Re: Browsers
I actually saw the newscast :-). Didn't know the Internet reached all the way up in Northern Vermont. On 08/03/2011 04:08 PM, David Hardy wrote: I remember the Henning story being broadcast, extremely amusing. On a somewhat related note, there have been persistent rumors, along the lines of urban legends, that there is either a secret U.S. military base in the Blue Hills or it is an underground UFO base. And if one is hiking around in them hills down there in the tropics, watch where you put yer hands and feet; there are timber rattlers. Full disclosure: I use Chrome and Firefox here in northern Vermont. On Wed, Aug 3, 2011 at 4:02 PM, Jerry Feldman g...@gapps.blu.org mailto:g...@gapps.blu.org wrote: On 08/03/2011 03:54 PM, Ryan Lee Stanyan wrote: On Wed, 2011-08-03 at 15:39 -0400, Joshua Judson Rosen wrote: Jon \maddog\ Hall mad...@li.org mailto:mad...@li.org writes: On Wed, 2011-08-03 at 14:42 -0400, Brian St. Pierre wrote: On Mon, Aug 1, 2011 at 11:23 PM, Bill Sconce sco...@in-spec-inc.com mailto:sco...@in-spec-inc.com wrote: 1. http://www.pcworld.com/printable/article/id,236944/printable.html If you use Internet Explorer, your IQ might be below average--at least, according to one study. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-14389430 Draw your own conclusions about IE users -- that study was a hoax... Interesting to see the number of legitimate news organizations that just swallowed the hoax and reported on it without checking into it at all. Makes you wonder about the authenticity of other news items reported by them. Yes. It's called churnalism--cf.: http://www.onthemedia.org/2011/mar/04/churning-out-pr/transcript/ http://www.pbs.org/idealab/2011/03/churnalismcom-reveals-press-release-copy-in-news-stories068.html http://www.npr.org/blogs/therecord/2011/04/21/135568766/everything-you-know-about-this-band-is-wrong (that last one is particularly interesting: it's an NPR journalist saying, more or less, `it's the PR people's fault--their press releases lie to us!'). The news-media still generally report that `Linux still has yet to get to even 1% market share', too--I want to know where they keep getting *that* figure. I think it's called news entertainment nowadays. Just make a huge headline libeling someone and then post the retraction weeks later buried somewhere in the back. May 18th or 19th 1980 Boston Channel 7's John Henning reported that the Great Blue Hill in Canton, Ma was erupting. This was a story that his news producer inserted. The producer got fired, I don't recall if Henning was fired or not, but he subsequently left and became the statehouse reporter at channel 4. -- Jerry Feldman g...@gapps.blu.org mailto:g...@gapps.blu.org Boston Linux and Unix PGP key id: 537C5846 PGP Key fingerprint: 3D1B 8377 A3C0 A5F2 ECBB CA3B 4607 4319 537C 5846 ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org mailto:gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/ -- Jerry Feldman g...@gapps.blu.org Boston Linux and Unix PGP key id: 537C5846 PGP Key fingerprint: 3D1B 8377 A3C0 A5F2 ECBB CA3B 4607 4319 537C 5846 signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: Browsers
It doesn't, actually. Many areas up here are still without internet at all, or they have dial-up/modem, and/or no cell phone access. A few party-line phone systems, too. As late as the 60s, three-quarters of the roads up here were unpaved. And only a four-drive from Boston. The pols and hacks keep promising the extension of broadband to the benighted hillbillies, but it just never seems to pan out. At Firebase Dave here, we have Verizon for our cells and Fairpoint for landline phone and internet. With regular outages of all. On Thu, Aug 4, 2011 at 7:33 AM, Jerry Feldman g...@gapps.blu.org wrote: I actually saw the newscast :-). Didn't know the Internet reached all the way up in Northern Vermont. On 08/03/2011 04:08 PM, David Hardy wrote: I remember the Henning story being broadcast, extremely amusing. On a somewhat related note, there have been persistent rumors, along the lines of urban legends, that there is either a secret U.S. military base in the Blue Hills or it is an underground UFO base. And if one is hiking around in them hills down there in the tropics, watch where you put yer hands and feet; there are timber rattlers. Full disclosure: I use Chrome and Firefox here in northern Vermont. On Wed, Aug 3, 2011 at 4:02 PM, Jerry Feldman g...@gapps.blu.org mailto:g...@gapps.blu.org wrote: On 08/03/2011 03:54 PM, Ryan Lee Stanyan wrote: On Wed, 2011-08-03 at 15:39 -0400, Joshua Judson Rosen wrote: Jon \maddog\ Hall mad...@li.org mailto:mad...@li.org writes: On Wed, 2011-08-03 at 14:42 -0400, Brian St. Pierre wrote: On Mon, Aug 1, 2011 at 11:23 PM, Bill Sconce sco...