Re: METROCAST BLOCKS RESIDENTIAL E-MAIL
On 3/7/06, Jeff Kinz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Mar 07, 2006 at 05:52:53PM -0500, Ben Scott wrote: On 3/7/06, Neil Joseph Schelly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This isn't something to get so bent out of shape for really. Sure it is.Didn't you know that Internet access is a Constitutional Right?;-)Don't laugh Ben, its already been seriously discussed.:-)Access to information shall not be abridged. (Bujold, 1991, 358)And the way our technological society is moving, eventually we must~somehow~ insure that everyonewho wants access to the netcan get it it even if they can't pay for it.Why? One reason: It will be cheaper to deliver many of the governmentmanaged services to persons in need via the web than any other wayand since some of those services are either mandated or court ordered,we (The taxpaying citizens), might as well get it done at the lowest cost.Another reason is that persons who don't have some net access will be(are!) seriously disadvantaged in a way that is roughly comparable tobeing functionally illiterate has been a disadvantage for the past 100 years.Many (most) public libraries provide internet access now. For some, that's thier only access. Or through computers at school. My wife works at MCC and needs to remind people of this all the time. Her students usually don't have computers and can only use the college computers. Which are not available on weekends so she sends them to the library. -- A strong conviction that something must be done is the parent of many bad measures.- Daniel Webster
Re: METROCAST BLOCKS RESIDENTIAL E-MAIL
Ben Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Of course, cable companies *are not* a free market, since they've been granted a monopoly by the local government in the local area. That's not exactly true, at least not in most cases. Most municipalities grant cable companies a NON-EXCLUSIVE 10 year contract to provide cable services to the town or city. What this means in practice, is that in the smaller towns you typically have one cable company (Comcast, Adelphia, etc.) who is the exclusive provider by default of competition. In other words, these small towns are a winner-takes-all situation because any competition which could legally enter into that town doesn't think they can get enough takers to make it worth their while. If you look at the municipalities where there are multiple providers (like Boston area towns with both Comcast and RCN) you'll find that not only are the rates lower, but that there are enough people likely to switch to justify a company like RCN coming in well after the initial company is entrenched. In most cases, if you actually read the town's contract with the cable provider for that town, you'll find it's a non-exclusive contract. The reason no one else has shown up to the party is because there's not enough cake to go around :) -- Seeya, Paul ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
Re: METROCAST BLOCKS RESIDENTIAL E-MAIL
Ben Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The First Amendment says Congress shall make no law Ahh, the 9 most beautiful words in the Constitution. Makes you wish they had stopped with that, doesn't it ;) -- Seeya, Paul ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
Re: METROCAST BLOCKS RESIDENTIAL E-MAIL
Rodent of Unusual Size [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: This is one of several reasons I like Speakeasy. Static IPAs, no restrictions on servers or services, and crackerjack tech support. Yeah, too bad they're more widespread, I'd sign up for them in heartbeat! -- Seeya, Paul ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
Re: METROCAST BLOCKS RESIDENTIAL E-MAIL
Ben Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Technical solutions. Getting your mail to go through when your IP feed is blocking TCP port 25 outbound. You forgot to mention RFC-1149 (http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc1149.html). SMTP to port 25 will almost[1] *definitely* work this way, since afaik, not a single ISP anywhere has figured out how to block this protocol yet. [1] I say almost simply because I have not personally tested this theory. However, after having carefully, and painstakingly skimmed this RFC, I can come up with no legitimate means by which an ISP could counter-act this method. -- Seeya, Paul ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
Re: METROCAST BLOCKS RESIDENTIAL E-MAIL
On Wed, Mar 08, 2006 at 09:00:52AM -0500, Paul Lussier wrote: Ben Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Technical solutions. Getting your mail to go through when your IP feed is blocking TCP port 25 outbound. You forgot to mention RFC-1149 (http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc1149.html). SMTP to port 25 will almost[1] *definitely* work this way, since afaik, not a single ISP anywhere has figured out how to block this protocol yet. Using Avian Carrier signals, however, is equivilant to changing ISPs. If you're willing to switch from Metrocast to BirdNet, you are probably just as willing to change to another terrestrial provider. -- Christopher Schmidt Web Developer ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
FYI: Maddog article
