[gmx-users] Atoms are fused after inserting in membrane

2013-03-26 Thread Shine Devaraj
Dear gromacs users

I have prepared a complex system consists of a protein and carbohydrate in
lipid membrane using the
KALP-membrane tutorial. After concatenating the three coordinate files, I
visualized
using VMD, but around 18 lipid atoms and more than 25 water molecules are
joined with my protein
residues as well as carbohydrate.

I proceed to energy minimization  and it stops after reaching a step at
~500, showing high energy on one atom.

My question is how to rectify this. I visualized using VMD and manually
delete fused lipid and water molecule, but it creates large volume in
membrane. I could not move forcefully because it disturb the conformation.

Is any other way to correct it before proceeding to next phase.

Thanks in advance,

-Shine











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Re: [gmx-users] problem in converting coarse grained structure to fine strcture

2013-03-26 Thread Djurre de Jong-Bruinink
>I used the command g_fg2cg to convert a coarse grained structure into 
>corresponding fine strcture, and i found that the water molecues can be 
>transformed correctly, but there is a big mess in the protien , and i could 
>not get correct protein strcture, can anyone give me some suggestion?


g_fg2cg only generates an atomistic input structure for the actual reverse 
transformation run. The atoms are placed at random position within the CG-beads 
and thus the protein is supposed to be "a big mess" after this step. 

Please read 
"http://md.chem.rug.nl/cgmartini/index.php/tutorial/reverse-transformation"; for 
a more extensive explanation.


Groetnis,
Djurre

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Re: [gmx-users] scaling factor for rna/dna

2013-03-26 Thread Erik Marklund
Hi,

I suggest contacting people in Johan Åqvist's lab. I'm sure they know exactly 
what pitfalls there may be with regards to the choice of LIE parameters and 
what has been done for different types of molecules.

Erik

On 26 Mar 2013, at 02:42, Vishwambhar Bhandare  wrote:

> dear gromacs users,
> I am doing LIE calculation in gromacs for RNA molecules,
> What scaling factor (alpha and beta) should i use for calculation?
> Is that default values for protein ligand will work'?
> how we can get these alpha and beta scaling factors for nucleic acid?
> thanks in advance..
> 
> 
> Thanks and Regards,
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Re: [gmx-users] position restraints

2013-03-26 Thread Shima Arasteh

Hi Dear Justin


First of all, I request you that not to shout at me! I am so sorry to ask you 
questions about position restraints again!

I
 know I have sent you such emails before, and you suggested me to read 
include file mechanism in web site. I did this and also read some emails
 in forum. But I think I have problems with include mechanism. Again I 
got into the trouble about position restraining:

As you told me -DPOSRES will not trigger #ifdef POSRE or #ifdef DPOSRES.

I
 have a system of POPC/ions/waters and a double chain protein inserted 
in POPC bilayer. I put restraints on P headgroups and protein. I added 
the define line to the mdp file as follow:
define        = -DPOSRES_LIPID -DPOSRES

Then added the itp files to my top as follow:

; Include chain topologies
#include "topol_Protein_chain_A.itp"
#ifdef POSRE
#include "protein_chain_A_posre.itp"
#endif
#include "topol_Protein_chain_B.itp"
#ifdef POSRE
#include "protein_chain_B_posre.itp"
#endif

; Include POPC chain topology
#include "popc.itp"
#ifdef POSRES_LIPID
#include "lipid_posre.itp"
#endif


But when I run the grompp with -pp flag, I see that restraints on chain_B are 
not included!

Then
 I changed the numbering in protein_chain_B_posre.itp to what they are 
in their original itp file, generated earlier by pdb2gmx. Do you agree 
that it is the problem which I encountered with? 
Now when I run grompp I see the restraints after each chains with the same 
numbering.


Sincerely,
Shima

 
Sincerely,
Shima


- Original Message -
From: Justin Lemkul 
To: Discussion list for GROMACS users 
Cc: 
Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2013 12:02 AM
Subject: Re: [gmx-users] position restraints



On 3/25/13 3:25 PM, Shima Arasteh wrote:
> Dear Justin,
> 
> As I got, I need to edit the lipid_posre.itp file. To do so, I need to change 
> numbering of position restraining in lipid_posre.itp file to what they are in 
> their original itp file: In my case popc.itp file.
> Am I right?
> 

More or less, but for the sake of clarity, let me explain this fully so you can 
hopefully arrive at a resolution quickly.  Say I have a system of arbitrary 
molecules that have 4 atoms each.  Position restraints only work per 
[moleculetype], so using genrestr is somewhat dangerous unless you are working 
with a coordinate file or suitable index file that only specifies a single 
molecule.  Otherwise, the selection is rather ham-handed and actually gives you 
a nonfunctional .itp file (hence the WARNING in the help description). 
Therefore, I can only use atom numbers 1, 2, 3, and 4 in my 
[position_restraints] directive.  Anything above 4 (i.e. based on selecting 
multiple molecules in genrestr) triggers a fatal error.

What then happens is that grompp reads those atoms, and every time it 
encounters those atom numbers within the [moleculetype] (irrespective of how 
many times that molecule appears), restraints are applied as specified.

So, if you want to restrain only P atoms of every POPC molecule, you basically 
need a one-line .itp file.  If, for instance, P is atom number 8:

[ position_restraints ]
   8   1   0    0    1000

That will restrain all P atoms (every time they occur, as grompp finds them 
throughout the coordinate file) in the z-dimension only.  Hopefully that all 
makes sense and this experience has been educational as far as how these things 
work.

-Justin

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Re: [gmx-users] position restraints

2013-03-26 Thread Justin Lemkul



On 3/26/13 7:01 AM, Shima Arasteh wrote:


Hi Dear Justin


First of all, I request you that not to shout at me! I am so sorry to ask you 
questions about position restraints again!