@in-spec-inc.com mailto:sco...@in-spec-inc.com wrote: 1. http://www.pcworld.com/printable/article/id,236944/printable.html If you use Internet Explorer, your IQ might be below average--at least, according to one study. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-14389430 Draw your own conclusions about IE users -- that study was a hoax... Interesting to see the number of legitimate news organizations that just swallowed the hoax and reported on it without checking into it at all. Makes you wonder about the authenticity of other news items reported by them. Yes. It's called churnalism--cf.: http://www.onthemedia.org/2011/mar/04/churning-out-pr/transcript/ http://www.pbs.org/idealab/2011/03/churnalismcom-reveals-press-release-copy-in-news-stories068.html http://www.npr.org/blogs/therecord/2011/04/21/135568766/everything-you-know-about-this-band-is-wrong (that last one is particularly interesting: it's an NPR journalist saying, more or less, `it's the PR people's fault--their press releases lie to us!'). The news-media still generally report that `Linux still has yet to get to even 1% market share', too--I want to know where they keep getting *that* figure. I think it's called news entertainment nowadays. Just make a huge headline libeling someone and then post the retraction weeks later buried somewhere in the back. May 18th or 19th 1980 Boston Channel 7's John Henning reported that the Great Blue Hill in Canton, Ma was erupting. This was a story that his news producer inserted. The producer got fired, I don't recall if Henning was fired or not, but he subsequently left and became the statehouse reporter at channel 4. -- Jerry Feldman g...@gapps.blu.org mailto:g...@gapps.blu.org Boston Linux and Unix PGP key id: 537C5846 PGP Key fingerprint: 3D1B 8377 A3C0 A5F2 ECBB CA3B 4607 4319 537C 5846 ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org mailto: gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/ -- Jerry Feldman g...@gapps.blu.org Boston Linux and Unix PGP key id: 537C5846 PGP Key fingerprint: 3D1B 8377 A3C0 A5F2 ECBB CA3B 4607 4319 537C 5846 ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/ ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: Browsers
A friend of mine used to live in Holland, Ma (next to Sturbridge). They had no cable, and a call to an ISP was long distance. He signed up for satellite Internet until Dish network screwed the company. In any case, Larry subsequently moved down the street to Union, Ct where they did have cable. Currently, telephone and cable systems are still taxed and regulated at the municipal level. Where I live we have 2 cable companies (Comcast and RCN) as well as Verizon (with FIOS). Fairpoint bought the system from Verizon. In any case call the bn op center and they'll send a couple of Hueys out to rescue you at firebase Dave :-). Probably either Henry Wifholm or me :-) On 08/04/2011 08:14 AM, David Hardy wrote: It doesn't, actually. Many areas up here are still without internet at all, or they have dial-up/modem, and/or no cell phone access. A few party-line phone systems, too. As late as the 60s, three-quarters of the roads up here were unpaved. And only a four-drive from Boston. The pols and hacks keep promising the extension of broadband to the benighted hillbillies, but it just never seems to pan out. At Firebase Dave here, we have Verizon for our cells and Fairpoint for landline phone and internet. With regular outages of all. -- Jerry Feldman g...@blu.org Boston Linux and Unix PGP key id: 537C5846 PGP Key fingerprint: 3D1B 8377 A3C0 A5F2 ECBB CA3B 4607 4319 537C 5846 signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: Browsers
Interesting; Holland, MA is roughly only a 90-minute haul from Boston and right off the Pike, and yet Union, CT is further down in the CT sticks and they had the cable service. Not much rhyme nor reason to it up here, either. Our pols and media types occasionally wax all warm and fuzzy about extending broadband to the rubes and bumpkins on the basis of egalitarian fantasies and social/economic justice, but after a bit of churning and back-pedaling, it goes away again. The part of it that actually sucks, besides the entertainment non-availability, is the way so much stuff is ONLY available via internet, like job boards, applications, government paperwork, etc., and many folks still don't have the access, but this is what they get told on the radio or wherever; 'hey, just log in to our site and fill out the forms, etc., etc.' and they can't. Rescue choppers? HI was wondering why the regular OD-green chopper flights nearly every day up and down our river valley here...slide by anytime, Jerry; we'll pop a coupla flares for ya. On Thu, Aug 4, 2011 at 8:47 AM, Jerry Feldman g...