Re: Portable audio player

2007-03-06 Thread Travis Roy


(though, personally, I think the iPod deals with podcasts in a rather
crappy manner, as opposed to someone else who loved this feature...)


What do you not like about the way it deals with podcasts? I'm curious.

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Re: Portable audio player

2007-03-06 Thread Paul Lussier
Cole Tuininga <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> Hey folks - 
>
> I've been starting to go to the gym quasi-regularly, so I think it may
> finally be time to break down and get a portable audio player.  Looking
> for any suggestions...  My requirements are:
>
> * Inexpensive
> * Linux compatible
> * Inexpensive
> * mp3 playback (ogg would be nice, but not required)
> * Inexpensive
> * Has a standard 1/8" headphone jack (are there any that don't?)
> * Inexpensive

I've heard good things about the iRiver, but have no personal
experience.  I'm perfeclty happy with my iPod, but then, I also have a
Mac :)

(though, personally, I think the iPod deals with podcasts in a rather
crappy manner, as opposed to someone else who loved this feature...)
-- 
Seeya,
Paul
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Re: [Fwd: Re: pcHDTV 5500 card - Connector comes loose?]

2007-03-06 Thread Ben Scott

On 3/6/07, Jon 'maddog' Hall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

I received an answer from the President of pcHDTV.  Apparently the
sleeve is that way by design.


 Ah-ha.  Neil Schelly had the right of it after all.

 I can't say I'm overly impressed with the design of this
"break-away" connector [1], but I guess it does afford some protection
for very little additional manufacturing cost.  It is certainly good
to know they actually put some thought into it.

 Given that others have complained about the same thing [2], it might
be a good idea for the manufacturer to put a note card in the box
saying it is by design.

Footnotes
-
[1] It comes off *too* easy.  It also transmits any stress that
doesn't pull the connector off (such as side-to-side flexing) into the
solder joins for the tuner module.  I would much prefer the connector
be attached to the bracket for strain relief.  That would not preclude
the use of a slide-on barrel on the outside of the card for break-away
purposes.
[2] http://applications.linux.com/print.pl?sid=06/12/19/1627229
   http://software.newsforge.com/software/06/12/19/1628229.shtml?tid=75&tid=130

-- Ben
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[Fwd: Re: pcHDTV 5500 card - Connector comes loose?]

2007-03-06 Thread Jon 'maddog' Hall
Hi,

I received an answer from the President of pcHDTV.  Apparently the
sleeve is that way by design.

His letter follows.

maddog

 Forwarded Message 
From: Jack Steven Kelliher
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: pcHDTV 5500 card - Connector comes loose?
Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2007 16:55:03 -0700

Hello,

There is an connector on the card that is not attached but pressure
fit.  This protects the connector mounted on the tuner can from damage
if the coax gets pulled.   If the connector is not snug we can replace
it free of charge  we just need an address to send it to.  If the
connect on the turner broke then please email with their shipping
address and I'll send out an new card with return label for the
defective card UPS next day.  In the past we found a number of returns
and problems when people pulled or tripped on the coax and  bent or
broke the tuner can connector so this design protects it from damage.

Thanks,

Jack Kelliher
pcHDTV, Inc.


