Re: now I did it ..
On Friday 18 March 2005 07:35 pm, Mike Medai wrote: > > Running the command results with: > > lrwxrwxrwx1 root root3 2005-03-15 17:59 /dev/cdrom > -> sr0 > Just for kicks, what is the output for this command then? ls -l /dev/sr0 /dev/scd0 And: groups Finally, what is your boot log looking like? That's /var/log/dmesg - you can attach it or something, because it'll probably be long. But it should show your CDs being detected and allow confirming that they are being setup properly. -N ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
Hosstraders, April 30th and May 1st, Hopkinton State Fair Grounds
Looks like Hosstraders is coming up in about six weeks. I understand
there's usually a Linux contingent there. What goes on there ("what
happens at Hosstraders stays at Hosstraders?"), what the attraction is
for non-hams. From the links below, it looks like there are some
computer parts vendors there.
I'm not far from the fairgrounds, and would be willing to help with
staging of materials, offering a parking space or two, or jury-rigging
a lightening-rod/WiFi antenna on the roof if needed. Anything I can do
to help?
http://www.hsfair.org/seasonal.htm
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Re: automount on debian help
On Fri, Mar 18, 2005 at 10:34:28PM -0500, Paul Lussier wrote: > Derek Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > ...which is precisely what I wanted to know! He seemed unsure which > > he was running... The command I gave was tailor-made to determine > > that, and revealed that he was running autofs, but not amd. > > > > There's no point in looking at amd stuff, if he's not using it. And > > it's important to know what's /supposed/ to be running, especially if > > it isn't. Which it wasn't... > > Right, but he could have had it installed, and not configured to > start, in which case, neither would have shown up in the rc3.d > directory. Which would have been very helpful to know, don't you think? =8^) -- Derek D. Martinhttp://www.pizzashack.org/ GPG Key ID: 0xDFBEAD02 -=-=-=-=- This message is posted from an invalid address. Replying to it will result in undeliverable mail. Sorry for the inconvenience. Thank the spammers. pgpVoYCqfhyth.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: now I did it ..
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If I eject and close with a music disk in, the icon changes to reflect that there is a music cd in the drive, but I still cannot access it through Konqueror or the terminal. Okay, I guess I wasn't clear enough: this is -expected behavior-. There is *NO WAY* to "access" an audio CD with Konqueror, Nautilus, or most any other file browser. But that is the rub .. previously using Konqueror I WAS able to access the music cd and browse it. I has a choice of looking at the tracks by name, by track file type, etc. As I recall, I had about nearly 6 different ways of "looking" at the CD. That was how I pulled down the .wav files off the CD and copied them to the harddrive. Then I got to thinking about it .. those are some huge files, so lets convert them over to .mp3 which makes the files smaller. As a result of my tinkering around I "broke" my system and I cannot perform tasks that I had been previously. Mike ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
Re: now I did it ..
On Sat, Mar 19, 2005 at 11:21:07AM -0500, Mike Medai wrote: > >Okay, I guess I wasn't clear enough: this is -expected behavior-. > >There is *NO WAY* to "access" an audio CD with Konqueror, Nautilus, or > >most any other file browser. > > But that is the rub .. previously using Konqueror I WAS able to access > the music cd and browse it. Verified. I'm not a KDE user, but I do have it installed... I fired up Konqueror, fed it the pseudo-URL "audiocd:/" which was mentioned earlier in this thread, and was shown a view of the CD which included the actual CDDA tracks, as well as a series of pseudo-folders which contain the tracks listed by name (presumably requiring the ability to connect to a CDDB database), and also MP3 and OGG files. Pretty neat, though I'd never actually use it, myself... It would seem that you have somehow caused your system to become misconfigured, though I guess you already figured that... =8^) My first and best guess is that your symlink from /dev/cdrom is wrong... Normally one doesn't use /dev/srX -- I've often thought it was unfortunate that this sort of nomenclature shows up in the kernel messages... Most likely (since you said you're on a 2.4 kernel) your CD was originally configured to use SCSI emulation. You can try this command to fix it: # ln -sf /dev/scd0 /dev/cdrom If I'm mistaken, and you're on a 2.6 kernel, then most likely this command would be better: # ln -sf /dev/hdc /dev/cdrom Note: the '#' represents your system prompt, and signifies you should run the command as root. You should not type the '#' character! =8^) -- Derek D. Martinhttp://www.pizzashack.org/ GPG Key ID: 0xDFBEAD02 -=-=-=-=- This message is posted from an invalid address. Replying to it will result in undeliverable mail. Sorry for the inconvenience. Thank the spammers. pgpaWDsiib8oq.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: now I did it ..
