Re: Upstart issues with Ubuntu 14.04.

2016-09-09 Thread Tom Buskey 
I've been working with CentOS 6/7 based Openstack but have some Ubuntu.

FWIW, I prefer the 16.x Ubuntu with SystemD to Upstart.  I've found it
easier to learn with CentOS man pages than Ubuntu.

I end up using service and chkconfig to start/stop and enable/disable.

I've found initctl for Upstart vs systemctl for systemd.


On Thu, Sep 8, 2016 at 9:18 AM, Ken D'Ambrosio  wrote:

> I believe Ubuntu is perhaps one of the lesser-used distros in GNHLUG
> land, but I'm hoping someone here might be able to offer some insight.
>
> I've got an Openstack install on Ubuntu 14.04 host systems, and after a
> hurricane-induced power outage over the weekend, one of our hosts won't
> boot -- it fails (seemingly) at loading an Openstack Neutron service.
> So, I figure I'll go into /etc/init.d/ and just chmod -x all the suspect
> services, see if it boots, and then manually load services.  Not so
> much; that had zero apparent impact on the services loading.
>
> So then I did some reading up on Upstart, and found a whole bunch of
> places that the services *might* be loading from... none of which seemed
> to impact stuff.  I currently have the host booted by some serious
> cheating (I pulled a disk, went to "manual repair mode" when it whined
> about not being able to mount devices, and loaded services from there --
> it completely fails to boot single-user), but how in blazes do I:
>
> * See what services want to be loaded?
> * See *where* they get loaded?
> * Load them individually?
>
> I've found some of the services mentioned in /etc/init/, /etc/init.d/,
> /etc/systemd/system/multi-user.target.wants/, /lib/systemd/system/,
> /var/lib/systemd/deb-systemd-helper-enabled/ and
> /var/lib/systemd/deb-systemd-helper-enabled/multi-user.target.wants/ .
> I tried playing around with most (all?) of those locations, to no avail.
>   Any insight into what I'm doing wrong would truly be most appreciated.
>
> Thanks!
>
> -Ken
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Re: Upstart issues with Ubuntu 14.04.

2016-09-09 Thread Richard Kolb II 
Not exactly related, but I just switched from windows 7 on my primary
machine to Ubuntu 16.x LTS. I found it horribly slow, which surprised me
considering it's a faster machine, more ram, and an SSD, over my 14.x LTS
machine. I then tried Ubuntu Mate and I may just jump over to Centos.

Maybe I need to poke at what services I have running first.


Richard Kolb II

On Fri, Sep 9, 2016 at 11:44 AM, Tom Buskey  wrote:

> I've been working with CentOS 6/7 based Openstack but have some Ubuntu.
>
> FWIW, I prefer the 16.x Ubuntu with SystemD to Upstart.  I've found it
> easier to learn with CentOS man pages than Ubuntu.
>
> I end up using service and chkconfig to start/stop and enable/disable.
>
> I've found initctl for Upstart vs systemctl for systemd.
>
>
> On Thu, Sep 8, 2016 at 9:18 AM, Ken D'Ambrosio  wrote:
>
>> I believe Ubuntu is perhaps one of the lesser-used distros in GNHLUG
>> land, but I'm hoping someone here might be able to offer some insight.
>>
>> I've got an Openstack install on Ubuntu 14.04 host systems, and after a
>> hurricane-induced power outage over the weekend, one of our hosts won't
>> boot -- it fails (seemingly) at loading an Openstack Neutron service.
>> So, I figure I'll go into /etc/init.d/ and just chmod -x all the suspect
>> services, see if it boots, and then manually load services.  Not so
>> much; that had zero apparent impact on the services loading.
>>
>> So then I did some reading up on Upstart, and found a whole bunch of
>> places that the services *might* be loading from... none of which seemed
>> to impact stuff.  I currently have the host booted by some serious
>> cheating (I pulled a disk, went to "manual repair mode" when it whined
>> about not being able to mount devices, and loaded services from there --
>> it completely fails to boot single-user), but how in blazes do I:
>>
>> * See what services want to be loaded?
>> * See *where* they get loaded?
>> * Load them individually?
>>
>> I've found some of the services mentioned in /etc/init/, /etc/init.d/,
>> /etc/systemd/system/multi-user.target.wants/, /lib/systemd/system/,
>> /var/lib/systemd/deb-systemd-helper-enabled/ and
>> /var/lib/systemd/deb-systemd-helper-enabled/multi-user.target.wants/ .
>> I tried playing around with most (all?) of those locations, to no avail.
>>   Any insight into what I'm doing wrong would truly be most appreciated.
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> -Ken
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CentOS vs Unbuntu desktop

