Re: [gmx-users] How to produce the photodissociation in Gromacs?

2012-09-20 Thread Mark Abraham

On 20/09/2012 1:08 PM, Rajiv Gandhi wrote:

Dear all,

Why all people cut the protein ligand bond to produce the photodissociation?


Because MM forcefields typically assume bonds do not break or form. 
Electronic degrees of freedom are not directly considered in the model.



For instances, In myoglobin, To simulate photodissociation of the CO
complex, the Fe–CO bond of the
starting structure was cut before any calculation.Fe-C bond were cut and
instantaneously switch the heme force
field from 6-coordinated Fe to that of the 5-coordinated Fe.



I want to understand how we can delete this bond between Fe-CO  to induce
the photodisssociation ?  After we cut the bond what it can do during MD
simulation ?


If you know enough about such a system to parametrize the bonded and 
non-bonded systems, then in principle you could watch the process of 
dissociation after cleavage. But I can imagine spending 6 months to do 
that parameterization and still failing. A modelling approach that works 
nicely for simple first- and second-row elements not undergoing chemical 
reactions need not be extensible to either transition elements or reactions.


Mark
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Re: [gmx-users] distance calculation

2012-09-20 Thread tarak karmakar
Thanks Mark.
I was using the following command as I got it in the manual.
g_dist -f  traj.xtc -s topol.tpr -n index.ndx -o dist.xvg
But I could not able to find the way how to specify the indices of the
two desired atoms.
( suppose I want to plot the distance between atom no. 500 (protein
backbone) and atom no. 879 (ligand atom) with respect to time)




On Thu, Sep 20, 2012 at 10:20 AM, Mark Abraham mark.abra...@anu.edu.au wrote:
 On 20/09/2012 2:05 PM, tarak karmakar wrote:

 Thanks Justin.

 But in my case I want to plot the distance between one  atom in the
 backbone of the protein and other atom present in the ligand. Then how
 can I specify these two atoms I need for plotting the distance between
 them.


 g_dist treats the system as a list of atoms, and is ignorant of details like
 molecules. So you just need to tell it which atoms via their indices.

 Mark


 On Thu, Sep 20, 2012 at 12:26 AM, Justin Lemkul jalem...@vt.edu wrote:


 On 9/19/12 2:55 PM, tarak karmakar wrote:

 Dear All,

 I want to calculate the distance between the nitrogen atom present in
 the ligand and the H- attached to the backbone of the protein along a
 long trajectory. So can anyone suggest me how to consider these two
 atoms to calculate and plot the distance along with the time ?

 g_dist with appropriate index groups.

 -Justin

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Re: [gmx-users] How to produce the photodissociation in Gromacs?

2012-09-20 Thread Rajiv Gandhi
Could you tell me what is the procedure to cut the bond to produce
the photodissociation?

On Thu, Sep 20, 2012 at 3:12 PM, Mark Abraham mark.abra...@anu.edu.auwrote:

 On 20/09/2012 1:08 PM, Rajiv Gandhi wrote:

 Dear all,

 Why all people cut the protein ligand bond to produce the
 photodissociation?


 Because MM forcefields typically assume bonds do not break or form.
 Electronic degrees of freedom are not directly considered in the model.


  For instances, In myoglobin, To simulate photodissociation of the CO
 complex, the Fe–CO bond of the
 starting structure was cut before any calculation.Fe-C bond were cut and
 instantaneously switch the heme force
 field from 6-coordinated Fe to that of the 5-coordinated Fe.



 I want to understand how we can delete this bond between Fe-CO  to induce
 the photodisssociation ?  After we cut the bond what it can do during MD
 simulation ?


 If you know enough about such a system to parametrize the bonded and
 non-bonded systems, then in principle you could watch the process of
 dissociation after cleavage. But I can imagine spending 6 months to do that
 parameterization and still failing. A modelling approach that works nicely
 for simple first- and second-row elements not undergoing chemical reactions
 need not be extensible to either transition elements or reactions.

 Mark
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[gmx-users] Re: Water molecules cannot be settled: V-rescale is the cause

2012-09-20 Thread Ladasky
Justin Lemkul wrote
 So the initial equilibration was NPT? 

Yes.


Justin Lemkul wrote
 Did you ever try simply running NVT with 
 either Berendsen or V-rescale before applying any type of pressure
 coupling?

No, I haven't, and I don't remember seeing that described in any work flow.


Justin Lemkul wrote
 Immediate application of NPT is often unstable for a variety of reasons,
 not 
 necessarily the temperature coupling algorithm.

All right, that's useful information.  But what I am doing here is ripped
from a tutorial file, and modified as little as possible.  I try not to
change things that I do not yet understand.  My source for the MDP files was
the lysozyme tutorial shell script that accompanied GROMACS 3.3.  If there
are procedures in that tutorial that are obsolete, I guess I'm finding that
out the hard way.


Justin Lemkul wrote
 Anyone is welcome to contribute to the wiki; it is a community project,
 after 
 all.  I would also be interested to see if it can be demonstrated that NPT
 with 
 V-rescale + Berendsen is unstable after an independent NVT simulation with 
 either method.

I may take the time to try that experiment later.  I'll report back with any
findings.

Thanks for your help!




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Re: [gmx-users] distance calculation

2012-09-20 Thread Mark Abraham

On 20/09/2012 4:21 PM, tarak karmakar wrote:

Thanks Mark.
I was using the following command as I got it in the manual.
g_dist -f  traj.xtc -s topol.tpr -n index.ndx -o dist.xvg
But I could not able to find the way how to specify the indices of the
two desired atoms.
( suppose I want to plot the distance between atom no. 500 (protein
backbone) and atom no. 879 (ligand atom) with respect to time)


See manual 8.1 for discussion, and 
http://www.gromacs.org/Documentation/Gromacs_Utilities/make_ndx for more.


Mark


On Thu, Sep 20, 2012 at 10:20 AM, Mark Abraham mark.abra...@anu.edu.au wrote:

On 20/09/2012 2:05 PM, tarak karmakar wrote:

Thanks Justin.

But in my case I want to plot the distance between one  atom in the
backbone of the protein and other atom present in the ligand. Then how
can I specify these two atoms I need for plotting the distance between
them.


g_dist treats the system as a list of atoms, and is ignorant of details like
molecules. So you just need to tell it which atoms via their indices.

Mark



On Thu, Sep 20, 2012 at 12:26 AM, Justin Lemkul jalem...@vt.edu wrote:


On 9/19/12 2:55 PM, tarak karmakar wrote:

Dear All,

I want to calculate the distance between the nitrogen atom present in
the ligand and the H- attached to the backbone of the protein along a
long trajectory. So can anyone suggest me how to consider these two
atoms to calculate and plot the distance along with the time ?


g_dist with appropriate index groups.

-Justin

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Re: [gmx-users] Re: Water molecules cannot be settled: V-rescale is the cause

2012-09-20 Thread Mark Abraham

On 20/09/2012 4:34 PM, Ladasky wrote:

Justin Lemkul wrote

So the initial equilibration was NPT?

Yes.


Justin Lemkul wrote

Did you ever try simply running NVT with
either Berendsen or V-rescale before applying any type of pressure
coupling?

No, I haven't, and I don't remember seeing that described in any work flow.


Point 8 of 
http://www.gromacs.org/Documentation/How-tos/Steps_to_Perform_a_Simulation 
mentions it.





Justin Lemkul wrote

Immediate application of NPT is often unstable for a variety of reasons,
not
necessarily the temperature coupling algorithm.

All right, that's useful information.  But what I am doing here is ripped
from a tutorial file, and modified as little as possible.  I try not to
change things that I do not yet understand.  My source for the MDP files was
the lysozyme tutorial shell script that accompanied GROMACS 3.3.  If there
are procedures in that tutorial that are obsolete, I guess I'm finding that
out the hard way.