Saw this linked from /. this AM: http://www.computerworld.com.au/index.php/id;527801083;fp;2;fpid;4 ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
Re: Network testing and latency
Ben Scott writes: On 3/7/06, Kevin D. Clark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If all that you want to do is to introduce latency, I would suggest using iptables dstlimit and fuzzy modules. Will that really create a realistic reproduction of a higher latency link, though? It depends on what you mean by realistic. Those things are basically a very granular knob that you can turn to affect certain things. Assuming the throughput demands were minimal, I wasn't making any assumptions here. latency would remain low, wouldn't it? And higher throughput demands would prolly result in TCP throttling or retransmissions or some such, which would be seen more as a bandwidth limit or bad line, not long transmission time, per se. I wasn't assuming TCP or any sort of protocol that does congestion control either. In fact most of my experiences in this space are with protocols that don't do congestion control. Anyways, davej already offered a better solution. Regards, --kevin -- GnuPG ID: B280F24E And the madness of the crowd alumni.unh.edu!kdc Is an epileptic fit -- Tom Waits ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
Re: Network testing and latency
Dave Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Note that as mentioned before, limiting bandwidth and introducing latency and/or jitter are different things. If you want to simulate a bandwidth limited link you need to both limit bandwidth and queue packets. If you simply drop and don't queue then there is no possibility of latency. Latency and jitter are side effects due to queuing prior to the bandwidth limited hop. Protocols such as TCP are designed to avoid introducing latency when a slow link is in the path. Anyway, onto the implementation. Below script limits bandwidth in both directions when forwarding through two interfaces. Note you'll need to setup the appropriate interfaces and routes. Each side has it's own bandwidth and queue with a max size in bytes. This is equivilant to a full-duplex T1 pipe using a linux box and 2 ethernet interfaces representing the two endpoints of the T1. Dave, does this add jitter as well? I assume that since you're queueing, it does to some extent. Would it also be wise to inject traffic on the simulated T1 connection by having other hosts communicating as well? For example I could have 1 linux system in between 2 switches, on which were several other systems all communicating with each other doing things like generating web requests, copying large files, etc. It seems this approach would add to the randomness of the connection to some extent, and increase both the latency and jitter experienced by the 2 systems we're really trying to test. Thanks again! -- Seeya, Paul ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
LinuxWorld Expo Booth Volunteers
Posted to: LinuxWorld Expo is held in Boston April 3 - 6, 2006, with a tradeshow Expo on the 4th, 5th and 6th. http://www.linuxworldexpo.com/live/12/events/12BOS06A We're looking for volunteers to man a booth morning and afternoon. We'll need: * The groups banner: contact Main.TedRoche to arrange for it * Handouts: Let's dig around and see what we have before ordering more * Goodies: anyone with a vendor contact who might provide stuff for us to give away? * Demos: anyone willing to contribute/loan/volunteer a system for demos? SIGN-UP SHEET Please volunteer for one or more slots: Morning (10 AM - 2 PM), Afternoon (1 PM - 5 PM) or Lunch coverage (Noon - 2 PM) We need at least two people for each slot (one at lunch) to ensure booth coverage and security. More is better. Volunteers MUST get their own expo pass (Free in advance) by registering at: https://register.rcsreg.com/regos-1.0/linuxbos2006/ga/index2.html There are several good keynotes open to all, and there are also some killer sessions by the likes of Peter Thoeny (TWiki.org), Jeremy Allison, Eric Allman, Larry Augustin, Jeff Barr, Migeul de Icaza, Mark Fleury, jacob Taylor (SugarCRM), Robert Young (Lulu) and many more. (Note that LinuxWorld has offered a generous discount to the LUG; you may want to consider attending the conference.) Please review the schedule and choose a good time slot (or two! or three!) to volunteer to sign up. ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
Re: LinuxWorld Expo Booth Volunteers
Executive summary: - We need warm bodies - An exhibit pass is *FREE* - You wanted to go to LinuxWorld anyway - Did I mention *FREE*? So, since you've decided you want to help, you need to register for the free pass. On 3/8/06, Ted Roche [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: https://register.rcsreg.com/regos-1.0/linuxbos2006/ga/index2.html Note that when I tried to register by clicking directly on the above link, I got part way through and then it kept giving me the same form over-and-over again. I suspect there's some client-side state (cookie) or something that wasn't as the server wanted. What did work was: 1. Go to the following URL: http://www.linuxworldexpo.com/live/12/events/12BOS06A 2. Click Register in the upper-right hand corner of the screen. 3. Click the purple Register Today graphic that appears in the middle of the page. 3. Click any Register Now! link in the table (they're all the same) 4. Follow the prompts. Be sure to pick the Free option when you get to that part. I suspect you'll need cookies enabled for the site. Session-only cookies worked for me. -- Ben ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
