Re: NH Linux laptop builders (was: SMART data & Self tests, not sure if my SSD is on it's last gasp)

[Joshua Judson Rosen]

On 1/6/21 4:16 PM, Bill Ricker wrote:
> 
> 
> On Wed, Jan 6, 2021 at 3:45 PM Joshua Judson Rosen  > wrote:
> 
> Showtime Computer  > in Hudson now does custom-built laptops,
> as of some time in the last few years IIRC. They look like they're based 
> on the same ODM kits
> as the other Linux boutiques I've shopped, and should be solid.
> 
> 
> ?? I do NOT see Linux listed on their Operating Systems page (except for a 
> WSL mention on WinSvr page).

Sorry, I didn't mean to imply that Showtime was itself a `Linux boutique',
just to say that they are apparently capable of assembling the same laptop 
hardware as ZaReason and ThinkPenguin
were selling when last I'd looked; I'm not sure what the Showtime staff's level 
of Linux savvy is,
or if you'd need to bring your own savvy about chipsets and/or 
software-installation/-setup when
picking components for them to put together into a laptop.

It might be worth asking them.

While the experiences I've had with Showtime have been great,
the scope so far has been limited to buying hardware accessories and 
occasionally
having them help me figure out which accessory I need.

I'm not sure where I'll get *my* next laptop--they're on my list of places to 
look,
but my next laptop purchase is probably at least another year away.

> ThinkPenguin  > is also based in NH again (Keene, last I 
> heard);
> 
> Interesting
> 
> looks like they've may have stopped doing laptops for the time being, 
> though
> (I don't see any in the listing on their website, just accessories; they 
> have _desktops_...).
> 
> Too bad
> 
> I was buying all of my computers from ZaReason, but they just went out of 
> business
> ("Unfortunately, the pandemic has been the final KO blow. It has hit our 
> little town hard
>     and we have not been able to recover from it.
>     As of Tuesday, 11/24/20 17:00 EST ZaReason is no longer in 
> business.").
> 
> 
> Sad.

Indeed! I bought my first ZaReason machine in ~2011, and bought several in the 
intervening years--
including laptops, desktops, small servers, large servers..., and they were 
always a joy:
even fairly exotic requests like "could you install Debian on it with RAID-5 
across 4 disks and LVM on top of that,
and with an initial user login named suchandsuch" were things that they'd 
happily do as part of their setup.

They'd send photos of new laptops when I asked what the access-panels on the 
bottom looked like before ordering.

And I even have a nice little ZaReason-branded phillips-head screwdriver that 
they send to make DIY hardware-upgrades extra easy.


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Re: SMART data & Self tests, not sure if my SSD is on it's last gasp

[Bruce Labitt]

To put some bounds on this, I'm currently looking at an Oryx Pro.  I have
it tricked out to $2100.  i7-10875H, 32GB 3200MHz RAM, RTX2060 6GB, 1TB
NVME seq. RD 3500MB/s, seq WR 3300 MB/s, 15.6" display 1080p.  Seems to be
the best combination of stuff I can find for the price.  Can a standard
make laptop beat that and be relatively painless linux compatible?

On Wed, Jan 6, 2021 at 4:17 PM Bill Ricker  wrote:

>
>
> On Wed, Jan 6, 2021 at 3:45 PM Joshua Judson Rosen 
> wrote:
>
>> Showtime Computer  in Hudson now does
>> custom-built laptops,
>> as of some time in the last few years IIRC. They look like they're based
>> on the same ODM kits
>> as the other Linux boutiques I've shopped, and should be solid.
>>
>
> ?? I do NOT see Linux listed on their Operating Systems page (except for a
> WSL mention on WinSvr page).
>
> ThinkPenguin  is also based in NH again
>> (Keene, last I heard);
>>
> Interesting
>
>> looks like they've may have stopped doing laptops for the time being,
>> though
>> (I don't see any in the listing on their website, just accessories; they
>> have _desktops_...).
>>
> Too bad
>
>
>> I was buying all of my computers from ZaReason, but they just went out of
>> business
>> ("Unfortunately, the pandemic has been the final KO blow. It has hit our
>> little town hard
>>and we have not been able to recover from it.
>>As of Tuesday, 11/24/20 17:00 EST ZaReason is no longer in business.").
>>
>
> Sad.
>
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Re: SMART data & Self tests, not sure if my SSD is on it's last gasp

[Bill Ricker]

On Wed, Jan 6, 2021 at 3:45 PM Joshua Judson Rosen 
wrote:

> Showtime Computer  in Hudson now does
> custom-built laptops,
> as of some time in the last few years IIRC. They look like they're based
> on the same ODM kits
> as the other Linux boutiques I've shopped, and should be solid.
>

?? I do NOT see Linux listed on their Operating Systems page (except for a
WSL mention on WinSvr page).

ThinkPenguin  is also based in NH again
> (Keene, last I heard);
>
Interesting

> looks like they've may have stopped doing laptops for the time being,
> though
> (I don't see any in the listing on their website, just accessories; they
> have _desktops_...).
>
Too bad


> I was buying all of my computers from ZaReason, but they just went out of
> business
> ("Unfortunately, the pandemic has been the final KO blow. It has hit our
> little town hard
>and we have not been able to recover from it.
>As of Tuesday, 11/24/20 17:00 EST ZaReason is no longer in business.").
>

Sad.
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Re: SMART data & Self tests, not sure if my SSD is on it's last gasp

[Joshua Judson Rosen]

On 1/6/21 3:07 PM, Bruce Labitt wrote:
> Checked the media, both are readable using the RPI4.  Seems like the power 
> supply is failing.  It's cycling on and off even with no media, dvd, or 
> drives.  I think this is a dead parrot.
> 
> Well, that was fun.  Uh, not really.
> 
> Guess I need to go computer shopping.  It was an i7, 32GB RAM, 17" screen.  
> It had a nvidia GPU so I could play with CUDA.  What's out there that's at 
> least as good performance wise and not a PIA to convert to linux.  It was a 
> Bonobo Extreme 6.  At the time it was pretty high 
> end.  My BonX6 was a boat anchor, but since it hardly moved, it wasn't a 
> problem.  Of course, light and performance is good too.  Any good laptops out 
> there?  Been out of the loop a while.

Showtime Computer  in Hudson now does custom-built 
laptops,
as of some time in the last few years IIRC. They look like they're based on the 
same ODM kits
as the other Linux boutiques I've shopped, and should be solid.

ThinkPenguin  is also based in NH again (Keene, 
last I heard);
looks like they've may have stopped doing laptops for the time being, though
(I don't see any in the listing on their website, just accessories; they have 
_desktops_...).

I was buying all of my computers from ZaReason, but they just went out of 
business
("Unfortunately, the pandemic has been the final KO blow. It has hit our little 
town hard
   and we have not been able to recover from it.
   As of Tuesday, 11/24/20 17:00 EST ZaReason is no longer in business.").