@blu.org wrote: A friend of mine used to live in Holland, Ma (next to Sturbridge). They had no cable, and a call to an ISP was long distance. He signed up for satellite Internet until Dish network screwed the company. In any case, Larry subsequently moved down the street to Union, Ct where they did have cable. Currently, telephone and cable systems are still taxed and regulated at the municipal level. Where I live we have 2 cable companies (Comcast and RCN) as well as Verizon (with FIOS). Fairpoint bought the system from Verizon. In any case call the bn op center and they'll send a couple of Hueys out to rescue you at firebase Dave :-). Probably either Henry Wifholm or me :-) On 08/04/2011 08:14 AM, David Hardy wrote: It doesn't, actually. Many areas up here are still without internet at all, or they have dial-up/modem, and/or no cell phone access. A few party-line phone systems, too. As late as the 60s, three-quarters of the roads up here were unpaved. And only a four-drive from Boston. The pols and hacks keep promising the extension of broadband to the benighted hillbillies, but it just never seems to pan out. At Firebase Dave here, we have Verizon for our cells and Fairpoint for landline phone and internet. With regular outages of all. -- Jerry Feldman g...@blu.org Boston Linux and Unix PGP key id: 537C5846 PGP Key fingerprint: 3D1B 8377 A3C0 A5F2 ECBB CA3B 4607 4319 537C 5846 ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/ ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
[OT] Broadband availability (was: Browsers)
Holland, MA is roughly only a 90-minute haul from Boston and right off the Pike, and yet Union, CT is further down in the CT sticks and they had the cable service. Not much rhyme nor reason to it up here, either. There's baffling availability patterns in the `burbs as well as out in the sticks. In Chelmsford we got Verizon to agree to do their FiOS buildout years ago but we still can't get it at our place even though there are addresses less than a block away in several directions that can. I am, of course, grateful that we are lucky enough to at least have the option of being ComCast's captive market but it's infuriating that Verizon's bureacracy/greed results in FiOS being so tantalizingly close and that little bit of choice being just out of reach... ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: [OT] Broadband availability (was: Browsers)
Wow, that is kind of unreal. I was in the Chelmsford area a few years ago for RH cert training and I was under the impression that it is a very busy and built-up area and I would have just assumed (and we all know what that spells) that cable and internet service is ubiquitous there. Up here I have to admit that the geography all over the state is a serious factor, and there just ain't gonna be cell phone access or last-mile fiber in a lot of these places. You can see lots and lots of satellite dishes, though. rant on And of course there is the socio-economic factor of the moneyed middle-class population centers in the flatlands like Chittenden and Franklin and Addison counties and the college towns, versus the corn-likker hillbilly areas in the hills and mountains. Jethro and Ellie May can probably forget about ever having broadband up in their neck of the woods but if they need help from the state or some nonprofit organization at some point, they will be told to just log on in and fill out them forms online. Got internet at the local libraries? Maybe, but they may only be open about ten hours a week. Hell, the Feds are closing rural post offices up here. Gotta keep DOD in full battle dress 7x24 and the Wall Street huckleberries high-fiving each other with each new mass layoff announcement. rant off On Thu, Aug 4, 2011 at 11:35 AM, Michael ODonnell michael.odonn...@comcast.net wrote: Holland, MA is roughly only a 90-minute haul from Boston and right off the Pike, and yet Union, CT is further down in the CT sticks and they had the cable service. Not much rhyme nor reason to it up here, either. There's baffling availability patterns in the `burbs as well as out in the sticks. In Chelmsford we got Verizon to agree to do their FiOS buildout years ago but we still can't get it at our place even though there are addresses less than a block away in several directions that can. I am, of course, grateful that we are lucky enough to at least have the option of being ComCast's captive market but it's infuriating that Verizon's bureacracy/greed results in FiOS being so tantalizingly close and that little bit of choice being just out of reach... ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/ ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
