Re: Opinions on GSInet DSL and/or Actiontec DSL modem/router products
I've used GSInet DSL since it became available (about 3 years, IIRC). I've had various speeds from 128k to 1.5Mbps. Pros: * Service has been reliable. I don't recollect any interruptions at all. * Static IP. * No restrictions on any traffic. * Never had any problems with DSL modem. (Note: I don't have a router/modem, just modem.) * The DSL modem I have appears transparent to me. I plug in any piece of equipment and set IP and I'm done. (I used to have a cable modem and had to jump through hoops to change network cards.) * No client software or special configuration. Cons: * No reverse DNS for IP numbers. I've asked. They've never understood the question. * No DHCP. You have to manually set IP, gateway, DNS. * DNS occaisionally non-responsive. It stops responding for a few minutes or is just slow. Happens once or twice a month. * When I had a 1.5Mbps, I noticed little appreciable difference from 256Kbps. That could partly have been external to them, of course. They weren't able to tell me what their upstream connection was when I asked. * They aren't particularly technical. Other than reverse DNS, I've never really asked them much though. I don't use their POP or SMTP servers, so I can't comment on that. Their news server expires pretty quickly and occaisionally stops responding for 10-15 minutes. I would recommend GSInet. plug I will recommend MV Communications (www.mv.net or 629-) first, if it is available. I've worked with them for years and will always push them. They have always been a joy to work with. Technically knowledgable, very accomodating. /plug -- Dan Jenkins ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Rastech Inc., Bedford, NH, USA --- 1-603-624-7272 *** Technical Support for over a Quarter Century ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
Re: Opinions on GSInet DSL and/or Actiontec DSL modem/router products
Dan Jenkins wrote: [...] plug I will recommend MV Communications (www.mv.net or 629-) first, if it is available. I've worked with them for years and will always push them. They have always been a joy to work with. Technically knowledgable, very accomodating. /plug I also recommend MV Communications, for the same reasons: joy to work with, astute. I had to dump a non-performing ISP in December, and MV went more than an extra mile to help me get disentangled from what had become a real mess, and to rescue my domain from the Network Solutions junta. It cost them more time than they'll be able to make up from the modest fees they charge. They also appear to be constantly working on and improving their service. I've seen several significant upgrades since I've been with them. (Plug? It's the least we can do. If anyone has a choice between Comcruft and MV, it isn't a choice.) -Bill ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
Re: Opinions on GSInet DSL and/or Actiontec DSL modem/router products
Dan Jenkins wrote: Cons: * No reverse DNS for IP numbers. I've asked. They've never understood the question. What are the implications of this? I will recommend MV Communications (www.mv.net or 629-) first, if it is available. Unfortunately, they don't list Dunbarton, probably because we have an independent phone company. Thanks, Larry ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
RE: Opinions on GSInet DSL and/or Actiontec DSL modem/router products
Dan Jenkins wrote: Cons: * No reverse DNS for IP numbers. I've asked. They've never understood the question. What are the implications of this? Some FTP sites will not let you connect, some web sites won't let you into secure information.. For some reason they use the DNS name as proof of your location. I will recommend MV Communications (www.mv.net or 629-) first, if it is available. Unfortunately, they don't list Dunbarton, probably because we have an independent phone company. UGH, Dunbarton has the WORST phone company.. the only place I know of that makes a call to the next town (Goffstown, also where the kids go to school) is long distance. They also put the phone lines in such a place on the poll that Dunbarton can't get cable. If the cable lines go above the phone lines they are to close to the power lines, if they put the cable lines below the phone lines then they are to low on the polls (trucks could hit them). I've VERY suprised you can even get DSL in Dunbarton ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
Re: Opinions on GSInet DSL and/or Actiontec DSL modem/router products
Travis, Travis Roy wrote: Dan Jenkins wrote: Cons: * No reverse DNS for IP numbers. I've asked. They've never understood the question. What are the implications of this? Some FTP sites will not let you connect, some web sites won't let you into secure information.. For some reason they use the DNS name as proof of your location. Can you give me some example sites? I will then follow up with them to show them the problem it causes. UGH, Dunbarton has the WORST phone company.. the only place I know of that makes a call to the next town (Goffstown, also where the kids go to school) is long distance. I guess it doesn't bother me since my hometown in CT had the same situation, which has since changed. I know there was a push in Dunbarton to make Goffstown toll-free, but I think it would have almost doubled the cost of residential service. I know they have various regional plans were you pay a higher rate and get a larger toll-free area, so that is probably what