Using any single source can lead to problems. Sometimes tutorials are 
deliberately stripped down to produce a numerical result in quick time, 
but not via a method that is useful for a real problem. Material gets 
dated and busy authors don't get paid for keeping them up to date, 
unfortunately. Doing all the tutorial material you can find, even if you 
think the topic irrelevant, will add do the general knowledge you need. 
Further clues can be found in methods reported in published work, 
particularly relevant if on systems similar to yours, or by people you 
can see are highly experienced with GROMACS because they've published 
results from using it for a while.


Mark


Justin Lemkul wrote

Anyone is welcome to contribute to the wiki; it is a community project,
after
all.  I would also be interested to see if it can be demonstrated that NPT
with
V-rescale + Berendsen is unstable after an independent NVT simulation with
either method.

I may take the time to try that experiment later.  I'll report back with any
findings.

Thanks for your help!




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[gmx-users] Re: v-rescale

2012-09-20 Thread Ladasky
Hi Peter,

Thanks for your response.

Rather than dragging this thread too far off-topic, I'll direct you back to
my thread, where I have just posted additional details.  I took a warning
message from GROMACS a bit too literally and it caused me to use conditions
that blew up my simulations.

I am interested in your protocol for the typical equilibration.  If this
is in fact standardized, do you have a reference?  It doesn't match up with
anything in the tutorial files I have been using to run my own simulations. 
Admittedly, those files are from GROMACS 3.3, and the procedures may be a
bit out of date.




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Re: [gmx-users] Re: v-rescale

2012-09-20 Thread Peter C. Lai
On 2012-09-20 12:18:02AM -0700, Ladasky wrote:
 Hi Peter,
 
 Thanks for your response.
 
 Rather than dragging this thread too far off-topic, I'll direct you back to
 my thread, where I have just posted additional details.  I took a warning
 message from GROMACS a bit too literally and it caused me to use conditions
 that blew up my simulations.
 
 I am interested in your protocol for the typical equilibration.  If this
 is in fact standardized, do you have a reference?  It doesn't match up with
 anything in the tutorial files I have been using to run my own simulations. 
 Admittedly, those files are from GROMACS 3.3, and the procedures may be a
 bit out of date.
 

Generally it's probably not a good idea to rely on tutorials designed 
around 3.3 when a google search for gromacs tutorial shows a series of 4.5.x 
tutorials written by Justin himself, with explanations of why certain steps
are conducted. (also when certain features may be implemented differently,
such as the introduction of the v-rescale thermostat).

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Re: [gmx-users] Re: Water molecules cannot be settled: V-rescale is the cause

2012-09-20 Thread Mark Abraham

On 20/09/2012 5:08 PM, Ladasky wrote:

Mark Abraham wrote

This all sounds much like an issue with the topology or starting
configuration.

And it is for that reason that, during my debugging process, I switched back
from the chimeric protein structures that I was building myself to a
standard PDB structure for which I had previously completed a 5-ns stable
run.  I wanted to eliminate any problems that the starting configuration
might have caused.


Fair enough, and good strategy to simplify while learning.


Mark Abraham wrote

I have seen systems where 0.5 fs without bond constraints
was necessary to relax issues with the initial conformation, and using
position restraints on (say) all heavy atoms would have made this
impossible.

I'll keep in mind that even 1.0 fs is sometimes not short enough, when
working far from equilibrium.  That being said, the fact that I saw almost
the same water molecule misbehave at almost the same simulated time point,
whether I used a 2.0 fs or a 1.0 fs time step, gave me the strong hint that
my simulation was both reproducible -- and wrong.  And thus, that my time
step was probably not the critical factor.


Every time you change the ensemble (i.e. .mdp settings), which includes 
beginning, the system is generally not in equilbrium and that can lead 
to forces that physically jar it. One prefers to choose the longest 
stable time step for a long simulation that remains in equilibrium, in 
order to be efficient with computing resources. It doesn't follow that 
the preparation should use that time step. Particularly if the forces 
are large when not in equilibrium, subsequent displacements are large 
and the simulation can fail immediately, or set up weird resonance 
effects (think Tacoma Narrows bridge) that break things later.


The same water molecule having the problem suggests a local effect, 
rather than a system-wide effect. Thus the starting position and not the 
protocol might be to blame, although a gentler protocol can often 
overcome a poor starting position. In particular, an isolated water 
molecule placed by genbox in the middle of a protein can show these 
kinds of problems. For this kind of reason visualizing the results of 
computational procedures is always essential.



Mark Abraham wrote

Your protocol from July was also asking for trouble by
generating velocities and moving straight into an NPT ensemble with
position restraints. Starting with an NVT ensemble can be better idea,
particularly if the volume is not quite right.

If you read my reply to Justin, you will know that I'm not deliberately
trying to skip any steps.  I have made minimal modifications to the MDP
files that were part of the GROMACS 3.3 lysozyme tutorial shell script.
That protocol included a position-restrained solvent equilibration step, and
I used it as-is.


OK, but the authors probably knew that they'd set things up to have the 
right density for their system, so that NPT with PR would succeed 
without problems. Doing multiple equilibration phases for pedagogical 
reasons might have meant the users of the tutorial spent more time doing 
that and not focusing on whatever the tutorial's objective really was. 
If the point of the tutorial was not to discuss equilibration issues, it 
might not make a sound choice for a template.



I'm not married to the need to go straight to NPT, or even to use position
restraints during solvent equilibration.  If the starting configuration of
my protein of interest shifts while I'm making adjustments to the solvent, I
don't mind.  I'm trying to watch it fold, and the end point is far more
important to me than the starting point.


Then getting rid of PR entirely is plausible.


Did Berendsen himself ever post to this mailing list?  I remember coming
across this signature line on some GROMACS-related post: Why do YOU use
constraints?  In my case, the answer is, because that's what my tutorial
recommended.


It's one of the quotes GROMACS tools print out as they exist, and 
presumably an in-joke from years past.


Mark


Now, WHY would I have switched from a Berendsen temperature-coupling
algorithm to the V-rescale algorithm?  Because of this cautionary note
that
I started receiving in GROMACS 4.5 when I started the position-restrained
mdrun:

NOTE 1 [file pr.mdp]:
The Berendsen thermostat does not generate the correct kinetic energy
distribution. You might want to consider using the V-rescale
thermostat.


Mark Abraham wrote

Your observations on one system are not enough to reach this conclusion.
v-rescale is normally quite appropriate for equilibration. The above
hint is one that only matters when you wish to perform proper
equilibrium sampling.

I understand that hint, in hindsight.  It led me down a bit of a primrose
path.


Mark Abraham wrote

Multiple phases of equilibration are normal,
particularly in tricky cases, to gradually approach the conditions under
which you wish to sample, via those that help deal with trouble with

Re: [gmx-users] distance calculation

2012-09-20 Thread tarak karmakar
thanks a lot Mark

On Thu, Sep 20, 2012 at 12:31 PM, Mark Abraham mark.abra...@anu.edu.au wrote:
 On 20/09/2012 4:21 PM, tarak karmakar wrote:

 Thanks Mark.
 I was using the following command as I got it in the manual.
 g_dist -f  traj.xtc -s topol.tpr -n index.ndx -o dist.xvg
 But I could not able to find the way how to specify the indices of the
 two desired atoms.
 ( suppose I want to plot the distance between atom no. 500 (protein
 backbone) and atom no. 879 (ligand atom) with respect to time)


 See manual 8.1 for discussion, and
 http://www.gromacs.org/Documentation/Gromacs_Utilities/make_ndx for more.


 Mark

 On Thu, Sep 20, 2012 at 10:20 AM, Mark Abraham mark.abra...@anu.edu.au
 wrote:

 On 20/09/2012 2:05 PM, tarak karmakar wrote:

 Thanks Justin.

