yahoo - verizon mail br0ken
Here is something interesting: : Date: 23 Apr 2006 17:42:49 - : From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] : To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] : Subject: failure notice : : Hi. This is the qmail-send program at yahoo.com. : I'm afraid I wasn't able to deliver your message to the following : addresses. : This is a permanent error; I've given up. Sorry it didn't work out. : : [EMAIL PROTECTED]: : Connected to 206.46.232.13 but sender was rejected. : Remote host said: 550 Email from your Email Service Provider is currently : blocked by : Verizon Online's anti-spam system. The email sender or Email Service : Provider may visit : http://www.verizon.net/whitelist and request removal of the block. A friend of mine even reminded me that Verizon and Yahoo have a business relationship when it comes to ISP functionality. I thought I'd pass this along. From my friend's perspective, he is a Verizon customer and he is looking for work; he is none to happy at the possibility that responses to his resume might be blocked. --kevin ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
Re: yahoo - verizon mail br0ken
: Remote host said: 550 Email from your Email Service Provider is currently : blocked by : Verizon Online's anti-spam system. The email sender or Email Service : Provider may visit : http://www.verizon.net/whitelist and request removal of the block. FYI, they are blocking gmail too... as I got a similar blocked message last night. Someone at Verizon doesn't know what they are doing. ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
Re: yahoo - verizon mail br0ken
Seth Cohn wrote: : Remote host said: 550 Email from your Email Service Provider is currently : blocked by : Verizon Online's anti-spam system. The email sender or Email Service : Provider may visit : http://www.verizon.net/whitelist and request removal of the block. FYI, they are blocking gmail too... as I got a similar blocked message last night. Someone at Verizon doesn't know what they are doing. And, in what manner, is this a surprise? I've had them block Comcast before (and, yes, I was relaying through Comcast's SMTP server properly). GMail Yahoo Mail has been a problem upon occasion too. I have to drive to the North Country to fix a network. The customer was having some problem accessing Verizon's webmail and called Verizon (rather than us). Verizon had them rewire and reconfigure the network. The end result, they have an on-demand PPPoE connection for a single Windows system instead of an always-on connection for a Linux/Windows network. The single system on the Internet can no longer see the rest of the network. Verizon told them to throw out their broken router, which happens to be a $2000 Sonicwall VPN solution. That's the point the customer called us, thank the gods. Of course, it is not a Verizon monopoly, just last week I had a customer, who uses Comcast's authenticated SMTP, have his email rejected while traveling. Comcast said that smtp.comcast.net was blacklisted. :-) (It was fixed within an hour, FWIW.) -- Dan Jenkins ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Rastech Inc., Bedford, NH, USA --- 1-603-206-9951 *** Technical Support for over a Quarter Century ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
Re: yahoo - verizon mail br0ken
On 4/24/06, Seth Cohn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Someone at Verizon doesn't know what they are doing. s/Someone/No one/ s/doesn't know/knows/ We don't care. We don't have to. We're The Phone Company. -- Lily Tomlin -- Ben ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
mouse problem on Redhat Enterprise
Good morning, I have a switch console (Belkin) which enable me to use only one mouse and one keyboard for a windows machine and a linux box. I'm having a problem with the mouse (ps/2) on linux box (RedHat Enterprise). Rehat can recognize it, but I just can't move cursor around as I intend to. This mouse works well on the windows machine. The same thing described above happened to another working mouse. So my feeling is that the problem has nothing to do with the mouse itself. Any suggestion as to how to make it work on Redhat? Thanks Zhao ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
Re: yahoo - verizon mail br0ken
On 4/24/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here is something interesting:: Date:23 Apr 2006 17:42:49 - : From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Subject:failure notice:: Hi. This is the qmail-send program at yahoo.com.: I'm afraid I wasn't able to deliver your message to the following: addresses.: This is a permanent error; I've given up. Sorry it didn't work out.:: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:: Connected to 206.46.232.13 but sender was rejected.: Remote host said: 550 Email from your Email Service Provider is currently: blocked by: Verizon Online's anti-spam system.The email sender or Email Service : Provider may visit: http://www.verizon.net/whitelist and request removal of the block.A friend of mine even reminded me that Verizon and Yahoo have a business relationship when it comes to ISP functionality. I thought I'd pass this along.From my friend's perspective, he is a Verizon customer and he is looking for work; he is none to happy at the possibility that responses to his resume might be blocked. I'd suggest he get a gmail account (I have invites).I have Verizon DSL and don't use it or the Yahoo! service they offer. However, I did get an opt-out for a class action suit against Verizon for blocking foreign mail. Verizon lost. I think they'd be sensitive to it.