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Re: SMART data & Self tests, not sure if my SSD is on it's last gasp

[Jerry Feldman]

Yeah. Laptops are not intended to last that long.

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On Wed, Jan 6, 2021, 3:22 PM Bruce Labitt  wrote:

> It would be a lot easier if this was a desktop.  I had a PC supply
> capacitor explode once.  That was exciting, as I was in the room at the
> time.  Boom!  Lots of smoke.  One of the high voltage electrolytic caps
> popped.  Replaced the power supply and was good to go again.
>
> Laptops, especially 7 year old ones, probably won't be able to be
> repaired.   Well, this laptop went out with a whimper...  Wouldn't surprise
> me if it was a bad electrolytic cap.  Wasn't there a bad run of them a
> decade or so ago?
>
> On Wed, Jan 6, 2021 at 3:11 PM Jerry Feldman  wrote:
>
>> Power supply failures can cause lots of issues. I've changed a few. For
>> me a quick trip to micro center allowed me to get stuff up and running.
>>
>> --
>> Jerry Feldman 
>> Boston Linux and Unix http://www.blu.org
>> PGP key id: 6F6BB6E7
>> PGP Key fingerprint: 0EDC 2FF5 53A6 8EED 84D1  3050 5715 B88D 6F6
>> B B6E7
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 6, 2021, 3:07 PM Bruce Labitt  wrote:
>>
>>> Checked the media, both are readable using the RPI4.  Seems like the
>>> power supply is failing.  It's cycling on and off even with no media, dvd,
>>> or drives.  I think this is a dead parrot.
>>>
>>> Well, that was fun.  Uh, not really.
>>>
>>> Guess I need to go computer shopping.  It was an i7, 32GB RAM, 17"
>>> screen.  It had a nvidia GPU so I could play with CUDA.  What's out there
>>> that's at least as good performance wise and not a PIA to convert to
>>> linux.  It was a Bonobo Extreme 6.  At the time it was pretty high end.  My
>>> BonX6 was a boat anchor, but since it hardly moved, it wasn't a problem.
>>> Of course, light and performance is good too.  Any good laptops out there?
>>> Been out of the loop a while.
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jan 6, 2021 at 1:33 PM Bruce Labitt  wrote:
>>>
 One more oddity, when I turned it off by pressing the power off button,
 the laptop went off, then started again.  Is this a clue?

 On Wed, Jan 6, 2021 at 1:31 PM Bruce Labitt  wrote:

> I yanked the battery, and all the disks.  Tried booting with AC
> power.  And no usb stick.  I get the same behavior.  Does not respond to
> F2, F7, or Func-F2 or Func-F7.  :(  No fan comes on.  If I try the USB
> stick and power up, same behavior, except the fan has some activity.  Not
> looking good...  Guess I could go deeper into disassembly, maybe finding a
> weird crimped or mangled cable, or dust filled something or another, but
> not looking good at all...  Anything else it could be?  Don't know if this
> is a clue at all.  Next to last boot (with original disk) was 8 minutes.
> Last boot (with original disk) was 28 minutes .  Is this a sagging or
> failing power supply?  What else electrical could it be?
>
> On Wed, Jan 6, 2021 at 12:49 PM  wrote:
>
>> Yank the SSD and USB and see if it boots.  That will at least isolate
>> if either of those are involved.
>>
>> On Jan 6, 2021 12:10 PM, Bruce Labitt  wrote:
>>
>> Sorry to bother you, that is, if I haven 't been put on a giant
>> ignore list.  Replaced disk with new bigger SSD.  Unfortunately, the 
>> laptop
>> is not booting to the USB stick.  I haven't even gotten to any video
>> console yet, grub, bios, nada.  I get occasional flashes of the disk
>> activity light and nothing else.  Posting from an RPI4 now.  Tried 
>> various
>> combinations of F2, F7, and no screen activity.  :(  Basically in the 
>> place
>> I didn't want to be with my primary computer.
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 6, 2021 at 10:27 AM Bruce Labitt 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Found out how to check the whole usb disk.  $ sudo sha256sum -b
>> /dev/sdx  Sudo was required.  Hope to be back and running soon...  Sorry
>> for all the noise.
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 6, 2021 at 10:03 AM Bruce Labitt 
>> wrote:
>>
>> System76 thinks it's the ssd.  Machine strangely got locked up while
>> trying to start the arduino IDE, forcing me to power off the laptop.  
>> Took
>> 28 minutes to boot!  And 12 seconds after handing off to the OS.
>> So it's time to do this.  I just backed up /home, /opt and /etc.
>> Anything else I should do before replacing the disk?  Just checked the
>> sha256sum on the iso.  How do I check if the USB stick I burned is ok?
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Jan 2, 2021 at 10:14 PM Bruce Labitt <
>> bruce.lab...@myfairpoint.net> wrote:
>>
>> Think it's a driver issue.  Looked in journalctl and there's some
>> errors
>> indicated.  One is a video issue, another is some sort of permissions
>> issue for user who isn't me.  The permissions issue is with
>> tracker-miner, which I find to be highly annoying.  

Re: SMART data & Self tests, not sure if my SSD is on it's last gasp

[Bruce Labitt]

It would be a lot easier if this was a desktop.  I had a PC supply
capacitor explode once.  That was exciting, as I was in the room at the
time.  Boom!  Lots of smoke.  One of the high voltage electrolytic caps
popped.  Replaced the power supply and was good to go again.

Laptops, especially 7 year old ones, probably won't be able to be
repaired.   Well, this laptop went out with a whimper...  Wouldn't surprise
me if it was a bad electrolytic cap.  Wasn't there a bad run of them a
decade or so ago?

On Wed, Jan 6, 2021 at 3:11 PM Jerry Feldman  wrote:

> Power supply failures can cause lots of issues. I've changed a few. For me
> a quick trip to micro center allowed me to get stuff up and running.
>
> --
> Jerry Feldman 
> Boston Linux and Unix http://www.blu.org
> PGP key id: 6F6BB6E7
> PGP Key fingerprint: 0EDC 2FF5 53A6 8EED 84D1  3050 5715 B88D 6F6
> B B6E7
>
> On Wed, Jan 6, 2021, 3:07 PM Bruce Labitt  wrote:
>
>> Checked the media, both are readable using the RPI4.  Seems like the
>> power supply is failing.  It's cycling on and off even with no media, dvd,
>> or drives.  I think this is a dead parrot.
>>
>> Well, that was fun.  Uh, not really.
>>
>> Guess I need to go computer shopping.  It was an i7, 32GB RAM, 17"
>> screen.  It had a nvidia GPU so I could play with CUDA.  What's out there
>> that's at least as good performance wise and not a PIA to convert to
>> linux.  It was a Bonobo Extreme 6.  At the time it was pretty high end.  My
>> BonX6 was a boat anchor, but since it hardly moved, it wasn't a problem.
>> Of course, light and performance is good too.  Any good laptops out there?
>> Been out of the loop a while.
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 6, 2021 at 1:33 PM Bruce Labitt  wrote:
>>
>>> One more oddity, when I turned it off by pressing the power off button,
>>> the laptop went off, then started again.  Is this a clue?
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jan 6, 2021 at 1:31 PM Bruce Labitt  wrote:
>>>
 I yanked the battery, and all the disks.  Tried booting with AC power.
 And no usb stick.  I get the same behavior.  Does not respond to F2, F7, or
 Func-F2 or Func-F7.  :(  No fan comes on.  If I try the USB stick and power
 up, same behavior, except the fan has some activity.  Not looking good...
 Guess I could go deeper into disassembly, maybe finding a weird crimped or
 mangled cable, or dust filled something or another, but not looking good at
 all...  Anything else it could be?  Don't know if this is a clue at all.
 Next to last boot (with original disk) was 8 minutes.  Last boot (with
 original disk) was 28 minutes .  Is this a sagging or failing power
 supply?  What else electrical could it be?

 On Wed, Jan 6, 2021 at 12:49 PM  wrote:

> Yank the SSD and USB and see if it boots.  That will at least isolate
> if either of those are involved.
>
> On Jan 6, 2021 12:10 PM, Bruce Labitt  wrote:
>
> Sorry to bother you, that is, if I haven 't been put on a giant ignore
> list.  Replaced disk with new bigger SSD.  Unfortunately, the laptop is 
> not
> booting to the USB stick.  I haven't even gotten to any video console yet,
> grub, bios, nada.  I get occasional flashes of the disk activity light and
> nothing else.  Posting from an RPI4 now.  Tried various combinations of 
> F2,
> F7, and no screen activity.  :(  Basically in the place I didn't want to 
> be
> with my primary computer.
>
> On Wed, Jan 6, 2021 at 10:27 AM Bruce Labitt 
> wrote:
>
> Found out how to check the whole usb disk.  $ sudo sha256sum -b
> /dev/sdx  Sudo was required.  Hope to be back and running soon...  Sorry
> for all the noise.
>
> On Wed, Jan 6, 2021 at 10:03 AM Bruce Labitt 
> wrote:
>
> System76 thinks it's the ssd.  Machine strangely got locked up while
> trying to start the arduino IDE, forcing me to power off the laptop.  Took
> 28 minutes to boot!  And 12 seconds after handing off to the OS.
> So it's time to do this.  I just backed up /home, /opt and /etc.
> Anything else I should do before replacing the disk?  Just checked the
> sha256sum on the iso.  How do I check if the USB stick I burned is ok?
>
>
> On Sat, Jan 2, 2021 at 10:14 PM Bruce Labitt <
> bruce.lab...@myfairpoint.net> wrote:
>
> Think it's a driver issue.  Looked in journalctl and there's some
> errors
> indicated.  One is a video issue, another is some sort of permissions
> issue for user who isn't me.  The permissions issue is with
> tracker-miner, which I find to be highly annoying.  Not quite sure how
> to disable it cleanly with low system impact.
>
> Last fsck was 3 months ago.  Next one is due in 3 months.  So it
> wasn't
> an overdue fsck...  So I'm not so sure it's disk related at all.
>
> Have contacted system76 and sent them logs.  If I recall correctly,
> the
> issue seems to be closely related to a driver c

Re: SMART data & Self tests, not sure if my SSD is on it's last gasp

[Jerry Feldman]

Power supply failures can cause lots of issues. I've changed a few. For me
a quick trip to micro center allowed me to get stuff up and running.

--
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Boston Linux and Unix http://www.blu.org
PGP key id: 6F6BB6E7
PGP Key fingerprint: 0EDC 2FF5 53A6 8EED 84D1  3050 5715 B88D 6F6
B B6E7

On Wed, Jan 6, 2021, 3:07 PM Bruce Labitt  wrote:

> Checked the media, both are readable using the RPI4.  Seems like the power
> supply is failing.  It's cycling on and off even with no media, dvd, or
> drives.  I think this is a dead parrot.
>
> Well, that was fun.  Uh, not really.
>
> Guess I need to go computer shopping.  It was an i7, 32GB RAM, 17"
> screen.  It had a nvidia GPU so I could play with CUDA.  What's out there
> that's at least as good performance wise and not a PIA to convert to
> linux.  It was a Bonobo Extreme 6.  At the time it was pretty high end.  My
> BonX6 was a boat anchor, but since it hardly moved, it wasn't a problem.
> Of course, light and performance is good too.  Any good laptops out there?
> Been out of the loop a while.
>
> On Wed, Jan 6, 2021 at 1:33 PM Bruce Labitt  wrote:
>
>> One more oddity, when I turned it off by pressing the power off button,
>> the laptop went off, then started again.  Is this a clue?
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 6, 2021 at 1:31 PM Bruce Labitt  wrote:
>>
>>> I yanked the battery, and all the disks.  Tried booting with AC power.
>>> And no usb stick.  I get the same behavior.  Does not respond to F2, F7, or
>>> Func-F2 or Func-F7.  :(  No fan comes on.  If I try the USB stick and power
>>> up, same behavior, except the fan has some activity.  Not looking good...
>>> Guess I could go deeper into disassembly, maybe finding a weird crimped or
>>> mangled cable, or dust filled something or another, but not looking good at
>>> all...  Anything else it could be?  Don't know if this is a clue at all.
>>> Next to last boot (with original disk) was 8 minutes.  Last boot (with
>>> original disk) was 28 minutes .  Is this a sagging or failing power
>>> supply?  What else electrical could it be?
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jan 6, 2021 at 12:49 PM  wrote:
>>>
 Yank the SSD and USB and see if it boots.  That will at least isolate
 if either of those are involved.

 On Jan 6, 2021 12:10 PM, Bruce Labitt  wrote:

 Sorry to bother you, that is, if I haven 't been put on a giant ignore
 list.  Replaced disk with new bigger SSD.  Unfortunately, the laptop is not
 booting to the USB stick.  I haven't even gotten to any video console yet,
 grub, bios, nada.  I get occasional flashes of the disk activity light and
 nothing else.  Posting from an RPI4 now.  Tried various combinations of F2,
 F7, and no screen activity.  :(  Basically in the place I didn't want to be
 with my primary computer.

 On Wed, Jan 6, 2021 at 10:27 AM Bruce Labitt 
 wrote:

 Found out how to check the whole usb disk.  $ sudo sha256sum -b
 /dev/sdx  Sudo was required.  Hope to be back and running soon...  Sorry
 for all the noise.