 But in my case I want to plot the distance between one  atom in the
 backbone of the protein and other atom present in the ligand. Then how
 can I specify these two atoms I need for plotting the distance between
 them.


 g_dist treats the system as a list of atoms, and is ignorant of details
 like
 molecules. So you just need to tell it which atoms via their indices.

 Mark


 On Thu, Sep 20, 2012 at 12:26 AM, Justin Lemkul jalem...@vt.edu wrote:


 On 9/19/12 2:55 PM, tarak karmakar wrote:

 Dear All,

 I want to calculate the distance between the nitrogen atom present in
 the ligand and the H- attached to the backbone of the protein along a
 long trajectory. So can anyone suggest me how to consider these two
 atoms to calculate and plot the distance along with the time ?

 g_dist with appropriate index groups.

 -Justin

 --
 

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 Research Scientist
 Department of Biochemistry
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[gmx-users] Some tips for decreasing CPU time for mdrun -rerun

2012-09-20 Thread Wu Chaofu
Dear gmxers,
I have generated MD simulation trajectory using gmx, and now I want to
recalculate the energies and forces for the older trajectory by
excluding interactions between two defined groups. Therefore, the
older trajectory is used as one input option for mdrun through -rerun.
In my opinions, the newer run shoud much quicker than the older one
since only saved frames and less interactions are employed in this
calculation. However, I find that the speed is almost same. How to
decreasing CPU time for mdrun -rerun? I think I must have missed
something. Could you please give me some hints? Thank you a lot for
any reply.
Yours sincerely,
Chaofu Wu
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Re: [gmx-users] specific dihedral plotting

2012-09-20 Thread Mark Abraham

On 20/09/2012 7:31 PM, tarak karmakar wrote:

Dear All,

   I need to plot a specific dihedral in  my protein and I have to
see how it is changing with time. So while doing that I have created a
new group for that specific dihedral by taking corresponding 4 atoms.
Now, how could I specify this dihedral present in the index file while
running g_dih program, as I see in the online manual options are as
follows

g_dih -f traj.xtc -s topol.tpr -o dih.out

And it essentially gives the statistics of all the dihedrals.


g_angle -type dihedral is probably more like what you want.

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Re: [gmx-users] Some tips for decreasing CPU time for mdrun -rerun

2012-09-20 Thread Mark Abraham

On 20/09/2012 7:26 PM, Wu Chaofu wrote:

Dear gmxers,
I have generated MD simulation trajectory using gmx, and now I want to
recalculate the energies and forces for the older trajectory by
excluding interactions between two defined groups. Therefore, the
older trajectory is used as one input option for mdrun through -rerun.
In my opinions, the newer run shoud much quicker than the older one
since only saved frames and less interactions are employed in this
calculation. However, I find that the speed is almost same. How to
decreasing CPU time for mdrun -rerun? I think I must have missed
something. Could you please give me some hints? Thank you a lot for


mdrun -rerun requires neighbour searching for every frame of the 
trajectory, because it cannot assume spatial locality in the way that 
mdrun can. So it is possible for a rerun to do more work than the 
original. However in the absence of the timing breakdown reported at the 
end of the .log files, there's nothing much else to be said.


Mark
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Re: [gmx-users] problem pdb2gmx and acetylation

2012-09-20 Thread Justin Lemkul



On 9/20/12 4:24 AM, menica dibenedetto wrote:

Dear all,
I have a problem with pdb2gmx function.
I want to create the gro file of an acetylated at N-term protein.
I copy here the head of the file:
ATOM   2016  HC  ACE 0  24.770 -62.381 -11.080   H
ATOM   2015  CT  ACE 0  25.644 -61.867 -10.739   C
ATOM   2017  HC  ACE 0  26.283 -61.657 -11.571   H
ATOM   2018  HC  ACE 0  26.167 -62.480 -10.034   H
ATOM   2013   C  ACE 0  25.231 -60.546 -10.063   C
ATOM   2014   O  ACE 0  24.058 -60.199  -9.966   O
TER
ATOM   2019   N  MET 1  26.336 -59.728  -9.542   N
ATOM   2020   H  MET 1  27.236 -59.762  -9.976   H
ATOM  1  CA  MET 1  26.144 -59.704  -8.063   C

The problem is that the output error told me that the atoms labels of
ACE not correspond to the labels in the rtp file,
but I checked it and them corresponds:
Program pdb2gmx_d, VERSION 4.5.5
Source code file: pdb2gmx.c, line: 655
Fatal error:
Atom HC in residue ACE 0 was not found in rtp entry ACE with 6 atoms
while sorting atoms.

I used the amber99sb-ildn.ff

What can I do?


You've confused atom name with atom type.  Refer to the aminoacids.rtp file for 
the force field.  I would also suggest removing the TER from between the ACE 
and MET, otherwise pdb2gmx is likely going to try to write them as separate chains.


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Re: [gmx-users] problem pdb2gmx and acetylation

2012-09-20 Thread menica dibenedetto
Thanks!! :) now works!

2012/9/20 Justin Lemkul jalem...@vt.edu:


 On 9/20/12 4:24 AM, menica dibenedetto wrote:

 Dear all,
 I have a problem with pdb2gmx function.
 I want to create the gro file of an acetylated at N-term protein.
 I copy here the head of the file:
 ATOM   2016  HC  ACE 0  24.770 -62.381 -11.080
 H
 ATOM   2015  CT  ACE 0  25.644 -61.867 -10.739
 C
 ATOM   2017  HC  ACE 0  26.283 -61.657 -11.571
 H
 ATOM   2018  HC  ACE 0  26.167 -62.480 -10.034
 H
 ATOM   2013   C  ACE 0  25.231 -60.546 -10.063
 C
 ATOM   2014   O  ACE 0  24.058 -60.199  -9.966
 O
 TER
 ATOM   2019   N  MET 1  26.336 -59.728  -9.542
 N
 ATOM   2020   H  MET 1  27.236 -59.762  -9.976
 H
 ATOM  1  CA  MET 1  26.144 -59.704  -8.063
 C

 The problem is that the output error told me that the atoms labels of
 ACE not correspond to the labels in the rtp file,
 but I checked it and them corresponds:
 Program pdb2gmx_d, VERSION 4.5.5
 Source code file: pdb2gmx.c, line: 655
 Fatal error:
 Atom HC in residue ACE 0 was not found in rtp entry ACE with 6 atoms
 while sorting atoms.

 I used the amber99sb-ildn.ff

 What can I do?


 You've confused atom name with atom type.  Refer to the aminoacids.rtp file
 for the force field.  I would also suggest removing the TER from between
 the ACE and MET, otherwise pdb2gmx is likely going to try to write them as
 separate chains.

 -Justin

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Re: [gmx-users] How to create a box of molecules with three layer?

2012-09-20 Thread Justin Lemkul



On 9/20/12 5:18 AM, Ali Alizadeh wrote:

Dear All users

How to create a box of molecules with three layer and a certain number of
molecules?



Use the logical of the biphasic systems tutorial as a basis:

http://www.bevanlab.biochem.vt.edu/Pages/Personal/justin/gmx-tutorials/biphasic/index.html

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Re: [gmx-users] specific dihedral plotting

2012-09-20 Thread tarak karmakar
Thanks Mark ,

I got it now :)

On Thu, Sep 20, 2012 at 3:06 PM, Mark Abraham mark.abra...@anu.edu.au wrote:
 On 20/09/2012 7:31 PM, tarak karmakar wrote:

 Dear All,

I need to plot a specific dihedral in  my protein and I have to
 see how it is changing with time. So while doing that I have created a
 new group for that specific dihedral by taking corresponding 4 atoms.
 Now, how could I specify this dihedral present in the index file while
 running g_dih program, as I see in the online manual options are as
 follows

 g_dih -f traj.xtc -s topol.tpr -o dih.out

 And it essentially gives the statistics of all the dihedrals.


 g_angle -type dihedral is probably more like what you want.