On Mon, 2007-03-05 at 09:04 -0500, Jon 'maddog' Hall wrote:
> On Mon, 2007-03-05 at 08:14 -0500, Ben Scott wrote:
> > On 3/3/07, Ben Scott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > When I went to connect it to the CATV line, the F connector popped
> > > right off the card.
> > 
> >   I found that the manufacturer's own product photos show the slide-on
> > barrel connector extender I mentioned, so this is apparently "by
> > design":
> > 
> > http://www.pchdtv.com/images/image006.jpg
> > 
> >   It occurs to me that I can probably fix it
> 
> I did send your original comments on to the manufacturer, and given
> their past responsiveness, I would expect some type of answer back soon.
> It is just that they may be less responsive on a Sunday when some people
> are not at work.
> 
> If, in the meantime, you would like to return the board and get your
> money back on the card, please do not "modify" it.  I have not cashed
> your check, and would be happy to return the check to you if you are
> genuinely unhappy with the board, but any modifications that you might
> do to it might void the warranty
> and I would not be able to return it.
> 
> I would need all the paperwork, CD, box (well, maybe not the box, but
> the other stuff) too, so I could return the board to the manufacturer.
> 
> > Why the manufacturer didn't do something like this 
> > themselves, I have no idea.
> 
> Greater cost in manufacturing.  Lack of perception that this would be an
> issue.
> 
> There are two issues here:
> 
> o one is that the barrel sleeve slid off, which could be a defect in
> manufacturing and not design.  This caused a board failure, which you
> experienced.  We have yet to determine whether it was a single unit
> failure or not.  We will see.
> 
> o the second is that the strain is put on the solder joints of the tuner
> card, which might be undesirable, but has not yet caused a failure mode
> that we know of.
> 
> >Why does everything have to suck so much?
> 
> Usually economics, but sometimes just oversight.  In this case I would
> lean towards oversight, since I would consider this a premium board, and
> would be willing to pay a dollar or two more for something ruggedly
> constructed.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> maddog
> =
> >  From: 
> > Ben Scott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >To: 
> > Greater NH Linux User Group
> > 
> >   Subject: 
> > Re: pcHDTV 5500 card - Connector
> > comes loose?
> >  Date: 
> > Mon, 05 Mar 2007 08:14:35 -0500
> 
> 
> On 3/3/07, Ben Scott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > When I went to connect it to the CATV line, the F connector popped
> > right off the card.
> 
>   I found that the manufacturer's own product photos show the slide-on
> barrel connector extender I mentioned, so this is apparently "by
> design":
> 
> http://www.pchdtv.com/images/image006.jpg
> 
>   It occurs to me that I can probably fix it by replacing the slide-on
> connector they used with a screw-on type.  That will at least keep the
> connector-extender from sliding off the tuner module's connector lug.
> I might have to file down the points of the screw-on connector to get
> it to clear the hole in the mounting bracket, but that shouldn't be
> too hard.
> 
>   That should additionally let me put a couple of nuts on either side
> of the mounting bracket, for strain relief.  Right now, any cable
> movement is transmitted right to the solder joints of the tuner
> module, which is Not Good(TM).  Nuts on either side of the bracket,
> tightened down to the bracket, should move that stress to the bracket,
> where it belongs.
> 
>   Why the manufacturer didn't do something like this themselves, I have
> no idea.
> 
>   I got this card because their Linux support is supposed to be
> outstanding, but I'm obviously unhappy it has such a stupid design
> flaw.  This hearkens back to a q

Re: Portable audio player (hands down the best one ever)

2007-03-06 Thread Travis Roy


Mac/Linux compatible (it shows up as a normal USB drive, SOO MUCH  
BETTER than some crappy sync software, imho, *cough* itunes)


I just wanted to comment on this quickly.. As an avid podcast  
listener, I must say the way iTunes/iPod deals with this is awesome  
(and in some respects, audiobooks).


You can setup iTunes to download your podcasts and either keep them  
all, or automatically delete the ones you've listened to. When you  
sync you can sync them all, or only unplayed ones. This means you can  
keep your podcast archive and not take up tones of room or have to  
manually manage your portable player.


The other nice thing is that when it syncs it remembers your place.  
This means I can be 1/3rd of the way through a podcast on my way to  
work, sync my iPod with iTunes and when I click play on that podcast  
in iTunes it will be right where I left off in the car.. Listen to  
say another 1/3rd and sync again before I leave and then when I jump  
in the car it's right where I left off.


I -LOVE- this feature.

Also, the ability to do rankings while in the car and have them  
translate over to iTunes is good for sorting. I actually have an  
unrated playlist I listen to in order to weed out stuff I don't like  
that I haven't had a chance to get to yet, or just acquired.


There are some very good advantages to having some good quality media  
management software that ties in well with your portable player.  
iTunes isn't the only one, but some of the other software's names  
escape me at the moment.