 On Wed, Jan 6, 2021 at 10:03 AM Bruce Labitt 
 wrote:

 System76 thinks it's the ssd.  Machine strangely got locked up while
 trying to start the arduino IDE, forcing me to power off the laptop.  Took
 28 minutes to boot!  And 12 seconds after handing off to the OS.
 So it's time to do this.  I just backed up /home, /opt and /etc.
 Anything else I should do before replacing the disk?  Just checked the
 sha256sum on the iso.  How do I check if the USB stick I burned is ok?


 On Sat, Jan 2, 2021 at 10:14 PM Bruce Labitt <
 bruce.lab...@myfairpoint.net> wrote:

 Think it's a driver issue.  Looked in journalctl and there's some
 errors
 indicated.  One is a video issue, another is some sort of permissions
 issue for user who isn't me.  The permissions issue is with
 tracker-miner, which I find to be highly annoying.  Not quite sure how
 to disable it cleanly with low system impact.

 Last fsck was 3 months ago.  Next one is due in 3 months.  So it wasn't
 an overdue fsck...  So I'm not so sure it's disk related at all.

 Have contacted system76 and sent them logs.  If I recall correctly, the
 issue seems to be closely related to a driver change (issued by
 system76).  Of course, they are still on break...

 Nonetheless, waiting 8-10 minutes for boot is awful.  I don't even
 think
 my first IBM PC was that slow, even with a boot from floppy disk.


 On 1/2/21 9:15 PM, r...@mrt4.com wrote:
 > Examine the time stamps on the syslog and compare them to previous
 nominal boots. That should indicate where the issue is. If all log entries
 indicate long delays, then it is something systemic like memory, storage,
 CPU, a thermal issue, etc. (Note: A systemic issue is not necessarily a
 hardware fault because a HW device can be incorrectly configured when it is
 initialized

Re: SMART data & Self tests, not sure if my SSD is on it's last gasp

[Bruce Labitt]

Checked the media, both are readable using the RPI4.  Seems like the power
supply is failing.  It's cycling on and off even with no media, dvd, or
drives.  I think this is a dead parrot.

Well, that was fun.  Uh, not really.

Guess I need to go computer shopping.  It was an i7, 32GB RAM, 17" screen.
It had a nvidia GPU so I could play with CUDA.  What's out there that's at
least as good performance wise and not a PIA to convert to linux.  It was a
Bonobo Extreme 6.  At the time it was pretty high end.  My BonX6 was a boat
anchor, but since it hardly moved, it wasn't a problem.  Of course, light
and performance is good too.  Any good laptops out there?  Been out of the
loop a while.

On Wed, Jan 6, 2021 at 1:33 PM Bruce Labitt  wrote:

> One more oddity, when I turned it off by pressing the power off button,
> the laptop went off, then started again.  Is this a clue?
>
> On Wed, Jan 6, 2021 at 1:31 PM Bruce Labitt  wrote:
>
>> I yanked the battery, and all the disks.  Tried booting with AC power.
>> And no usb stick.  I get the same behavior.  Does not respond to F2, F7, or
>> Func-F2 or Func-F7.  :(  No fan comes on.  If I try the USB stick and power
>> up, same behavior, except the fan has some activity.  Not looking good...
>> Guess I could go deeper into disassembly, maybe finding a weird crimped or
>> mangled cable, or dust filled something or another, but not looking good at
>> all...  Anything else it could be?  Don't know if this is a clue at all.
>> Next to last boot (with original disk) was 8 minutes.  Last boot (with
>> original disk) was 28 minutes .  Is this a sagging or failing power
>> supply?  What else electrical could it be?
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 6, 2021 at 12:49 PM  wrote:
>>
>>> Yank the SSD and USB and see if it boots.  That will at least isolate if
>>> either of those are involved.
>>>
>>> On Jan 6, 2021 12:10 PM, Bruce Labitt  wrote:
>>>
>>> Sorry to bother you, that is, if I haven 't been put on a giant ignore
>>> list.  Replaced disk with new bigger SSD.  Unfortunately, the laptop is not
>>> booting to the USB stick.  I haven't even gotten to any video console yet,
>>> grub, bios, nada.  I get occasional flashes of the disk activity light and
>>> nothing else.  Posting from an RPI4 now.  Tried various combinations of F2,
>>> F7, and no screen activity.  :(  Basically in the place I didn't want to be
>>> with my primary computer.
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jan 6, 2021 at 10:27 AM Bruce Labitt  wrote:
>>>
>>> Found out how to check the whole usb disk.  $ sudo sha256sum -b
>>> /dev/sdx  Sudo was required.  Hope to be back and running soon...  Sorry
>>> for all the noise.
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jan 6, 2021 at 10:03 AM Bruce Labitt  wrote:
>>>
>>> System76 thinks it's the ssd.  Machine strangely got locked up while
>>> trying to start the arduino IDE, forcing me to power off the laptop.  Took
>>> 28 minutes to boot!  And 12 seconds after handing off to the OS.
>>> So it's time to do this.  I just backed up /home, /opt and /etc.
>>> Anything else I should do before replacing the disk?  Just checked the
>>> sha256sum on the iso.  How do I check if the USB stick I burned is ok?
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Jan 2, 2021 at 10:14 PM Bruce Labitt <
>>> bruce.lab...@myfairpoint.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> Think it's a driver issue.  Looked in journalctl and there's some errors
>>> indicated.  One is a video issue, another is some sort of permissions
>>> issue for user who isn't me.  The permissions issue is with
>>> tracker-miner, which I find to be highly annoying.  Not quite sure how
>>> to disable it cleanly with low system impact.
>>>
>>> Last fsck was 3 months ago.  Next one is due in 3 months.  So it wasn't
>>> an overdue fsck...  So I'm not so sure it's disk related at all.
>>>
>>> Have contacted system76 and sent them logs.  If I recall correctly, the
>>> issue seems to be closely related to a driver change (issued by
>>> system76).  Of course, they are still on break...
>>>
>>> Nonetheless, waiting 8-10 minutes for boot is awful.  I don't even think
>>> my first IBM PC was that slow, even with a boot from floppy disk.
>>>
>>>
>>> On 1/2/21 9:15 PM, r...@mrt4.com wrote:
>>> > Examine the time stamps on the syslog and compare them to previous
>>> nominal boots. That should indicate where the issue is. If all log entries
>>> indicate long delays, then it is something systemic like memory, storage,
>>> CPU, a thermal issue, etc. (Note: A systemic issue is not necessarily a
>>> hardware fault because a HW device can be incorrectly configured when it is
>>> initialized.)
>>> >
>>> > If it was a one-time occurrence then it was most likely an overdue
>>> fsck, but syslog will indicate that if that's the case.
>>> >
>>> > Ronald Smith
>>> >
>>> > --
>>> >
>>> > On Wed, 30 Dec 2020 14:04:43 -0500
>>> > Bruce Labitt  wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> I think I have a SSD on the way out.  Last reboot took a REALLY long
>>> >> time.  Like 30 minutes.  I ran the smart data and self test and the
>>> SSD
>>> >> passes.  Overall as