families with talkitive teens do. They also put the phone lines in such a place on the poll that Dunbarton can't get cable. If the cable lines go above the phone lines they are to close to the power lines, if they put the cable lines below the phone lines then they are to low on the polls (trucks could hit them). I've never heard this as reason. The reason I've always heard for Dunbarton not having cable is that the Board of Selectmen have always insisted that the whole town must be wired, not just the high density section near Goffstown and Weare. Since a good part of town has 300 foot lot frontage requirements, no cable company has found it finacially feasable. Now that a lot of people have dishes, I doubt we'll ever have cable. I've VERY suprised you can even get DSL in Dunbarton It's one independent phone company teaming up with another (Granite State which owns GSInet). And since they've run fiber to remote stations, one is at the end of my road, most if not all of Dunbarton can get DSL. Another side benefit of a small independent phone company is that once I decide to get DSL, they'll be out the next day to hook it up. How quickly does Verizon move?! Larry ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
RE: Opinions on GSInet DSL and/or Actiontec DSL modem/router products
Can you give me some example sites? I will then follow up with them to show them the problem it causes. Sorry no, I had a problem back when I used M1 and I lost my reverse, it took me MONTHS to get them to fix it, but I don't remember the site that was giving me trouble. ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
Video Conferencing
Hi All, Has anyone done any video conference work on Linux? My company purchased several Polycom systems for offices all over the world. However, only one of them allows for multiple (4) connections. I was wondering if there is a video conferencing server for Linux that would allow mulitple connections to tie more people together. Unfortunately, I know little to nothing about video conferencing technologies. I have found Gatekeepers, H.323 proxies, and a few other things, but I don't know what any of them are, and the docs are scarce. Any pointers? TIA, Kenny -- Tact is just *not* saying true stuff -- Cordelia Chase Kenneth E. Lussier Sr. Systems Administrator Zuken, USA PGP KeyID CB254DD0 http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=getsearch=0xCB254DD0 ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
Re: The lack of need for Caps-Lock (was laptop keyboard replacement)
This has to be the all-time most inane discussion to ever occur on this list. Which is saying something. :-) On Thu, 31 Jul 2003, at 4:16pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My preferences actually come from spending a lot of time at a model 35 teletype. I think that has more to do with it then anything else. For example, the first computer that *I* spent a lot of time on was a Tandy 1000 SL. Although it was an 8088, its keyboard used an AT-style 101-key layout. My fingers are now permanently wired to expect the CTRL and ALT keys to the left and right of the spacebar. I also never learned to touch-type properly. I use a completely unique scheme I call accelerated hunt-and-peck. I basically type letters with my two index fingers, and use my thumbs and other fingers for other keys. I suspect if I actually used the real touch-type method, with all eight fingers centered on the home row, I would care more about having the CTRL key easily reached by my left pinky. I also don't use CAPS LOCK much, but as I have very little cause to ever type in all capitals, that does not mean anything. We now return to your regularly scheduled pointless drivel. Oh, wait. This *was* your regularly scheduled pointless drivel. :-) -- Ben Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] | The opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do | | not represent the views or policy of any other person or organization. | | All information is provided without warranty of any kind. | ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
Re: I need suggestions as to where to get a replacement laptopkeyboard
On Thu, 31 Jul 2003, at 3:16pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... Only $239 for the essential ... That's still WAY too much money for a few peices of injection-molded plastic. A large factory's central machine broke down one day. All work in the factory came to a halt. They of course immediately called in a repairman. The repairman arrives quickly. He checks a few dials, and examines the positions of several large gears and levers. He then opens up a panel, exposing a valve handle, and turns the handle one-and-three-quarters turns to the left. The machine immediately resumes operations. The repairman hands the plant manager a bill for $505. Five-hundred and five dollars!?! For adjusting a valve?? exclaims the manager. The repairman replies, No. For that, five dollars. For knowing to adjust it, five hundred dollars. -- Ben Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] | The opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do | | not represent the views or policy of any other person or organization. | | All information is provided without warranty of any kind. | ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
Re: Video Conferencing