[fixed] mouse problem on Redhat Enterprise
Hi, I just wanted to let you know that I deleted old mouse setting during the boot-up and it then automatically re-configured the mouse setting, and now it works. Thanks, Zhao ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
Re: mouse problem on Redhat Enterprise
On Monday 24 April 2006 9:11 am, Zhao Peng wrote: I have a switch console (Belkin) which enable me to use only one mouse and one keyboard for a windows machine and a linux box. While you solved your problem, I have a question. I currently have a 4 port Linksys PS/2 KVM. I was thinking of getting a 2-port USB KVM for a number of reasons. Belkin has a KVM with built-in cables. Is your switch console a KVM or is it a physical switch. Regarding the Belkin KVM units, what is the procedure for switching. On the Cybex units, there is a ctrl-ctrl-# sequence. On the Linksys, ctrl-alt-shift-# (In general, I avoid Belkin products). -- Jerry Feldman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Boston Linux and Unix user group http://www.blu.org PGP key id:C5061EA9 PGP Key fingerprint:053C 73EC 3AC1 5C44 3E14 9245 FB00 3ED5 C506 1EA9 ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
Re: mouse problem on Redhat Enterprise
On 4/24/06, Jerry Feldman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Regarding the Belkin KVM units, what is the procedure for switching. It varies from model to model, but they seem to like using [Scroll Lock] as an attention key, followed by the digit key for the channel number (or two digit keys for bank, channel for units that support cascading). (In general, I avoid Belkin products). Their KVMs do tend to be rather flaky. -- Ben ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
Re: mouse problem on Redhat Enterprise
On 4/24/06, Zhao Peng [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have a switch console (Belkin) which enable me to use only one mouse and one keyboard for a windows machine and a linux box. I'm having a problem with the mouse (ps/2) on linux box (RedHat Enterprise). You solved your problem, but... I recently encountered an issue with CentOS 4.2 (RHEL clone) and some no-name KVM switch. It appears the 2.6 kernel has more sophisticated built-in mouse support (to facilitate USB support), but that something about it does not get along some KVM switches. Symptoms included: - Totally erratic mouse pointer movement after switching away and back to the Linux box - Kernel error messages in syslog about lost synchronization and throwing bytes away The fix was to add the following kernel command line parameters to the boot loader: psmouse.resetafter=10 psmouse.proto=bare A reboot was required to put those changes into effect. Linux really is just like Windows now. You have moved your mouse. You must reboot for this change to take effect. -- Ben ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
Re: Junk, er, useful stuff
Thanks to all for the enthusiastic response. Still a few more treasures to pick up... I have some piles of stuff I'm hoping to sort out before HossTraders to offer it first come, first serve. If there's anyone on the GNHLUG list who'd be interested in relieving me of any of the items below, speak up and I can bring it to an upcoming meeting or we can work on getting it to you: Still available: 1. Bernoulli 150 portable: uses the Iomega/bernoulli 60/90/150 Mb disks (none included). Clearly marked NOT FOR RESALE on top; a demo model I bought a number of years ago. Worked good last I tried it. SCSI 1 old large D-shaped Centronics interface with a 25 pin plug on the other end. With cable and power cord. 5. Two wireless mice. Use two AA batteries each, batteries not included. One optical, one mechanical (ball). 6. AST P166, 256Mb RAM, hd appears dead. 7. Fellowes pull-out tray for keyboard and mouse. Attaches under a table with hangers and clamps, no need to drill. Metal, rugged, needs fairly narrow (~2? ) tabletop. 8. Packard-bell 14 color VGA monitor. Good to stick on the server in laundry room, er, server room. 10. Ancient ISA bus Future Domain TMC-1680 SCSI controller with misc. manuals and cables. Already snapped up: 2. Dell Latitude XP 4100 CX: GONE 3. Dell Workstation 400: GONE 9. Linksys BEFSR41 GONE 11. Belkin Wireless Notebook card, GONE 12. Linksys Wireless PCI card WMP11: GONE Ted Roche Ted Roche Associates, LLC http://www.tedroche.com ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
Re: mouse problem on Redhat Enterprise
