Re: Decent Graphics card / 64 bit system / imaging
> > Radeons have a comparable price/quality comparison and are supported > > by free drivers builtin to the Linux kernel, Mesa, Xorg, DRI, etc > > using specs released from ATI/AMD > > These don't. Are you speaking from actual experience or are you confusing fglrx with DRI? I have not found a card listed as supported on DRI's website that didn't work. In what situation did you find the free drivers not working on cards listed as supported? ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: Decent Graphics card / 64 bit system / imaging
On Wed, 2008-06-11 at 20:07 -0400, Arc Riley wrote: > I'm trying to understand why a majority of people on this list find it > acceptable to /recommend/ hardware only supported by proprietary > drivers You actually did a remarkably good job of explaining it yourself: > nVidia 3d acceleration is only supported with proprietary drivers These work. > Radeons have a comparable price/quality comparison and are supported > by free drivers builtin to the Linux kernel, Mesa, Xorg, DRI, etc > using specs released from ATI/AMD These don't. I don't expect that to always be the case, but for somebody with 3D work to do today, that's what it comes down to. > IMHO, every lug across the country should be crying to boycott nVidia > until they join AMD, Intel, and Via in releasing specs, if not for the > market pressure than for the pragmatic element of not needing to > install proprietary drivers to make something as basic as accelerated > video work. ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
[GNHLUG] Summer BBQ - Sunday 6 July - Loudon - All invited!
What : Summer BBQ Where: Miles Smith Farm, Loudon, NH Who : You! Members! Everybody! Date : Sunday 6 July 2008 Time : 4 PM to 7-ish PM Greetings fellow GNHLUGers! As testified by recent temperatures, summer has come around once again. That means it is time for GNHLUG's annual cookout! Let's all get together and enjoy the company of friends and colleagues -- and some darn good food! Anyone associated or connected with GNHLUG is welcome. Everyone is encouraged to take this chance to meet and mingle with other Linux enthusiasts. While primarily a social event, tech talk is inevitable at these things, and useful tips and even business opportunities often pop up. This will be a "pot-luck" BBQ. Show off your culinary or shopping skills, and please bring some kind of edible item for the party. Children are welcome! (But not as edible items.) BYOB. The menu will be coordinated at the web site (see link below). Once again, Bruce Dawson and Carole Soule have generously offered to be our hosts, at Miles Smith Farm in Loudon, NH. If you've never been there, it's a beautiful spot, with a rustic old farm house and barn, hilly fields, and an incredible view. The "farm" part isn't just a name -- it's an actual, working farm, with cows and horses, and farm products for sale. Don't let that scare you away, though -- Bruce is a certified geek, so electricity and WiFi Internet are readily available. For more information, updates, directions, and/or to RSVP, please visit: http://wiki.gnhlug.org/twiki2/bin/view/Www/SummerBBQ2008 Hope to see you all there! ___ gnhlug-announce mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-announce/ ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: Decent Graphics card / 64 bit system / imaging
> NVidia's track record for Linux support is better. Hmmm, no. > NVidia's track record for Linux support sucks less. You know I've had far, far fewer problems with Radeons than nVidia over the past 7 years. I've had nVidia drivers that break USB2 support, that breaks SATA support, that just doesn't support the latest four kernel microversions, that cause the kernel to panic randomly throughout the day, that cause Xorg to severely memory leak until it segfaults, that doesn't work with various AGP chipsets (until a new driver release a few months later that replaces this with other bugs), Of the 6 nVidia cards I own one of them, an nForce 4, still cannot be used with GNU/Linux because it causes periodic X lockups, while working fine on Windows 2000. I have had zero, zero problems with the free DRI Radeon drivers. r200, r300, works great, has for at least 4 years. If you'll remember ATI released the specs to the r200 series years ago to the DRI team. Even when r300 was called "experimental" and "beta" I still found no faults in it, and I'm fairly well known for finding obscure bugs. For those using ATI's proprietary fglrx drivers, saying nVidia's proprietary drivers are better is like advocating a product because it's shit stinks less. Proprietary drivers are always crap. The point is, ATI has cooperated with the community in the past, unless you were spending more than $50 on a video card the free drivers worked great, and a few months ago AMD pledged to do so more fully in the future and has followed through with that promise. There's a flurry of activity in the DRI team implementing the several thousand pages of specs at a breakneck speed and almost every Radeon is supported now. Yes, they're dropping fglrx support. AMD realizes what everyone needs to realize, writing proprietary drivers for GNU/Linux is just not reasonable. There's a large, energetic community of volunteers who want nothing more than the specs, and they'll do a better job with free drivers than AMD with a team of paid employees could ever do. It's not the paradigm they're used to, so it's taken them time to understand how things work in our community. Boycott nVidia until they understand this, too. Proprietary drivers are a fine pragmatic solution when you already own one, but when in the market for a new video card look for "Radeon". ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
[GNHLUG] NHRuby meeting Tuesday, Jun 17: Google App Engine and more!