2016-09-09 Thread Tom Buskey 
I've tended to use CentOS for the server; at work they want RHEL and
support.  With CentOS 5 and 6, I've found the desktop widgets to be
lagging.  With Ubuntu (and Mint and other derivatives) there tend to be
more desktop tools and they're kept up to date.  Everything is an apt-get
install away.

On my desktop, I want to play videos, music, talk to a sound card, graphics
card, office suites, IDEs.  I don't need that on my servers and it's ok if
things are a bit behind.

I'd check out Mint as an alternative to Ubuntu before going to a CentOS
desktop.

On Fri, Sep 9, 2016 at 12:06 PM, Richard Kolb II 
wrote:

> Not exactly related, but I just switched from windows 7 on my primary
> machine to Ubuntu 16.x LTS. I found it horribly slow, which surprised me
> considering it's a faster machine, more ram, and an SSD, over my 14.x LTS
> machine. I then tried Ubuntu Mate and I may just jump over to Centos.
>
> Maybe I need to poke at what services I have running first.
>
>
> Richard Kolb II
>
> On Fri, Sep 9, 2016 at 11:44 AM, Tom Buskey  wrote:
>
>> I've been working with CentOS 6/7 based Openstack but have some Ubuntu.
>>
>> FWIW, I prefer the 16.x Ubuntu with SystemD to Upstart.  I've found it
>> easier to learn with CentOS man pages than Ubuntu.
>>
>> I end up using service and chkconfig to start/stop and enable/disable.
>>
>> I've found initctl for Upstart vs systemctl for systemd.
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Sep 8, 2016 at 9:18 AM, Ken D'Ambrosio  wrote:
>>
>>> I believe Ubuntu is perhaps one of the lesser-used distros in GNHLUG
>>> land, but I'm hoping someone here might be able to offer some insight.
>>>
>>> I've got an Openstack install on Ubuntu 14.04 host systems, and after a
>>> hurricane-induced power outage over the weekend, one of our hosts won't
>>> boot -- it fails (seemingly) at loading an Openstack Neutron service.
>>> So, I figure I'll go into /etc/init.d/ and just chmod -x all the suspect
>>> services, see if it boots, and then manually load services.  Not so
>>> much; that had zero apparent impact on the services loading.
>>>
>>> So then I did some reading up on Upstart, and found a whole bunch of
>>> places that the services *might* be loading from... none of which seemed
>>> to impact stuff.  I currently have the host booted by some serious
>>> cheating (I pulled a disk, went to "manual repair mode" when it whined
>>> about not being able to mount devices, and loaded services from there --
>>> it completely fails to boot single-user), but how in blazes do I:
>>>
>>> * See what services want to be loaded?
>>> * See *where* they get loaded?
>>> * Load them individually?
>>>
>>> I've found some of the services mentioned in /etc/init/, /etc/init.d/,
>>> /etc/systemd/system/multi-user.target.wants/, /lib/systemd/system/,
>>> /var/lib/systemd/deb-systemd-helper-enabled/ and
>>> /var/lib/systemd/deb-systemd-helper-enabled/multi-user.target.wants/ .
>>> I tried playing around with most (all?) of those locations, to no avail.
>>>   Any insight into what I'm doing wrong would truly be most appreciated.
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>>
>>> -Ken
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Re: CentOS vs Unbuntu desktop

2016-09-09 Thread Chris Linstid 
One of the other options is to start with ubuntu server (
http://www.ubuntu.com/download/server). It will give you a very clean
starting point and you can just install what you actually need. I don't use
Unity, so I never start with that. I tend to lean towards XFCE or i3. If
you're more comfortable with the RH/CentOS ecosystem, then Fedora Core is a
solid choice. I believe that's what Linus Torvalds uses.