On Monday 24 April 2006 10:12 am, Ben Scott wrote: On 4/24/06, Jerry Feldman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Regarding the Belkin KVM units, what is the procedure for switching. It varies from model to model, but they seem to like using [Scroll Lock] as an attention key, followed by the digit key for the channel number (or two digit keys for bank, channel for units that support cascading). (In general, I avoid Belkin products). Their KVMs do tend to be rather flaky. Thanks Ben. I have heard horror stories about their routers and Network cards. -- Jerry Feldman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Boston Linux and Unix user group http://www.blu.org PGP key id:C5061EA9 PGP Key fingerprint:053C 73EC 3AC1 5C44 3E14 9245 FB00 3ED5 C506 1EA9 ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
Re: yahoo - verizon mail br0ken
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Here is something interesting: : Date:23 Apr 2006 17:42:49 - : From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] : To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] : Subject:failure notice : : Hi. This is the qmail-send program at yahoo.com. : I'm afraid I wasn't able to deliver your message to the following : addresses. : This is a permanent error; I've given up. Sorry it didn't work out. : : [EMAIL PROTECTED]: : Connected to 206.46.232.13 but sender was rejected. : Remote host said: 550 Email from your Email Service Provider is currently : blocked by : Verizon Online's anti-spam system. The email sender or Email Service : Provider may visit : http://www.verizon.net/whitelist and request removal of the block. I got something similar a whole back and went to that web page, filled out the form and got a response back rejecting my request ! A friend of mine even reminded me that Verizon and Yahoo have a business relationship when it comes to ISP functionality. I thought I'd pass this along. From my friend's perspective, he is a Verizon customer and he is looking for work; he is none to happy at the possibility that responses to his resume might be blocked. Funny thing spam. We all want an e-mail address at which anyone in the world can contact us. Then we get upset when they do, so we set up mechanisms by which we prevent them from contacting us. At which point we get upset that they can't :) -- Seeya, Paul ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
Re: What's a developer to do?
On Fri, 21 Apr 2006 13:17:07 -0400 Bruce Dawson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (what a total cop-out compared to Windows!). Disconnect. Power off. Bye. Ah Ha! Now who is doing the cop-out? Er, me, of course.:) PS: I'm using fanatic rhetoric because people on this list seem to respond to it Q.E.D. :) :) (And I'm missing my geeky friends lately - umbrella-laced rum only goes so far). Same here. Hurry home, Bruce. There is a real, but subtle, problem here, and I thank maddog for seeing it and looking into it more. Back to serious. Yes, there is a problem, and I second the vote for maddog's sentient take on it. I.e., we might read Jean-Claude Wippler's concerns as an affirmation of the need to make LSB real. (It's hard to tell through the whining -- is there a subtext of I want starpacks INSTEAD of LSB? That would be very Unix-wars like itself, in a self-referential way.) I shall stick to technical details on future postings to this thread. No, no... this is gnhlug... :) -Bill ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
Re: What's a developer to do?
Bill Sconce wrote: On Fri, 21 Apr 2006 13:17:07 -0400 Bruce Dawson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There is a real, but subtle, problem here, and I thank maddog for seeing it and looking into it more. Back to serious. Yes, there is a problem, and I second the vote for maddog's sentient take on it. I.e., we might read Jean-Claude Wippler's concerns as an affirmation of the need to make LSB real. (It's hard to tell through the whining -- is there a subtext of I want starpacks INSTEAD of LSB? That would be very Unix-wars like itself, in a self-referential way.) Well, LSB is Linux-only. Starpacks will run on Linux, OS-X, Windows, ... - and *with the same binary*! My DOJ contract is starpack based, so it would be nice if I don't have to dictate to the client thou shalt run on Linux, or thou shalt run on Windows, or ... - you get the picture. I shall stick to technical details on future postings to this thread. No, no... this is gnhlug... :) Oh yeah. Right. :-) --Bruce ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
Re: What's a developer to do?