Kenneth E. Lussier [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Has anyone done any video conference work on Linux? My company purchased several Polycom systems for offices all over the world. However, only one of them allows for multiple (4) connections. I was wondering if there is a video conferencing server for Linux that would allow mulitple connections to tie more people together. Unfortunately, I know little to nothing about video conferencing technologies. I have found Gatekeepers, H.323 proxies, and a few other things, but I don't know what any of them are, and the docs are scarce. Any pointers? What you probably want is a H.323 Multiple Call Unit (MCU). I'd recommend checking out the stuff at http://www.openh323.org/ . Regards, --kevin -- Kevin D. Clark / Cetacean Networks / Portsmouth, N.H. (USA) cetaceannetworks.com!kclark (GnuPG ID: B280F24E) alumni.unh.edu!kdc ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
Re: Video Conferencing
On Fri, 2003-08-01 at 10:25, Kevin D. Clark wrote: I'd recommend checking out the stuff at http://www.openh323.org/ . A-HA! Thanks, Kevin. I was looking at their site, trying to figure out what was what. I'm going to download all of this stuff and see if I can get some of it to work. To make the long story short, H.323 is the standard that says 'this is how it's all done'. It's more then a protocol. Basically, here's the 'short' version. Set up an H.323 Gatekeeper. This software serves as kind of the directory service for things like address books, etc. When 'signing in', you'd sign in to the gatekeeper. When you wanted to make a call, the client would send a message to the gatekeeper saying 'I wanna call Ken', and the gatekeeper would 'set up' the call and provide the data to both client so they could connect. Mess around with any H.323 compliant clients. ANY client that is H.323 compliant, including netmeeting, will be able to use the above installed gatekeeper. Now, TECHNICALLY the gatekeeper isnt REQUIRED, however. I would STONGLY advise to use one. It makes administration and use MUCH easier, and would allow controls to be put in place.. A REALLY good 'What is H.323' can be found here: http://www.iec.org/online/tutorials/h323/index.html Note that H.323 isnt the only game out there. SIP provides virtually the same. H.323 is much better in a smaller environment, while SIP is more, hrm.. 'Large User Base' driven. However, the differences between H.323 and SIP are more in how they figure out who to call, request calls, setup things, etc.. In the end, call quality and the such is much more dependant on the codec and protocol used to carry the call.. ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
Re: I need suggestions as to where to get a replacement laptopkeyboard
On Fri, 2003-08-01 at 09:40, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Five-hundred and five dollars!?! For adjusting a valve?? exclaims the manager. Once upon a time a company charged too much for a keyboard. Why? Because they could. I guess you can look at it both ways (not meaning to be too negative...) ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
Re: Video Conferencing
On Fri, 2003-08-01 at 14:43, Thomas Charron wrote: On Fri, 2003-08-01 at 10:25, Kevin D. Clark wrote: I'd recommend checking out the stuff at http://www.openh323.org/ . A-HA! Thanks, Kevin. I was looking at their site, trying to figure out what was what. I'm going to download all of this stuff and see if I can get some of it to work. Set up an H.323 Gatekeeper. This software serves as kind of the directory service for things like address books, etc. When 'signing in', you'd sign in to the gatekeeper. When you wanted to make a call, the client would send a message to the gatekeeper saying 'I wanna call Ken', and the gatekeeper would 'set up' the call and provide the data to both client so they could connect. So the gatekeeper is what does all of the connection handling, so to speak. Is the MCU part of the gatekeeper? This is where the documentation is lacking. There seem to be quite a few componants, no real explaination for what they are and what they do. They assume that if you're reading the doc, then you already know what you're doing. Bad assumption in my case ;-) Mess around with any H.323 compliant clients. ANY client that is H.323 compliant, including netmeeting, will be able to use the above installed gatekeeper. Now, TECHNICALLY the gatekeeper isnt REQUIRED, however. I would STONGLY advise to use one. It makes administration and use MUCH easier, and would allow controls to be put in place.. A REALLY good 'What is H.323' can be found here: http://www.iec.org/online/tutorials/h323/index.html Thanks for the linkage. I'll start reading Note that H.323 isnt the only game out there. SIP provides virtually the same. H.323 is much better in a smaller environment, while SIP is more, hrm.. 'Large User Base' driven. However, the differences between H.323 and SIP are more in how they figure out who to call, request calls, setup things, etc.. In the end, call quality and the such is much more dependant on the codec and protocol used to carry the call.. I thought that SIP was more used in the VoIP world. H.323 seems to be more standard in that most of the commercial equipment uses it, and most of the software packages (netmeeting, gnomemeeting, etc.) use it as well, allowing one to connect a small web cam up to a larger teleconferencing system. Thanks, Kenny ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss -- Tact is just *not* saying true stuff -- Cordelia Chase Kenneth E. Lussier Sr. Systems Administrator Zuken, USA PGP KeyID CB254DD0 http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=getsearch=0xCB254DD0 ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