On Saturday 19 March 2005 10:33 am, you wrote: > >Just for kicks, what is the output for this command then? > >ls -l /dev/cdrom /dev/sr0 /dev/scd0 > lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 3 2005-03-15 17:59 /dev/cdrom-> sr0 > brw-r-1 root disk 11, 0 2003-09-23 13:59 /dev/scd0 > brw---1 mikemdisk 11, 0 2003-09-23 13:59 /dev/sr0 That's a bit odd there... I assume your username is mikem, but it's odd that the device would be owned by you if you didn't specifically set it that way - do you recall playing with these files' permissions before? Anyway, this ought to correct matters... as root: # chown root /dev/sr0 # chmod 664 /dev/sr0 # chmod 664 /dev/scd0 # ln -sf /dev/scd0 /dev/cdrom # adduser mikem disk That way, anyone in the disk group can write to the CD drive and anyone can read it. These commands ought to at least make things "normal" again and if it still doesn't work, we can at least start there. > >groups > For this command I get: > users uucp dialout audio video ftp Now you should see disk in here too. See if the audiocd:/ extension works now? Also, I would go back into the Control Center, go to the Sound/Multimedia section, and the Audio CD applet. Specifically set the CD device to /dec/scd0. -N ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
Primary Education & linux (advocacy)
I need some help! I have a debate going on about moving Brookline Schools (primary education) from Windows to Linux. Anyone have pointers/experience with primary education software for Linux (I'll even settle for open source that runs on Windows - but am shooting for linux). Also, pointers to case studies / examples of US primary schools that have moved to Linux. Right now, I'm using www.k12os.org, http://ofset.sourceforge.net/freeduc/, www.seul.org/edu, www.schoolforge.net, www.opensourceshools.org for resources, and just found debian, jr. thanks for any help jeff ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
Re: Hosstraders, April 30th and May 1st, Hopkinton State Fair Grounds
On Saturday 19 March 2005 09:32 am, Ted Roche wrote:
> Looks like Hosstraders is coming up in about six weeks. I understand
> there's usually a Linux contingent there. What goes on there ("what
> happens at Hosstraders stays at Hosstraders?"), what the attraction
> is for non-hams. From the links below, it looks like there are some
> computer parts vendors there.
I went last year (first time) and came home with about $600 from
sales of electronics and computer parts at give-away prices ( 5 and 10
cents on the dollar). Made a lot of people happy.
On sale there were computers, mother boards, disk drives, memory
chips, power supplies, fans, PSI/ISA boards, and other component-level
parts. I almost bought one of the HP SCSI DDS-2 tape drives, but
talked myself out of it. It takes a lot of discipline to get away with
some cash left.
The hardware techies who frequent such swaps often get their hands
on boxes and barrels of unsorted components from a company that is
going under or moving. For example, last spring a large international
company moved from Lexington to Chelmsford. It didn't pay to take
anything old or used and valued less than $2000. The rest headed for
the dumpster or the basement of anyone who wanted it.
> I'm not far from the fairgrounds, and would be willing to help with
> staging of materials, offering a parking space or two, or
> jury-rigging a lightening-rod/WiFi antenna on the roof if needed.
> Anything I can do to help?
My wife and I went Friday last year. The weather was beautiful. We
staked out a nice place among the pine trees. Had interesting
neighbors to talk to. Took turns seeing the vendors. Sampled the
snacks.
Just checked. Yes we are going this year. Anyone who wants to join
us is welcome. Schedule is flexible, but Friday has advantages.