Well, LSB is Linux-only. No. BSD and Solaris systems can also pass the LSB. OS X could pass it if they wanted to. LSB simply defines a binary interface for applications to run.and it does it on a architecture basis. Starpacks will run on Linux, OS-X, Windows, ... - and *with the same binary*! U, I think you mean that the *envelope file* Starpacks creates will deliver the binaries needed for all these platforms, if you have the binaries, by utilizing the TCL interpreter. Correct? You still have to have the binaries of the application itself for a particular OS and architecture, and in the case of Linux, it would be nice if that application followed the LSB, and if the platforms you were delivering it for were LSB compliant. Of course I do not see where Starkits does any of the testing for prerequisites and dependencies that RPM or APT does. md ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
Re: What's a developer to do?
Jon Hall wrote: Well, LSB is Linux-only. No. BSD and Solaris systems can also pass the LSB. OS X could pass it if they wanted to. Interesting. I wasn't aware of this. LSB simply defines a binary interface for applications to run.and it does it on a architecture basis. Starpacks will run on Linux, OS-X, Windows, ... - and *with the same binary*! U, I think you mean that the *envelope file* Starpacks creates will deliver the binaries needed for all these platforms, if you have the binaries, by utilizing the TCL interpreter. Correct? Technically, yes. (The end-user sees it as the same program, and for the most part, the developer does too). You still have to have the binaries of the application itself for a particular OS and architecture, and in the case of Linux, it would be nice if that application followed the LSB, and if the platforms you were delivering it for were LSB compliant. Those binaries, if there are any, are bundled into the application's starpack. (Typically, each platform's TCL is the only binary in a starpack). I've been assuming the starpack's SDX utility (which glues the various parts of TCL and the application into a starpack) was LSB compliant and created LSB compliant binaries - at least for the Linux platform. That assumption may not be valid. Of course I do not see where Starkits does any of the testing for prerequisites and dependencies that RPM or APT does. It doesn't need to. RPM's, APT, and other Linux packaging concepts are beyond the scope of starkits. Actually, starpacks are another form of RPMs, ... but mostly for people developing on systems that don't (or didn't) have a concept of package management. In TCL, package dependency management is done with the package command, and its done at run-time by the application, instead of an external packaging system. BTW: I just read on the starpack mailing list where someone suggested that jcw use RHL 7.3 as the basis of starpack development. Evidently, Linux binaries developed on a RHL 7.3 system will run on most other distributions. They went further to suggest that any application that doesn't work from there should be rebuilt from scratch for the target system. I suspect this is the direction jcw is going to take. --Bruce ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
Slashdot: IT: Verizon's Aggressive New Spam Filter Causing Problems
http://slashdot.org/ aviancarrier writes Verizon DSL has turned on a very aggressive spam filter that is blocking lots of long-time legitimate emails -- Jerry Feldman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Boston Linux and Unix user group http://www.blu.org PGP key id:C5061EA9 PGP Key fingerprint:053C 73EC 3AC1 5C44 3E14 9245 FB00 3ED5 C506 1EA9 ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
Re: Slashdot: IT: Verizon's Aggressive New Spam Filter Causing Problems
On 4/24/06, Jerry Feldman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: aviancarrier writes Verizon DSL has turned on a very aggressive spam filter that is blocking lots of long-time legitimate emails Telco's suck. Film at 11. After that report, a special report: AOL sucks too. ;-) -- Ben ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
Re: Slashdot: IT: Verizon's Aggressive New Spam Filter Causing Problems
aviancarrier writes Verizon DSL has turned on a very aggressive spam filter that is blocking lots of long-time legitimate emails Telco's suck. Film at 11. Well, at least we'll never have to worry about Congress selling us out to the telcos such that they're allowed to set up a multi- tiered pricing arrangement. ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
Re: Slashdot: IT: Verizon's Aggressive New Spam Filter Causing Problems
On Monday 24 April 2006 2:33 pm, Ben Scott wrote: On 4/24/06, Jerry Feldman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: aviancarrier writes Verizon DSL has turned on a very aggressive spam filter that is blocking lots of long-time legitimate emails Telco's suck. Film at 11. After that report, a special report: AOL sucks too. ;-) Don't let Verizon see you dong that or they'll remove the wires from your house!!! -- Jerry Feldman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Boston Linux and Unix user group http://www.blu.org PGP key id:C5061EA9 PGP Key fingerprint:053C 73EC 3AC1 5C44 3E14 9245 FB00 3ED5 C506 1EA9 ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