[GNHLUG] [DLSLUG-Announce] TONIGHT: Btrfs Hackathon HOWTO - DLSLUG Monthly Meeting - 2011-08-04
*** Dartmouth-Lake Sunapee Linux User Group http://dlslug.org/ a chapter of GNHLUG - http://gnhlug.org *** The next regular monthly meeting of DLSLUG will be held: Thursday, August 4th, 7-9PM at: Dartmouth College, Haldeman 041 23 North Main Street, Hanover, NH All are welcome, free of charge. Agenda 5:30 Pre-meeting dinner at EBA's. RSVP and bring cash. 7:00 Sign-in, networking 7:15 Introductory remarks 7:20 Btrfs presented by William Stearns Filesystems are supposed to be boring - you never know they're there. BTRFS, based on a design that supports copy-on-write, provides features like effortless snapshots, built-in data redundancy and checksumming, easy addition and removal of underlying disks and much more. Filesystems have become interesting again! Bill is a System Administrator at Dartmouth College and consultant for Intelguardians. He is a content author and faculty member at the SANS Institute, teaching both the Linux System Administration and Perimeter Security tracks. Bill's background is in network and operating system security; he was the chief architect of one commercial and two open source firewalls and is an active contributor to multiple projects in the Linux development effort. His spare time is spent coordinating and feeding a major antispam blacklist, and assisting the technical community as a volunteer Incident Handler for the Internet Storm Center. Bill's articles and tools can be found in SysAdmin magazine, online journals, and at http://www.stearns.org . 8:05 Hack-a-thon HOWTO presented by Ryan Lewis Do you have favorite project that needs some development love and would like to sponsor an event to do it? Ryan will walk us through a mini-Hack-a-thon, using Xournal https://github.com/ryanlewis/xournal and GitHub as a platform to show how it's done. Your guide on this expedition will be Ryan H. Lewis. He is a Ph.D. student at Dartmouth College. He studied mathematics in Rochester, New York. He uses Fedora linux and thinks writing in the third person nominative case is strange. 8:50 Roundtable Exchange - where the attendees can make announcements or ask a Linux/FLOSS question of the group. - Driving Directions Please see the website for links to driving directions. Refreshments We currently lack a refreshment sponsor. If you or your company would like to provide or sponsor refreshments, please get in touch. RSVP RSVP by replying to this e-mail so we can give any refreshment sponsor a count. Mailing Lists There are two primary mailman lists set up for DLSLUG, an Announce list and a Discuss list. Please sign up for the Announce list (moderated, low-volume) to stay apprised of the group's activities and the Discuss list (unmoderated) for group discussion. Links to the mailing lists are on the webpage. Tell Your Friends Please pass this announcement along to anyone else who may be interested. -- Bill McGonigle, Owner BFC Computing, LLC http://bfccomputing.com/ Telephone: +1.855.SW.LIBRE Email, IM, VOIP: b...@bfccomputing.com VCard: http://bfccomputing.com/vcard/bill.vcf Social networks: bill_mcgonigle/bill.mcgonigle ___ DLSLUG-Announce mailing list dlslug-annou...@dlslug.org http://dlslug.org/mailman/listinfo/dlslug-announce ___ gnhlug-announce mailing list gnhlug-annou...@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-announce/ ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: Browsers
David Hardy belovedbold...@gmail.com writes: On Thu, Aug 4, 2011 at 7:33 AM, Jerry Feldman g...@gapps.blu.org wrote: Didn't know the Internet reached all the way up in Northern Vermont. It doesn't, actually. Many areas up here are still without internet at all, or they have dial-up/modem, and/or no cell phone access. A few party-line phone systems, too. As late as the 60s, three-quarters of the roads up here were unpaved. And only a four-drive from Boston. The pols and hacks keep promising the extension of broadband to the benighted hillbillies, but it just never seems to pan out. At Firebase Dave here, we have Verizon for our cells and Fairpoint for landline phone and internet. With regular outages of all. At least you *have* access to landline telephone service--recall that, some months back, Vermont was threatening to tell Fairpoint that they would no longer be allowed to do business in the state, due to general inadequacy of service provided. This came up in a conversation of mine, the other day, and I meant to look into how it all turned out; from your description, I guess the state proved to be