I haven't done any shouting, but statements like this seem to imply that I have. 
 The point of this forum is post your questions, so if things still aren't 
clear, then you're welcome to post them.  Hopefully I have never given anyone 
the impression of anger or castigation in my answers.  Sometimes I am terse, but 
that's because I'm busy with my own work, and a short answer is preferable to a 
long one.



I
  know I have sent you such emails before, and you suggested me to read
include file mechanism in web site. I did this and also read some emails
  in forum. But I think I have problems with include mechanism. Again I
got into the trouble about position restraining:

As you told me -DPOSRES will not trigger #ifdef POSRE or #ifdef DPOSRES.

I
  have a system of POPC/ions/waters and a double chain protein inserted
in POPC bilayer. I put restraints on P headgroups and protein. I added
the define line to the mdp file as follow:
define= -DPOSRES_LIPID -DPOSRES

Then added the itp files to my top as follow:

; Include chain topologies
#include "topol_Protein_chain_A.itp"
#ifdef POSRE
#include "protein_chain_A_posre.itp"
#endif
#include "topol_Protein_chain_B.itp"
#ifdef POSRE
#include "protein_chain_B_posre.itp"
#endif



#ifdef POSRE requires -DPOSRE, not -DPOSRES as you have above.  I've now said 
that three times (and you said it above!), so please be mindful of the advice 
you've been given and take care in what you're doing.



; Include POPC chain topology
#include "popc.itp"
#ifdef POSRES_LIPID
#include "lipid_posre.itp"
#endif


But when I run the grompp with -pp flag, I see that restraints on chain_B are 
not included!



I don't see how that's possible.  Position restraints for both chains are under 
the control of the same #ifdef condition, as shown above.  One cannot be 
restrained without the other.



Then
  I changed the numbering in protein_chain_B_posre.itp to what they are
in their original itp file, generated earlier by pdb2gmx. Do you agree
that it is the problem which I encountered with?


pdb2gmx should have provided you with suitable restraint .itp files when you 
produced the original topology, and will have written suitable #ifdef blocks to 
properly use them.  Have you manipulated these files in some way?  If you have, 
start over.  Use the files that pdb2gmx gave you until you can convince yourself 
that you know how to use them correctly, then apply whatever custom restraints 
you feel are necessary.  Learn to walk before you run.



Now when I run grompp I see the restraints after each chains with the same 
numbering.



I don't exactly know what this means.  Are chains A and B identical?  If they 
are, then this makes sense.


-Justin

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Re: [gmx-users] Atoms are fused after inserting in membrane

2013-03-26 Thread Justin Lemkul



On 3/26/13 5:17 AM, Shine Devaraj wrote:

Dear gromacs users

I have prepared a complex system consists of a protein and carbohydrate in
lipid membrane using the
KALP-membrane tutorial. After concatenating the three coordinate files, I
visualized
using VMD, but around 18 lipid atoms and more than 25 water molecules are
joined with my protein
residues as well as carbohydrate.



None of these molecules are "fused," but VMD thinks bonds exist because atoms 
are close together.



I proceed to energy minimization  and it stops after reaching a step at
~500, showing high energy on one atom.

My question is how to rectify this. I visualized using VMD and manually
delete fused lipid and water molecule, but it creates large volume in
membrane. I could not move forcefully because it disturb the conformation.

Is any other way to correct it before proceeding to next phase.



You need to prepare the system more carefully.  If you are following the 
protocol from my tutorial, then you've probably over-packed the lipids such that 
they get very close to the protein, though the outcome of the shrinking step 
energy minimizations should have made it obvious that something was wrong.  As 
for the position of the carbohydrate, that's up to you to figure out.  Water 
molecules also should not have gotten close to the protein or lipids if you use 
the approach described in the tutorial (increasing vdW radii to avoid solvation 
within the membrane).


-Justin

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Re: [gmx-users] position restraints

2013-03-26 Thread Shima Arasteh
No, You have not shouted at me, never! But sometimes I think that I deserve to 
be shouted !!
I deeply appreciate your patience and attention. Thanks for your time and your 
replies. 

In my protein, chains A and B are identical. 



 
Sincerely,
Shima


- Original Message -
From: Justin Lemkul 
To: Shima Arasteh ; Discussion list for GROMACS 
users 
Cc: 
Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2013 4:16 PM
Subject: Re: [gmx-users] position restraints



On 3/26/13 7:01 AM, Shima Arasteh wrote:
> 
> Hi Dear Justin
> 
> 
> First of all, I request you that not to shout at me! I am so sorry to ask you 
> questions about position restraints again!
> 

I haven't done any shouting, but statements like this seem to imply that I 
have.  The point of this forum is post your questions, so if things still 
aren't clear, then you're welcome to post them.  Hopefully I have never given 
anyone the impression of anger or castigation in my answers.  Sometimes I am 
terse, but that's because I'm busy with my own work, and a short answer is 
preferable to a long one.

> I
>   know I have sent you such emails before, and you suggested me to read
> include file mechanism in web site. I did this and also read some emails
>   in forum. But I think I have problems with include mechanism. Again I
> got into the trouble about position restraining:
> 
> As you told me -DPOSRES will not trigger #ifdef POSRE or #ifdef DPOSRES.
> 
> I
>   have a system of POPC/ions/waters and a double chain protein inserted
> in POPC bilayer. I put restraints on P headgroups and protein. I added
> the define line to the mdp file as follow:
> define        = -DPOSRES_LIPID -DPOSRES
> 
> Then added the itp files to my top as follow:
> 
> ; Include chain topologies
> #include "topol_Protein_chain_A.itp"
> #ifdef POSRE
> #include "protein_chain_A_posre.itp"
> #endif
> #include "topol_Protein_chain_B.itp"
> #ifdef POSRE
> #include "protein_chain_B_posre.itp"
> #endif
> 

#ifdef POSRE requires -DPOSRE, not -DPOSRES as you have above.  I've now said 
that three times (and you said it above!), so please be mindful of the advice 
you've been given and take care in what you're doing.

