Re: pcHDTV 5500 card - Connector comes loose?

2007-03-04 Thread Jon 'maddog' Hall
Ben,

I have not checked my card yet to see if this is indeed the situation,
or if yours was just a defect in manufacturing, but I will send your
email along to the owner of the company that makes the board, for both
input to their design/manufacturing process and/or for a replacement
board if it is a defect.

maddog

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MythTV Installfest Beta Announcement - March 31st: 10:00 A.M.

2007-03-04 Thread Jon 'maddog' Hall
Hello,

As people on this mailing list may know, we have been talking about
having an installation fest for MythTV (www.mythtv.org), a piece of FOSS
that allows your PC to act like a TV recorder,
photo repository and music repository all in one.  We have determined
that a lot of people would like to do this, but it currently is fairly
technical, has a fair number of decisions and issues that need to be
discussed or learned, and as a
do-it-yourself-in-the-isolation-of-your-own-home has caused grown men
(and women) to gnash their teeth and rent their clothes, often taking
more than three days (if ever) to get the installation right.

Yesterday we had the .01 release of this MythTV Installation Fest held
at The New Hampshire Technical Institute in Concord, New Hampshire.  A
full report on this will be coming out in the near future, but we
believe that we learned a lot while at the same time getting some people
completely through the installation process.  We thankfully acknowledge
the guidance,
expertise and good humor of Jarod Wilson, and the facilities of
the New Hampshire Technial Institute (NHTI).

We are ready to move on to the Beta copy of this procedure, which will include
recommended (if not required) hardware specifications, a
recommended ^h^h^h^h^h^h^h^h^h^h^h required software installation, and the
name of your cable supplier.  We will also be requiring a web-signup, which 
will not
only help us schedule the time, but make sure that you understand the issues
around this project, and that you bring the appropriate hardware and 
information.

More on the requirements and needed information will be forthcoming.

However, we have also decided to hold this Beta (open to GNHLUG members and
NHTI students on a FCFS basis) on March 31st starting at 1000.  I am telling
you this now so those of you who are interested in participating at this (still 
early)
stage may reserve March 31st for this effort.

If this Beta is successful we will then try opening this up to the general
public at a time following March 31st, probably by several weeks to allow time
for final tweaking.  We will also need time to advertise the offering and have 
sign-up.

We anticipate that the lessons learned from yesterday's .01 event will greatly
enhance both the success ratio and shorten the installation time of the 
software for the
Beta on March 31st.

I also anticipate that the lessons learned from both yesterday's .01 offering 
and
this upcoming beta may allow us to generate steps to allow MythTV to become 
mainstream
(or at least something that will not be a three-day marathon of frustration).

If you are interested in participating in this next stage, please keep March 
31st
open, and await further details as they unfold.  I anticipate that the next 
announcement will
tell people the type of hardware we require, some places to buy that hardware if
needed, and the availability of a sign-up sheet so people can indicate their 
desire to
join in the Beta.

Warmest regards,

maddog


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Re: MythTV Installfest Beta Announcement - March 31st: 10:00 A.M.

2007-03-04 Thread Greg Kettmann
I think that would be a great idea and the location is convenient. 

I've been reading the MythTV mailing list for several months and have 
been collecting components (and my thoughts).  I'd be interested to know 
what your recommendations would be, particularly for the capture card 
(PCR-150?) and the output card (NVidia 5200 family??).  Any discussion 
of audio (5.1 and no clue for a card but it would nice if it were 
bundled into one of the other cards).  Are you expecting to use Fedora 
Core for the distribution?  I've been using Ubuntu lately and have been 
impressed, but I think the MythTV list seems to prefer Fedora. 

Interestingly it was a GNHLUG meeting, on the Seacoast, where I learned 
to hack my DirecTiVo, which is still hacked and still running, although 
a bit long on the tooth. 


I'll watch the list(s) with interest.  GGK



Jon 'maddog' Hall wrote:

Hello,

As people on this mailing list may know, we have been talking about
having an installation fest for MythTV (www.mythtv.org), a piece of FOSS
that allows your PC to act like a TV recorder,
photo repository and music repository all in one.  We have determined
that a lot of people would like to do this, but it currently is fairly
technical, has a fair number of decisions and issues that need to be
discussed or learned, and as a
do-it-yourself-in-the-isolation-of-your-own-home has caused grown men
(and women) to gnash their teeth and rent their clothes, often taking
more than three days (if ever) to get the installation right.