videoconferencing, oops
sorry all, meant to send this to the list. -tom --- Forwarded Message To: Kenneth E. Lussier [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Video Conferencing In-Reply-To: Your message of 01 Aug 2003 09:17:11 EDT. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2003 09:42:56 -0400 From: Tom Fogal [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi All, Has anyone done any video conference work on Linux? My company purchased several Polycom systems for offices all over the world. However, only one of them allows for multiple (4) connections. I was wondering if there is a video conferencing server for Linux that would allow mulitple connections to tie more people together. Unfortunately, I know little to nothing about video conferencing technologies. I have found Gatekeepers, H.323 proxies, and a few other things, but I don't know what any of them are, and the docs are scarce. Any pointers? I used to work at a company called CUseeMe, who made videoconferencing software. Unfortunately, all client work was windows based. H.323 is a fairly standard protocol for videoconferencing. the pro is that its common enough to be supported by a lot of software, including windows netmeeting, which of course comes with every windows install around. the con, which may have even been fixed by now (its been a few years :), was that you only got one video window at a time. the window would switch to whoever was talking, which, IMHO was not the greatest implementation i've seen. CUseeMe originally acquired the code from cornel university, and then improved upon it. For this reason and others, the protocol is semi-open enough; enough so that a client or two was written totally independent of the company. I believe the original cornell client (1.0) is still available, and I also remember seeing another open source client on FM, although I don't know how interoperable it was. I also recall that the non-company clients were not as feature-full as the 'official' one. If you found a workable linux client for the CU protocol, I would highly recommend that. Their server software (Meeting Point Conference Server? no, I think they changed the name to CU Conference Server) is top-notch, and runs on linux. It supports a lot of connections (I remember the number 64 for some reason) and also does H.323, now that I think of it. So you could just get that server and still use the H.323 client software you've already found. OTOH, there should be more H.323 clients out there, and I would imagine they are better developed than the CU clients. HTH, - -tom --- End of Forwarded Message ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
Re: Video Conferencing
So the gatekeeper is what does all of the connection handling, so to speak. Is the MCU part of the gatekeeper? This is where the documentation is lacking. There seem to be quite a few componants, no real explaination for what they are and what they do. They assume that if you're reading the doc, then you already know what you're doing. Bad assumption in my case ;-) The MCU is the conferencing component. The gatekeeper is kinda like an LDAP server.. Kinda is VERY Kinda, it's simply a way to give you a general idea. It's for handling the translations of 'Kenny' to port xyz at comp1.g2.b3.mycompany.com. MCU is kinda like a, umm. Multiplexer.. And yea, I never really noticed it, but their docs are non existant.. I thought that SIP was more used in the VoIP world. H.323 seems to be more standard in that most of the commercial equipment uses it, and most of the software packages (netmeeting, gnomemeeting, etc.) use it as well, allowing one to connect a small web cam up to a larger teleconferencing system. Yes, SIP has taken off more in the voice side of things. But in the end, they're the same thing, just using a different codec. ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
Re: Mouse swapping on a laptop
Bill Freeman wrote: Derek Martin writes: While again, I didn't spend much time on it, the problem with using a PS/2 mouse seems to be that Linux sees that and the internal mouse device as the same logical device (/dev/psaux), with the same configuration. However, obviously that's not true in reality. I know of no way to handle two different configurations on the same device... I suspect that this is actually a BIOS issue. Probably the same hardware is used to interface the internal mouse and the PS/2 socket, with a wee bit of steering logic. If I'm correct, at boot time the BIOS probes for a mouse with the steering set for the external connector, and if it finds none, flips the switch, and initializes the internal mouse. So either mouse gets talked to by the Linux kernel via the same hardware register set, and /dev/psaux is, in fact, totally correct for both. If the switching control bit is readable, you could conceivably as a module to read it, and adjust the mouse configuration accordingly. That would be chip set, and maybe even brand/model specific, however. Another hope would be for the BIOS to provide a callback interface to query the mouse choice. Bill Well in my case I can use both the external mouse and the touchpad at the same time. So clearly the BIOS is not switching one or the other into place. The idea of plugging the external mouse into the USB port is worth investigating though since this particular mouse can use either USB or PS/2 port. -- Dan Coutu Managing Director Snowy Owl Internet Consulting, LLC http://www.snowy-owl.com/ ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