> ; Include POPC chain topology
> #include "popc.itp"
> #ifdef POSRES_LIPID
> #include "lipid_posre.itp"
> #endif
> 
> 
> But when I run the grompp with -pp flag, I see that restraints on chain_B are 
> not included!
> 

I don't see how that's possible.  Position restraints for both chains are under 
the control of the same #ifdef condition, as shown above.  One cannot be 
restrained without the other.

> Then
>   I changed the numbering in protein_chain_B_posre.itp to what they are
> in their original itp file, generated earlier by pdb2gmx. Do you agree
> that it is the problem which I encountered with?

pdb2gmx should have provided you with suitable restraint .itp files when you 
produced the original topology, and will have written suitable #ifdef blocks to 
properly use them.  Have you manipulated these files in some way?  If you have, 
start over.  Use the files that pdb2gmx gave you until you can convince 
yourself that you know how to use them correctly, then apply whatever custom 
restraints you feel are necessary.  Learn to walk before you run.

> Now when I run grompp I see the restraints after each chains with the same 
> numbering.
> 

I don't exactly know what this means.  Are chains A and B identical?  If they 
are, then this makes sense.

-Justin

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[gmx-users] About Deutrium Order Parameter

2013-03-26 Thread vidhya sankar
Dear Justin Thank you for your Previous reply,  


 I want to calculate  Variation of deuterium order Parameter With respect 
to Time  for Entire Trajectory and Hydration Number of Phosphate oxygen For My 
Entire Trajectory . 

Thereby I can Identify the Equilibration Time For My Membrane  
Is There is Any Tool in gromacs?

Thanks In advance
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Re: [gmx-users] position restraints

2013-03-26 Thread Justin Lemkul



On 3/26/13 8:39 AM, Shima Arasteh wrote:

No, You have not shouted at me, never! But sometimes I think that I deserve to 
be shouted !!
I deeply appreciate your patience and attention. Thanks for your time and your 
replies.

In my protein, chains A and B are identical.



If they are identical, then so too should be the position restraint files.  In 
this case, it is still confusing in my mind (really, impossible) that one chain 
gets restrained and the other doesn't.  How are you assessing whether or not the 
restraints are being applied?  Can you quantitatively demonstrate that the 
restraints are not working?  Applying restraints to a protein is a fairly 
rudimentary task, especially when handled by pdb2gmx topologies.


-Justin

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Re: [gmx-users] About Deutrium Order Parameter

2013-03-26 Thread Justin Lemkul



On 3/26/13 11:24 AM, vidhya sankar wrote:

Dear Justin Thank you for your Previous reply,


  I want to calculate  Variation of deuterium order Parameter With respect 
to Time  for Entire Trajectory and Hydration Number of Phosphate oxygen For My 
Entire Trajectory .

Thereby I can Identify the Equilibration Time For My Membrane
Is There is Any Tool in gromacs?



I would suggest you consult the manual, Chapter 8 and Appendix D, where all the 
analysis tools are described in full.


-Justin

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Re: Fw: [gmx-users] position restraints

2013-03-26 Thread Justin Lemkul
On Tue, Mar 26, 2013 at 1:01 PM, Shima Arasteh
wrote:

>
>
>
> Have a look at processed topology file here please; I see that position
> restraints are brought after chain_A but not brought after chain_B.
>
> With these settings:
> ; Include chain topologies
> #ifdef POSRES
> #include "topol_Protein_chain_A.itp"
> #include "protein_chain_A_posre.itp"
> #endif
> #ifdef POSRES
> #include "topol_Protein_chain_B.itp"
> #include "protein_chain_B_posre.itp"
> #endif
>
>
The above approach is incorrect. The inclusion of protein topologies is
dependent upon using position restraints? That's certainly not right,
especially if you ever want to run a simulation without restraints. The
following is the correct approach:

; Include chain topologies
#include "topol_Protein_chain_A.itp"
#ifdef POSRES
#include "protein_chain_A_posre.itp"
#endif

#include "topol_Protein_chain_B.itp"
#ifdef POSRES
#include "protein_chain_B_posre.itp"
#endif