Yesterday we had the .01 release of this MythTV Installation Fest held
at The New Hampshire Technical Institute in Concord, New Hampshire.  A
full report on this will be coming out in the near future, but we
believe that we learned a lot while at the same time getting some people
completely through the installation process.  We thankfully acknowledge
the guidance,
expertise and good humor of Jarod Wilson, and the facilities of
the New Hampshire Technial Institute (NHTI).

We are ready to move on to the Beta copy of this procedure, which will include
recommended (if not required) hardware specifications, a
recommended ^h^h^h^h^h^h^h^h^h^h^h required software installation, and the
name of your cable supplier.  We will also be requiring a web-signup, which 
will not
only help us schedule the time, but make sure that you understand the issues
around this project, and that you bring the appropriate hardware and 
information.

More on the requirements and needed information will be forthcoming.

However, we have also decided to hold this Beta (open to GNHLUG members and
NHTI students on a FCFS basis) on March 31st starting at 1000.  I am telling
you this now so those of you who are interested in participating at this (still 
early)
stage may reserve March 31st for this effort.

If this Beta is successful we will then try opening this up to the general
public at a time following March 31st, probably by several weeks to allow time
for final tweaking.  We will also need time to advertise the offering and have 
sign-up.

We anticipate that the lessons learned from yesterday's .01 event will greatly
enhance both the success ratio and shorten the installation time of the 
software for the
Beta on March 31st.

I also anticipate that the lessons learned from both yesterday's .01 offering 
and
this upcoming beta may allow us to generate steps to allow MythTV to become 
mainstream
(or at least something that will not be a three-day marathon of frustration).

If you are interested in participating in this next stage, please keep March 
31st
open, and await further details as they unfold.  I anticipate that the next 
announcement will
tell people the type of hardware we require, some places to buy that hardware if
needed, and the availability of a sign-up sheet so people can indicate their 
desire to
join in the Beta.

Warmest regards,

maddog


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Re: MythTV Installfest Beta Announcement - March 31st: 10:00 A.M.

2007-03-04 Thread Jon 'maddog' Hall
Greg, et. al.,

 I've been reading the MythTV mailing list for several months and have 
 been collecting components (and my thoughts).  I'd be interested to
 know 
 what your recommendations would be, particularly for the capture card 
 (PCR-150?) and the output card (NVidia 5200 family??).  Any
 discussion 
 of audio (5.1 and no clue for a card but it would nice if it were 
 bundled into one of the other cards).  Are you expecting to use
 Fedora 
 Core for the distribution?  I've been using Ubuntu lately and have
 been 
 impressed, but I think the MythTV list seems to prefer Fedora.

We have been working on this MythTV installathon for some time on the
gnhlug organizer's list.

I sent out this first announcement to the greater list just to tell
people what is going on, and to let them reserve the day of March 31st.

All of these questions will be answered (and I can tell you that you are
fairly close with your configuration thoughts), but I beg that the list
wait for a couple of days for us to tally up the information that we got
from the pilot, get the recommendations nailed down, and then send out
the recommended systems, distributions, etc.  I hope it will mean a
better signal-to-noise ratio for the list.

If people want to do something different, with different cards, etc.
then we can consider that over time.  But for right now let's look at an
2N problem rather than an N**2 problem.

And of course if people want to discuss this endlessly on the discuss
list in the meantime, that is what it is for (I guess), but I think it
might be better if people wait a day or two to see what the
recommendations are, and why.

Warmest regards,

maddog

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Re: pcHDTV 5500 card - Connector comes loose?

2007-03-04 Thread Paul Lussier
Ben Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

   Can other owners of the pcHDTV 5500 confirm their card shares this
 (ahem) feature?  If so, any ideas on improving the attachment, so
 that a poorly aimed mouse fart won't knock it off the tuner module
 again?

Who's the manufacturer of this card? I'd like to know so I can avoid them...

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Re: pcHDTV 5500 card - Connector comes loose?

2007-03-04 Thread Thomas Charron

 pcHDTV is the Linux HDTV card.

 www.pchdtv.com, the only manufacturer I've heard of which released
Linux drivers with no Windows drivers.

On 3/4/07, Paul Lussier [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Ben Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

   Can other owners of the pcHDTV 5500 confirm their card shares this
 (ahem) feature?  If so, any ideas on improving the attachment, so
 that a poorly aimed mouse fart won't knock it off the tuner module
 again?

Who's the manufacturer of this card? I'd like to know so I can avoid them...

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Re: pcHDTV 5500 card - Connector comes loose?