The NH Ruby and Rails User Group will hold its June 2008 meeting at the usual spot, RMC Research in Portsmouth. This month we have the honor of having Brian DeLacey return to give another interesting talk. What's a Rubyist to do when great environments come along but don't (yet) support Ruby? Google App Engine, for instance, only supports Python. Well, of course - Learn Python! It's easy. This meeting will give a quickstart intro to Python for the Rubyist. We'll then take a look at "Hello World" running on Google's App Engine. You may leave wondering whether Django is Python's jazz improvisation of Rails. To keep things environmentally friendly, we'll do the demos on a newly built, energy efficient PC running Ubuntu and using a just a few watts of power with Intel's new Atom processor. We'll also spend a little time talking about how simple, fun, and inexpensive it was to build this powerful little Atomizer. You may find "atomic power" is a great way to experiment with Ruby and learn Python. WHEN: Tuesday, June 17, 2008. 7-9 PM. WHERE: RMC Research Offices, 1000 Market Street, Portsmouth, NH. For a map and driving directions, see our wiki site: http://wiki.nhruby.org/index.php/Upcoming_meetings Regards, Scott -- Scott Garman sgarman at zenlinux dot com ___ gnhlug-announce mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-announce/ ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: Decent Graphics card / 64 bit system / imaging
On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 8:07 PM, Arc Riley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I'm trying to understand why a majority of people on this list find it > acceptable to /recommend/ hardware only supported by proprietary drivers NVidia's track record for Linux support is better. Hmmm, no. NVidia's track record for Linux support sucks less. They only do closed, binary-only drivers, but they've consistently supported Linux on i386 for much longer. ATI has a history of claiming support and then killing it off. Perhaps they'll stick with it this time, but only time will tell. Meanwhile, I know that if I had gone with an NVida card a while back, I would have had an easier and less expensive time. NVida would have screwed me less than ATI. That's hardly what I'd call a "recommendation" for NVidia, but I'm certainly no fan of ATI, either. -- Ben ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: Decent Graphics card / 64 bit system / imaging
> I'm trying to understand why a majority of people on this list > find it acceptable to /recommend/ hardware only supported by > proprietary drivers Hey, cut us some slack, Jack. It would be more accurate for you to say, "majority of postings I've read" since (A) most of the traffic on this list is generated by a minority of those subscribed and (B) some of us have business/emploment relationships that make for some (ahem!) delicate situations when it comes to criticizing the MFLIOGD* behavior of certain companies like NVIDIA and Broadcom... *MFLIOGD=MiddleFingerLiftedInOurGeneralDirection ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: Decent Graphics card / 64 bit system / imaging
On Jun 11, 2008, at 20:07, Arc Riley wrote: > I'm trying to understand why a majority of people on this list find it > acceptable to /recommend/ hardware only supported by propriet Momentum, I suspect. A year and a half ago it was nVidia's proprietary drivers or ATI's proprietary drivers, and ATI's sucked an order of magnitude more. And when AMD bought ATI, they discontinued all support for some proprietary-only hardware less than a year old (yes, I owned some). This year, I'm using ATI graphics in an embedded OpenGL project specifically because they're open source-ing and I can redistribute them. But most people probably speak from experience and haven't bought a graphics card very recently. -Bill - Bill McGonigle, Owner Work: 603.448.4440 BFC Computing, LLC Home: 603.448.1668 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cell: 603.252.2606 http://www.bfccomputing.com/Page: 603.442.1833 Blog: http://blog.bfccomputing.com/ VCard: http://bfccomputing.com/vcard/bill.vcf ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: Decent Graphics card / 64 bit system / imaging
I'm trying to understand why a majority of people on this list find it acceptable to /recommend/ hardware only supported by proprietary drivers nVidia 3d acceleration is only supported with proprietary drivers Radeons have a comparable price/quality comparison and are supported by free drivers builtin to the Linux kernel, Mesa, Xorg, DRI, etc using specs released from ATI/AMD IMHO, every lug across the country should be crying to boycott nVidia until they join AMD, Intel, and Via in releasing specs, if not for the market pressure than for the pragmatic element of not needing to install proprietary drivers to make something as basic as accelerated video work. ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: Decent Graphics card / 64 bit system / imaging
On Jun 10, 2008, at 16:19, Tom Buskey wrote:
> But, it makes one big screen. I want them independent so I can juggle
> workspaces independently.
I think Redhat's system-config-display will let you set that as one
of the options ("Desktop Layout?")