 - Chris

On Fri, Sep 9, 2016 at 1:18 PM, Tom Buskey  wrote:

> I've tended to use CentOS for the server; at work they want RHEL and
> support.  With CentOS 5 and 6, I've found the desktop widgets to be
> lagging.  With Ubuntu (and Mint and other derivatives) there tend to be
> more desktop tools and they're kept up to date.  Everything is an apt-get
> install away.
>
> On my desktop, I want to play videos, music, talk to a sound card,
> graphics card, office suites, IDEs.  I don't need that on my servers and
> it's ok if things are a bit behind.
>
> I'd check out Mint as an alternative to Ubuntu before going to a CentOS
> desktop.
>
> On Fri, Sep 9, 2016 at 12:06 PM, Richard Kolb II 
> wrote:
>
>> Not exactly related, but I just switched from windows 7 on my primary
>> machine to Ubuntu 16.x LTS. I found it horribly slow, which surprised me
>> considering it's a faster machine, more ram, and an SSD, over my 14.x LTS
>> machine. I then tried Ubuntu Mate and I may just jump over to Centos.
>>
>> Maybe I need to poke at what services I have running first.
>>
>>
>> Richard Kolb II
>>
>> On Fri, Sep 9, 2016 at 11:44 AM, Tom Buskey  wrote:
>>
>>> I've been working with CentOS 6/7 based Openstack but have some Ubuntu.
>>>
>>> FWIW, I prefer the 16.x Ubuntu with SystemD to Upstart.  I've found it
>>> easier to learn with CentOS man pages than Ubuntu.
>>>
>>> I end up using service and chkconfig to start/stop and enable/disable.
>>>
>>> I've found initctl for Upstart vs systemctl for systemd.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Sep 8, 2016 at 9:18 AM, Ken D'Ambrosio  wrote:
>>>
 I believe Ubuntu is perhaps one of the lesser-used distros in GNHLUG
 land, but I'm hoping someone here might be able to offer some insight.

 I've got an Openstack install on Ubuntu 14.04 host systems, and after a
 hurricane-induced power outage over the weekend, one of our hosts won't
 boot -- it fails (seemingly) at loading an Openstack Neutron service.
 So, I figure I'll go into /etc/init.d/ and just chmod -x all the suspect
 services, see if it boots, and then manually load services.  Not so
 much; that had zero apparent impact on the services loading.

 So then I did some reading up on Upstart, and found a whole bunch of
 places that the services *might* be loading from... none of which seemed
 to impact stuff.  I currently have the host booted by some serious
 cheating (I pulled a disk, went to "manual repair mode" when it whined
 about not being able to mount devices, and loaded services from there --
 it completely fails to boot single-user), but how in blazes do I:

 * See what services want to be loaded?
 * See *where* they get loaded?
 * Load them individually?

 I've found some of the services mentioned in /etc/init/, /etc/init.d/,
 /etc/systemd/system/multi-user.target.wants/, /lib/systemd/system/,
 /var/lib/systemd/deb-systemd-helper-enabled/ and
 /var/lib/systemd/deb-systemd-helper-enabled/multi-user.target.wants/ .
 I tried playing around with most (all?) of those locations, to no avail.
   Any insight into what I'm doing wrong would truly be most appreciated.

 Thanks!

 -Ken
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Re: CentOS vs Unbuntu desktop

2016-09-09 Thread Richard Kolb II 
I was extremely annoyed yesterday that updating ubuntu was taking so long
for such a small number of things. I suspect it was their servers more than
anything.