--Travis

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Re: Portable audio player (hands down the best one ever)

2007-03-06 Thread Matt Snell
On Tue, Mar 06, 2007 at 04:04:30PM -0500, Christopher Chisholm wrote:

> http://www.cowonamerica.com/products/
> 
> they have a wide range of players, but the iAudio g3 was the one i 
> chose, due to these features:

Any idea how well this one handles bookmarking?  I primarily listen to
netcasts and need to be able to leave off and pick up when I'm going in and
out of where ever.  I've heard talk that some devices have difficulty with
this.



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Re: Portable audio player (hands down the best one ever)

2007-03-06 Thread Travis Roy




I got an mp3 player for my sister for christmas.  I'm one of those  
guys that spend like a week researching anything before i buy it,  
no matter how trivial.  the best one i found was from a company  
called Cowon.


http://www.cowonamerica.com/products/




I have a friend that has the A2 and I must say it is very nice. The  
only gripe is that the joystick control feels like its going to snap  
like a twig (but it hasn't).


they have a wide range of players, but the iAudio g3 was the one i  
chose, due to these features:


MP3/WMA/ASF/WAV/OGG Player
Voice Recording / FM Radio / Direct MP3 Encoding / Removable Disk
Up to 50 hrs of playback (not far from accurate)
Mac/Linux compatible (it shows up as a normal USB drive, SOO MUCH  
BETTER than some crappy sync software, imho, *cough* itunes)


one cool features is that it has a standard 1/8" for line-in, which  
can directly encode CDs to mp3 (auto track seperation on silence).
it's a litle bit on the pricey side ($90 for 1gb, $120 for 2),  
but for what you get it's worth it.  plus i think some of their  
other models are cheaper.


-chris


Cole Tuininga wrote:

Hey folks -
I've been starting to go to the gym quasi-regularly, so I think it  
may
finally be time to break down and get a portable audio player.   
Looking

for any suggestions...  My requirements are:

* Inexpensive
* Linux compatible
* Inexpensive
* mp3 playback (ogg would be nice, but not required)
* Inexpensive
* Has a standard 1/8" headphone jack (are there any that don't?)
* Inexpensive

I don't need something huge - a GB or so would be plenty.  Thoughts?
Thanks in advance!




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Re: Portable audio player (hands down the best one ever)

2007-03-06 Thread Christopher Chisholm


I got an mp3 player for my sister for christmas.  I'm one of those guys 
that spend like a week researching anything before i buy it, no matter 
how trivial.  the best one i found was from a company called Cowon.


http://www.cowonamerica.com/products/

they have a wide range of players, but the iAudio g3 was the one i 
chose, due to these features:


MP3/WMA/ASF/WAV/OGG Player
Voice Recording / FM Radio / Direct MP3 Encoding / Removable Disk
Up to 50 hrs of playback (not far from accurate)
Mac/Linux compatible (it shows up as a normal USB drive, SOO MUCH BETTER 
than some crappy sync software, imho, *cough* itunes)


one cool features is that it has a standard 1/8" for line-in, which can 
directly encode CDs to mp3 (auto track seperation on silence). 

it's a litle bit on the pricey side ($90 for 1gb, $120 for 2), but 
for what you get it's worth it.  plus i think some of their other models 
are cheaper.


-chris


Cole Tuininga wrote:
Hey folks - 


I've been starting to go to the gym quasi-regularly, so I think it may
finally be time to break down and get a portable audio player.  Looking
for any suggestions...  My requirements are:

* Inexpensive
* Linux compatible
* Inexpensive
* mp3 playback (ogg would be nice, but not required)
* Inexpensive
* Has a standard 1/8" headphone jack (are there any that don't?)
* Inexpensive

I don't need something huge - a GB or so would be plenty.  Thoughts?  


Thanks in advance!

  


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Re: Portable audio player

2007-03-06 Thread Jared Watkins

Cole Tuininga wrote:

I've been starting to go to the gym quasi-regularly, so I think it may

I don't need something huge - a GB or so would be plenty.  Thoughts?  