2007-03-04 Thread Travis Roy
Also, its one of the few, if not only, HD cards that doesn't look at  
the broadcast flag.



On Mar 4, 2007, at 9:59 PM, Thomas Charron wrote:


 pcHDTV is the Linux HDTV card.

 www.pchdtv.com, the only manufacturer I've heard of which released
Linux drivers with no Windows drivers.

On 3/4/07, Paul Lussier [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Ben Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

   Can other owners of the pcHDTV 5500 confirm their card shares  
this

 (ahem) feature?  If so, any ideas on improving the attachment, so
 that a poorly aimed mouse fart won't knock it off the tuner module
 again?

Who's the manufacturer of this card? I'd like to know so I can  
avoid them...


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MythTV hardware (was: MythTV Installfest Beta...)

2007-03-04 Thread Ben Scott

On 3/4/07, Greg Kettmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

I'd be interested to know what your recommendations would be ...


 As maddog said, our InstallFest will have some kind of
recommendations/requirements -- a Hardware Compatibility List (HCL),
as we say in the pro IT world.  The plan is that if you stick to the
HCL, you will have good results.  If you're looking for minimal
frustration and maximum ease-of-use, I suggest waiting for that.

 That said, not everyone will be attending said event(s), there may
be other options than our HCL (which is as much about our own limited
resources in not being able to support 50 different cards), and (most
of all) this list displays a incorrigible tendency to diverge from
stated topic, so here's an attempt to at least mark the discussion
with a different Subject line.  :)

 This has been a topic of discussion on gnhlug-discuss over the past
couple months; you may want to search the archives for mythtv:

http://news.gmane.org/gmane.org.user-groups.linux.gnhlug

 There is also a GNHLUG webpage:

http://wiki.gnhlug.org/twiki2/bin/view/Www/MythTV


... capture card (PCR-150?) ...


 Hauppauge has apparently discontinued the PVR-150 card, but
continues to put out boxes labeled PVR-150 which instead contain the
HVR-1600 card.  This wouldn't be such a big deal, except that the
PVR-150 works with Linux and the HVR-1600 doesn't.  Again, consult the
archives.


... output card (NVidia 5200 family??).


 NVIDIA definitely appears to be the preferred video output device in
the Linux world these days.  ATI's support for FOSS sucks a lot
(NVIDIA's still sucks (binary-only, closed, proprietary drivers), but
sucks less than ATI).  Intel's stuff is documented, but is slow and
targeted at business applications, not consumer multimedia.


Any discussion of audio (5.1 and no clue for a card but it would nice if it were
bundled into one of the other cards).


 Audio these days generally divides into one of two categories:

- On-board (built in to the motherboard), fair to poor quality
- Dedicated audio expansion card (Sound Blaster, et. al.), fair to
excellent quality

 It appears the on-board audio is often good enough for TV.

 Some video and/or capture cards have sound hardware, but everything
I've seen has been 2 channel stereo only.

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Re: pcHDTV 5500 card - Connector comes loose?

2007-03-04 Thread Jarod Wilson

On Mar 04, 2007, at 22:03, Travis Roy wrote:

Also, its one of the few, if not only, HD cards that doesn't look  
at the broadcast flag.



Erm, sorry, but that's just not correct on multiple levels. The  
broadcast flag was shot down, and I'm not aware of any cards on the  
market today that actually have support to look for it, and certainly  
none of them do anything with said broadcast flag, since it isn't  
sent by anyone... There are at least a dozen HDTV cards on the market  
right now that work under Linux and will happily ignore the broadcast  
flag if it somehow gets resurrected.




On Mar 4, 2007, at 9:59 PM, Thomas Charron wrote:


 pcHDTV is the Linux HDTV card.

 www.pchdtv.com, the only manufacturer I've heard of which released
Linux drivers with no Windows drivers.


This is also incorrect. They have Windows drivers too (CD image that  
ships w/the card linked below, not the directory on it containing  
Windows drivers). But they *are* the only ones who build their cards  
with Linux in mind, and worry about Linux support before Windows  
support.


http://pchdtv.com/downloads/CD_pcHDTV_2006-v2.0.tar.gz



On 3/4/07, Paul Lussier [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Ben Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

   Can other owners of the pcHDTV 5500 confirm their card shares  
this
 (ahem) feature?  If so, any ideas on improving the  
attachment, so

 that a poorly aimed mouse fart won't knock it off the tuner module
 again?

Who's the manufacturer of this card? I'd like to know so I can  
avoid them...




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