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[gmx-users] Analysis of enssemble of MD trajectories

2012-09-20 Thread James Starlight
Dear Gromacs Users!


I'm working with the enssemble of the MD trajectories calculated for
the common protein with the differences in the initial conditions in
the case of each trajectory.

Now I'd like to perform analysis of that enssemble of data. For
example I'de like to obtain RMSD as well as RMSF graphs calculated
from all trajectories in one common graph for comparison of the
dynamics of the systems.

I've used  trjcat on my 4 trajectories to obtain one merged trajectory
multi.xtc and than tried to calculate RMSD for that multi.xtc but the
resulted graph was wrong.

trjcat -f md_150ns.xtc md_320ns.xtc sd_125.xtc sd_75ns.xtc -cat -tu ps
-o multi.xtc

Is there any other way to do such analysis of several trajectories in
common graph?


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Re: [gmx-users] Analysis of enssemble of MD trajectories

2012-09-20 Thread Justin Lemkul



On 9/20/12 6:06 AM, James Starlight wrote:

Dear Gromacs Users!


I'm working with the enssemble of the MD trajectories calculated for
the common protein with the differences in the initial conditions in
the case of each trajectory.

Now I'd like to perform analysis of that enssemble of data. For
example I'de like to obtain RMSD as well as RMSF graphs calculated
from all trajectories in one common graph for comparison of the
dynamics of the systems.

I've used  trjcat on my 4 trajectories to obtain one merged trajectory
multi.xtc and than tried to calculate RMSD for that multi.xtc but the
resulted graph was wrong.

trjcat -f md_150ns.xtc md_320ns.xtc sd_125.xtc sd_75ns.xtc -cat -tu ps
-o multi.xtc

Is there any other way to do such analysis of several trajectories in
common graph?



I think what you want is not concatenation, but rather simultaneous display. 
Analyze each trajectory separately and simply plot the data in one graph, i.e. 4 
different RMSD traces in one panel.


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[gmx-users] Specifics on tabulated pair potentials

2012-09-20 Thread MURAT OZTURK
Hello!

I am using gromacs for coarse grained systems. I have the need to represent
breakable bonds. I have been using tabulated lennard-jones-cosine
potentials with bonded interactions but now there is a need for proper
non-bonded interactions on specific pairs.

I have went through the manual but there seems to be very limited
information on 'pair' interactions.

Normally, I set my functypes to 8 or 9 for bonds, angles and dihedrals, and
name the tables accordingly (table_b1.xvg etc.) I also have tabulated
non-bonded interactions which I set up in the .mdp file. I have their
tables with the appropriate names such as (table_S_P.xvg etc.). When I run
mdrun with no special parameters, everything works nicely with all these
things.

I understand how I can add pair interactions in the topology file, but the
function types are limited to 1 or 2, which I don't want to use. I want to
use a tabulated potential. I understand that there is an option -tablep in
mdrun, but I can't seem to understand how the whole thing works.

So I want to have tabulated non-bonded interactions between specific pairs
of (super)atoms. Is this possible and how should I go about doing that?

Thanks in advance. I have been working on this project for a year,
occasionally lurking on the mail list archives. This is the first mail I am
sending. I truly appreciate the effort that is put into making and
supporting this code. Cheers to you all.

Murat
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Re: [gmx-users] LINCS warning in md run

2012-09-20 Thread reisingere
Hi,
 now I tried it without any restriction and still the LINCS warnings occur.
Since it is always the hydrogen atom where the huge force lies on I had
the idea just to remove the hydrogen atom to find out whether another atom
will occur to have such a high force on or everything went fine. And
indeed, without the hydrogen atom there is no problem during the MD run.
Even when I fix all the other atoms.

I can not see why this occurs. I already looked at the residue with pymol
and I could see that there is no other residue or atom clashing with it.

The residue looks like this:

ATOM955  N   TYP65  27.310  23.150  27.670  1.00  0.00
  N
ATOM956  CA  TYP65  26.870  23.320  26.300  1.00  0.00
  C
ATOM957  C   TYP65  27.920  23.760  25.300  1.00  0.00
  C
ATOM958  O   TYP65  28.060  23.210  24.210  1.00  0.00
  O
ATOM959  CB  TYP65  25.740  24.340  26.170  1.00  0.00
  C
ATOM960  CG  TYP65  24.530  23.740  26.830  1.00  0.00
  C
ATOM961  CD1 TYP65  24.410  23.760  28.220  1.00  0.00
  C
ATOM962  CD2 TYP65  23.510  23.180  26.050  1.00  0.00
  C
ATOM963  CE1 TYP65  23.290  23.210  28.840  1.00  0.00
  C
ATOM964  CE2 TYP65  22.380  22.630  26.660  1.00  0.00
  C
ATOM965  CZ  TYP65  22.260  22.630  28.070  1.00  0.00
  C
ATOM966  OH  TYP65  21.160  22.100  28.670  1.00  0.00
  O
ATOM967  P   TYP65  20.298  21.422  27.722  1.00  0.00
  P
ATOM968  OP1 TYP65  21.003  21.245  26.467  1.00  0.00
  O
ATOM969  OP2 TYP65  19.920  20.126  28.251  1.00  0.00
  O
ATOM970  OP3 TYP65  19.106  22.218  27.498  1.00  0.00
  O
ATOM971  H   TYP65  27.210  23.914  28.325  1.00  0.00
  H
ATOM972  HA  TYP65  26.485  22.366  25.933  1.00  0.00
  H
ATOM973  HB1 TYP65  25.524  24.543  25.119  1.00  0.00
  H
ATOM974  HB2 TYP65  26.010  25.270  26.669  1.00  0.00
  H
ATOM975  HD1 TYP65  25.154  24.234  28.821  1.00  0.00
  H
ATOM976  HD2 TYP65  23.603  23.156  24.973  1.00  0.00
  H
ATOM977  HE1 TYP65  23.200  23.222  29.916  1.00  0.00
  H
ATOM978  HE2 TYP65  21.603  22.189  26.053  1.00  0.00
  H
ATOM979  H1P TYP65  20.357  20.996  25.802  1.00  0.00
  H


The topology entry in the aminoacid.rtp file looks like this:

[ TYP ]
 [ atoms ]
 NN   -0.5163001
CACT   0.2755032
HAH1   0.0082233
CBCT  -0.3540524
   HB1HC   0.1103265
   HB2HC   0.1103266
CGCA   0.1197287
   CD1CA  -0.1989388
   HD1HA   0.1371439
   CE1CA  -0.284884   10
   HE1HA   0.177179   11
CZC0.452616   12
OHOS  -0.534452   13
 HH0.293600   14
   CE2CA  -0.284884   15
   HE2HA   0.177179   16
   CD2CA  -0.198938   17
   HD2HA   0.137143   18
 CC0.536600   19
 OO   -0.581900   20
 PP1.393213   21
   OP1OH  -0.752821   22
   OP2O2  -0.822464   23
   OP3O2  -0.822464   24
   H1PHO   0.423316   25


[ bonds ]
 N H
 NCA
CAHA
CACB
CA C
CB   HB1
CB   HB2
CBCG
CG   CD1
CG   CD2
   CD1   HD1
   CD1   CE1
   CE1   HE1
   CE1CZ
CZOS
CZ   CE2
OS P
   CE2   HE2
   CE2   CD2
   CD2   HD2
 C O
-C N
 P   OP1
 P   OP2
 P   OP3
   H1P   OP1


[ impropers ]
-CCA N H
CA+N C O
CG   CE2   CD2   HD2
CZ   CD2   CE2   HE2
   CD1CZ   CE1   HE1
CG   CE1   CD1   HD1
   CD1   CD2CGCB
   CE1   CE2CZOH


The LINCS problems lie between the oxygen atom of the phosphate where a
hydrogen atom is bound to (OP1) and the hydrogen atom bound to the oxygen
atom of the phosphate (H1P).