  
I tend to like the iaudio line... easy to use with a great feature set 
and supported file types.  I have the 1G version of this model that has 
been out for a while.


http://www.amazon.com/Cowon-iAudio-Player-Voice-Recorders/dp/B00080QYRK/ref=pd_bbs_sr_6/105-3491267-9083667?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1173213344&sr=8-6


Jared

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Re: Portable audio player

2007-03-06 Thread Mark E. Mallett

If you aren't in any rush, woot (www.woot.com) has cheap mp3 players
from time to time.  And today they had a two-fer FM transmitter that
would have gone well with it :)

-mm-   (who mainly just likes typing 'woot')

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Re: Portable audio player

2007-03-06 Thread Drew Van Zandt

They still have this...
http://www.neurosaudio.com/store/product.asp?catalog%5Fname=DigitalInnovationsCatalog&product%5Fid=4010207&keyword=neuros&searchcat=products

--DTVZ

On 3/6/07, Steven W. Orr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

On Tuesday, Mar 6th 2007 at 13:31 -0500, quoth Mark Komarinski:

=>On 03/06/2007 12:42 PM, Steven W. Orr wrote:
=>> There was a company a few years back that sold a player that was running
=>> linux. It played anything. It also had a transmitter so you could be at
=>> someone's house and use his stereo system by setting his FM tuner at 88.1
=>> The problem is I forget their name.
=>>
=>Are you thinking the Neuros?
=>
=>-Mark
=>

That's it! (I hate old age.)

http://www.neurosaudio.com/

It looks like they're out of the mp3 player biz and now into linux based
AV systems.

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Re: Portable audio player

2007-03-06 Thread Bill Sconce
On Tue, 06 Mar 2007 12:16:15 -0500
Cole Tuininga <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> 
> Hey folks - 
> 
> I've been starting to go to the gym quasi-regularly, so I think it may
> finally be time to break down and get a portable audio player.  Looking
> for any suggestions...  My requirements are:
> 
> * Inexpensive
> * Linux compatible
> * Inexpensive
> * mp3 playback (ogg would be nice, but not required)
> * Inexpensive
> * Has a standard 1/8" headphone jack (are there any that don't?)
> * Inexpensive
> 
> I don't need something huge - a GB or so would be plenty.  Thoughts?  


I recently bought my own first venture into this stuff.
>From Circuit City, where (incredibly) the clerk on duty was
a Linux geek, who suggested a:

Samsung YP-U2J
1GB
~$70

It's white, the length and width of a USB "thumbdrive" device,
with a playlist, 1/8" headphone jack, and an FM receiver. It's
Linux compatible. 

Actually, it *is* a USB "thumbdrive" device: you plug it into a
USB port, do a "mount -t VFAT" etc. and you're off to the races.
Because you can load it by "moving files onto a USB disk" (that is,
by shell commands) it has proven especially handy for podcasts to
listen to in the car.

It plays Ogg as well as MP3.

One caveat: you have to install the non-US firmware.  As delivered
the device works only with a certain manufacturer's "Media Center",
whatever that is.  The firmware is available from the mfr's (non US)
support sites on the Web.  (I still have the installer I used, if
anyone wants to put Ogg on a YP-U2J.)

.02
-Bill

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Re: Portable audio player

2007-03-06 Thread Steven W. Orr
On Tuesday, Mar 6th 2007 at 13:31 -0500, quoth Mark Komarinski:

=>On 03/06/2007 12:42 PM, Steven W. Orr wrote:
=>> There was a company a few years back that sold a player that was running 
=>> linux. It played anything. It also had a transmitter so you could be at 
=>> someone's house and use his stereo system by setting his FM tuner at 88.1
=>> The problem is I forget their name.
=>>   
=>Are you thinking the Neuros?
=>
=>-Mark
=>

That's it! (I hate old age.)

http://www.neurosaudio.com/

It looks like they're out of the mp3 player biz and now into linux based 
AV systems.

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Re: Portable audio player

2007-03-06 Thread Mark Komarinski
On 03/06/2007 12:42 PM, Steven W. Orr wrote:
> There was a company a few years back that sold a player that was running 
> linux. It played anything. It also had a transmitter so you could be at 
> someone's house and use his stereo system by setting his FM tuner at 88.1
> The problem is I forget their name.
>   
Are you thinking the Neuros?

