Re: [gmx-users] Improper dihedrals on planar rings

2009-10-15 Thread Justin A. Lemkul



Pablo Englebienne wrote:

Hi all,

I have a question about the setting of improper dihedrals. I have a 
pyrimidinone I want to use with the G53a5 force field, but I can't get 
the ring to stay flat.


First question is: do all atoms in the planar ring need to have 3 
subsituents? I.e., should an explicit atom of type HC be present on the 
CHs within the ring, or could they be united atoms (e.g., non-bonded 
type CR1)?




There should be explicit HC.  See, for example, the .rtp entry for PHE.

Second question: how many parameters are required to keep the ring 
planar? I initially though that each bond within the ring should have an 
improper torsion defined, with the bonds in the J-K atoms in the 
torsion. In addition, every center bound to 3 other atoms (e.g., C=O, 
N-H) needs an additional term, with the central atom as atom I. If all 
atoms have 3 substituents, this would mean 6 bonds + 6 centers = 12 
improper torsions. Is that the minimum number of improper torsions 
required to keep a 6-membered ring flat? What about a 6-membered ring 
represented with united atoms?




Refer to manual section 4.2.11 and Figure 4.8.  You can again also refer to the 
PHE .rtp entry for an example of implementation.  There are indeed multiple 
impropers to define for each planar center, corresponding to the types shown in 
the left and center panels of Figure 4.8.


I suppose it would be possible to define impropers for a united-atom 6-membered 
aromatic ring (Figure 4.8, left), but this representation would be inconsistent 
with the force field you wish to use.  I am unsure why CR1 exists in 53a5; it 
looks like it is used in a couple of cofactors, but in all the aromatic amino 
acids, nucleotides, and heme, explicit HC are included on the aromatic rings.


-Justin


Thanks for reading so far (and many thanks for replying!).

Regards,

Pablo



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ICTAS Doctoral Scholar
Department of Biochemistry
Virginia Tech
Blacksburg, VA
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[gmx-users] Improper dihedrals on planar rings

2009-10-15 Thread Pablo Englebienne

Hi all,

I have a question about the setting of improper dihedrals. I have a 
pyrimidinone I want to use with the G53a5 force field, but I can't get 
the ring to stay flat.


First question is: do all atoms in the planar ring need to have 3 
subsituents? I.e., should an explicit atom of type HC be present on the 
CHs within the ring, or could they be united atoms (e.g., non-bonded 
type CR1)?


Second question: how many parameters are required to keep the ring 
planar? I initially though that each bond within the ring should have an 
improper torsion defined, with the bonds in the J-K atoms in the 
torsion. In addition, every center bound to 3 other atoms (e.g., C=O, 
N-H) needs an additional term, with the central atom as atom I. If all 
atoms have 3 substituents, this would mean 6 bonds + 6 centers = 12 
improper torsions. Is that the minimum number of improper torsions 
required to keep a 6-membered ring flat? What about a 6-membered ring 
represented with united atoms?


Thanks for reading so far (and many thanks for replying!).

Regards,

Pablo

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Institute of Complex Molecular Systems (ICMS)
Eindhoven University of Technology, TU/e
PO Box 513, HG -1.26
5600 MB Eindhoven, The Netherlands
Tel +31 40 247 5349

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