Re: METROCAST BLOCKS RESIDENTIAL E-MAIL
On Wed, Mar 08, 2006 at 08:07:35AM -0500, Tom Buskey wrote: Many (most) public libraries provide internet access now. For some, that's thier only access. Or through computers at school. My wife works at MCC and needs to remind people of this all the time. Her students usually don't have computers and can only use the college computers. Which are not available on weekends so she sends them to the library. Yes, and there are some libraries in New England running Linux thin clients to provide more seats per $ to the public. Even better many public libraries are providing wireless access which increases the number of seats even more. Boston Public library is one of these and they don't mind when its accessed from outside their buildings. Now all we need are $10 laptops for general distribution. :) -- Jeff Kinz, Emergent Research, Hudson, MA. speech recognition software may have been used to create this e-mail ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
Re: FYI: Maddog article
From the article: So what makes you happy? Good friends. Enthusiastic students. Enthusiastic teachers. Warm sandy beaches. Most definately there is something missing here: Beer! Michael Costolo wrote: Saw this linked from /. this AM: http://www.computerworld.com.au/index.php/id;527801083;fp;2;fpid;4 ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
Re: METROCAST BLOCKS RESIDENTIAL E-MAIL
On Wed, Mar 08, 2006 at 09:43:51AM -0500, Jeff Kinz wrote: Now all we need are $10 laptops for general distribution. :) Not quite there yet, but getting closer: http://laptop.media.mit.edu/ -- Christopher Schmidt Web Developer ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
RE: FYI: Maddog article
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Richard Soule Sent: Wednesday, March 08, 2006 10:19 AM To: GNHLUG Subject: Re: FYI: Maddog article From the article: So what makes you happy? Good friends. Enthusiastic students. Enthusiastic teachers. Warm sandy beaches. Most definately there is something missing here: Beer! The beer is implied from Good friends. What good are they if they don't bring you beer? ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
Re: LinuxWorld Expo Booth Volunteers
On Mar 8, 2006, at 9:39 AM, Ben Scott wrote: Note that when I tried to register by clicking directly on the above link, I got part way through and then it kept giving me the same form over-and-over again. I suspect there's some client-side state (cookie) or something that wasn't as the server wanted. Thanks for the sanity check.. Guess they want you to see all the ads. 4. Follow the prompts. Be sure to pick the Free option when you get to that part. Or look over the conference program and sign up cheap. Note that Bill McGonigle posted a discount code good for LUG members (yes, you are a member - you're reading the email list, right?). The discount makes a single-day session $315 vice $395, but rates go up on the 10th. Note that there are simultaneous LinuxWorld and OpenSolutionsWorld conferences, and their schedules are listed separately. I'm considering a paid attendance for the 5th (TWiki.org and database presentations), and maybe volunteering on the 6th. Note, too, that the conference has moved from the Hynes to the Boston Convention and Exhibition Center. LPI will be there offering free cert tests for paid attendees and half-price tests for Expo-only attendees. ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
Re: Network testing and latency
Kevin D. Clark writes: Dave Johnson writes: Latency and jitter are side effects due to queuing prior to the bandwidth limited hop. I think that latency has more to do with your transmission medium. And I think that jitter has more to do with contention. Ya, I meant to say queuing introduces jitter and latency. The transmission delay of the medium adds latency regardless of congestion. Protocols such as TCP are designed to avoid introducing latency when a slow link is in the path. I think that the design of TCP more has to do with using the network efficiently and with operating reliably in the presence of congestion. I'm not sure how TCP is designed to avoid intoducing latency. The protocol tries to operate reliably but doesn't really make any guarantees that the bytestream will make it to the destination by a certain time. Should have said avoid introducing excessive congestion. Latency is a side-effect of that. -- Dave ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
Re: METROCAST BLOCKS RESIDENTIAL E-MAIL
Happens I know the newly-hired IT director for a new library in the New England area... any pointers to info on libraries using Linux thin clients etc. I can pass along to them? --DTVZ On 3/8/06, Jeff Kinz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, Mar 08, 2006 at 08:07:35AM -0500, Tom Buskey wrote: Many (most) public libraries provide internet access now. For some, that's thier only access. Or through computers at school. My wife works at MCC and needs to remind people of this all the time. Her students usually don't have computers and can only use the college computers. Which are not available on weekends so she sends them to the library. Yes, and there are some libraries in New England running Linux thin clients to provide more seats per $ to the public. ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