less powerful than the utility-company? We gave one of Openmoko's WikiReader units to my wife's sister as a christmas-present, a couple years back, because she was in the same situation (either in Vermont, or in one of the more `Vermont-like' areas further up into New Hampshire; I don't remember which it was--she's been straddling the border for a while). It seems like a such a silly device, but she loved it--because it was her `connection'; I wrote a short blog-entry about it, at the time: http://www.hackerposse.com/~rozzin/chronicle/jenny-and-the-wikireader.html I'd initially lent her mine for a couple of weeks, just to get an idea of `what real people think'; then she returned it. When given her own, she said: Oh! I've been so *lonely* without it--whenever I have a question, I think `oh, I'll just... *oh*..., I don't have it anymore!' I also wrote some longer posts around the time when I bought mine, exploring, to some extent, some socio-economic and other elements that seemed to support the notion of tapping the `lower 90%' market: http://www.hackerposse.com/~rozzin/chronicle/the-wikireader.html http://www.hackerposse.com/~rozzin/chronicle/wikireader-review.html (though, on further reflection..., considering that there are all of 10 people in Vermont--even fewer than New Hampshire's 100-person population...) -- Don't be afraid to ask (λf.((λx.xx) (λr.f(rr. ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: Browsers
The state here threatened Fairpoint, sure, but then there is RL. And economics. And money. The hacks in Montpeculiar understand money. We keep the landline in case all the cell coverage blows up and/or the zombie hordes start overrunning the state from the collapsing ruins of Megalopolis south of here. As for population, the whole state has fewer people than the city of Boston. This becomes clear during the morning and afternoon rush hour commutes. And by the plethora, still, of unpaved roads, even in the capital city. Hey, I paid my dues down there for many years. Never again. Even if I have to milk cows and mow hay. On Thu, Aug 4, 2011 at 3:31 PM, Joshua Judson Rosen roz...@geekspace.comwrote: David Hardy belovedbold...@gmail.com writes: On Thu, Aug 4, 2011 at 7:33 AM, Jerry Feldman g...@gapps.blu.org wrote: Didn't know the Internet reached all the way up in Northern Vermont. It doesn't, actually. Many areas up here are still without internet at all, or they have dial-up/modem, and/or no cell phone access. A few party-line phone systems, too. As late as the 60s, three-quarters of the roads up here were unpaved. And only a four-drive from Boston. The pols and hacks keep promising the extension of broadband to the benighted hillbillies, but it just never seems to pan out. At Firebase Dave here, we have Verizon for our cells and Fairpoint for landline phone and internet. With regular outages of all. At least you *have* access to landline telephone service--recall that, some months back, Vermont was threatening to tell Fairpoint that they would no longer be allowed to do business in the state, due to general inadequacy of service provided. This came up in a conversation of mine, the other day, and I meant to look into how it all turned out; from your description, I guess the state proved to be less powerful than the utility-company? We gave one of Openmoko's WikiReader units to my wife's sister as a christmas-present, a couple years back, because she was in the same situation (either in Vermont, or in one of the more `Vermont-like' areas further up into New Hampshire; I don't remember which it was--she's been straddling the border for a while). It seems like a such a silly device, but she loved it--because it was her `connection'; I wrote a short blog-entry about it, at the time: http://www.hackerposse.com/~rozzin/chronicle/jenny-and-the-wikireader.html I'd initially lent her mine for a couple of weeks, just to get an idea of `what real people think'; then she returned it. When given her own, she said: Oh! I've been so *lonely* without it--whenever I have a question, I think `oh, I'll just... *oh*..., I don't have it anymore!' I also wrote some longer posts around the time when I bought mine, exploring, to some extent, some socio-economic and other elements that seemed to support the notion of tapping the `lower 90%' market: http://www.hackerposse.com/~rozzin/chronicle/the-wikireader.html http://www.hackerposse.com/~rozzin/chronicle/wikireader-review.html (though, on further reflection..., considering that there are all of 10 people in Vermont--even fewer than New Hampshire's 100-person population...) -- Don't be afraid to ask (λf.((λx.xx) (λr.f(rr. ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