I'm giving UbuntuMate a try, it's been so long since I setup a personal
machine I don't recall everything that I removed from my last one. I'll
have to spend some time cleaning things up.

I swear though, mate on my rpi3 seemed faster.

Rich


Richard Kolb II

On Fri, Sep 9, 2016 at 1:52 PM, Chris Linstid  wrote:

> One of the other options is to start with ubuntu server (
> http://www.ubuntu.com/download/server). It will give you a very clean
> starting point and you can just install what you actually need. I don't use
> Unity, so I never start with that. I tend to lean towards XFCE or i3. If
> you're more comfortable with the RH/CentOS ecosystem, then Fedora Core is a
> solid choice. I believe that's what Linus Torvalds uses.
>
>  - Chris
>
> On Fri, Sep 9, 2016 at 1:18 PM, Tom Buskey  wrote:
>
>> I've tended to use CentOS for the server; at work they want RHEL and
>> support.  With CentOS 5 and 6, I've found the desktop widgets to be
>> lagging.  With Ubuntu (and Mint and other derivatives) there tend to be
>> more desktop tools and they're kept up to date.  Everything is an apt-get
>> install away.
>>
>> On my desktop, I want to play videos, music, talk to a sound card,
>> graphics card, office suites, IDEs.  I don't need that on my servers and
>> it's ok if things are a bit behind.
>>
>> I'd check out Mint as an alternative to Ubuntu before going to a CentOS
>> desktop.
>>
>> On Fri, Sep 9, 2016 at 12:06 PM, Richard Kolb II 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Not exactly related, but I just switched from windows 7 on my primary
>>> machine to Ubuntu 16.x LTS. I found it horribly slow, which surprised me
>>> considering it's a faster machine, more ram, and an SSD, over my 14.x LTS
>>> machine. I then tried Ubuntu Mate and I may just jump over to Centos.
>>>
>>> Maybe I need to poke at what services I have running first.
>>>
>>>
>>> Richard Kolb II
>>>
>>> On Fri, Sep 9, 2016 at 11:44 AM, Tom Buskey  wrote:
>>>
 I've been working with CentOS 6/7 based Openstack but have some Ubuntu.

 FWIW, I prefer the 16.x Ubuntu with SystemD to Upstart.  I've found it
 easier to learn with CentOS man pages than Ubuntu.

 I end up using service and chkconfig to start/stop and enable/disable.

 I've found initctl for Upstart vs systemctl for systemd.


 On Thu, Sep 8, 2016 at 9:18 AM, Ken D'Ambrosio  wrote:

> I believe Ubuntu is perhaps one of the lesser-used distros in GNHLUG
> land, but I'm hoping someone here might be able to offer some insight.
>
> I've got an Openstack install on Ubuntu 14.04 host systems, and after a
> hurricane-induced power outage over the weekend, one of our hosts won't
> boot -- it fails (seemingly) at loading an Openstack Neutron service.
> So, I figure I'll go into /etc/init.d/ and just chmod -x all the
> suspect
> services, see if it boots, and then manually load services.  Not so
> much; that had zero apparent impact on the services loading.
>
> So then I did some reading up on Upstart, and found a whole bunch of
> places that the services *might* be loading from... none of which
> seemed
> to impact stuff.  I currently have the host booted by some serious
> cheating (I pulled a disk, went to "manual repair mode" when it whined
> about not being able to mount devices, and loaded services from there
> --
> it completely fails to boot single-user), but how in blazes do I:
>
> * See what services want to be loaded?
> * See *where* they get loaded?
> * Load them individually?
>
> I've found some of the services mentioned in /etc/init/, /etc/init.d/,
> /etc/systemd/system/multi-user.target.wants/, /lib/systemd/system/,
> /var/lib/systemd/deb-systemd-helper-enabled/ and
> /var/lib/systemd/deb-systemd-helper-enabled/multi-user.target.wants/ .
> I tried playing around with most (all?) of those locations, to no
> avail.
>   Any insight into what I'm doing wrong would truly be most
> appreciated.
>
> Thanks!
>
> -Ken
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Re: CentOS vs Unbuntu desktop