Job Hunt
So, after learning that verbal assurances are worth the paper they're written on, I'm going to be finishing up my current gig with Ning in a couple weeks. If you're looking to hire a PHP web developer, or a Python developer, and have something interesting to offer, I'm taking offers from people at the moment into next week. I'm mostly looking at things that I think I'd have the most fun with, but I live in Cambridge, so I also have to pay the rent :) I can't relocate, so it's probably got to be within 495 somewhere or allow working from home. I'm especially interested in geo-related stuff -- mapping and similar projects -- and have spent the last year working for a company that is often classified Web2.0. I'm basically trying to get all interested parties to at least start a conversation by the end of this week, since I've only got three weeks to get moving someplace new, so if you're looking for someone now, this is the time :) http://crschmidt.net/formal/ is the closest thing I have to a resume: http://crschmidt.net/formal/resume.pdf exists but is not something I'm particularly proud of :) And of course, my website is home to the tricks I've been pulling, which are more representative of the work I'd love to have than much else is. -- Christopher Schmidt Web Developer ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
Re: Network testing and latency
Paul Lussier writes: Dave Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Note that as mentioned before, limiting bandwidth and introducing latency and/or jitter are different things. If you want to simulate a bandwidth limited link you need to both limit bandwidth and queue packets. If you simply drop and don't queue then there is no possibility of latency. Latency and jitter are side effects due to queuing prior to the bandwidth limited hop. Protocols such as TCP are designed to avoid introducing latency when a slow link is in the path. Anyway, onto the implementation. Below script limits bandwidth in both directions when forwarding through two interfaces. Note you'll need to setup the appropriate interfaces and routes. Each side has it's own bandwidth and queue with a max size in bytes. This is equivilant to a full-duplex T1 pipe using a linux box and 2 ethernet interfaces representing the two endpoints of the T1. Dave, does this add jitter as well? I assume that since you're queueing, it does to some extent. Would it also be wise to inject traffic on the simulated T1 connection by having other hosts communicating as well? For example I could have 1 linux system in between 2 switches, on which were several other systems all communicating with each other doing things like generating web requests, copying large files, etc. It seems this approach would add to the randomness of the connection to some extent, and increase both the latency and jitter experienced by the 2 systems we're really trying to test. Thanks again! Latency and jitter due to queuing will be accurate, however the only thing this won't do is introduce inherant latency due to link speed, distance, etc... Sending 1500 bytes over a T1 takes 7.8ms plus forwarding delays, distance, etc... If you chain multiple connections together you've got even more. The TC setup will forward each packet as fast as possible, just introduce delays between them to simulate a bandwidth limit. In any case if you want a 'real-world' experiance yuo'll need to send other stuff over the link at the same time as your test. TCP connections are easy. If you want to bring the link to a crawl you can use my UDP network test tool to send packets over the link at any rate: http://davej.org/programs/untt/ # server listening on port 1 ./untt -l -v -p 1 # client sending 400 byte packets at 4mbps (uni-directional) ./untt -vv -p 1 -s 400 -r 4000 -c 100 192.168.11.2 The more bursts the more jitter, the more input the more latency. Also note the queue size will directly relate to the max latency because bandwidth is fixed. The 256KB gives a max latency of 1.333 seconds each direction. Flooding the link with a constant 4mbps above fills one of the queues in just seconds and we reach max latency in no time: 64 bytes from 192.168.11.2: icmp_seq=161 ttl=63 time=1350 ms 64 bytes from 192.168.11.2: icmp_seq=162 ttl=63 time=1345 ms 64 bytes from 192.168.11.2: icmp_seq=163 ttl=63 time=1353 ms 64 bytes from 192.168.11.2: icmp_seq=164 ttl=63 time=1348 ms 64 bytes from 192.168.11.2: icmp_seq=165 ttl=63 time=1349 ms 64 bytes from 192.168.11.2: icmp_seq=166 ttl=63 time=1356 ms 64 bytes from 192.168.11.2: icmp_seq=167 ttl=63 time=1350 ms 64 bytes from 192.168.11.2: icmp_seq=168 ttl=63 time=1350 ms -- Dave ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
Re: METROCAST BLOCKS RESIDENTIAL E-MAIL