how to list file and sort by filename using ls
Now I should say good afternoon :) Using either ls -ul or ls -cl(which are supposed to sort by name according to manual, if I understood and used correctly), I just can't list files and sort them by filenames. Google results of key word sort by name linux ls is pretty much the same as man ls, not helpful. OS: Redhat Enterprise. Any clue? Thanks, Zhao P.S.sorry if this sounds UNbelievably naive/stupid. :) ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
Re: how to list file and sort by filename using ls
On Monday 24 April 2006 3:46 pm, Zhao Peng wrote: Now I should say good afternoon :) Using either ls -ul or ls -cl(which are supposed to sort by name according to manual, if I understood and used correctly), I just can't list files and sort them by filenames. Google results of key word sort by name linux ls is pretty much the same as man ls, not helpful. OS: Redhat Enterprise. Try info ls GNU likes to live up to it's GNU is Not Unix. Here is a section that should give you what you want. An excerpt: 10.1.3 Sorting the output - These options change the order in which `ls' sorts the information it outputs. By default, sorting is done by character code (e.g., ASCII order). -- Jerry Feldman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Boston Linux and Unix user group http://www.blu.org PGP key id:C5061EA9 PGP Key fingerprint:053C 73EC 3AC1 5C44 3E14 9245 FB00 3ED5 C506 1EA9 ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
Re: how to list file and sort by filename using ls
On Monday 24 April 2006 3:46 pm, Zhao Peng wrote: Now I should say good afternoon :) Using either ls -ul or ls -cl(which are supposed to sort by name according to manual, if I understood and used correctly), I just can't list files and sort them by filenames. I forgot to mention that the Locale settings affect the sort order also. -- Jerry Feldman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Boston Linux and Unix user group http://www.blu.org PGP key id:C5061EA9 PGP Key fingerprint:053C 73EC 3AC1 5C44 3E14 9245 FB00 3ED5 C506 1EA9 ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
Re: how to list file and sort by filename using ls
Zhao Peng writes: Using either ls -ul or ls -cl(which are supposed to sort by name according to manual, if I understood and used correctly), I just can't list files and sort them by filenames. 1: can you show us the output of the following: echo $LANG 2: Does this do what you want?: LANG=C ls -ul I'll bet that the output of ls is sorted, but just not in the order that you expected. Regards, --kevin -- GnuPG ID: B280F24E And the madness of the crowd alumni.unh.edu!kdc Is an epileptic fit -- Tom Waits ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
how to list file and sort by filename using ls
output of echo $LANG: en_US.UTF-8 LANG=C ls -ul does do what I expected to do. What does C mean? character? Thank you, Kevin. Zhao 1: can you show us the output of the following: echo $LANG 2: Does this do what you want?: LANG=C ls -ul I'll bet that the output of ls is sorted, but just not in the order that you expected. Regards, ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
Re: how to list file and sort by filename using ls
On 4/24/06, Zhao Peng [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: output of echo $LANG: en_US.UTF-8 LANG=C ls -ul does do what I expected to do. What does C mean? character? C means C, as in the C programming language. When you say LANG=C, you tell the system you want the old-fashioned sort order based on encoded character values (typically ASCII) that C always used. With LANG=C, the system isn't locale or language aware, and just does a simple numeric comparison of characters. This means, for example, that capital letters sort before lowercase letters. This tends to fail miserably with non-Latin character sets (i.e., not US or Western Europe). With LANG=en_US.UTF-8, the system is being told two things. One, the sort order should be as proper for the English language in the US. (That means case-insensitive sorts and such.) Second, character encoding should be assumed to be UTF-8. UTF-8 is a method of encoding Unicode characters which is backwards-compatible with ASCII. Anything which is legal ASCII encodes to the same value in UTF-8; higher order characters (which are never legal in ASCII) get encoded using multiple bytes (varying lengths, depending on the Unicode character). -- Ben ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
Re: how to list file and sort by filename using ls
On Monday 24 April 2006 4:33 pm, Zhao Peng wrote: output of echo $LANG: en_US.UTF-8 LANG=C ls -ul does do what I expected to do. What does C mean? character? This is the C locale. It will change the sort order. -- Jerry Feldman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Boston Linux and Unix user group http://www.blu.org PGP key id:C5061EA9 PGP Key fingerprint:053C 73EC 3AC1 5C44 3E14 9245 FB00 3ED5 C506 1EA9 ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
Re: how to list file and sort by filename using ls
Zhao Peng [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
output of echo $LANG:
en_US.UTF-8
LANG=C ls -ul does do what I expected to do.