Do you see where the problem lies?
Thank you,
 Eva



 On 9/18/12 8:58 AM, reising...@rostlab.informatik.tu-muenchen.de wrote:
 Okey,
   now I tried it without any fixed residues. But still the energy after
 the
 minimization is not very low and I still get the LINCS warnings.

 The mdp file I use for the minimization looks like this:

 define  = -DPOSRES

 Restraints during minimization generally restrict motion in the same way
 that
 freezing does.  Again, this is a potential barrier to sufficient
 minimization.

 integrator  = steep
 emtol   = 10
 nsteps  = 1500
 nstenergy   = 1
 energygrps  

Re: [gmx-users] How to create a box of molecules with three layers?

2012-09-20 Thread Justin Lemkul



On 9/20/12 6:54 AM, Ali Alizadeh wrote:

Dear Justin

I know ,I studied it, but it was two layer, I want to add three layer into
my system!



Right, you're not going to find an exact how-to for everything you might dream 
up.  You can apply the same logic from the tutorial (creating independent 
solvent boxes and placing them in the same unit cell via manual positioning) to 
do what you want.


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[gmx-users] Re: gmx-users Digest, Vol 101, Issue 68

2012-09-20 Thread Ali Alizadeh
Dear Justin

For example, In that tutorial(box vector : 3 , 3 , 10),

At first, I add cyclo hexane into my system( center: 3 ,3 ,1)
Then I add water with certain certain thickness(center: 3 , 3 , 5)
Then I want to add cyclo hexane into my system( center: 3 ,3 , 8)

Is it possible? How to?

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Re: [gmx-users] Analysis of enssemble of MD trajectories

2012-09-20 Thread lloyd riggs
Dear Dr.

I might be wrong, but I think you can use g_rms with two seperate trj files, 
and it takes the rms from the starting structure of the first one.  In which 
case you would have to decide which is the reference, and then just do it three 
times.

Theres also auxiliarry software which has plugins for this, such as VMD, Pymol, 
or even O run in some sort of batch.  In pymol I know it can be run as a 
script, but you need all saved pdb files extracted from each trj, so would be a 
bit large and pain.  with the VMD it has plugins for them, but I only played 
with it once.  If you only want to look at beginning and end rms from say the 
start and end for all traj-using just a couple pdb at either end would be easy 
in pymol and O.

There is also these new tools I found in Bio R (its called Bio3D if you look on 
the web for the freeware) , which are all scripts that I tried once, which work 
as well, mostly the take a reference structure and parse the pdbs output from a 
trj (if you write out each individually) but there values are different but 
directtly correlatable (ie say 1.6 from the former and something like 80% is 
cranked out by the later Vs 0.4 and 5% meaning no change)

Hope that helps, and if I am wrong about something somone corrects me.

Stephan Watkins

 Original-Nachricht 
 Datum: Thu, 20 Sep 2012 14:06:40 +0400
 Von: James Starlight jmsstarli...@gmail.com
 An: Discussion list for GROMACS users gmx-users@gromacs.org
 Betreff: [gmx-users] Analysis of enssemble of MD trajectories

 Dear Gromacs Users!
 
 
 I'm working with the enssemble of the MD trajectories calculated for
 the common protein with the differences in the initial conditions in
 the case of each trajectory.
 
 Now I'd like to perform analysis of that enssemble of data. For
 example I'de like to obtain RMSD as well as RMSF graphs calculated
 from all trajectories in one common graph for comparison of the
 dynamics of the systems.
 
 I've used  trjcat on my 4 trajectories to obtain one merged trajectory
 multi.xtc and than tried to calculate RMSD for that multi.xtc but the
 resulted graph was wrong.
 
 trjcat -f md_150ns.xtc md_320ns.xtc sd_125.xtc sd_75ns.xtc -cat -tu ps
 -o multi.xtc
 
 Is there any other way to do such analysis of several trajectories in
 common graph?
 
 
 James
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Re: [gmx-users] LINCS warning in md run

2012-09-20 Thread Justin Lemkul



On 9/20/12 6:52 AM, reising...@rostlab.informatik.tu-muenchen.de wrote:

Hi,
  now I tried it without any restriction and still the LINCS warnings occur.
Since it is always the hydrogen atom where the huge force lies on I had
the idea just to remove the hydrogen atom to find out whether another atom
will occur to have such a high force on or everything went fine. And
indeed, without the hydrogen atom there is no problem during the MD run.
Even when I fix all the other atoms.

I can not see why this occurs. I already looked at the residue with pymol
and I could see that there is no other residue or atom clashing with it.



I suspect what is happening is that the topology is not stable.  If removal of 
the H atom leads to stable trajectories, then it is experiencing some 
interaction that leads to the crash.  Likely what is happening is that it is 
experiencing a very strong 1-4 interaction with the other phosphate oxygens and 
is being pulled very hard away from the oxygen to which it is bonded, leading to 
deformed geometry and the LINCS warnings.  There are two possible solutions:


1. Modify the 1-4 interactions through an appropriate pair term.
2. Add exclusions to the topology between the H atom and each of the O atoms to 
which it is not bonded.


I would recommend testing with a very simple system of TYP in water to validate 
that the topology is stable and rule out other factors.


-Justin


The residue looks like this:

ATOM955  N   TYP65  27.310  23.150  27.670  1.00  0.00
   N
ATOM956  CA  TYP65  26.870  23.320  26.300  1.00  0.00
   C
ATOM957  C   TYP65  27.920  23.760  25.300  1.00  0.00
   C
ATOM958  O   TYP65  28.060  23.210  24.210  1.00  0.00
   O
ATOM959  CB  TYP65  25.740  24.340  26.170  1.00  0.00
   C
ATOM960  CG  TYP65  24.530  23.740  26.830  1.00  0.00
   C
ATOM961  CD1 TYP65  24.410  23.760  28.220  1.00  0.00
   C
ATOM962  CD2 TYP65  23.510  23.180  26.050  1.00  0.00
   C
ATOM963  CE1 TYP65  23.290  23.210  28.840  1.00  0.00
   C
ATOM964  CE2 TYP65  22.380  22.630  26.660  1.00  0.00
   C
ATOM965  CZ  TYP65  22.260  22.630  28.070  1.00  0.00
   C
ATOM966  OH  TYP65  21.160  22.100  28.670  1.00  0.00
   O
ATOM967  P   TYP65  20.298  21.422  27.722  1.00  0.00
   P
ATOM968  OP1 TYP65  21.003  21.245  26.467  1.00  0.00
   O
ATOM969  OP2 TYP65  19.920  20.126  28.251  1.00  0.00
   O
ATOM970  OP3 TYP65  19.106  22.218  27.498  1.00  0.00
   O
ATOM971  H   TYP65  27.210  23.914  28.325  1.00  0.00
   H
ATOM972  HA  TYP65  26.485  22.366  25.933  1.00  0.00
   H
ATOM973  HB1 TYP65  25.524  24.543  25.119  1.00  0.00
   H
ATOM974  HB2 TYP65  26.010  25.270  26.669  1.00  0.00
   H
ATOM975  HD1 TYP65  25.154  24.234  28.821  1.00  0.00
   H
ATOM976  HD2 TYP65  23.603  23.156  24.973  1.00  0.00
   H
ATOM977  HE1 TYP65  23.200  23.222  29.916  1.00  0.00
   H
ATOM978  HE2 TYP65  21.603  22.189  26.053  1.00  0.00
   H
ATOM979  H1P TYP65  20.357  20.996  25.802  1.00  0.00
   H