Also adding "define = -DPOSRES_LIPID -DPOSRES ", I get this processed.top:
>
>
> #grompp -f nvt.mdp -c minim.gro -p topol.top -n index.ndx -o nvt.tpr -pp
>
> THIS IS THE PROCESSED TOPOLOGY:
> ;File 'topol.top' was generated
> ;By user: shima (1000)
> ;On host: linux-cbyo.site
> ;At date: Wed Dec 12 12:17:51 2012
> ;
> ;This is a standalone topology file
> ;
> ;It was generated using program:
> ;pdb2gmx - VERSION 4.5.5
> ;
> ;Command line was:
> ;pdb2gmx -f dimer-rotated.pdb -o dimer-processed.pdb -ter -water tip3p
> ;
> ;Force field was read from current directory or a relative path - path
> added.
> ;
>
> ; Include forcefield parameters
> ; Conversion of CHARMM36 parameters to GROMACS format by Thomas Piggot,
> July 2010.
> ; Also added some parameters from later CHARMM27 versions, such as those
> for the PS headgroup.
> ;
> ; If you use these parameters please check out the forcefield.doc for
> papers to cite
>
> [ defaults ]
> ; nbfunccomb-rulegen-pairsfudgeLJfudgeQQ
> 12yes1.01.0
>
> ;
> ; Added new and changed old atomtypes and pairtypes (OSL, OSLP, HBL and
> CCL) - Thomas Pigot July 2010
> ;
> [ atomtypes ]
> ;nameat.nummasschargeptypesigmaepsilon
> C612.011000.51A0.3563594872560.46024
> CA612.01100-0.115A0.3550053212050.29288
> CC612.011000.62A0.3563594872560.29288
> CD612.011000.000A0.3563594872560.29288 ; partial
> charge def not found
> CE1612.011000.000A0.3723956641830.284512 ; partial
> charge def not found
> .
> .
> .
> .
> XNN1CN1AX9180.010.462
> XNN2CN3BX9180.04.1842
> XCN3CN3CX9180.00.41842
> XNN2CN3CX9180.00.41842
> XON4P3X90.01.25523
>
> [ dihedraltypes ]
> ; ijklfuncq0cq
> NN2BCN4CN5HN220.058.576
> NN2GCN4CN1HN220.06.6944
> NN1CN2HN1HN120.050.208
> CN1NN2GCN5GON120.0753.12
> CN1TNN2BNN2UON120.0920.48
> CN1NN2UCN3TON120.0753.12
> CN2NN3GNN2GNN120.0334.72
> CN2NN3ACN5NN120.0334.72
> CN2NN3CN3NN120.0502.08
> CN4NN2GNN3IHN320.0326.352
> CN3CN3CCN8HN620.0125.52
> HN2CN3CN3BNN220.0418.4
> HN1HN1CN1ANN120.0-41.84
> HN8CN3CN3CN820.0150.624
> HR1NR1NR2CPH220.004.184
> HR1NR2NR1CPH220.004.184
> HR3CPH1NR1CPH120.004.184
> HR3CPH1NR2CPH120.004.184
> HR3NR1CPH1CPH120.004.184
> HR3NR2CPH1CPH120.004.184
> NR1CPH1CPH2CN7B20.005.0208
> NR1CPH2CPH1CN7B20.005.0208
> HN2XXNN220.08.368
> HN1XXNN120.033.472
> CN1XXON120.0753.12
> CN1TXXON120.0753.12
> CN1XXON1C20.0669.44
> CN2XXNN120.0753.12
> CN9XXCN3T20.0117.152
> HN3BXXCN320.0125.52
> HN3BXXCN3A20.0108.784
> HN3BXXCN3B20.0108.784
> ON1XXCN1A20.0334.72
> HN3XXCN3C20.0443.504
> HN6XXCN3C20.0443.504
>
>
> ; Include chain topologies
> ;
> ;File 'topol_Protein_chain_A.itp' was generated
> ;By user: shima (1000)
> ;On host: linux-cbyo.site
> ;At date: Wed Dec 12 12:17:55 2012
> ;
> ;This is a include topology file
> ;
> ;It was generated using program:
> ;pdb2gmx - VERSION 4.5.5
> ;
> ;Command line was:
> ;pdb2

Re:Re: [gmx-users] problem in converting coarse grained structure to fine strcture

2013-03-26 Thread xiao
Dear Groetnis,
Thank you very much for your  nice suggestion.
BW
Fugui




At 2013-03-26 17:34:08,"Djurre de Jong-Bruinink"  wrote:
>>I used the command g_fg2cg to convert a coarse grained structure into 
>>corresponding fine strcture, and i found that the water molecues can be 
>>transformed correctly, but there is a big mess in the protien , and i could 
>>not get correct protein strcture, can anyone give me some suggestion?
>
>
>g_fg2cg only generates an atomistic input structure for the actual reverse 
>transformation run. The atoms are placed at random position within the 
>CG-beads and thus the protein is supposed to be "a big mess" after this step. 
>
>Please read 
>"http://md.chem.rug.nl/cgmartini/index.php/tutorial/reverse-transformation"; 
>for a more extensive explanation.
>
>
>Groetnis,
>Djurre
>
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Re: Fw: [gmx-users] position restraints

2013-03-26 Thread Shima Arasteh
The inclusion part was edited again in original top file. I dont know why I had 
written that! Sorry.
But about last itp files, which you mentioned that they are created 
incorrectly, 1) I 'd like to know what itp file should be created? In my own, I 
just included the chain_B.itp file with the same numbering as the chain_A.itp 
file.
2) One more thing, restraints for both chains are brought just one time in the 
processed.top file? I thought after each chain, the restraints which are 
included should be brought and written in processed.top file!!!


 With these modifications, I got this top file:

;
;    File 'topol.top' was generated
;    By user: shima (1000)
;    On host: linux-cbyo.site
;    At date: Wed Dec 12 12:17:51 2012
;
;    This is a standalone topology file
;
;    It was generated using program:
;    pdb2gmx - VERSION 4.5.5
;
;    Command line was:
;    pdb2gmx -f dimer-rotated.pdb -o dimer-processed.pdb -ter -water tip3p 
;
;    Force field was read from current directory or a relative path - path 
added.
;

; Include forcefield parameters
; Conversion of CHARMM36 parameters to GROMACS format by Thomas Piggot, July 
2010. 
; Also added some parameters from later CHARMM27 versions, such as those for 
the PS headgroup.
;
; If you use these parameters please check out the forcefield.doc for papers to 
cite

[ defaults ]
; nbfunc    comb-rule    gen-pairs    fudgeLJ    fudgeQQ
1    2    yes    1.0    1.0

;
; Added new and changed old atomtypes and pairtypes (OSL, OSLP, HBL and CCL) - 
Thomas Pigot July 2010
;
[ atomtypes ]
;name    at.num    mass    charge    ptype    sigma    epsilon
C    6    12.01100    0.51    A    0.356359487256    0.46024 
.
.
.