Re: SMART data & Self tests, not sure if my SSD is on it's last gasp

[mkomarinski]

Sounds like a problem with the motherboard.On Jan 6, 2021 1:33 PM, Bruce Labitt  wrote:One more oddity, when I turned it off by pressing the power off button, the laptop went off, then started again.  Is this a clue?On Wed, Jan 6, 2021 at 1:31 PM Bruce Labitt  wrote:I yanked the battery, and all the disks.  Tried booting with AC power.  And no usb stick.  I get the same behavior.  Does not respond to F2, F7, or Func-F2 or Func-F7.  :(  No fan comes on.  If I try the USB stick and power up, same behavior, except the fan has some activity.  Not looking good...  Guess I could go deeper into disassembly, maybe finding a weird crimped or mangled cable, or dust filled something or another, but not looking good at all...  Anything else it could be?  Don't know if this is a clue at all.  Next to last boot (with original disk) was 8 minutes.  Last boot (with original disk) was 28 minutes .  Is this a sagging or failing power supply?  What else electrical could it be?On Wed, Jan 6, 2021 at 12:49 PM  wrote:Yank the SSD and USB and see if it boots.  That will at least isolate if either of those are involved. On Jan 6, 2021 12:10 PM, Bruce Labitt  wrote:Sorry to bother you, that is, if I haven 't been put on a giant ignore list.  Replaced disk with new bigger SSD.  Unfortunately, the laptop is not booting to the USB stick.  I haven't even gotten to any video console yet, grub, bios, nada.  I get occasional flashes of the disk activity light and nothing else.  Posting from an RPI4 now.  Tried various combinations of F2, F7, and no screen activity.  :(  Basically in the place I didn't want to be with my primary computer.On Wed, Jan 6, 2021 at 10:27 AM Bruce Labitt  wrote:Found out how to check the whole usb disk.  $ sudo sha256sum -b /dev/sdx  Sudo was required.  Hope to be back and running soon...  Sorry for all the noise.On Wed, Jan 6, 2021 at 10:03 AM Bruce Labitt  wrote:System76 thinks it's the ssd.  Machine strangely got locked up while trying to start the arduino IDE, forcing me to power off the laptop.  Took 28 minutes to boot!  And 12 seconds after handing off to the OS.So it's time to do this.  I just backed up /home, /opt and /etc.  Anything else I should do before replacing the disk?  Just checked the sha256sum on the iso.  How do I check if the USB stick I burned is ok?On Sat, Jan 2, 2021 at 10:14 PM Bruce Labitt  wrote:Think it's a driver issue.  Looked in journalctl and there's some errors 
indicated.  One is a video issue, another is some sort of permissions 
issue for user who isn't me.  The permissions issue is with 
tracker-miner, which I find to be highly annoying.  Not quite sure how 
to disable it cleanly with low system impact.

Last fsck was 3 months ago.  Next one is due in 3 months.  So it wasn't 
an overdue fsck...  So I'm not so sure it's disk related at all.

Have contacted system76 and sent them logs.  If I recall correctly, the 
issue seems to be closely related to a driver change (issued by 
system76).  Of course, they are still on break...

Nonetheless, waiting 8-10 minutes for boot is awful.  I don't even think 
my first IBM PC was that slow, even with a boot from floppy disk.


On 1/2/21 9:15 PM, r270@mrt4.com wrote:
> Examine the time stamps on the syslog and compare them to previous nominal boots. That should indicate where the issue is. If all log entries indicate long delays, then it is something systemic like memory, storage, CPU, a thermal issue, etc. (Note: A systemic issue is not necessarily a hardware fault because a HW device can be incorrectly configured when it is initialized.)
>
> If it was a one-time occurrence then it was most likely an overdue fsck, but syslog will indicate that if that's the case.
>
> Ronald Smith
>
> --
>
> On Wed, 30 Dec 2020 14:04:43 -0500
> Bruce Labitt  wrote:
>
>> I think I have a SSD on the way out.  Last reboot took a REALLY long
>> time.  Like 30 minutes.  I ran the smart data and self test and the SSD
>> passes.  Overall assessment is disk is ok.  I really don't know how to
>> interpret what the results are.
>>
>> I think the disk is in pre-fail based on the smartctl output below
>>
>> /snip
>>
>> === START OF INFORMATION SECTION ===
>> Model Family: Crucial/Micron RealSSD m4/C400/P400
>> Device Model: M4-CT256M4SSD2
>> Serial Number:    1247091DC2FF
>> LU WWN Device Id: 5 00a075 1091dc2ff
>> Firmware Version: 040H
>> User Capacity:    256,060,514,304 bytes [256 GB]
>> Sector Size:  512 bytes logical/physical
>> Rotation Rate:    Solid State Device
>> Form Factor:  2.5 inches
>> Device is:    In smartctl database [for details use: -P show]
>> ATA Version is:   ACS-2, ATA8-ACS T13/1699-D revision 6
>> SATA Version is:  SATA 3.0, 6.0 Gb/s (current: 6.0 Gb/s)
>> Local Time is:    Wed De

Re: SMART data & Self tests, not sure if my SSD is on it's last gasp

[Bruce Labitt]

One more oddity, when I turned it off by pressing the power off button, the
laptop went off, then started again.  Is this a clue?

On Wed, Jan 6, 2021 at 1:31 PM Bruce Labitt  wrote:

> I yanked the battery, and all the disks.  Tried booting with AC power.
> And no usb stick.  I get the same behavior.  Does not respond to F2, F7, or
> Func-F2 or Func-F7.  :(  No fan comes on.  If I try the USB stick and power
> up, same behavior, except the fan has some activity.  Not looking good...
> Guess I could go deeper into disassembly, maybe finding a weird crimped or
> mangled cable, or dust filled something or another, but not looking good at
> all...  Anything else it could be?  Don't know if this is a clue at all.
> Next to last boot (with original disk) was 8 minutes.  Last boot (with
> original disk) was 28 minutes .  Is this a sagging or failing power
> supply?  What else electrical could it be?
>
> On Wed, Jan 6, 2021 at 12:49 PM  wrote:
>
>> Yank the SSD and USB and see if it boots.  That will at least isolate if
>> either of those are involved.
>>
>> On Jan 6, 2021 12:10 PM, Bruce Labitt  wrote:
>>
>> Sorry to bother you, that is, if I haven 't been put on a giant ignore
>> list.  Replaced disk with new bigger SSD.  Unfortunately, the laptop is not
>> booting to the USB stick.  I haven't even gotten to any video console yet,
>> grub, bios, nada.  I get occasional flashes of the disk activity light and
>> nothing else.  Posting from an RPI4 now.  Tried various combinations of F2,
>> F7, and no screen activity.  :(  Basically in the place I didn't want to be
>> with my primary computer.
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 6, 2021 at 10:27 AM Bruce Labitt  wrote:
>>
>> Found out how to check the whole usb disk.  $ sudo sha256sum -b /dev/sdx
>> Sudo was required.  Hope to be back and running soon...  Sorry for all the
>> noise.
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 6, 2021 at 10:03 AM Bruce Labitt  wrote:
>>
>> System76 thinks it's the ssd.  Machine strangely got locked up while
>> trying to start the arduino IDE, forcing me to power off the laptop.  Took
>> 28 minutes to boot!  And 12 seconds after handing off to the OS.
>> So it's time to do this.  I just backed up /home, /opt and /etc.
>> Anything else I should do before replacing the disk?  Just checked the
>> sha256sum on the iso.  How do I check if the USB stick I burned is ok?
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Jan 2, 2021 at 10:14 PM Bruce Labitt <
>> bruce.lab...@myfairpoint.net> wrote:
>>
>> Think it's a driver issue.  Looked in journalctl and there's some errors
>> indicated.  One is a video issue, another is some sort of permissions
>> issue for user who isn't me.  The permissions issue is with
>> tracker-miner, which I find to be highly annoying.  Not quite sure how
>> to disable it cleanly with low system impact.
>>
>> Last fsck was 3 months ago.  Next one is due in 3 months.  So it wasn't
>> an overdue fsck...  So I'm not so sure it's disk related at all.
>>
>> Have contacted system76 and sent them logs.  If I recall correctly, the
>> issue seems to be closely related to a driver change (issued by
>> system76).  Of course, they are still on break...
>>
>> Nonetheless, waiting 8-10 minutes for boot is awful.  I don't even think
>> my first IBM PC was that slow, even with a boot from floppy disk.
>>
>>
>> On 1/2/21 9:15 PM, r...@mrt4.com wrote:
>> > Examine the time stamps on the syslog and compare them to previous
>> nominal boots. That should indicate where the issue is. If all log entries
>> indicate long delays, then it is something systemic like memory, storage,
>> CPU, a thermal issue, etc. (Note: A systemic issue is not necessarily a
>> hardware fault because a HW device can be incorrectly configured when it is
>> initialized.)
>> >
>> > If it was a one-time occurrence then it was most likely an overdue
>> fsck, but syslog will indicate that if that's the case.
>> >
>> > Ronald Smith
>> >
>> > --
>> >
>> > On Wed, 30 Dec 2020 14:04:43 -0500
>> > Bruce Labitt  wrote:
>> >
>> >> I think I have a SSD on the way out.  Last reboot took a REALLY long
>> >> time.  Like 30 minutes.  I ran the smart data and self test and the SSD
>> >> passes.  Overall assessment is disk is ok.  I really don't know how to
>> >> interpret what the results are.
>> >>
>> >> I think the disk is in pre-fail based on the smartctl output below
>> >>
>> >> /snip
>> >>
>> >> === START OF INFORMATION SECTION ===
>> >> Model Family: Crucial/Micron RealSSD m4/C400/P400
>> >> Device Model: M4-CT256M4SSD2
>> >> Serial Number:1247091DC2FF
>> >> LU WWN Device Id: 5 00a075 1091dc2ff
>> >> Firmware Version: 040H
>> >> User Capacity:256,060,514,304 bytes [256 GB]
>> >> Sector Size:  512 bytes logical/physical
>> >> Rotation Rate:Solid State Device
>> >> Form Factor:  2.5 inches
>> >> Device is:In smartctl database [for details use: -P show]
>> >> ATA Version is:   ACS-2, ATA8-ACS T13/1699-D revision 6
>> >> SATA Version is:  SATA 3.0, 6.0 Gb/s (current: 6.0 Gb/s)
>> >> Lo

Re: SMART data & Self tests, not sure if my SSD is on it's last gasp

[Bruce Labitt]

I yanked the battery, and all the disks.  Tried booting with AC power.  And
no usb stick.  I get the same behavior.  Does not respond to F2, F7, or
Func-F2 or Func-F7.  :(  No fan comes on.  If I try the USB stick and power
up, same behavior, except the fan has some activity.  Not looking good...
Guess I could go deeper into disassembly, maybe finding a weird crimped or
mangled cable, or dust filled something or another, but not looking good at
all...  Anything else it could be?  Don't know if this is a clue at all.
Next to last boot (with original disk) was 8 minutes.  Last boot (with
original disk) was 28 minutes .  Is this a sagging or failing power
supply?  What else electrical could it be?

On Wed, Jan 6, 2021 at 12:49 PM  wrote:

> Yank the SSD and USB and see if it boots.  That will at least isolate if
> either of those are involved.
>
> On Jan 6, 2021 12:10 PM, Bruce Labitt  wrote:
>
> Sorry to bother you, that is, if I haven 't been put on a giant ignore
> list.  Replaced disk with new bigger SSD.  Unfortunately, the laptop is not
> booting to the USB stick.  I haven't even gotten to any video console yet,
> grub, bios, nada.  I get occasional flashes of the disk activity light and
> nothing else.  Posting from an RPI4 now.  Tried various combinations of F2,
> F7, and no screen activity.  :(  Basically in the place I didn't want to be
> with my primary computer.
>
> On Wed, Jan 6, 2021 at 10:27 AM Bruce Labitt  wrote:
>
> Found out how to check the whole usb disk.  $ sudo sha256sum -b /dev/sdx
> Sudo was required.  Hope to be back and running soon...  Sorry for all the
> noise.
>
> On Wed, Jan 6, 2021 at 10:03 AM Bruce Labitt  wrote:
>
> System76 thinks it's the ssd.  Machine strangely got locked up while
> trying to start the arduino IDE, forcing me to power off the laptop.  Took
> 28 minutes to boot!  And 12 seconds after handing off to the OS.
> So it's time to do this.  I just backed up /home, /opt and /etc.  Anything
> else I should do before replacing the disk?  Just checked the sha256sum on
> the iso.  How do I check if the USB stick I burned is ok?
>
>
> On Sat, Jan 2, 2021 at 10:14 PM Bruce Labitt 
> wrote:
>
> Think it's a driver issue.  Looked in journalctl and there's some errors
> indicated.  One is a video issue, another is some sort of permissions
> issue for user who isn't me.  The permissions issue is with
> tracker-miner, which I find to be highly annoying.  Not quite sure how
> to disable it cleanly with low system impact.
>
> Last fsck was 3 months ago.  Next one is due in 3 months.  So it wasn't
> an overdue fsck...  So I'm not so sure it's disk related at all.
>
> Have contacted system76 and sent them logs.  If I recall correctly, the
> issue seems to be closely related to a driver change (issued by
> system76).  Of course, they are still on break...
>
> Nonetheless, waiting 8-10 minutes for boot is awful.  I don't even think
> my first IBM PC was that slow, even with a boot from floppy disk.
>
>
> On 1/2/21 9:15 PM, r...@mrt4.com wrote:
> > Examine the time stamps on the syslog and compare them to previous
> nominal boots. That should indicate where the issue is. If all log entries
> indicate long delays, then it is something systemic like memory, storage,
> CPU, a thermal issue, etc. (Note: A systemic issue is not necessarily a
> hardware fault because a HW device can be incorrectly configured when it is
> initialized.)
> >
> > If it was a one-time occurrence then it was most likely an overdue fsck,
> but syslog will indicate that if that's the case.
> >
> > Ronald Smith
> >
> > --
> >
> > On Wed, 30 Dec 2020 14:04:43 -0500
> > Bruce Labitt  wrote:
> >
> >> I think I have a SSD on the way out.  Last reboot took a REALLY long
> >> time.  Like 30 minutes.  I ran the smart data and self test and the SSD
> >> passes.  Overall assessment is disk is ok.  I really don't know how to
> >> interpret what the results are.
> >>
> >> I think the disk is in pre-fail based on the smartctl output below
> >>
> >> /snip
> >>
> >> === START OF INFORMATION SECTION ===
> >> Model Family: Crucial/Micron RealSSD m4/C400/P400
> >> Device Model: M4-CT256M4SSD2
> >> Serial Number:1247091DC2FF
> >> LU WWN Device Id: 5 00a075 1091dc2ff
> >> Firmware Version: 040H
> >> User Capacity:256,060,514,304 bytes [256 GB]
> >> Sector Size:  512 bytes logical/physical
> >> Rotation Rate:Solid State Device
> >> Form Factor:  2.5 inches
> >> Device is:In smartctl database [for details use: -P show]
> >> ATA Version is:   ACS-2, ATA8-ACS T13/1699-D revision 6
> >> SATA Version is:  SATA 3.0, 6.0 Gb/s (current: 6.0 Gb/s)
> >> Local Time is:Wed Dec 30 13:49:17 2020 EST
> >> SMART support is: Available - device has SMART capability.
> >> SMART support is: Enabled
> >>
> >> === START OF READ SMART DATA SECTION ===
> >> SMART overall-health self-assessment test result: PASSED
> >>
> >> /snip
> >>
> >> ID# ATTRIBUTE_NAME  FLAG VALUE WORST

Re: SMART data & Self tests, not sure if my SSD is on it's last gasp

[mkomarinski]

Yank the SSD and USB and see if it boots.  That will at least isolate if either of those are involved. On Jan 6, 2021 12:10 PM, Bruce Labitt  wrote:Sorry to bother you, that is, if I haven 't been put on a giant ignore list.  Replaced disk with new bigger SSD.  Unfortunately, the laptop is not booting to the USB stick.  I haven't even gotten to any video console yet, grub, bios, nada.  I get occasional flashes of the disk activity light and nothing else.  Posting from an RPI4 now.  Tried various combinations of F2, F7, and no screen activity.  :(  Basically in the place I didn't want to be with my primary computer.On Wed, Jan 6, 2021 at 10:27 AM Bruce Labitt  wrote:Found out how to check the whole usb disk.  $ sudo sha256sum -b /dev/sdx  Sudo was required.  Hope to be back and running soon...  Sorry for all the noise.On Wed, Jan 6, 2021 at 10:03 AM Bruce Labitt  wrote:System76 thinks it's the ssd.  Machine strangely got locked up while trying to start the arduino IDE, forcing me to power off the laptop.  Took 28 minutes to boot!  And 12 seconds after handing off to the OS.So it's time to do this.  I just backed up /home, /opt and /etc.  Anything else I should do before replacing the disk?  Just checked the sha256sum on the iso.  How do I check if the USB stick I burned is ok?On Sat, Jan 2, 2021 at 10:14 PM Bruce Labitt  wrote:Think it's a driver issue.  Looked in journalctl and there's some errors 
indicated.  One is a video issue, another is some sort of permissions 
issue for user who isn't me.  The permissions issue is with 
tracker-miner, which I find to be highly annoying.  Not quite sure how 
to disable it cleanly with low system impact.

Last fsck was 3 months ago.  Next one is due in 3 months.  So it wasn't 
an overdue fsck...  So I'm not so sure it's disk related at all.

Have contacted system76 and sent them logs.  If I recall correctly, the 
issue seems to be closely related to a driver change (issued by 
system76).  Of course, they are still on break...

Nonetheless, waiting 8-10 minutes for boot is awful.  I don't even think 
my first IBM PC was that slow, even with a boot from floppy disk.


On 1/2/21 9:15 PM, r270@mrt4.com wrote:
> Examine the time stamps on the syslog and compare them to previous nominal boots. That should indicate where the issue is. If all log entries indicate long delays, then it is something systemic like memory, storage, CPU, a thermal issue, etc. (Note: A systemic issue is not necessarily a hardware fault because a HW device can be incorrectly configured when it is initialized.)
>
> If it was a one-time occurrence then it was most likely an overdue fsck, but syslog will indicate that if that's the case.
>
> Ronald Smith
>
> --
>
> On Wed, 30 Dec 2020 14:04:43 -0500
> Bruce Labitt  wrote:
>
>> I think I have a SSD on the way out.  Last reboot took a REALLY long
>> time.  Like 30 minutes.  I ran the smart data and self test and the SSD
>> passes.  Overall assessment is disk is ok.  I really don't know how to
>> interpret what the results are.
>>
>> I think the disk is in pre-fail based on the smartctl output below
>>
>> /snip
>>
>> === START OF INFORMATION SECTION ===
>> Model Family: Crucial/Micron RealSSD m4/C400/P400
>> Device Model: M4-CT256M4SSD2
>> Serial Number:    1247091DC2FF
>> LU WWN Device Id: 5 00a075 1091dc2ff
>> Firmware Version: 040H
>> User Capacity:    256,060,514,304 bytes [256 GB]
>> Sector Size:  512 bytes logical/physical
>> Rotation Rate:    Solid State Device
>> Form Factor:  2.5 inches
>> Device is:    In smartctl database [for details use: -P show]
>> ATA Version is:   ACS-2, ATA8-ACS T13/1699-D revision 6
>> SATA Version is:  SATA 3.0, 6.0 Gb/s (current: 6.0 Gb/s)
>> Local Time is:    Wed Dec 30 13:49:17 2020 EST
>> SMART support is: Available - device has SMART capability.
>> SMART support is: Enabled
>>
>> === START OF READ SMART DATA SECTION ===
>> SMART overall-health self-assessment test result: PASSED
>>
>> /snip
>>
>> ID# ATTRIBUTE_NAME  FLAG VALUE WORST THRESH TYPE
>> UPDATED  WHEN_FAILED RAW_VALUE
>>     1 Raw_Read_Error_Rate 0x002f   100   100   050 Pre-fail
>> Always   -   0
>>     5 Reallocated_Sector_Ct   0x0033   100   100   010 Pre-fail
>> Always   -   0
>>     9 Power_On_Hours  0x0032   100   100   001 Old_age
>> Always   -   7294
>>    12 Power_Cycle_Count   0x0032   100   100   001 Old_age
>> Always   -   2511
>> 170 Grown_Failing_Block_Ct  0x0033   100   100   010 Pre-fail
>> Always   -   0
>> 171 Program_Fail_Count  0x0032   100   100   001 Old_age
>> Always   -   0
>> 172 Erase_Fail_Count    0x0032   100   100   001 Old_age
>> Always   -   0
>> 173 Wear_Leveling_Count 0x0033   098   098   010 Pre-fail
>>