The topology entry in the aminoacid.rtp file looks like this:

[ TYP ]
  [ atoms ]
  NN   -0.5163001
 CACT   0.2755032
 HAH1   0.0082233
 CBCT  -0.3540524
HB1HC   0.1103265
HB2HC   0.1103266
 CGCA   0.1197287
CD1CA  -0.1989388
HD1HA   0.1371439
CE1CA  -0.284884   10
HE1HA   0.177179   11
 CZC0.452616   12
 OHOS  -0.534452   13
  HH0.293600   14
CE2CA  -0.284884   15
HE2HA   0.177179   16
CD2CA  -0.198938   17
HD2HA   0.137143   18
  CC0.536600   19
  OO   -0.581900   20
  PP1.393213   21
OP1OH  -0.752821   22
OP2O2  -0.822464   23
OP3O2  -0.822464   24
H1PHO   0.423316   25


[ bonds ]
  N H
  NCA
 CAHA
 CACB
 CA C
 CB   HB1
 CB   HB2
 CBCG
 CG   CD1
 CG   CD2
CD1   HD1
CD1   CE1
CE1   HE1
CE1CZ
 CZOS
 CZ   CE2
 OS P
CE2   HE2
CE2   CD2
CD2   HD2
  C O
 -C N
  P   OP1
  P   OP2
  P   OP3
H1P   OP1


[ impropers ]
 -CCA N H
 CA+N C O
 CG   CE2   CD2   HD2
 CZ   CD2   CE2   HE2
CD1CZ   CE1   HE1
 CG   CE1   CD1   HD1
CD1   CD2CGCB
CE1   CE2CZOH


The LINCS problems lie between the oxygen atom of the phosphate where a
hydrogen atom is bound to (OP1) 

Re: [gmx-users] How to create a box of molecules with three layers?

2012-09-20 Thread Justin Lemkul



On 9/20/12 7:27 AM, Ali Alizadeh wrote:

Dear Justin

For example, In that tutorial(box vector : 3 , 3 , 10),

At first, I add cyclo hexane into my system( center: 3 ,3 ,1)
Then I add water with certain certain thickness(center: 3 , 3 , 5)
Then I want to add cyclo hexane into my system( center: 3 ,3 , 8)

Is it possible? How to?



The logic for doing this is described explicitly in the tutorial:

http://www.bevanlab.biochem.vt.edu/Pages/Personal/justin/gmx-tutorials/biphasic/02_construct.html

-Justin

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Re: [gmx-users] tutorial for liquid-solid simulation

2012-09-20 Thread Justin Lemkul



On 9/20/12 7:55 AM, cuong nguyen wrote:

Dear Gromacs Users,

Could you please show me the tutorial for liquid-solid simulation?



If it's not at http://www.gromacs.org/Documentation/Tutorials or found by 
Google, then it doesn't exist.


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Re: [gmx-users] LINCS warning in md run

2012-09-20 Thread reisingere
Hi Justin,
 thank you a lot for your answer. I will try it.

Best,
Eva


 On 9/20/12 6:52 AM, reising...@rostlab.informatik.tu-muenchen.de wrote:
 Hi,
   now I tried it without any restriction and still the LINCS warnings
 occur.
 Since it is always the hydrogen atom where the huge force lies on I had
 the idea just to remove the hydrogen atom to find out whether another
 atom
 will occur to have such a high force on or everything went fine. And
 indeed, without the hydrogen atom there is no problem during the MD run.
 Even when I fix all the other atoms.

 I can not see why this occurs. I already looked at the residue with
 pymol
 and I could see that there is no other residue or atom clashing with it.


 I suspect what is happening is that the topology is not stable.  If
 removal of
 the H atom leads to stable trajectories, then it is experiencing some
 interaction that leads to the crash.  Likely what is happening is that it
 is
 experiencing a very strong 1-4 interaction with the other phosphate
 oxygens and
 is being pulled very hard away from the oxygen to which it is bonded,
 leading to
 deformed geometry and the LINCS warnings.  There are two possible
 solutions:

 1. Modify the 1-4 interactions through an appropriate pair term.
 2. Add exclusions to the topology between the H atom and each of the O
 atoms to
 which it is not bonded.

 I would recommend testing with a very simple system of TYP in water to
 validate
 that the topology is stable and rule out other factors.

 -Justin

 The residue looks like this:

 ATOM955  N   TYP65  27.310  23.150  27.670  1.00  0.00
N
 ATOM956  CA  TYP65  26.870  23.320  26.300  1.00  0.00
C
 ATOM957  C   TYP65  27.920  23.760  25.300  1.00  0.00
C
 ATOM958  O   TYP65  28.060  23.210  24.210  1.00  0.00
O
 ATOM959  CB  TYP65  25.740  24.340  26.170  1.00  0.00
C
 ATOM960  CG  TYP65  24.530  23.740  26.830  1.00  0.00
C
 ATOM961  CD1 TYP65  24.410  23.760  28.220  1.00  0.00
C
 ATOM962  CD2 TYP65  23.510  23.180  26.050  1.00  0.00
C
 ATOM963  CE1 TYP65  23.290  23.210  28.840  1.00  0.00
C
 ATOM964  CE2 TYP65  22.380  22.630  26.660  1.00  0.00
C
 ATOM965  CZ  TYP65  22.260  22.630  28.070  1.00  0.00
C
 ATOM966  OH  TYP65  21.160  22.100  28.670  1.00  0.00
O
 ATOM967  P   TYP65  20.298  21.422  27.722  1.00  0.00
P
 ATOM968  OP1 TYP65  21.003  21.245  26.467  1.00  0.00
O
 ATOM969  OP2 TYP65  19.920  20.126  28.251  1.00  0.00
O
 ATOM970  OP3 TYP65  19.106  22.218  27.498  1.00  0.00
O
 ATOM971  H   TYP65  27.210  23.914  28.325  1.00  0.00
H
 ATOM972  HA  TYP65  26.485  22.366  25.933  1.00  0.00
H
 ATOM973  HB1 TYP65  25.524  24.543  25.119  1.00  0.00
H
 ATOM974  HB2 TYP65  26.010  25.270  26.669  1.00  0.00
H
 ATOM975  HD1 TYP65  25.154  24.234  28.821  1.00  0.00
H
 ATOM976  HD2 TYP65  23.603  23.156  24.973  1.00  0.00
H
 ATOM977  HE1 TYP65  23.200  23.222  29.916  1.00  0.00
H
 ATOM978  HE2 TYP65  21.603  22.189  26.053  1.00  0.00
H
 ATOM979  H1P TYP65  20.357  20.996  25.802  1.00  0.00
H


 The topology entry in the aminoacid.rtp file looks like this:

 [ TYP ]
   [ atoms ]
   NN   -0.5163001
  CACT   0.2755032
  HAH1   0.0082233
  CBCT  -0.3540524
 HB1HC   0.1103265
 HB2HC   0.1103266
  CGCA   0.1197287
 CD1CA  -0.1989388
 HD1HA   0.1371439
 CE1CA  -0.284884   10
 HE1HA   0.177179   11
  CZC0.452616   12
  OHOS  -0.534452   13
   HH0.293600   14
 CE2CA  -0.284884   15
 HE2HA   0.177179   16
 CD2CA  -0.198938   17
 HD2HA   0.137143   18
   CC0.536600   19
   OO   -0.581900   20
   PP1.393213   21
 OP1OH  -0.752821   22
 OP2O2  -0.822464   23
 OP3O2  -0.822464   24
 H1PHO   0.423316   25


 [ bonds ]
   N H
   NCA
  CAHA
  CACB
  CA C
  CB   HB1
  CB   HB2
  CBCG
  CG   CD1
  CG   CD2
 CD1   HD1
 CD1   CE1
 CE1   HE1
 CE1CZ
  CZOS
  CZ   CE2
  OS P
 CE2   HE2
 CE2   CD2
 CD2   HD2
   C O
  -C N
   P   OP1
   P   OP2
   P   OP3
 H1P   OP1