OBL    OHL    1    0.28241489365    0.565258245152
OBL    OSL    1    0.271724109033    0.45833423612        ; Different to C27
OBL    OSLP    1    0.271724109033    0.45833423612        ; Not in C27
OBL    NH3L    1    0.289542083396    0.648182492821
OBL    NTL    1    0.289542083396    0.648182492821
OBL    SL    1    0.311814551349    0.993644945843
OBL    PL    1    0.316269044939    1.10856262394
;
; Added new and changed old bonds/angles/dihedrals/impropers for CHARMM36 
Lipids and also PS headgroup - Thomas Piggot July 2010
;
; Also added in (but commented out) parameters for a trans double bond - TJP 
July 2010
;
[ bondtypes ]
; i    j    func    b0    kb
C     HA    1    0.110    261568.824! FORM, formamide reverted to value from 
par_all22_prot.inp and par_cgenff_1d.inp
CST    OST    1    0.116    784884.928
SS    FE    1    0.232    209200.0
C    C    1    0.1335    502080.0
CA    CA    1    0.1375    255224.0
.
.
.

X    FE    NPH    X    9    0.00    0.0    2
; ### For Heme bound to HSD
; Charmm patch PHEM defines only one dihedral term: 1CD2  1NE2  2FE  2NA
;   (1 = HSD, 2 = HEME)
; In gromacs we cannot differentiate between NA, NB, NC, and ND of the heme.
;   (values cannot be attributed in the rtp file for dihedrals involving atoms
;   from other residues)
; So we divide the original force constant (0.2092) by four.  
NPH FE  NR2 CPH1    9   0.00    0.0 4  ; This one is always 
zero.
NPH FE  NR2 CPH2    9   0.00    0.0523  4  ; This is X-FE-NR2-X 
from charmm
FE  NR2 CPH1    X   9   0.00    0.0 1
FE  NR2 CPH2    X   9   0.00    0.0 1
; ### For Heme bound to O2 or CO, we dont have to do this trick, because the 
force constant is 0.0
X   FE  OM  X   9   0.00    0.0 4
OM  FE  NR2 X   9   0.00    0.0 1
CM  FE  NR2 X   9   0.00    0.0 1
; ###
X    NPH    CPA    X    9    0.00    0.0    2
X    CTL1    OHL    X    9    0.00    0.58576    3
X    CTL2    OHL    X    9    0.00    0.58576    3
X    CTL3    OHL    X    9    0.00    0.58576    3
.
.
.
.
X    CEL1    CEL1    X    9    180.00    1.8828    1    ; New
X    CEL1    CEL1    X    9    180.00    35.564    2
X    CEL2    CEL2    X    9    180.00    20.5016    2

[ dihedraltypes ]
; i    j    k    l    func    q0    cq
C    NH1      O      HA     2    0.00    66. ! J8_FVAL- , from CG2O1 
NG2S2 OG2D1 HGR52, penalty= 1V
CPB    CPA    NPH    CPA    2    0.    174.0544
HA    CPA    CPA    CPM    2    0.    246.0192
HE2    HE2    CE2    CE2    2    0.00    25.104
HR1    NR1    NR2    CPH2    2    0.    4.184
HR1    NR2    NR1    CPH2    2    0.    4.184
HR3    CPH1    NR1    CPH1    2    0.    4.184
HR3    CPH1    NR2    CPH1    2    0.    4.184




; Include chain topologies

;
;    File 'topol_Protein_chain_A.itp' was generated
;    By user: shima (1000)
;    On host: linux-cbyo.site
;    At date: Wed Dec 12 12:17:55 2012
;
;    This is a include topology file
;
;    It was generated using program:
;    pdb2gmx - VERSION 4.5.5
;
;    Command line was:
;    pdb2gmx -f dimer-rotated.pdb -o dimer-processed.pdb -ter -water tip3p 
;
;    Force field was read from curren

Re: Fw: [gmx-users] position restraints

2013-03-26 Thread Justin Lemkul
On Tue, Mar 26, 2013 at 2:20 PM, Shima Arasteh
wrote:

> The inclusion part was edited again in original top file. I dont know why
> I had written that! Sorry.
> But about last itp files, which you mentioned that they are created
> incorrectly, 1) I 'd like to know what itp file should be created? In my
> own, I just included the chain_B.itp file with the same numbering as the
> chain_A.itp file.
>

I don't really know what that means. You should be using the files pdb2gmx
gave you, at least until you understand how all of this works. You should
not have to deal with anything related to restraining the protein. Hence
why I've suggested that you start over.


> 2) One more thing, restraints for both chains are brought just one time in
> the processed.top file? I thought after each chain, the restraints which
> are included should be brought and written in processed.top file!!!
>
>
They should. But what you showed makes no sense. Restraints can't
correspond to atoms that don't exist and there should only ever be on [
position_restraints ] directive per [ moleculetype ].

-Justin

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Re: Fw: [gmx-users] position restraints

2013-03-26 Thread Shima Arasteh
Thanks for all your explanations. 
What I get as a conclusion is this: 
itp files are dependent to the numbering of aoms in molecule type directive and 
not any other things! Each posre.itp file created by genrestr should be in 
consistent with the molculetype numbering!



Sincerely,
Shima



From: Justin Lemkul 
To: Discussion list for GROMACS users  
Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2013 10:54 PM
Subject: Re: Fw: [gmx-users] position restraints

On Tue, Mar 26, 2013 at 2:20 PM, Shima Arasteh
wrote:

> The inclusion part was edited again in original top file. I dont know why
> I had written that! Sorry.
> But about last itp files, which you mentioned that they are created
> incorrectly, 1) I 'd like to know what itp file should be created? In my
> own, I just included the chain_B.itp file with the same numbering as the
> chain_A.itp file.
>

I don't really know what that means. You should be using the files pdb2gmx
gave you, at least until you understand how all of this works. You should
not have to deal with anything related to restraining the protein. Hence
why I've suggested that you start over.