Jim Kuzdrall
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Re: Primary Education & linux (advocacy)
On Sat, Mar 19, 2005 at 01:12:09PM -0800, Jeff Smith wrote: > I need some help! I have a debate going on about moving > Brookline Schools (primary education) from Windows to > Linux. Anyone have pointers/experience with primary > education software for Linux (I'll even settle for open > source that runs on Windows - but am shooting for linux). > Also, pointers to case studies / examples of US primary > schools that have moved to Linux. > > Right now, I'm using www.k12os.org, > http://ofset.sourceforge.net/freeduc/, www.seul.org/edu, > www.schoolforge.net, www.opensourceshools.org for > resources, and just found debian, jr. Good places to look for schools using Linux are these two mailing lists: K12OSN https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn LTSP https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/ltsp-discuss Sign up for both this weekend (unless you already are), and post your question to them Monday morning... then duck. Vassalboro ME, From the kennebec journal http://www.centralmaine.com/news/stories/030409linux_on.shtml Bethesda, MD http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/3131 Felixstow England http://www.theregister.co.uk/Design/page/linux_case_study_orwell_high_school.html [Google cache] http://64.233.161.104/linux?q=cache:HdFrxOX9JD8J:www.theregister.co.uk/Design/page/linux_case_study_orwell_high_school.html+school+linux&hl=en&lr=lang_en -- "The only system which is truly secure, is one which is switched off and unplugged, locked in a titanium lined safe, buried in a concrete bunker, surrounded by nerve gas and very highly paid armed guards. Even then, I wouldn't stake my life on it" - Gene Spafford (Good thing. the law of unintended consequences: A laptop, w/wireless NIC and wake on "date" set in the BIOS) http://kinz.org http://www.fedoranews.org Jeff Kinz, Emergent Research, Hudson, MA. ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
CORRECTION: Hosstraders, May 6 and 7, Hopkinton State Fair Grounds
Correction! I got the dates wrong
On Mar 19, 2005, at 9:32 AM, Ted Roche wrote:
Looks like Hosstraders is coming up in about six weeks. I understand
there's usually a Linux contingent there. What goes on there ("what
happens at Hosstraders stays at Hosstraders?"), what the attraction is
for non-hams. From the links below, it looks like there are some
computer parts vendors there.
I'm not far from the fairgrounds, and would be willing to help with
staging of materials, offering a parking space or two, or jury-rigging
a lightening-rod/WiFi antenna on the roof if needed. Anything I can do
to help?
http://www.qsl.net/k1rqg/
Ted Roche
Ted Roche & Associates, LLC
http://www.tedroche.com
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Re: now I did it ..
On Sat, Mar 19, 2005 at 03:45:39PM -0500, Neil Joseph Schelly wrote: > On Saturday 19 March 2005 10:33 am, you wrote: > > >Just for kicks, what is the output for this command then? > > >ls -l /dev/cdrom /dev/sr0 /dev/scd0 > > lrwxrwxrwx ? ?1 root ? ? root ??3 2005-03-15 17:59 /dev/cdrom-> sr0 > > brw-r-1 root disk 11, 0 2003-09-23 13:59 /dev/scd0 > > brw---1 mikemdisk 11, 0 2003-09-23 13:59 /dev/sr0 > > That's a bit odd there... I assume your username is mikem, but it's odd that > the device would be owned by you if you didn't specifically set it that way - It's not odd at all: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ddm] $ ls -l /dev/cdrom /dev/hdc /dev/scd0 lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 8 Mar 13 16:46 /dev/cdrom -> /dev/hdc brw--- 1 ddm disk 22, 0 Feb 23 2004 /dev/hdc Linux has various software, such as PAM modules, which change the owner of devices commonly used by users. Most commonly, a PAM module called pam_console is utilized to change these ownerships when a user logs in on the consloe or an X session running on the local display. This allows such users to access these devices securely, without risking exposure of sensitive data which might be on those devices to other users. > do you recall playing with these files' permissions before? > > Anyway, this ought to correct matters... as root: > # chown root /dev/sr0 > # chmod 664 /dev/sr0 > # chmod 664 /dev/scd0 > # ln -sf /dev/scd0 /dev/cdrom > # adduser mikem disk > I would advise against doing that, particularly if other users are able to access the system remotely, as it will allow them to read whatever is on the CD. If you ever mount sensitive data on the CD, it will be susceptible to being intercepted. If your system is strictly accessible only by you, this may not matter, but it is bad practice and totally unnecessary. On the up side, if you did take these actions, pam_console /should/ fix them for you after you log out... See the man pages for pam_console(8), console.perms(5), and maybe console.apps(5) for details. What IS odd is that with those permissions, he wasn't able to access the CD via konqueror. Mike, I /now/ suspect that your KDE Sound settings to be at fault here. Your system seems to prefer /dev/sr0, which is odd in my experience, but should work fine. However, your KDE settings, IIRC, were set to "choose device automatically." It may be trying to use /dev/scd0, which you don't have permissions to use, because it's owned by root. If you change this explicitly to /dev/sr0, it may work again... -- Derek D. Martinhttp://www.pizzashack.org/ GPG Key ID: 0xDFBEAD02 -=-=-=-=- This message is posted from an invalid address. Replying to it will result in undeliverable mail. Sorry for the inconvenience. Thank the spammers. pgpkCJNllw6oQ.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Primary Education & linux (advocacy)