 [ impropers ]
  -CCA N H
  CA+N C O
  CG   CE2   CD2   HD2
  CZ   CD2   CE2   HE2
 CD1

Re: [gmx-users] hi

2012-09-20 Thread Shima Arasteh
Hi,
Welcome! :-) Sincerely,
Shima



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To: gmx-users@gromacs.org 
Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2012 10:11 PM
Subject: [gmx-users] hi
 

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[gmx-users] Problems in mdrun - CHARMM27

2012-09-20 Thread Lara Bunte
Hello

Could you please take a look on my new pr.mdp file that I created for 
equilibrating water around lumiflavin. grompp works but I guess there must be 
something wrong because after grompp I am using mdrun and get this warning:

Warning: 1-4 interaction between 1 and 5 at distance 2.429 which is larger than 
the 1-4 table size 2.200 nm
These are ignored for the rest of the simulation
This usually means your system is exploding,
if not, you should increase table-extension in your mdp file
or with user tables increase the table size


step 1: Water molecule starting at atom 8655 can not be settled.
Check for bad contacts and/or reduce the timestep if appropriate.
Wrote pdb files with previous and current coordinates


My system is lumiflavin in a dodecahedron box, a tip3p water model and the 
CHARMM27 force field. This is my pr.mdp file:

title   = Lumiflavin NVT equilibration 
define  = -DPOSRES    
; Run parameters
integrator  = md   
nsteps  = 5    ; 2 * 5 = 100 ps
dt  = 0.002    ; 2 fs
; Output control
nstxout = 100   ; save coordinates every 0.2 ps
nstvout = 100   ; save velocities every 0.2 ps
nstenergy   = 100  ; save energies every 0.2 ps
nstlog  = 100    ; update log file every 0.2 ps
; Bond parameters
continuation    = no    ; first dynamics run
constraint_algorithm = lincs    ; holonomic constraints 
constraints = all-bonds ; all bonds (even heavy atom-H bonds) 
constrained
lincs_iter  = 1 ; accuracy of LINCS
lincs_order = 4 ; also related to accuracy
; Neighborsearching
ns_type = grid  ; search neighboring grid cells
nstlist = 5        ; 10 fs
rlist   = 1.2       ; short-range neighborlist cutoff (in nm)
rlistlong   = 1.4
rcoulomb    = 1.2 ; short-range electrostatic cutoff (in nm)
rvdw    = 1.2   ; short-range van der Waals cutoff (in nm)
; Electrostatics
coulombtype = PME  ; Particle Mesh Ewald for long-range electrostatics
pme_order   = 4 ; cubic interpolation
fourierspacing  = 0.16    ; grid spacing for FFT
; Temperature coupling is on
tcoupl  = V-rescale ; modified Berendsen thermostat
tc-grps = ISO SOL   ; two coupling groups - more accurate
tau_t   = 0.1   0.1 ; time constant, in ps
ref_t   = 300   300 ; reference temperature, one for each group, in 
K
; Pressure coupling is off
pcoupl  = no    ; no pressure coupling in NVT
; Velocity generation
gen_vel = yes   ; assign velocities from Maxwell distribution
gen_temp    = 300   ; temperature for Maxwell distribution
gen_seed    = -1    ; generate a random seed

Thanks for helping me

Best greetings
Lara
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Re: [gmx-users] Problems in mdrun - CHARMM27

2012-09-20 Thread Justin Lemkul



On 9/20/12 3:04 PM, Lara Bunte wrote:

Hello

Could you please take a look on my new pr.mdp file that I created for 
equilibrating water around lumiflavin. grompp works but I guess there must be 
something wrong because after grompp I am using mdrun and get this warning:

Warning: 1-4 interaction between 1 and 5 at distance 2.429 which is larger than 
the 1-4 table size 2.200 nm
These are ignored for the rest of the simulation
This usually means your system is exploding,
if not, you should increase table-extension in your mdp file
or with user tables increase the table size


step 1: Water molecule starting at atom 8655 can not be settled.
Check for bad contacts and/or reduce the timestep if appropriate.
Wrote pdb files with previous and current coordinates


My system is lumiflavin in a dodecahedron box, a tip3p water model and the 
CHARMM27 force field. This is my pr.mdp file:



You are not using correct settings.  Peter posted these the other day for 
CHARMM27:

http://lists.gromacs.org/pipermail/gmx-users/2012-September/074717.html

Beyond that, how successful was energy minimization?  How did you derive the 
topology?  Does an in vacuo run of just the solute work, or does it fail as well 
(implicates an incorrect topology)?


-Justin


title   = Lumiflavin NVT equilibration
define  = -DPOSRES
; Run parameters
integrator  = md
nsteps  = 5; 2 * 5 = 100 ps
dt  = 0.002; 2 fs
; Output control
nstxout = 100   ; save coordinates every 0.2 ps
nstvout = 100   ; save velocities every 0.2 ps
nstenergy   = 100  ; save energies every 0.2 ps
nstlog  = 100; update log file every 0.2 ps
; Bond parameters
continuation= no; first dynamics run
constraint_algorithm = lincs; holonomic constraints
constraints = all-bonds ; all bonds (even heavy atom-H bonds) 
constrained
lincs_iter  = 1 ; accuracy of LINCS
lincs_order = 4 ; also related to accuracy
; Neighborsearching
ns_type = grid  ; search neighboring grid cells
nstlist = 5; 10 fs
rlist   = 1.2   ; short-range neighborlist cutoff (in nm)
rlistlong   = 1.4
rcoulomb= 1.2 ; short-range electrostatic cutoff (in nm)
rvdw= 1.2   ; short-range van der Waals cutoff (in nm)
; Electrostatics
coulombtype = PME  ; Particle Mesh Ewald for long-range electrostatics
pme_order   = 4 ; cubic interpolation
fourierspacing  = 0.16; grid spacing for FFT
; Temperature coupling is on
tcoupl  = V-rescale ; modified Berendsen thermostat
tc-grps = ISO SOL   ; two coupling groups - more accurate
tau_t   = 0.1   0.1 ; time constant, in ps
ref_t   = 300   300 ; reference temperature, one for each group, in 
K
; Pressure coupling is off
pcoupl  = no; no pressure coupling in NVT
; Velocity generation
gen_vel = yes   ; assign velocities from Maxwell distribution
gen_temp= 300   ; temperature for Maxwell distribution
gen_seed= -1; generate a random seed

Thanks for helping me

Best greetings
Lara



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Re: [gmx-users] Re: v-rescale

2012-09-20 Thread ms

On 20/09/12 01:35, Peter C. Lai wrote:

then switching to nose-hoover for production
runs (as nose-hoover chains result in the correct canonical distribution)?


I was under the impression that v-rescale resulted in the correct 
canonical distribution as well. Is this incorrect?



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[gmx-users] CHARMM27 Equilibrating Settings

2012-09-20 Thread Lara Bunte
Hello
In my former questions I got some answers that leads me to following question 
(I am really thankful for that. This mailing list and the people here are great 
:-) ).

I am using a CHARMM27 force field and it seems that I often used wrong settings 
in equilibrating and energy minimization. Some of this setting are told to me 
but I have now the questions: 

Where do I find this parameters for equilibrating and minimization for the 
CHARMM27 force field? I tried google and mostly I found my own questions here 
in this mailing list :( 

Thanks for help

Greetings
Lara

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Re: [gmx-users] Re: v-rescale

2012-09-20 Thread Mark Abraham

On 20/09/2012 9:35 AM, Peter C. Lai wrote:

I am not sure where the idea of using berendsen barostat with the v-rescale
thermostat for equilibration came from, however. Doesn't the typical
equilibration begin with v-rescale for temperature equilibration then
adding parinello-rahman barostat then switching to nose-hoover for production
runs (as nose-hoover chains result in the correct canonical distribution)?