Re: Mouse swapping on a laptop
On Fri, Aug 01, 2003 at 02:21:07PM -0400, Dan Coutu wrote: Bill Freeman wrote: Derek Martin writes: While again, I didn't spend much time on it, the problem with using a PS/2 mouse seems to be that Linux sees that and the internal mouse device as the same logical device (/dev/psaux), with the same configuration. However, obviously that's not true in reality. I know of no way to handle two different configurations on the same device... I suspect that this is actually a BIOS issue. Probably the same hardware is used to interface the internal mouse and the PS/2 socket, with a wee bit of steering logic. If I'm correct, at boot time the BIOS probes for a mouse with the steering set for the external connector, and if it finds none, flips the switch, and initializes the internal mouse. So either mouse gets talked to by the Linux kernel via the same hardware register set, and /dev/psaux is, in fact, totally correct for both. If the switching control bit is readable, you could conceivably as a module to read it, and adjust the mouse configuration accordingly. That would be chip set, and maybe even brand/model specific, however. Another hope would be for the BIOS to provide a callback interface to query the mouse choice. Bill Well in my case I can use both the external mouse and the touchpad at the same time. So clearly the BIOS is not switching one or the other into place. The idea of plugging the external mouse into the USB port is worth investigating though since this particular mouse can use either USB or PS/2 port. Remember the PS/2 port is not hot-swap safe. Most modern machines have fuses to prevent the circuits shorting out, but it can have consequences like what you're seeing. Using the USB port will allow you to plug and unplug the mouse at will and be able to use the wheel. There's a change or two you would have to make to your X configuration to get it to work. -Mark pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: amanda defs for an hp c1533a 4/8gb dds2 dat tape?
On Fri, 2003-08-01 at 14:54, Rodent of Unusual Size wrote: as the subject says, i want to set up amanda to back things up to an hp c1533a 4/8gb dat drive (the one in the system i bought from jacob towers of the trilug). has anyone any details or particulars for setting this up with amanda? The Amanda FAQ-O-Matic says: http://amanda.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/fom?_highlightWords=c1533afile=72 C-Ya, Kenny -- Tact is just *not* saying true stuff -- Cordelia Chase Kenneth E. Lussier Sr. Systems Administrator Zuken, USA PGP KeyID CB254DD0 http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=getsearch=0xCB254DD0 ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
Very odd problem - SSL, Virtual Interfaces, and Authorize.net
Okay this is extreamly strange but let me give it a shot to the list.. We have two sites (auth.signull.com and store.signull.com) they both have ssl certs for online payment via authorize.net. Now I set up auth.signull.com on the primary interface and store.signull.com on a virtual interface and set up IP based virtual hosting and all goes well, when you go to the IP or the name of either you get to the right page be it SSL or non SSL. Now, since putting them both up we started having problems when I did this and the problem is very odd. There's a script that sends somebody's credit card information to authorize.net and then that is suppose to check it and send the information back to our server via a POST so that we can generate a page to show the user what happened (if the card was accepted). Now this drove us up a wall because it wasn't working and it was timing out. We got error emails from authorize.net saying that it was a time out. We thought the script might be hanging or something but we didn't see anything in the logs about it. After doing a trafshow we started seeing the actual connection so we knew they were connecting. Then we started doing a tcpdump and had them do the transaction via normal http so we could see what was going on. They connected and seem to start some kind of handshaking but the apache server never responds. Now here's where it gets even stranger. Going to the page via IE, Mozilla, or even just telnetting to port 80 and issuing the POST that way works fine, no issues. Of course authorize.net says that they've been doing this for years and it's not their problem. I turn off the virtual interface and it works flawlessly, turn it back on, same problem. Anybody have any idea? ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
OT: seeking linux/windows tech, low hours, newington area
I am looking for a Linux and windows technician for low hours on-site work during business hours M-F, 9-5 in the Newington area. Rate is approx $50 depending on experience. Probably no more than 10 hours a month, flexible days. Simple maintenance on windows 98 (8 systems, 1 server, 1 router/firewall) peer to peer network and Linux router/firewall in a medical setting. No on call or off hours responsibilities. Not a lot of experience necessary, individuals welcome. If interested please email [EMAIL PROTECTED] with your information and to setup an interview. Sincerely, David Uhlman CTO 50km Inc. ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