-Mark
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Re: Portable audio player

2007-03-06 Thread Shawn K. O'Shea


* Inexpensive
* Linux compatible
* Inexpensive
* mp3 playback (ogg would be nice, but not required)
* Inexpensive
* Has a standard 1/8" headphone jack (are there any that don't?)
* Inexpensive


A little over a year ago, I bought my best friend a SanDisk Sansa
player from their e100 series
(http://www.sandisk.com/Products/Catalog(1073)-SanDisk_Sansa_e100_Series_MP3_Players.aspx).
MSRP on the 512MB is 60$ and the 1GB is 90$. It comes with an FM radio
tuner and an SD card slot for expansion. She loves hers. I bought it
at one of the office stores (Office Depot or the now defunct Office
Max) and it even had a rebate on it at the time.

I can't guarentee it will work with Linux, but under Windows, it just
comes up as a USB mass storage device (and off course, you could
always preload SD cards with a supported Linux reader).

Some very quick google's show that there has been success at least
with the e200 series with automounters sticking them on /media/ so it's likely that the e100 series is the same.

-Shawn
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Re: Portable audio player

2007-03-06 Thread Michael ODonnell


I hate rebates but one of these (conformance to your reqs: unknown)
might be worth a shot:

  
http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/ProductDetail.jsp?ProductCode=382325-5&prodlist=dealnews
 
  http://www.surpluscomputers.com/store/Main.aspx?p=ItemDetail&item=CES11440

...and there's always:

  http://www.pricewatch.com/mp3_players/
 
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Re: Portable audio player

2007-03-06 Thread aluminumsulfate
> From: Cole Tuininga <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2007 12:16:15 -0500

> I've been starting to go to the gym quasi-regularly, so I think it may
> finally be time to break down and get a portable audio player.  Looking
> for any suggestions...  My requirements are:

I would suggest (maybe even recommend) silence.  A workout can be a
good meditation.

But, assuming you *need* pleasing sounds at the gym...

> * Inexpensive
> * Inexpensive
> * Inexpensive

Wal-Fart has a cheap RCA Lyra for $30.  It has 256MB built in storage
and an SD slot for additional storage.  It has a mini USB adapter,
takes 1 AAA battery, and has an 1/8" headphone jack.  It has
once-through, loop, and shuffle modes, but has no playlist
functionality.

mp3s can be stored in multiple directories but are all sorted
alphabetically by filename on boot, so the sort order of the base
filenames is the order in which they appear in the player.  When an
expansion card is inserted, the names are sorted right in with those
on internal storage.  The card can be inserted/removed without
powering down the device, although the player takes a moment to
reindex itself when this is done.  AFAIK, ogg is not supported.

The device appears, under Linux, as a two USB MSDs.  So it can double
as an SD card reader.  Partitions created by fdisk and filesystems
created by mkfs.vfat are both properly recognized by the device, so it
is Linux-friendly.  I think it also has some goofey DSP modes to give
the music certain special effects, but I never use them.

STAY AWAY FROM the 1GB Ilo player!  Last I saw, it was selling at
Mal-Mart for about $60.  It has MANY problems, both in terms of
hardware and Linux compatibility.  It has a built-in DRM which is
overly strict and automatically skips legitimate mp3s.  It can play
PCM WAV files, but WAVs recorded at different sample rates often play
back at a lower volume (or not at all).  The built-in microphone (used
for the voice recording functionality) sucks.  The device also does
not properly interperet x86 partition tables or FAT filesystems
created with mkfs.vfat.  Trust me, I tried!  Online, I read that the
mic has only 2-bit sample depth and that the headphone jack is prone
to breaking off the PCB.  All in all, the Ilo isn't much more than a
glorified SD card reader.