On Wed, Mar 08, 2006 at 10:15:17AM -0500, Christopher Schmidt wrote: On Wed, Mar 08, 2006 at 09:43:51AM -0500, Jeff Kinz wrote: Now all we need are $10 laptops for general distribution. :) Not quite there yet, but getting closer: http://laptop.media.mit.edu/ Yes, that was my point. A few years ago laptops were $2k- $5K. Today you can get a really good laptop for $100 ** Negroponte's project is knocking a zero off that average. So in a few years we can knock a another zero off the price. (By then $100 will be equal to today's $10. :-)) ** Yeah, I know, the $100 laptop will not be anything like what a $1K laptop. I just enjoy the speculation and discussion. :) -- Jeff Kinz, Emergent Research, Hudson, MA. speech recognition software may have been used to create this e-mail ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
Re: METROCAST BLOCKS RESIDENTIAL E-MAIL
On Wed, Mar 08, 2006 at 10:51:08AM -0500, Jeff Kinz wrote: Today you can get a really good laptop for $100 ** Should have read: Today you can get a really good laptop for $1000 ** Apparently I have a thing about dropping zero's. :-) Negroponte's project is knocking a zero off that average. So in a few years we can knock a another zero off the price. (By then $100 will be equal to today's $10. :-)) ** Yeah, I know, the $100 laptop will not be anything like what a $1K laptop. I just enjoy the speculation and discussion. :) -- Jeff Kinz, Emergent Research, Hudson, MA. speech recognition software may have been used to create this e-mail ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
Re: METROCAST BLOCKS RESIDENTIAL E-MAIL
On Mar 8, 2006, at 10:51 AM, Jeff Kinz wrote: Today you can get a really good laptop for $100 ** ** Yeah, I know, the $100 laptop will not be anything like what At Monday's CentraLUG meeting, Steve Amsden was showing off LTSP. He said the laptops he was using were for sale in bulk for $240 each. Used beaters, and not cutting edge, but the prices are getting amazing! ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
Re: METROCAST BLOCKS RESIDENTIAL E-MAIL
Drew Van Zandt wrote: Happens I know the newly-hired IT director for a new library in the New England area... any pointers to info on libraries using Linux thin clients etc. I can pass along to them? It just so happens that by day I am the Assistant Director for Technology Services (*yawn*) for the Merrimack Valley Library Consortium, which is a concortium of 35 Massachusetts public libraries. (Aren't you impressed? Not!) Some of our members (at least 2) are considering getting Linux clients from a Canadian company called Useful. They've got systems that can have up to 10 monitors, keyboards and mice connected to a single PC and all being used at once by different people simultaneously. I imagine they've hardwired ptys to each video card/keyboard/mouse combo in the drivers. Yes, it runs X, and it comes with print management and timeout software (two things that most libraries want for public access computers).--I'm a little fuzzy on how much of that extra stuff is Free software. They are going to be at the PLA (Public Library Association) convention this month in Boston. They're having a special demo. session with one of their customers during the show. (They invited me to come for a look, today.) Stop by their booth and I'm sure you can get the meeting details.--I'm not going, so I promptly free()'d that section of my brain when I hung the phone up. As for what my Consortium uses, we have a mix of Fedora GNU/Linux, Solaris, and Winders computers in the server room at the central site in Andover. Desktops as central and at the member libraries are almost all Winders. If anyone wishes to contact me about libraries and technology, feel free to email me at my work address: [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can pass that address on to your friend, Drew. Cheers, Jason ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
Used Laptops (was Re: METROCAST BLOCKS RESIDENTIAL E-MAIL)
Ted Roche wrote: At Monday's CentraLUG meeting, Steve Amsden was showing off LTSP. He said the laptops he was using were for sale in bulk for $240 each. Used beaters, and not cutting edge, but the prices are getting amazing! Speaking of used laptops. My 6+ years old Compaq laptop stopped booting recently. After doing the usual perambulations and sacrifices, and it still not working, I yanked the hard drive and slapped that in a nice little USB case to carry about with me. So, I'm in the market for an inexpensive laptop that works, and that would mostly work with Linux or FreeBSD.--If the crappy winmodem won't work, I won't care, so long as the hardware is still functional and it has working ethernet or PCCARD slot for my ethernet card. I'm wondering if anyone knows of good sources for working, used laptops. Cheers, Jason ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
Re: METROCAST BLOCKS RESIDENTIAL E-MAIL
Happens I know the newly-hired IT director for a new library in the New England area... any pointers to info on libraries using Linux thin clients etc. I can pass along to them? A worthwhile resource for them would be http://oss4lib.org/ and its low-quantity mailing list at https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/oss4lib-discuss. (But heck, they're librarians, they should be able to find that info. :-) Regards, . Randy -- Computers make it easier to do a lot of things, but most of the things they make it easier to do don't need to be done. -- Andy Rooney ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