-Bill
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Re: Boston Linux Installfest XXIX Saturday June 21, 2008
On Wed, June 11, 2008 12:28 pm, Jarod Wilson said: > Excellent to hear. Also, didn't mean to imply nobody was giving Fedora > any love, should have said that I'd like to be there to give Fedora some > *more* love. :) Ewww, that could get messy :-) -- John Abreau / Executive Director, Boston Linux & Unix IM: [EMAIL PROTECTED] / [EMAIL PROTECTED] / [EMAIL PROTECTED] / [EMAIL PROTECTED] Email [EMAIL PROTECTED] / WWW http://www.abreau.net / PGP-Key-ID 0xD5C7B5D9 PGP-Key-Fingerprint 72 FB 39 4F 3C 3B D6 5B E0 C8 5A 6E F1 2C BE 99 -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: Boston Linux Installfest XXIX Saturday June 21, 2008
On Wed, 2008-06-11 at 12:12 -0400, John Abreau wrote: > On Wed, June 11, 2008 11:01 am, Jarod Wilson said: > > > > > What about Fedora? :) > > > > I really need to make it to one of these things some day, if only to get > > Fedora some proper love, but finding the time is next to impossible > > these days... > > I'll have the Fedora 9 DVD iso on my server, set up for network installs, > and a DVD burner in case anyone has a machine with an unsupported > Ethernet chipset. Excellent to hear. Also, didn't mean to imply nobody was giving Fedora any love, should have said that I'd like to be there to give Fedora some *more* love. :) -- Jarod Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: Boston Linux Installfest XXIX Saturday June 21, 2008
On Wed, June 11, 2008 11:01 am, Jarod Wilson said: > > What about Fedora? :) > > I really need to make it to one of these things some day, if only to get > Fedora some proper love, but finding the time is next to impossible > these days... I'll have the Fedora 9 DVD iso on my server, set up for network installs, and a DVD burner in case anyone has a machine with an unsupported Ethernet chipset. I should also have isos of some other distributions. -- John Abreau / Executive Director, Boston Linux & Unix IM: [EMAIL PROTECTED] / [EMAIL PROTECTED] / [EMAIL PROTECTED] / [EMAIL PROTECTED] Email [EMAIL PROTECTED] / WWW http://www.abreau.net / PGP-Key-ID 0xD5C7B5D9 PGP-Key-Fingerprint 72 FB 39 4F 3C 3B D6 5B E0 C8 5A 6E F1 2C BE 99 -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Boston Linux Installfest XXIX Saturday June 21, 2008 (correction to distros)
Boston Linux Installfest XX1X When: Saturday, June 21, 2008 from 9:00 am to 5:00 pm Where: MIT Building E-51, Room 061 2 Amherst St, Cambridge What you need to bring: Your computer, monitor, power strips and your Linux distributions. We do have copies of some distributions. In general we have expertise with most distros, but if you need special expertise, please email the BLU discussion list in advance. COST: It's free! However, we DO have expenses, and contributions are welcome. Please consider contributing $25 per machine. Our volunteers will help you to install Linux on your own system. While Linux runs on most systems, some systems do have configurations and hardware that may not be supported. Please consult the following web pages for hardware compatibility. While we prefer you to bring your own distros, our volunteers will normally have Linux.ORG: http://www.linux.org/hardware/index.html Hardware HOWTO: http://www.linuxdoc.org/HOWTO/Hardware-HOWTO.html Linux Frequently Asked Questions: http://www.linuxdoc.org/ Generally our volunteers have sets of the latest Fedora, SuSE and Ubuntu distributions: * Fedora - http://fedora.redhat.com (Fedora 9) * Open SuSE - http://opensuse.org (OpenSuSE 10.3) * Ubuntu - http://www.ubuntu.com (Hardy Heron 8.04) Please refer to the BLU website (http://www.blu.org) for further information and directions. Parking is available in front of the building on Amherst St. Enter the building, and take the elevator to your left down 1 floor. Room 061 is opposite the elevator. -- Jerry Feldman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Boston Linux and Unix user group http://www.blu.org PGP key id:C5061EA9 PGP Key fingerprint:053C 73EC 3AC1 5C44 3E14 9245 FB00 3ED5 C506 1EA9 signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: Boston Linux Installfest XXIX Saturday June 21, 2008
On Wed, 2008-06-11 at 10:48 -0400, Bill Ricker wrote: > >> Generally our volunteers have sets of the latest Fedora, SuSE and > >> Ubuntu distributions: > >>* Fedora - http://fedora.redhat.com (Fedora 7) > >>* Open SuSE - http://opensuse.org (OpenSuSE 10.3) > >>* Ubuntu - http://www.ubuntu.com (Gutsy Gibbon 7.10) > > > Does this stanza maybe need a bit of updating? Fedora 9 has been out > > about a month now, let alone Fedora 8 for 7 months, and Ubuntu 8.04 has > > been out for 2 months as well... > > Yes. Both GG 7.10 and HH 8.04 disks should be available. What about Fedora? :) I really need to make it to one of these things some day, if only to get Fedora some proper love, but finding the time is next to impossible these days... -- Jarod Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: Boston Linux Installfest XXIX Saturday June 21, 2008