Or, you can invest in some silence, which is probably the cheapest,
most readily available of MP3 devicery. :)
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Re: Portable audio player

2007-03-06 Thread Steven W. Orr
On Tuesday, Mar 6th 2007 at 12:16 -0500, quoth Cole Tuininga:

=>
=>Hey folks - 
=>
=>I've been starting to go to the gym quasi-regularly, so I think it may
=>finally be time to break down and get a portable audio player.  Looking
=>for any suggestions...  My requirements are:
=>
=>* Inexpensive
=>* Linux compatible
=>* Inexpensive
=>* mp3 playback (ogg would be nice, but not required)
=>* Inexpensive
=>* Has a standard 1/8" headphone jack (are there any that don't?)
=>* Inexpensive
=>
=>I don't need something huge - a GB or so would be plenty.  Thoughts?  

There was a company a few years back that sold a player that was running 
linux. It played anything. It also had a transmitter so you could be at 
someone's house and use his stereo system by setting his FM tuner at 88.1
The problem is I forget their name.

-- 
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Re: Portable audio player

2007-03-06 Thread Travis Roy

You could check the apple refurb site:

http://store.apple.com/1-800-MY-APPLE/WebObjects/AppleStore.woa/wa/ 
RSLID?mco=32DAAC51&nclm=Certified


You might be able to pickup an ipod that can run ipod linux or  
rockbox to get your ogg support. The first gen nanos are supported by  
rockbox and the 1Gig versions are $80 on that site.


If you keep it with the Apple firmware and use it for the gym you  
could get the nike kit and hack your existing shoes to fit the  
transmitter. (that's what I did with my wife's shoes)



On Mar 6, 2007, at 12:16 PM, Cole Tuininga wrote:



Hey folks -

I've been starting to go to the gym quasi-regularly, so I think it may
finally be time to break down and get a portable audio player.   
Looking

for any suggestions...  My requirements are:

* Inexpensive
* Linux compatible
* Inexpensive
* mp3 playback (ogg would be nice, but not required)
* Inexpensive
* Has a standard 1/8" headphone jack (are there any that don't?)
* Inexpensive

I don't need something huge - a GB or so would be plenty.  Thoughts?

Thanks in advance!

--
Cole Tuininga <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
http://www.code-energy.com/

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Portable audio player

2007-03-06 Thread Cole Tuininga

Hey folks - 

I've been starting to go to the gym quasi-regularly, so I think it may
finally be time to break down and get a portable audio player.  Looking
for any suggestions...  My requirements are:

* Inexpensive
* Linux compatible
* Inexpensive
* mp3 playback (ogg would be nice, but not required)
* Inexpensive
* Has a standard 1/8" headphone jack (are there any that don't?)
* Inexpensive

I don't need something huge - a GB or so would be plenty.  Thoughts?  

Thanks in advance!

-- 
Cole Tuininga <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
http://www.code-energy.com/

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Re: [OT] From a young friend of mine...good for a laugh

2007-03-06 Thread Bill Sconce
On Tue, 06 Mar 2007 07:27:52 -0500
"Jon 'maddog' Hall" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> 
> http://www.linuxgenuineadvantage.org/


VERY GOOD.

I hope I'm still in time to be the first one on the list to
sign up!  I've downloaded the .tgz: there's a Makefile, a README,
an INSTALL, and a 482-line Perl script which does the actual
not-degrading-your-computer-if-you're-paid-up.  I'm still
reading.  And laughing.

Your young friend has a brilliant future somewhere, maddog.

b
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[OT] From a young friend of mine...good for a laugh

2007-03-06 Thread Jon 'maddog' Hall

http://www.linuxgenuineadvantage.org/



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Re: Fwd: Objections to JTC-1 Fast-Track Processing of the Ecma 376 Specification v. 0.1

2007-03-06 Thread Jon 'maddog' Hall
On Tue, 2007-03-06 at 00:30 -0500, Greg Rundlett wrote:
> And here is the official response.
> 
I sent an email back to him asking if the "official response" by the
ECMA 376 committee was posted anyplace.  If he answers back I will let
y'all know.

In the meantime I have found that our "P" member in the USA is the
American National Standards Institute (ANSI), and I will try over the
next week or so to find out who inside of ANSI is handling this beast.

I think that there was enough "stink" (I heard that nineteen different
countries objected to it) that the rest of the standards committees will
give it the hairy eyeball.

md

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