2016-09-09 Thread Bill Ricker 
On Fri, Sep 9, 2016 at 1:52 PM, Chris Linstid  wrote:

> One of the other options is to start with ubuntu server (
> http://www.ubuntu.com/download/server). It will give you a very clean
> starting point and you can just install what you actually need. I don't use
> Unity, so I never start with that. I tend to lean towards XFCE or i3
>

​I've used Lubuntu (LXDE) on older hardware; previously used Xubuntu (XFCE)
but it got too heavy for one of the older netbooks; may be better again?

If you add more than one desktop/window managers, the log-in screen lets
you pick one.

Re Unity - In May 2014 i took an upgrade to Ubuntu 14.04​ Trusty LTS on my
main laptop earlier than desired - i like to avoid Dot Uh Oh releases but
had to run with it that time - to support a demo requiring latest kernel -
fully expecting i'd hate Unity and would deal with replacing it
(Mint/Cinamon/Lxde/xfce/...) when i got motivated to do so after the demo.
After working through a couple lists of "must-do tweaks", i never did
replace it.
And I have just applied those same tweaks (including Local Integrated
menus ) to 16.04 Xenial LTS  with Unity on my new box. (With new 4k monitor
- use DP not HDMI ! - i need the LIM.)

   (Hardest part was Google Earth on 64bit OS, which was even more trouble
than 14.04. Am having one minor issue on Ubuntu 16.04 with re-selecting
right audio sink on thaw/revive from suspend/hibernate/screenlock; related
i presume to SystemD ignoring what i know and vice versa. Not bad all in
all.  NUC6i7kyk doesn't actually have speakers, so yes i would like audio
to default to DP/HDMI unless headphones connected.)

​I'd suggest giving Unity a ch​ance (with tweaks) and even if you do add a
lightweight or traditional DWM, keep Unity as a log-in choice if only to be
able to file bugs that say "fails in both Unity and Mint" .

​[*] Tweaks
http://www.noobslab.com/2016/04/important-20-tweaksthings-to-do-after.html
https://launchpad.net/unity-tweak-tool
http://www.florian-diesch.de/software/indicator-privacy/
http://www.florian-diesch.de/software/classicmenu-indicator/ ​


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Re: CentOS vs Unbuntu desktop

2016-09-09 Thread Susan Cragin 
I run Debian LXDE which is fast. And I have eliminated syslog and pulseaudio. FWIW.-Original Message-
From: Tom Buskey 
Sent: Sep 9, 2016 1:18 PM
To: Richard Kolb II 
Cc: Gnhlug Discuss 
Subject: CentOS vs Unbuntu desktop

I've tended to use CentOS for the server; at work they want RHEL and support.  With CentOS 5 and 6, I've found the desktop widgets to be lagging.  With Ubuntu (and Mint and other derivatives) there tend to be more desktop tools and they're kept up to date.  Everything is an apt-get install away.On my desktop, I want to play videos, music, talk to a sound card, graphics card, office suites, IDEs.  I don't need that on my servers and it's ok if things are a bit behind.I'd check out Mint as an alternative to Ubuntu before going to a CentOS desktop.On Fri, Sep 9, 2016 at 12:06 PM, Richard Kolb II  wrote:Not exactly related, but I just switched from windows 7 on my primary machine to Ubuntu 16.x LTS. I found it horribly slow, which surprised me considering it's a faster machine, more ram, and an SSD, over my 14.x LTS machine. I then tried Ubuntu Mate and I may just jump over to Centos.Maybe I need to poke at what services I have running first.Richard Kolb II
On Fri, Sep 9, 2016 at 11:44 AM, Tom Buskey  wrote:I've been working with CentOS 6/7 based Openstack but have some Ubuntu.FWIW, I prefer the 16.x Ubuntu with SystemD to Upstart.  I've found it easier to learn with CentOS man pages than Ubuntu.I end up using service and chkconfig to start/stop and enable/disable.I've found initctl for Upstart vs systemctl for systemd.  On Thu, Sep 8, 2016 at 9:18 AM, Ken D'Ambrosio  wrote:I believe Ubuntu is perhaps one of the lesser-used distros in GNHLUG
land, but I'm hoping someone here might be able to offer some insight.

