH1 | | xOH2 | sin (H1-O-H2)
; | xOH1 + xOH2 | = 2 | xOH1 | cos (H1-O-H2)
; Dummy pos x4 = x1 + a*x21 + b*x31 + c*(x21 X x31)
; Dummy from funct a b c
4 1 2 3 4 -0.344908 -0.344908 -6.4437903493
5 1 2 3 4 -0.344908 -0.344908 6.4437903493
___
 
I do understand everything except the bolded bit.
 
so far i have understood that |xOH1| is the magnitude of OH on the x-axis, but 
putting those values in i don't the the correct a, b, c.
I'm not good in vectors and i have had a look at the gromacs manual  (the 3out 
model ni figure 4.16).
 
I don't know where i am going wrong. 
 
I would appreciate the help thanks.
 
 
Thanks,
 
Pratik Kaku
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Re: [gmx-users] TIP5P calculating the dummy positions

2011-10-21 Thread Richard Broadbent
Dear Pratik,

 
  
 I am trying to create the tip6p itp file. In order to do that, since
 it is an overlap of the tip4p and tip5p model (visually)
 I am trying to understand the a, b, and c values for the position of
 the dummy charge in the tip5p models.
  
 Below is the part of the script that is of my concern.
 _
 [ dummies3 ]
 ; The position of the dummy is computed as follows:
 ;
 ; The distance from OW to L is 0.07 nm, the geometry is tetrahedral
 ; (109.47 deg)
 ; Therefore, a = b = 0.07 * cos (109.47/2) / | xOH1 + xOH2 |
xOH1 is the vector from O to H1, (not just the x component)
| xOH1 + xOH2 | is normalisation factor as these vectors are not of unit
length
 ; c = 0.07 * sin (109.47/2) / | xOH1 X xOH2 |
again | xOH1 X xOH2 | is a normalisation factor as the cross product of
the vector from O to H1 with the vector from O to H2 will not be a unit
vector.
 ; =20
 ;
 ; Using | xOH1 X xOH2 | = | xOH1 | | xOH2 | sin (H1-O-H2)

This is a standard vector identity the modulus of the cross product of
two vectors is the product of the moduli times the sine of the angle
between them:

|V X U| = |V||U|sin(theta)

Hope that's helpful

Richard

 ; | xOH1 + xOH2 | = 2 | xOH1 | cos (H1-O-H2)
 ; Dummy pos x4 = x1 + a*x21 + b*x31 + c*(x21 X x31)
 ; Dummy from funct a b c
 4 1 2 3 4 -0.344908 -0.344908 -6.4437903493
 5 1 2 3 4 -0.344908 -0.344908 6.4437903493
 ___
  
 I do understand everything except the bolded bit.
  
 so far i have understood that |xOH1| is the magnitude of OH on the
 x-axis, but putting those values in i don't the the correct a, b, c.
 I'm not good in vectors and i have had a look at the gromacs manual
 (the 3out model ni figure 4.16).
  
 I don't know where i am going wrong. 
  
 I would appreciate the help thanks.
  
  
 Thanks,
  
 Pratik Kaku
 
 
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Re: [gmx-users] Re: Preparation of the pure lipid system with charmm force field

2011-10-21 Thread James Starlight
I've excluded   charmm36.ff/lipids.rtp from my topology and obtain new
error
Fatal error:
No such moleculetype POPC

How I could include topology on this lipids ( all of them are present in the
lipids.rtp. ) ?
I have itp for the lipids only for the GROMOS ff so it should not be used
here


James


2011/10/21 Mark Abraham mark.abra...@anu.edu.au

 On 21/10/2011 5:41 PM, James Starlight wrote:

 I've also tried to make topology for my system parametriesed for charmm36
 ff by hands but failed too :(

 This is my topology for the POPC bilayer wich I've made in VMD membrane
 builder as well as downloaded a pre built membrane system ( I've tested for
 both cases)

 ; Include chain topologies
 #include charmm36.ff/forcefield.itp

 ; Include lipids
 #include charmm36.ff/lipids.rtp


 .rtp files may not be #included




 ; Include water topology
 #include /charmm36.ff/tip3p.itp


 Initial backslash refers to the root of your file system, so is likely
 wrong.



 ; Include ion topologies
 #include charmm36.ff/ions.itp

 ; System specifications
 [ system ]
 128-Lipid POPC Bilayer in water

 [ molecules ]
 POPC 72

 When I've loaded my molecule to grompp I've obtained error

 Program grompp, VERSION 4.5.4
 Source code file: /tmp/gromacs-4.5.4/src/kernel/**toppush.c, line: 770

 Fatal error:
 Unknown bond_atomtype 1

 What does it means? Is here anybody who also tried to parametriesed theis
 lipids by charmm ff ?


 Don't blame the ff yet :-)

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