> 2) One more thing, restraints for both chains are brought just one time in
> the processed.top file? I thought after each chain, the restraints which
> are included should be brought and written in processed.top file!!!
>
>
They should. But what you showed makes no sense. Restraints can't
correspond to atoms that don't exist and there should only ever be on [
position_restraints ] directive per [ moleculetype ].

-Justin

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Re: Fw: [gmx-users] position restraints

2013-03-26 Thread Justin Lemkul
On Tue, Mar 26, 2013 at 2:33 PM, Shima Arasteh
wrote:

> Thanks for all your explanations.
> What I get as a conclusion is this:
> itp files are dependent to the numbering of aoms in molecule type
> directive and not any other things! Each posre.itp file created by genrestr
> should be in consistent with the molculetype numbering!
>
>
Yes, exactly.

-Justin

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[gmx-users] Hydrophobic contact cut-off

2013-03-26 Thread Kavyashree M
Dear users,

Sorry for an off-topic question..

What is the distance cut-off considered for
hydrophobic contact in protein?
Some paper states 4-8Ang, while some other
considers only till 5Ang. It is reported that this
is a long range interaction.

Any information clarifying this doubt will be very
useful.

Thank you
Kavya
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[gmx-users] chiller failure leads to truncated .cpt and _prev.cpt files using gromacs 4.6.1

2013-03-26 Thread Christopher Neale
Dear Users:

A cluster that I use went down today with a chiller failure. I lost all 16 jobs 
(running gromacs 4.6.1). For 13 of these jobs, not only is the .cpt file 
truncated, but also the _prev.cpt file is truncated, meaning that I am going to 
have to go back through the files, extract a frame, make a new .tpr file (using 
a new, custom .mdp file to get the timestamp right), restart the runs, and then 
later join the trajectory data fragments. 

I have experienced this a number of times over the years with different 
versions of gromacs (see, for example, http://redmine.gromacs.org/issues/790 ) 
and wonder if anybody else has experienced this?

Also, does anybody have some advice on how to handle this? For now, my idea is 
to run a script in the background to periodically check the .cpt file and make 
a copy if it is not corrupted/truncated so that I can always restart.

If it is useful information, both the .cpt and the _prev.cpt files have the 
same size and timestamp, but are smaller than non-corrupted .cpt files. E.g.:

$ ls -ltr --full-time *cpt
-rw-r- 1 cneale cneale 1963536 2013-03-22 17:18:04.0 -0700 
md2d_prev.cpt
-rw-r- 1 cneale cneale 1963536 2013-03-22 17:18:04.0 -0700 md2d.cpt
-rw-r- 1 cneale cneale 1048576 2013-03-26 12:46:02.0 -0700 md3.cpt
-rw-r- 1 cneale cneale 1048576 2013-03-26 12:46:03.0 -0700 
md3_prev.cpt

Where, above, md2d.cpt was from the last stage of my equilibration and md3.cpt 
was from my production.

Here is another example from a different run with corruption:

$ ls -ltr --full-time *cpt
-rw-r- 1 cneale cneale 2209508 2013-03-21 08:24:33.0 -0700 
md2d_prev.cpt
-rw-r- 1 cneale cneale 2209508 2013-03-21 08:24:33.0 -0700 md2d.cpt
-rw-r- 1 cneale cneale 2097152 2013-03-26 12:46:01.0 -0700 
md3_prev.cpt
-rw-r- 1 cneale cneale 2097152 2013-03-26 12:46:01.0 -0700 md3.cpt

I detect corruption/truncation in the .cpt file like this:
$ gmxcheck  -f md3.cpt
Fatal error:
Checkpoint file corrupted/truncated, or maybe you are out of disk space?
For more information and tips for troubleshooting, please check the GROMACS
website at http://www.gromacs.org/Documentation/Errors

Also, I confirmed the problem by trying to run mdrun:

$ mdrun -nt 1 -deffnm md3  -cpi md3.cpt -nsteps 50
Fatal error:
Checkpoint file corrupted/truncated, or maybe you are out of disk space?
For more information and tips for troubleshooting, please check the GROMACS
website at http://www.gromacs.org/Documentation/Errors

(and I get the same thing using md3_prev.cpt)

I am not out of disk space, but probably some type of condition like that 
existed when the chiller failed and the system went down:
$ df -h .
FilesystemSize  Used Avail Use% Mounted on
  342T   57T  281T  17% /global/scratch

Nor am I out of quota (although I have no command to show that here).

There is no corruption of .edr, .trr, or .xtc files

The .log files end like this:

Writing checkpoint, step 194008250 at Tue Mar 26 10:49:31 2013
Writing checkpoint, step 194932330 at Tue Mar 26 11:49:31 2013
   Step   Time Lambda
  195757661   391515.322000.0
Writing checkpoint, step 195757661 at Tue Mar 26 12:46:02 2013

I am motivated to help solve this problem, but have no idea how to stop gromacs 
from copying corrupted/truncated checkpoint files to _prev.cpt . I presume that 
one could write a magic number to the end of the .cpt file and test that it 
exists prior to moving .cpt to _prev.cpt , but perhaps I misunderstand the 
problem. If needs be, perhaps mdrun could call gmxcheck, since that tool seems 
to detect the corruption/truncation. If it's done every 30 minutes, it 
shouldn't affect the performance.

Thank you for any advice,
Chris.
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[gmx-users] Hydrophobic contact cut-off

2013-03-26 Thread Christopher Neale
The standard approach in cases like this, assuming that you have some contacts 
at some point in your trajectory, is to use your trajectory to construct a 
radial distribution function (RDF) and then to define a "contact" as any 
interaction up to the minimum following the first maximum of the RDF. This way, 
your cutoff will depend on your definition for contact evaluation (any atom 
pair, heavy atom pair, side chain center of mass, etc).