I've got an Openstack install on Ubuntu 14.04 host systems, and after a
hurricane-induced power outage over the weekend, one of our hosts won't
boot -- it fails (seemingly) at loading an Openstack Neutron service.
So, I figure I'll go into /etc/init.d/ and just chmod -x all the suspect
services, see if it boots, and then manually load services.  Not so
much; that had zero apparent impact on the services loading.

So then I did some reading up on Upstart, and found a whole bunch of
places that the services *might* be loading from... none of which seemed
to impact stuff.  I currently have the host booted by some serious
cheating (I pulled a disk, went to "manual repair mode" when it whined
about not being able to mount devices, and loaded services from there --
it completely fails to boot single-user), but how in blazes do I:

* See what services want to be loaded?
* See *where* they get loaded?
* Load them individually?

I've found some of the services mentioned in /etc/init/, /etc/init.d/,
/etc/systemd/system/multi-user.target.wants/, /lib/systemd/system/,
/var/lib/systemd/deb-systemd-helper-enabled/ and
/var/lib/systemd/deb-systemd-helper-enabled/multi-user.target.wants/ .
I tried playing around with most (all?) of those locations, to no avail.
  Any insight into what I'm doing wrong would truly be most appreciated.

Thanks!

-Ken
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Re: CentOS vs Unbuntu desktop

2016-09-09 Thread Chris Linstid 
Out of curiosity, why did you disable syslog?

 - Chris

On Fri, Sep 9, 2016 at 9:05 PM, Susan Cragin 
wrote:

>
> I run Debian LXDE which is fast. And I have eliminated syslog and
> pulseaudio.
> FWIW.
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Tom Buskey
> Sent: Sep 9, 2016 1:18 PM
> To: Richard Kolb II
> Cc: Gnhlug Discuss
> Subject: CentOS vs Unbuntu desktop
>
> I've tended to use CentOS for the server; at work they want RHEL and
> support.  With CentOS 5 and 6, I've found the desktop widgets to be
> lagging.  With Ubuntu (and Mint and other derivatives) there tend to be
> more desktop tools and they're kept up to date.  Everything is an apt-get
> install away.
>
> On my desktop, I want to play videos, music, talk to a sound card,
> graphics card, office suites, IDEs.  I don't need that on my servers and
> it's ok if things are a bit behind.
>
> I'd check out Mint as an alternative to Ubuntu before going to a CentOS
> desktop.
>
> On Fri, Sep 9, 2016 at 12:06 PM, Richard Kolb II 
> wrote:
>
>> Not exactly related, but I just switched from windows 7 on my primary
>> machine to Ubuntu 16.x LTS. I found it horribly slow, which surprised me
>> considering it's a faster machine, more ram, and an SSD, over my 14.x LTS
>> machine. I then tried Ubuntu Mate and I may just jump over to Centos.
>>
>> Maybe I need to poke at what services I have running first.
>>
>>
>> Richard Kolb II
>>
>> On Fri, Sep 9, 2016 at 11:44 AM, Tom Buskey  wrote:
>>
>>> I've been working with CentOS 6/7 based Openstack but have some Ubuntu.
>>>
>>> FWIW, I prefer the 16.x Ubuntu with SystemD to Upstart.  I've found it
>>> easier to learn with CentOS man pages than Ubuntu.
>>>
>>> I end up using service and chkconfig to start/stop and enable/disable.
>>>
>>> I've found initctl for Upstart vs systemctl for systemd.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Sep 8, 2016 at 9:18 AM, Ken D'Ambrosio  wrote:
>>>
 I believe Ubuntu is perhaps one of the lesser-used distros in GNHLUG
 land, but I'm hoping someone here might be able to offer some insight.

