[gmx-users] topology files for ligands in MD Simulation under OPLS AA force field

2011-02-24 Thread mircial

Dear All:

I am using GROMACS package to do molecular dynamics simulations under  
OPLS_AA force field. I encounter some problems when preparing the  
topology files of small molecules (ligands).My questions are as follows:


1, how to chose the atom type of each atom from the ligands?

2, how to define the charges of each atom? I know that, when the atom  
type is defined, there will be a corresponding charge to this atom  
type. Does it safe to use this charge in the simulations on the  
ligands (since these charges are designed for amino acids)?


3,When the atom type and the charge of atom are defined, how to  
prepare the file in the GROMACS format? Does there easier method to  
prepare such files than manually?


Thank you very much for your time and your kindness. I really  
appreciate if any one can share their experience in preparing the  
topology files for ligands used under OPLS_AA force field and GROMACS  
package.


Sincerely Yours

Ruo-Xu Gu


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Re: [gmx-users] topology files for ligands in MD Simulation under OPLS AA force field

2011-02-24 Thread Justin A. Lemkul



mirc...@sjtu.edu.cn wrote:

Dear All:

I am using GROMACS package to do molecular dynamics simulations under 
OPLS_AA force field. I encounter some problems when preparing the 
topology files of small molecules (ligands).My questions are as follows:


1, how to chose the atom type of each atom from the ligands?

2, how to define the charges of each atom? I know that, when the atom 
type is defined, there will be a corresponding charge to this atom type. 
Does it safe to use this charge in the simulations on the ligands (since 
these charges are designed for amino acids)?




Proper parameterization is a difficult task.  See, for instance:

http://www.gromacs.org/Documentation/How-tos/Parameterization

3,When the atom type and the charge of atom are defined, how to prepare 
the file in the GROMACS format? Does there easier method to prepare such 
files than manually?




There is at least one script (topolgen.pl) in the User Contributions section of 
the Gromacs site, but it is not terribly intelligent and the resulting topology 
should not be viewed as something that you should use without proper validation.


http://www.gromacs.org/Downloads/User_contributions/Other_software

Otherwise, break out Chapter 5 of the manual (something you should probably do 
anyway) and your favorite text editor.


-Justin

Thank you very much for your time and your kindness. I really appreciate 
if any one can share their experience in preparing the topology files 
for ligands used under OPLS_AA force field and GROMACS package.


Sincerely Yours

Ruo-Xu Gu




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Department of Biochemistry
Virginia Tech
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[gmx-users] topology files for ligands in MD Simulation under OPLS AA force field

2011-02-24 Thread Michael Brunsteiner

mircial at sjtu.edu.cn mircial at sjtu.edu.cn wrote

 I am using GROMACS package to do molecular dynamics
 simulations under OPLS_AA force field. I encounter
 some problems when preparing the topology files
 of small molecules (ligands).My questions are as follows: 
 1, how to chose the atom type of each atom from the ligands? 
amber + GAFF would be easier, here the ligand parameterization
is pretty straight forward (there's probably a HOWTO)

with OPLS you want to work with homology, and if you don't need
any high throughput you can do it manually ... look up 
groups in amino acids that are similar to your the components
of your ligands, and choose the atomtypes accordingly.

 2, how to define the charges of each atom? I know that, when
 the atom type is defined, there will be a corresponding charge
 to this atom type. Does it safe to use this charge in the
 simulations on the ligands (since these charges are designed
 for amino acids)?

yes, OPLS was mostly used for peptides, but AFAIK, the
original parameterization in Jorgensens group started with generic
organic molecules, there's certainly papers from this group that
present parameters for non-peptide molecules, e.g., various
hetero cycles ... (I am not sure whether the gmx topology folder
only contains the part of OPLS relevant for peptides, or all of it,
if not ask someone from the Jorgenson group, they might give you
the original parameter files)
However, if you have some generic organic molecules and assign
OPLS atom types there is no guarantee that the charges add up to
zero (for a neutral molecule) ... what i did before, with
reasonable success, is combine EPSD (SCF or AM1BCC) charges with
OPLS parameters...

In any case, as has been pointed out before many times in this list
mixing different FFs, or using ad-hoc values for some parameters, is 
dangerous, and you really want to test your molecules before using 
them in any extensive calculations. 
A good start might be to compare structures that were minimized
with your FF to the same structure minimized at the DFT or MP2 level
(HF-SCF might do as well depending on the molecule) ... but that's
probably not enough ...

 3,When the atom type and the charge of atom are defined,
 how to prepare the file in the GROMACS format? Does there easier
 method to prepare such files than manually? 
As for the bonded interactions, in some cases pdb2gmx and
grompp can figure them out by themselves. You'd assign atom- 
(thereby bond-) types, and the bonds, then make a new entry
in the rtp file, including only the atoms and bonds sections. you 
choose a new 3 letter residue name, and starting from a PDB
file of the ligand (with this residue name, and the same atom order
and the same atom names as in the rtp entry) use pdb2gmx/grompp.
However often enough, especially for proper and improper dihedrals
you have to define them manually (again by anlogy) 
for anything but the simplest molecules its a painstaking task ...
so you either take the time, or you use amber (or you talk to 
Schrodinger, they will have some script for assigning OPLS parameters
but that probably wont work with Gromacs)

good luck!
mic


  
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