What does C mean? character?
To be more specific, I probably should have specified LC_COLLATE
instead of LANG. No big deal.
All of this stuff refers to locale settings, which all relates to
internationalization (which is frequently abbrebiated I18N).
I think that this web page gives a good description of what UTF-8 is:
http://docs.sun.com/app/docs/doc/805-4123/6j3tmpc75?a=view
UTF-8 is a file system safe Universal Character Set Transformation
Format of Unicode / ISO/IEC 10646-1 formulated by XoJIG of X/Open
in 1992 and approved by ISO and IEC as Amendment 2 to ISO/IEC
10646-1:1993 in 1996.
This is a far more precise description of what UTF-8 is than I can
conjure up at this time of day. (-:
So, part of the notion of a locale is a *character set*, and
furthermore, there is an associated way to *collate/sort* these
characters as well.
en_US.UTF-8 sees 'a' and 'A' as being equivalent when these are
sorted.
When LANG=C, your telling the system that you want the {old, default,
non-I18N, characters are functionally at most 1*sizeof(char) wide,
this is how the C language originally did it} manner of
sorting/collating. In this locale, 'a' and A are different.
Many people, including myself, are more used to the C locale's way
of sorting, but we can see the merits of other locales too.
You can learn more by reading the man pages for locale, setlocale(),
strcoll(), etc.
Regards,
--kevin
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Re: Slashdot: IT: Verizon's Aggressive New Spam Filter Causing Problems
Jerry Feldman wrote: On Monday 24 April 2006 2:33 pm, Ben Scott wrote: On 4/24/06, Jerry Feldman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: aviancarrier writes Verizon DSL has turned on a very aggressive spam filter that is blocking lots of long-time legitimate emails Telco's suck. Film at 11. After that report, a special report: AOL sucks too. ;-) Don't let Verizon see you dong that or they'll remove the wires from your house!!! I don't have Verizon for my home phone, the local phone company here is TDS.. But, even still, I have no telco wires attached to my house. :) Earthlink cable, DirecTV, and Broadvoice. ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
Re: how to list file and sort by filename using ls
Zhao Peng [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Now I should say good afternoon :) Using either ls -ul or ls -cl(which are supposed to sort by name according to manual, if I understood and used correctly), I just can't list files and sort them by filenames. Others have mentioned the values of various environment variables, which is usualy my second place to look, the first being the man page :) DESCRIPTION List information about the FILEs (the current directory by default). Sort entries alphabetically if none of -cftuSUX nor --sort. The DESCRIPTION clearly states that the default behavior is to sort listings alphabetically. *Furthermore*, it implies that and of -cftuSUX or --sort *ALTER* the default output. So, what do -c and -u do? -c with -lt: sort by, and show, ctime (time of last modification of file status information) with -l: show ctime and sort by name otherwise: sort by ctime -u with -lt: sort by, and show, access time with -l: show access time and sort by name otherwise: sort by access time So, there you have it, -c and -u, when used with -l do more than just sort by name. -c sorts by ctime, -u sorts by name, then access time. hth. -- Seeya, Paul ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
Re: how to list file and sort by filename using ls
On 4/24/06, Paul Lussier [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No matter how many man pages you read, or web sites you click on resulting from googling this porblme, the only thing which will help is setting LANG=C the way KR meant things to be. Heh. I sympathize. I too pine for the days when everything was ASCII and characters could fit into a 7-bit byte and things were simple. Those days are rapidly passing. There are billions of people in the world whose language won't fit nicely into ASCII, and they want to use the Internet, too. We live in interesting times. -- Ben ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