 I've got an Openstack install on Ubuntu 14.04 host systems, and after a
 hurricane-induced power outage over the weekend, one of our hosts won't
 boot -- it fails (seemingly) at loading an Openstack Neutron service.
 So, I figure I'll go into /etc/init.d/ and just chmod -x all the suspect
 services, see if it boots, and then manually load services.  Not so
 much; that had zero apparent impact on the services loading.

 So then I did some reading up on Upstart, and found a whole bunch of
 places that the services *might* be loading from... none of which seemed
 to impact stuff.  I currently have the host booted by some serious
 cheating (I pulled a disk, went to "manual repair mode" when it whined
 about not being able to mount devices, and loaded services from there --
 it completely fails to boot single-user), but how in blazes do I:

 * See what services want to be loaded?
 * See *where* they get loaded?
 * Load them individually?

 I've found some of the services mentioned in /etc/init/, /etc/init.d/,
 /etc/systemd/system/multi-user.target.wants/, /lib/systemd/system/,
 /var/lib/systemd/deb-systemd-helper-enabled/ and
 /var/lib/systemd/deb-systemd-helper-enabled/multi-user.target.wants/ .
 I tried playing around with most (all?) of those locations, to no avail.
   Any insight into what I'm doing wrong would truly be most appreciated.

 Thanks!

 -Ken
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Re: CentOS vs Unbuntu desktop

2016-09-09 Thread Richard Kolb II 
After running through all the updates my system is running much better with
Ubuntu Mate. The download servers are horribly slow though, 96k in 12
minutes.


Richard Kolb II

On Fri, Sep 9, 2016 at 9:26 PM, Chris Linstid  wrote:

> Out of curiosity, why did you disable syslog?
>
>  - Chris
>
> On Fri, Sep 9, 2016 at 9:05 PM, Susan Cragin 
> wrote:
>
>>
>> I run Debian LXDE which is fast. And I have eliminated syslog and
>> pulseaudio.
>> FWIW.
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Tom Buskey
>> Sent: Sep 9, 2016 1:18 PM
>> To: Richard Kolb II
>> Cc: Gnhlug Discuss
>> Subject: CentOS vs Unbuntu desktop
>>
>> I've tended to use CentOS for the server; at work they want RHEL and
>> support.  With CentOS 5 and 6, I've found the desktop widgets to be
>> lagging.  With Ubuntu (and Mint and other derivatives) there tend to be
>> more desktop tools and they're kept up to date.  Everything is an apt-get
>> install away.
>>
>> On my desktop, I want to play videos, music, talk to a sound card,
>> graphics card, office suites, IDEs.  I don't need that on my servers and
>> it's ok if things are a bit behind.
>>
>> I'd check out Mint as an alternative to Ubuntu before going to a CentOS
>> desktop.
>>
>> On Fri, Sep 9, 2016 at 12:06 PM, Richard Kolb II 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Not exactly related, but I just switched from windows 7 on my primary
>>> machine to Ubuntu 16.x LTS. I found it horribly slow, which surprised me
>>> considering it's a faster machine, more ram, and an SSD, over my 14.x LTS
>>> machine. I then tried Ubuntu Mate and I may just jump over to Centos.
>>>
>>> Maybe I need to poke at what services I have running first.
>>>
>>>
>>> Richard Kolb II
>>>
>>> On Fri, Sep 9, 2016 at 11:44 AM, Tom Buskey  wrote:
>>>
 I've been working with CentOS 6/7 based Openstack but have some Ubuntu.

 FWIW, I prefer the 16.x Ubuntu with SystemD to Upstart.  I've found it
 easier to learn with CentOS man pages than Ubuntu.

 I end up using service and chkconfig to start/stop and enable/disable.

 I've found initctl for Upstart vs systemctl for systemd.