Hello Please contact David Trask with this question. He is a major force behind the adoption of Linux in a K-12 environment (in the state of Maine). He and others hold a super 4 day Workshop, each summer on these very issues. Re: David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School [EMAIL PROTECTED] paulc > > From: Jeff Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: 2005/03/19 Sat PM 04:12:09 EST > To: GNHLUG > Subject: Primary Education & linux (advocacy) > > I need some help! I have a debate going on about moving > Brookline Schools (primary education) from Windows to > Linux. Anyone have pointers/experience with primary > education software for Linux (I'll even settle for open > source that runs on Windows - but am shooting for linux). > Also, pointers to case studies / examples of US primary > schools that have moved to Linux. > > Right now, I'm using www.k12os.org, > http://ofset.sourceforge.net/freeduc/, www.seul.org/edu, > www.schoolforge.net, www.opensourceshools.org for > resources, and just found debian, jr. > > thanks for any help > jeff > ___ > gnhlug-discuss mailing list > gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org > http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss > ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
Re: Primary Education & linux (advocacy)
Jeff, I think it would great if you could add what you find to: http://wiki.gnhlug.org/twiki2/bin/view/Www/LinuxInSchool Thanks, Larry Jeff Smith wrote: I need some help! I have a debate going on about moving Brookline Schools (primary education) from Windows to Linux. Anyone have pointers/experience with primary education software for Linux (I'll even settle for open source that runs on Windows - but am shooting for linux). Also, pointers to case studies / examples of US primary schools that have moved to Linux. Right now, I'm using www.k12os.org, http://ofset.sourceforge.net/freeduc/, www.seul.org/edu, www.schoolforge.net, www.opensourceshools.org for resources, and just found debian, jr. thanks for any help jeff ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
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Re: now I did it ..
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: do you recall playing with these files' permissions before? Nope .. not to my knowledge. But then again, I am groping in the dark with all this. Anyway, this ought to correct matters... as root: # chown root /dev/sr0 # chmod 664 /dev/sr0 # chmod 664 /dev/scd0 # ln -sf /dev/scd0 /dev/cdrom # adduser mikem disk The adduser command does not work. I get this as a result .. even if I go back all the way to the root directory: bash: adduser: command not found Looking through my book I see a useradd command, but somehow this doesn't quite seem to be what I think you are trying to accomplish since the syntax is different .. useradd [options] [user]. So, I didn't bother trying any of that. Pulling up "whereis adduser -b" gives a result of: adduser: /usr/share/man/man8/adduser.8.gz And looking at this shows that apparently mikem (thats me ) owns it as part of user group. And again I have a feeling that this had absolutely nothing to do with my cd problem .. but it was neat to chase. That way, anyone in the disk group can write to the CD drive and anyone can read it. These commands ought to at least make things "normal" again and if it still doesn't work, we can at least start there. groups For this command I get: users uucp dialout audio video ftp Now you should see disk in here too. See if the audiocd:/ extension works now? Also, I would go back into the Control Center, go to the Sound/Multimedia section, and the Audio CD applet. Specifically set the CD device to /dec/scd0. I did not get "disk" listed when I ran groups, probably due to previous balking. Went ahead and tried Konqueror and changed the Audio CD applet .. to no avail. Just for grins I logged in as a second user that I had added during installation .. even from that user I was not able access the CD via Konqueror. I had hoped that the default setup for this second user might have worked and given me a clue about my problem. Boy, I really botched this up good. Mike ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
Re: now I did it ..