N-H does have known issues, see 
http://link.aip.org/link/doi/10.1063/1.2989802 and 
http://link.aip.org/link/doi/10.1063/1.2408420. I am not aware of any 
shortcomings of the Bussi v-rescale thermostat in GROMACS.


Mark



On 2012-09-19 04:24:27PM -0700, Ladasky wrote:

Dear Sara,

I just had a problem with my simulations that I traced to the use of the
V-rescale temperature algorithm.  Here is my recent post:

http://gromacs.5086.n6.nabble.com/Re-Water-molecules-cannot-be-settled-why-td4999302.html;cid=1348087067061-71#a5001121

V-rescale may be appropriate in certain simulations, but it is apparently
NOT appropriate when used with Berendsen pressure coupling during the
initial equilibration.  I don't know if that is related to your problem, but
it's something that I just discovered the hard way.



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Re: [gmx-users] Re: v-rescale

2012-09-20 Thread Michael Shirts
I've done some extensive testing (paper on testing method in the
works) and vrescale gives a very accurate ensemble very well for NVT.
Parrinello-Rahman and MTTK are the only algorithms that are correct
for NPT.  Berendsen barostat is not.  Note that there is a bug with
vrescale + md-vv + that is fixed in 4.6 and (hopefully) for the next
patch of 4.5.

For equilibrating a system, Berendsen for both temperature and
pressure is the best bet.  They artificially minimize fluctuations,
which is great for equilibration, bad for data collection.

On Thu, Sep 20, 2012 at 6:05 PM, Mark Abraham mark.abra...@anu.edu.au wrote:
 On 20/09/2012 9:35 AM, Peter C. Lai wrote:

 I am not sure where the idea of using berendsen barostat with the
 v-rescale
 thermostat for equilibration came from, however. Doesn't the typical
 equilibration begin with v-rescale for temperature equilibration then
 adding parinello-rahman barostat then switching to nose-hoover for
 production
 runs (as nose-hoover chains result in the correct canonical distribution)?


 N-H does have known issues, see
 http://link.aip.org/link/doi/10.1063/1.2989802 and
 http://link.aip.org/link/doi/10.1063/1.2408420. I am not aware of any
 shortcomings of the Bussi v-rescale thermostat in GROMACS.

 Mark



 On 2012-09-19 04:24:27PM -0700, Ladasky wrote:

 Dear Sara,

 I just had a problem with my simulations that I traced to the use of the
 V-rescale temperature algorithm.  Here is my recent post:


 http://gromacs.5086.n6.nabble.com/Re-Water-molecules-cannot-be-settled-why-td4999302.html;cid=1348087067061-71#a5001121

 V-rescale may be appropriate in certain simulations, but it is apparently
 NOT appropriate when used with Berendsen pressure coupling during the
 initial equilibration.  I don't know if that is related to your problem,
 but
 it's something that I just discovered the hard way.



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Re: [gmx-users] CHARMM27 Equilibrating Settings

2012-09-20 Thread Peter Lai
Lara Bunte lara.bu...@yahoo.de wrote:

Hello
In my former questions I got some answers that leads me to following
question (I am really thankful for that. This mailing list and the
people here are great :-) ).

I am using a CHARMM27 force field and it seems that I often used wrong
settings in equilibrating and energy minimization. Some of this setting
are told to me but I have now the questions: 

Where do I find this parameters for equilibrating and minimization for
the CHARMM27 force field? I tried google and mostly I found my own
questions here in this mailing list :( 

Thanks for help

Greetings
Lara

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I have not found any rationale for changing the cutoffs during equilibration 
with charmm27. For some special cases (minimization in vacuum) I might 
increase/double the cutoffs just so each particle sees more neighbors due to 
the otherwise lower particle density. For MD runs (equilibration or production) 
I obtained my cutoffs from Roland Schulz at Oak Ridge National Laboratory: 
http://cmb.ornl.gov/members/z8g/cheat-sheet-for-gromacs)
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[gmx-users] Input/output error in GROMACS

2012-09-20 Thread Elie M

Dear all,
I am trying to use editconf to produce a .GRO file from an .XYZ file but I am 
getting the following error:
Program editconf, VERSION 4.0.5Source code file: futil.c, line: 330
File input/output error:S54NONSOLV.xyz.gro
Some of the input file is:46S54 NONSOLVATED POLYMERC 5.33751
-1.90290 0.0C 5.75001-2.61740 0.0S  
   5.19791-3.23050 0.0C 4.44431-2.89490 
0.0C 4.53051-2.07440 0.0C 
3.01530-2.89490 0.0C 3.72980-3.30740
 0.0C 3.72980-4.13240 0.0C 3.01530  
  -4.54491 0.0C 2.30080-4.13240 
0.0C 2.30080-3.30740 0.0...
The XYZ format is right. Is it that editconf cannot read .XYZ files although I 
understood otherwise..
Thanks
Elie

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Re: [gmx-users] Input/output error in GROMACS

2012-09-20 Thread Justin Lemkul



On 9/20/12 8:00 PM, Elie M wrote:


Dear all,
I am trying to use editconf to produce a .GRO file from an .XYZ file but I am 
getting the following error:
Program editconf, VERSION 4.0.5Source code file: futil.c, line: 330
File input/output error:S54NONSOLV.xyz.gro
Some of the input file is:46S54 NONSOLVATED POLYMERC 5.33751
-1.90290 0.0C 5.75001-2.61740 0.0S  
   5.19791-3.23050 0.0C 4.44431-2.89490 
0.0C 4.53051-2.07440 0.0C 
3.01530-2.89490 0.0C 3.72980-3.30740
 0.0C 3.72980-4.13240 0.0C 3.01530  
  -4.54491 0.0C 2.30080-4.13240 
0.0C 2.30080-3.30740 0.0...
The XYZ format is right. Is it that editconf cannot read .XYZ files although I 
understood otherwise..


A closer look at the code indicates that .xyz files are only read in certain 
circumstances, but I haven't looked closely.  The fatal error indicates quite 
clearly that .xyz files are not accepted, since editconf appends a .gro 
extension to your file name.


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Re: [gmx-users] Photodissociation through MD

2012-09-20 Thread Justin Lemkul



On 9/20/12 9:35 PM, Rajiv Gandhi wrote:

Dear all gromacs users,

In myoglobin system, how we can cut the bond between Fe-C to produce the
photodissociation through MD?.

I have seen there are number of studies over photodissociation and also
I believe that people have used their appropriate parameterization files to
cut these bond.

I am struct with this parameter and cutting bond process. It would be
really appreciated if anyone can give some suggestion/information about
this. Thanks a lot.




Bonds cannot be broken or formed in classical MD.  That process is more suited 
to QM/MM type calculations.  Certainly the papers you have read provide 
methodology, and if you have specific questions on what has been done, it would 
likely be more efficient to contact the corresponding author(s) of those papers 
directly.


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Re: [gmx-users] Photodissociation through MD

2012-09-20 Thread Mark Abraham

On 21/09/2012 11:35 AM, Rajiv Gandhi wrote:

Dear all gromacs users,

In myoglobin system, how we can cut the bond between Fe-C to produce the
photodissociation through MD?.


By not making it in your topology. Whatever procedure you follow for 
making the other Fe-C interactions needs to differ from the one you wish 
to model the cleaved bond.


Mark


I have seen there are number of studies over photodissociation and also
I believe that people have used their appropriate parameterization files to
cut these bond.

I am struct with this parameter and cutting bond process. It would be
really appreciated if anyone can give some suggestion/information about
this. Thanks a lot.


Sincerely

Rajiv


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