 On Thu, Sep 8, 2016 at 9:18 AM, Ken D'Ambrosio  wrote:

> I believe Ubuntu is perhaps one of the lesser-used distros in GNHLUG
> land, but I'm hoping someone here might be able to offer some insight.
>
> I've got an Openstack install on Ubuntu 14.04 host systems, and after a
> hurricane-induced power outage over the weekend, one of our hosts won't
> boot -- it fails (seemingly) at loading an Openstack Neutron service.
> So, I figure I'll go into /etc/init.d/ and just chmod -x all the
> suspect
> services, see if it boots, and then manually load services.  Not so
> much; that had zero apparent impact on the services loading.
>
> So then I did some reading up on Upstart, and found a whole bunch of
> places that the services *might* be loading from... none of which
> seemed
> to impact stuff.  I currently have the host booted by some serious
> cheating (I pulled a disk, went to "manual repair mode" when it whined
> about not being able to mount devices, and loaded services from there
> --
> it completely fails to boot single-user), but how in blazes do I:
>
> * See what services want to be loaded?
> * See *where* they get loaded?
> * Load them individually?
>
> I've found some of the services mentioned in /etc/init/, /etc/init.d/,
> /etc/systemd/system/multi-user.target.wants/, /lib/systemd/system/,
> /var/lib/systemd/deb-systemd-helper-enabled/ and
> /var/lib/systemd/deb-systemd-helper-enabled/multi-user.target.wants/ .
> I tried playing around with most (all?) of those locations, to no
> avail.
>   Any insight into what I'm doing wrong would truly be most
> appreciated.
>
> Thanks!
>
> -Ken
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Re: Upstart issues with Ubuntu 14.04.

2016-09-09 Thread Joshua Judson Rosen 
On 09/09/2016 12:06 PM, Richard Kolb II wrote:
> Not exactly related, but I just switched from windows 7 on my primary
> machine to Ubuntu 16.x LTS. I found it horribly slow, which surprised
> me considering it's a faster machine, more ram, and an SSD, over my
> 14.x LTS machine.

Does it perhaps have a worse graphics card--or perhaps even just
a _worse-supported_ graphics card? Bottlenecks can be
at the near end just as well as they can be at the far end

I had that problem when I upgraded Debian and got GNOME 3
a few years ago--"it" just started seeming to crawl along...,
so I finally upgraded from my 3dfx Voodoo 3 board to a Radeon
and then everything was _much better_.

In that case, "it" turned out to not by my CPU or RAM or
HDD or anything further away from me than the display system.

(I may actually be mixing up the overly-specific details of
 this upgrade story with from slightly longer ago, and
 therefor exaggerating slightly: I may have actually have
 already upgraded from the Voodoo 3 to a Radeon 9250 PCI card
 a year two prior to that and then finally realised that I
 could upgrade by just pulling the 9250 out and using the
 motherboard's inbuilt Radeon RS480 because the upgraded Xorg
 finally had support for that. But either way the story is
 *qualitatively* the same--and frankly I prefer it the way
 I originally remembered it :))

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16.04 SSD Re: Upstart issues with Ubuntu 14.04.

2016-09-09 Thread Bill Ricker 
On Sep 9, 2016 23:05, "Joshua Judson Rosen"  wrote:
>
> On 09/09/2016 12:06 PM, Richard Kolb II wrote:
> > Not exactly related, but I just switched from windows 7 on my primary
> > machine to Ubuntu 16.x LTS. I found it horribly slow, which surprised
> > me considering it's a faster machine, more ram, and an SSD, over my
> > 14.x LTS machine.
>
> Does it perhaps have a worse graphics card--or perhaps even just
> a _worse-supported_ graphics card? Bottlenecks can be
> at the near end just as well as they can be at the far end

If you run "Additional Drivers", it will inform you if there is a nonlibre
driver that might perform better.

xenial 16.04LTS with SSD, Intel graphics is amazing fast here.
(Intel NUK6i7kyk and EVO950pro nvme m.2 SSD . mDP works fine, HDMI didn't
do 4k for me. )

Don't be fooled by SATA mode m.2 SSDs, they're better than rotary drives
but they aren't the m.2 you are looking for!
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