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On the up side, if you did take these actions, pam_console /should/ fix them for you after you log out... I took those actions except my system balked at the "adduser mikem disk" command complaining that it couldn't find the adduser command. My CD problem was not fixed. See the man pages for pam_console(8), console.perms(5), and maybe console.apps(5) for details. I flipped like heck through my book and couldn't find any of those. Actually, I guess this means that I get to practice with my "man" command .. or should I use a editor to open them? What IS odd is that with those permissions, he wasn't able to access the CD via konqueror. Mike, I /now/ suspect that your KDE Sound settings to be at fault here. Your system seems to prefer /dev/sr0, which is odd in my experience, but should work fine. However, your KDE settings, IIRC, were set to "choose device automatically." It may be trying to use /dev/scd0, which you don't have permissions to use, because it's owned by root. If you change this explicitly to /dev/sr0, it may work again... Sadly, this was not the case. I've tried various different settings for this using all the possibilities for /dev/ and even toggling the AutoDetect option after each one to see if that might kick-start it. When I botch something up I do a really good job! And sometimes I even can fix it too .. but not yet with this one. Mike ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
Re: Primary Education & linux (advocacy)
On Saturday 19 March 2005 04:12 pm, Jeff Smith wrote: > education software for Linux (I'll even settle for open > source that runs on Windows - but am shooting for linux). For open source Windows software, check out TheOpenCD.org, which has a lot of great software on it for Windows. Other than that, for linux, check out the KDE education packages. There are some great games and tutorials and other sorts of things of interest there that ought to be interesting to all ages, obviously educational, free, and linux-only. -N ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
Re: now I did it ..
On Saturday 19 March 2005 07:06 pm, Mike Medai wrote: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >do you recall playing with these files' permissions before? > Nope .. not to my knowledge. But then again, I am groping in the dark > with all this. Well, Derek's comment makes it seem as though this wasn't so odd anyway, but it wasn't something I've used before. > ># adduser mikem disk > The adduser command does not work. I get this as a result .. even if I > go back all the way to the root directory: That command is intended to add your username to the disk group. I don't know what distribution you're using, so I just went with the Debian answer. Otherwise, KDE has a User/Group Manager program (KUser in the System menu). Or you can edit /etc/group manually, I suppose as well. I have another "just for grins" method to try. In the programs menu, go to System, More Applications, and File Manager (Super User Mode). This will prompt you for the root password and open Konqueror as root. Try the audiocd:/ link from there. If it works as root, then we know it's a permissions issue. If it doesn't, then it's a configuration issue. -N ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
Re: now I did it ..
On Saturday 19 March 2005 07:22 pm, Mike Medai wrote: > Sadly, this was not the case. I've tried various different settings > for this using all the possibilities for /dev/ and even toggling > the AutoDetect option after each one to see if that might kick-start > it. > > When I botch something up I do a really good job! And sometimes I > even can fix it too .. but not yet with this one. > > Mike I have a similar system. Maybe this information will give a clue. Sometimes KDE apps are slow to let go of a drive. My system does not list the cdrom as mounted even when konqueror has it open! You might run mount to see if it is in the list. If so, try umount -l /dev/cdrom. This feature is all new to me, by the way. I didn't know konqueror would do these things. I have SuSE 8.2, KDE 3.1.1 with kernel 2.4.20-64GB-SMP. I tried to mount the audio CD via right click and it said "...busy...". In user konqueror, I put in audiocd:/dev/ and all the tracks showed up as files. They copied just fine, but as .cda files. I didn't get wav. My ls /dev/cdrom gives: lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 3 2003-09-23 23:22 /dev/cdrom -> sr0 (It is a SCSI cdrom player.) However, when I look at /dev/cdrom in the konqueror file browser window, I get: cdrom 0B Block Device 14-Mar-03 08:07 rw- --- --- jak cdrecording -> sro Strange that they would simultaneously show different information about the link. Maybe Konqueror shows info for the link and ls shows info for what it points to. Jim Kuzdrall ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
Re: now I did it ..
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: # adduser mikem disk The adduser command does not work. I get this as a result .. even if I go back all the way to the root directory: That command is intended to add your username to the disk group. I don't know what distribution you're using, so I just went with the Debian answer. Otherwise, KDE has a User/Group Manager program (KUser in the System menu). Or you can edit /etc/group manually, I suppose as well. I tried the KDE user group manager thingy adding my username to anything that seemed suitable such as Audio and CDRom .. but it didn't fix the problem even after restarting KDE. However, the icon in Konqueror has changed in that it is now a churning gear wheel instead of a static icon. I have another "just for grins" method to try. In the programs menu, go to System, More Applications, and File Manager (Super User Mode). This will prompt you for the root password and open Konqueror as root. Try the audiocd:/ link from there. If it works as root, then we know it's a permissions issue. If it doesn't, then it's a configuration issue. -N This on the other hand had positive results! As root I can access the audiocd:/ area and yank the .mp3 files off the CD. Wah! Btw, is it possible that some of the CD's that I'm messing around with are old enough that they don't have .mp3 files encoded on them? Some of these CD's are from back in the late 80's (Yes, I'm still hanging onto my old vinyls too!! That is another project that is coming to be happening later this year, I hope.) Mike ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