Chris.

-- original message --

Sorry for an off-topic question..

What is the distance cut-off considered for
hydrophobic contact in protein?
Some paper states 4-8Ang, while some other
considers only till 5Ang. It is reported that this
is a long range interaction.

Any information clarifying this doubt will be very
useful.

Thank you
Kavya
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Re: [gmx-users] chiller failure leads to truncated .cpt and _prev.cpt files using gromacs 4.6.1

2013-03-26 Thread Matthew Zwier
Dear Chris,

While it's always possible that GROMACS can be improved (or debugged), this
smells more like a system-level problem. The corrupt checkpoint files are
precisely 1MiB or 2MiB, which suggests strongly either 1) GROMACS was in
the middle of a buffer flush when it was killed (but the filesystem did
everything right; it was just sent incomplete data), or 2) the filesystem
itself wrote a truncated file (but GROMACS wrote it successfully, the data
was buffered, and GROMACS went on its merry way).

#1 could happen, for example, if GROMACS was killed with SIGKILL while
copying .cpt to _prev.cpt -- if GROMACS even copies, rather than renames --
its checkpoint files. #2 could happen in any number of ways, depending on
precisely how your disks, filesystems, and network filesystems are all
configured (for example, if a RAID array goes down hard with per-drive
writeback caches enabled, or your NFS system is soft-mounted and either
client or server goes down). With the sizes of the truncated checkpoint
files being very convenient numbers, my money is on #2.

Have you contacted your sysadmins to report this? They may be able to take
some steps to try to prevent this, and (if this is indeed a system problem)
doing so would provide all their users an increased measure of safety for
their data.

Cheers,
MZ


On Tue, Mar 26, 2013 at 10:04 PM, Christopher Neale <
chris.ne...@mail.utoronto.ca> wrote:

> Dear Users:
>
> A cluster that I use went down today with a chiller failure. I lost all 16
> jobs (running gromacs 4.6.1). For 13 of these jobs, not only is the .cpt
> file truncated, but also the _prev.cpt file is truncated, meaning that I am
> going to have to go back through the files, extract a frame, make a new
> .tpr file (using a new, custom .mdp file to get the timestamp right),
> restart the runs, and then later join the trajectory data fragments.
>
> I have experienced this a number of times over the years with different
> versions of gromacs (see, for example,
> http://redmine.gromacs.org/issues/790 ) and wonder if anybody else has
> experienced this?
>
> Also, does anybody have some advice on how to handle this? For now, my
> idea is to run a script in the background to periodically check the .cpt
> file and make a copy if it is not corrupted/truncated so that I can always
> restart.
>
> If it is useful information, both the .cpt and the _prev.cpt files have
> the same size and timestamp, but are smaller than non-corrupted .cpt files.
> E.g.:
>
> $ ls -ltr --full-time *cpt
> -rw-r- 1 cneale cneale 1963536 2013-03-22 17:18:04.0 -0700
> md2d_prev.cpt
> -rw-r- 1 cneale cneale 1963536 2013-03-22 17:18:04.0 -0700
> md2d.cpt
> -rw-r- 1 cneale cneale 1048576 2013-03-26 12:46:02.0 -0700
> md3.cpt
> -rw-r- 1 cneale cneale 1048576 2013-03-26 12:46:03.0 -0700
> md3_prev.cpt
>
> Where, above, md2d.cpt was from the last stage of my equilibration and
> md3.cpt was from my production.
>
> Here is another example from a different run with corruption:
>
> $ ls -ltr --full-time *cpt
> -rw-r- 1 cneale cneale 2209508 2013-03-21 08:24:33.0 -0700
> md2d_prev.cpt
> -rw-r- 1 cneale cneale 2209508 2013-03-21 08:24:33.0 -0700
> md2d.cpt
> -rw-r- 1 cneale cneale 2097152 2013-03-26 12:46:01.0 -0700
> md3_prev.cpt
> -rw-r- 1 cneale cneale 2097152 2013-03-26 12:46:01.0 -0700
> md3.cpt
>
> I detect corruption/truncation in the .cpt file like this:
> $ gmxcheck  -f md3.cpt
> Fatal error:
> Checkpoint file corrupted/truncated, or maybe you are out of disk space?
> For more information and tips for troubleshooting, please check the GROMACS
> website at http://www.gromacs.org/Documentation/Errors
>
> Also, I confirmed the problem by trying to run mdrun:
>
> $ mdrun -nt 1 -deffnm md3  -cpi md3.cpt -nsteps 50
> Fatal error:
> Checkpoint file corrupted/truncated, or maybe you are out of disk space?
> For more information and tips for troubleshooting, please check the GROMACS
> website at http://www.gromacs.org/Documentation/Errors
>
> (and I get the same thing using md3_prev.cpt)
>
> I am not out of disk space, but probably some type of condition like that
> existed when the chiller failed and the system went down:
> $ df -h .
> FilesystemSize  Used Avail Use% Mounted on
>   342T   57T  281T  17% /global/scratch
>
> Nor am I out of quota (although I have no command to show that here).
>
> There is no corruption of .edr, .trr, or .xtc files
>
> The .log files end like this:
>
> Writing checkpoint, step 194008250 at Tue Mar 26 10:49:31 2013
> Writing checkpoint, step 194932330 at Tue Mar 26 11:49:31 2013
>Step   Time Lambda
>   195757661   391515.322000.0
> Writing checkpoint, step 195757661 at Tue Mar 26 12:46:02 2013
>
> I am motivated to help solve this problem, but have no idea how to stop
> gromacs from copying corrupted/truncated checkpoint files to _prev.cpt . 