>> Generally our volunteers have sets of the latest Fedora, SuSE and >> Ubuntu distributions: >>* Fedora - http://fedora.redhat.com (Fedora 7) >>* Open SuSE - http://opensuse.org (OpenSuSE 10.3) >>* Ubuntu - http://www.ubuntu.com (Gutsy Gibbon 7.10) > Does this stanza maybe need a bit of updating? Fedora 9 has been out > about a month now, let alone Fedora 8 for 7 months, and Ubuntu 8.04 has > been out for 2 months as well... Yes. Both GG 7.10 and HH 8.04 disks should be available. -- Bill [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: Boston Linux Installfest XXIX Saturday June 21, 2008
On Wed, 2008-06-11 at 10:26 -0400, Jerry Feldman wrote: > Boston Linux Installfest XX1X [...] > Generally our volunteers have sets of the latest Fedora, SuSE and > Ubuntu distributions: >* Fedora - http://fedora.redhat.com (Fedora 7) >* Open SuSE - http://opensuse.org (OpenSuSE 10.3) >* Ubuntu - http://www.ubuntu.com (Gutsy Gibbon 7.10) Does this stanza maybe need a bit of updating? Fedora 9 has been out about a month now, let alone Fedora 8 for 7 months, and Ubuntu 8.04 has been out for 2 months as well... -- Jarod Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: Decent Graphics card / 64 bit system / imaging
On 6/10/08, Ben Scott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > So I guess they've gotten around to making some, but for a long > time, NVidia provided no 64-bit version of their drivers. Umm, they've provided the binary drivers for nearly as long as any of the x86-64 chips have been available at least. Granted, this doesn't cover non x86 environments. http://www.nvidia.com/object/linux_amd64_display_archive.html -- -- Thomas ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Boston Linux Installfest XXIX Saturday June 21, 2008
Boston Linux Installfest XX1X When: Saturday, June 21, 2008 from 9:00 am to 5:00 pm Where: MIT Building E-51, Room 061 2 Amherst St, Cambridge What you need to bring: Your computer, monitor, power strips and your Linux distributions. We do have copies of some distributions. In general we have expertise with most distros, but if you need special expertise, please email the BLU discussion list in advance. COST: It's free! However, we DO have expenses, and contributions are welcome. Please consider contributing $25 per machine. Our volunteers will help you to install Linux on your own system. While Linux runs on most systems, some systems do have configurations and hardware that may not be supported. Please consult the following web pages for hardware compatibility. While we prefer you to bring your own distros, our volunteers will normally have Linux.ORG: http://www.linux.org/hardware/index.html Hardware HOWTO: http://www.linuxdoc.org/HOWTO/Hardware-HOWTO.html Linux Frequently Asked Questions: http://www.linuxdoc.org/ Generally our volunteers have sets of the latest Fedora, SuSE and Ubuntu distributions: * Fedora - http://fedora.redhat.com (Fedora 7) * Open SuSE - http://opensuse.org (OpenSuSE 10.3) * Ubuntu - http://www.ubuntu.com (Gutsy Gibbon 7.10) Please refer to the BLU website (http://www.blu.org) for further information and directions. Parking is available in front of the building on Amherst St. Enter the building, and take the elevator to your left down 1 floor. Room 061 is opposite the elevator. -- Jerry Feldman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Boston Linux and Unix user group http://www.blu.org PGP key id:C5061EA9 PGP Key fingerprint:053C 73EC 3AC1 5C44 3E14 9245 FB00 3ED5 C506 1EA9 signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Boston Linux Meeting Wednesday, June 18, 2008 Revealing Errors: How We Can Use Errors to Advocate for Software Freedom and Openness
When: June 18, 2008 7:00PM (6:30 for Q&A) Topic: Revealing Errors: How We Can Use Errors to Advocate for Software Freedom and Openness Moderator: Benjamin Mako Hill, Ubuntu developer Location: MIT Building E51 Room 315 ** ** Note this is a change from last month Mako reprises a talk he gave at LUG Radio Live USA and Penguicon For much more information, and Parking please refer to http://www.blu.org/cgi-bin/calendar/2008-mar There is a parking lot adjacent to the E-51 at 2 Amherst St. Note: The after-meeting meeting will be at The Cambridge Brewery. \ Note; The next Installfest is on June 21st. Announcement to follow. -- Jerry Feldman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Boston Linux and Unix PGP key id: 537C5846 PGP Key fingerprint: 3D1B 8377 A3C0 A5F2 ECBB CA3B 4607 4319 537C 5846 signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