[gmx-users] chiller failure leads to truncated .cpt and _prev.cpt files using gromacs 4.6.1

2013-03-26 Thread Christopher Neale
Dear Matthew:

Thank you for noticing the file size. This is a very good lead. 
I had not noticed that this was special. Indeed, here is the complete listing 
for truncated/corrupt .cpt files:

-rw-r- 1 cneale cneale 1048576 Mar 26 18:53 md3.cpt
-rw-r- 1 cneale cneale 1048576 Mar 26 18:54 md3.cpt
-rw-r- 1 cneale cneale 1048576 Mar 26 18:54 md3.cpt
-rw-r- 1 cneale cneale 1048576 Mar 26 18:54 md3.cpt
-rw-r- 1 cneale cneale 1048576 Mar 26 18:50 md3.cpt
-rw-r- 1 cneale cneale 1048576 Mar 26 18:50 md3.cpt
-rw-r- 1 cneale cneale 1048576 Mar 26 18:50 md3.cpt
-rw-r- 1 cneale cneale 1048576 Mar 26 18:51 md3.cpt
-rw-r- 1 cneale cneale 1048576 Mar 26 18:51 md3.cpt
-rw-r- 1 cneale cneale 2097152 Mar 26 18:52 md3.cpt
-rw-r- 1 cneale cneale 2097152 Mar 26 18:52 md3.cpt
-rw-r- 1 cneale cneale 2097152 Mar 26 18:52 md3.cpt
-rw-r- 1 cneale cneale 2097152 Mar 26 18:52 md3.cpt

I will contact my sysadmins and let them know about your suggestions.

Nevertheless, I respectfully reject the idea that there is really nothing that 
can be done about this inside
gromacs. About 6 years ago, I worked on a cluster with massive sporadic NSF 
delays. The only solution to 
automate runs on that machine was to, for example, use sed to create a .mdp 
from a template .mdp file, which had ;;;EOF as the last line and then to poll 
the created mdp file for ;;;EOF until it existed prior to running
grompp (at the time I was using mdrun -sort and desorting with an in-house 
script prior to domain 
decomposition, so I had to stop/start gromacs every coupld of hours). This is 
not to say that such things are 
ideal, but I think  gromacs would be all the better if it was able to avoid 
with problems like this regardless of 
the cluster setup.

Please note that, over the years, I have seen this on 4 different clusters 
(albeit with different versions of 
gromacs), but that is to say that it's not just one setup that is to blame.

Matthew, please don't take my comments the wrong way. I deeply appreciate your 
help. I just want to put it
out there that I believe that gromacs would be better if it didn't overwrite 
good .cpt files with truncated/corrupt
.cpt files ever, even if the cluster catches on fire or the earth's magnetic 
field reverses, etc. 
Also, I suspect that sysadmins don't have a lot of time to test their clusters 
for graceful exit upon chiller failure 
conditions, so a super-careful regime of .cpt update will always be useful.

Thank you again for your help, I'll take it to my sysadmins, who are very good 
and may be able to remedy 
this on their cluster, but who knows what cluster I will be using in 5 years.

Again, thank you for your assistance, it is very useful,
Chris.

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Dear Chris,

While it's always possible that GROMACS can be improved (or debugged), this
smells more like a system-level problem. The corrupt checkpoint files are
precisely 1MiB or 2MiB, which suggests strongly either 1) GROMACS was in
the middle of a buffer flush when it was killed (but the filesystem did
everything right; it was just sent incomplete data), or 2) the filesystem
itself wrote a truncated file (but GROMACS wrote it successfully, the data
was buffered, and GROMACS went on its merry way).

#1 could happen, for example, if GROMACS was killed with SIGKILL while
copying .cpt to _prev.cpt -- if GROMACS even copies, rather than renames --
its checkpoint files. #2 could happen in any number of ways, depending on
precisely how your disks, filesystems, and network filesystems are all
configured (for example, if a RAID array goes down hard with per-drive
writeback caches enabled, or your NFS system is soft-mounted and either
client or server goes down). With the sizes of the truncated checkpoint
files being very convenient numbers, my money is on #2.

Have you contacted your sysadmins to report this? They may be able to take
some steps to try to prevent this, and (if this is indeed a system problem)
doing so would provide all their users an increased measure of safety for
their data.

Cheers,
MZ

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[gmx-users] (no subject)

2013-03-26 Thread Sathish Kumar
   Hai
  I have done 10ns simulation for a protein to this i want to
calculate DCCM map.can you please suggest me how to calculate this map.

Thank You.
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[gmx-users] Nose-hoover chains thermostat

2013-03-26 Thread James Starlight
Dear Gromacs Users!


Could someone provide me with the tutorial example with the algoritm
of ussing Nose-Hover chains thermostat. In particular It's not quite
understood for me how I should define number of chains in the mdp file
and how that number would affect on simulation performance (E.g In
literatute I found that infinite chain number should give me maximum
degree of ergodicity for my trajectory assuming modelling in
cannonical ensemble).


James
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[gmx-users] Simulation membrane proteins in amber99 force field.

2013-03-26 Thread James Starlight
Dear Gromacs users!

I'd like to perform MD simulation of the membrane protein parametrized
in Amber99sb force field. Could you tell me what cut-off patterns
should I use for such simulation ?


James
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[gmx-users] calculating LJ

2013-03-26 Thread 라지브간디
Hello gmx,


I have LJ parameter value of C (epsilon = 0.0262 kcal/mol,   sigma = 3.83) O 
(epsilon = 0.1591. sigma = 3.12) in charmm format and wants to use them in 
gromos43a1 or charmm27 force field in gromacs. 


Could you tell me how do i convert them to gromacs format? Any examples plz.


Thanks in advance.






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