Re: SMART data & Self tests, not sure if my SSD is on it's last gasp

[Bruce Labitt]

Sorry to bother you, that is, if I haven 't been put on a giant ignore
list.  Replaced disk with new bigger SSD.  Unfortunately, the laptop is not
booting to the USB stick.  I haven't even gotten to any video console yet,
grub, bios, nada.  I get occasional flashes of the disk activity light and
nothing else.  Posting from an RPI4 now.  Tried various combinations of F2,
F7, and no screen activity.  :(  Basically in the place I didn't want to be
with my primary computer.

On Wed, Jan 6, 2021 at 10:27 AM Bruce Labitt  wrote:

> Found out how to check the whole usb disk.  $ sudo sha256sum -b /dev/sdx
> Sudo was required.  Hope to be back and running soon...  Sorry for all the
> noise.
>
> On Wed, Jan 6, 2021 at 10:03 AM Bruce Labitt  wrote:
>
>> System76 thinks it's the ssd.  Machine strangely got locked up while
>> trying to start the arduino IDE, forcing me to power off the laptop.  Took
>> 28 minutes to boot!  And 12 seconds after handing off to the OS.
>> So it's time to do this.  I just backed up /home, /opt and /etc.
>> Anything else I should do before replacing the disk?  Just checked the
>> sha256sum on the iso.  How do I check if the USB stick I burned is ok?
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Jan 2, 2021 at 10:14 PM Bruce Labitt <
>> bruce.lab...@myfairpoint.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Think it's a driver issue.  Looked in journalctl and there's some errors
>>> indicated.  One is a video issue, another is some sort of permissions
>>> issue for user who isn't me.  The permissions issue is with
>>> tracker-miner, which I find to be highly annoying.  Not quite sure how
>>> to disable it cleanly with low system impact.
>>>
>>> Last fsck was 3 months ago.  Next one is due in 3 months.  So it wasn't
>>> an overdue fsck...  So I'm not so sure it's disk related at all.
>>>
>>> Have contacted system76 and sent them logs.  If I recall correctly, the
>>> issue seems to be closely related to a driver change (issued by
>>> system76).  Of course, they are still on break...
>>>
>>> Nonetheless, waiting 8-10 minutes for boot is awful.  I don't even think
>>> my first IBM PC was that slow, even with a boot from floppy disk.
>>>
>>>
>>> On 1/2/21 9:15 PM, r...@mrt4.com wrote:
>>> > Examine the time stamps on the syslog and compare them to previous
>>> nominal boots. That should indicate where the issue is. If all log entries
>>> indicate long delays, then it is something systemic like memory, storage,
>>> CPU, a thermal issue, etc. (Note: A systemic issue is not necessarily a
>>> hardware fault because a HW device can be incorrectly configured when it is
>>> initialized.)
>>> >
>>> > If it was a one-time occurrence then it was most likely an overdue
>>> fsck, but syslog will indicate that if that's the case.
>>> >
>>> > Ronald Smith
>>> >
>>> > --
>>> >
>>> > On Wed, 30 Dec 2020 14:04:43 -0500
>>> > Bruce Labitt  wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> I think I have a SSD on the way out.  Last reboot took a REALLY long
>>> >> time.  Like 30 minutes.  I ran the smart data and self test and the
>>> SSD
>>> >> passes.  Overall assessment is disk is ok.  I really don't know how to
>>> >> interpret what the results are.
>>> >>
>>> >> I think the disk is in pre-fail based on the smartctl output below
>>> >>
>>> >> /snip
>>> >>
>>> >> === START OF INFORMATION SECTION ===
>>> >> Model Family: Crucial/Micron RealSSD m4/C400/P400
>>> >> Device Model: M4-CT256M4SSD2
>>> >> Serial Number:1247091DC2FF
>>> >> LU WWN Device Id: 5 00a075 1091dc2ff
>>> >> Firmware Version: 040H
>>> >> User Capacity:256,060,514,304 bytes [256 GB]
>>> >> Sector Size:  512 bytes logical/physical
>>> >> Rotation Rate:Solid State Device
>>> >> Form Factor:  2.5 inches
>>> >> Device is:In smartctl database [for details use: -P show]
>>> >> ATA Version is:   ACS-2, ATA8-ACS T13/1699-D revision 6
>>> >> SATA Version is:  SATA 3.0, 6.0 Gb/s (current: 6.0 Gb/s)
>>> >> Local Time is:Wed Dec 30 13:49:17 2020 EST
>>> >> SMART support is: Available - device has SMART capability.
>>> >> SMART support is: Enabled
>>> >>
>>> >> === START OF READ SMART DATA SECTION ===
>>> >> SMART overall-health self-assessment test result: PASSED
>>> >>
>>> >> /snip
>>> >>
>>> >> ID# ATTRIBUTE_NAME  FLAG VALUE WORST THRESH TYPE
>>> >> UPDATED  WHEN_FAILED RAW_VALUE
>>> >> 1 Raw_Read_Error_Rate 0x002f   100   100   050 Pre-fail
>>> >> Always   -   0
>>> >> 5 Reallocated_Sector_Ct   0x0033   100   100   010 Pre-fail
>>> >> Always   -   0
>>> >> 9 Power_On_Hours  0x0032   100   100   001 Old_age
>>> >> Always   -   7294
>>> >>12 Power_Cycle_Count   0x0032   100   100   001 Old_age
>>> >> Always   -   2511
>>> >> 170 Grown_Failing_Block_Ct  0x0033   100   100   010 Pre-fail
>>> >> Always   -   0
>>> >> 171 Program_Fail_Count  0x0032   100   100   001 Old_age
>>> >> Always   -   0
>>> >> 172 Erase_Fail_Count0x0032   100   100   001 Old_age
>>> >> Always   

Re: SMART data & Self tests, not sure if my SSD is on it's last gasp

[Bruce Labitt]

Found out how to check the whole usb disk.  $ sudo sha256sum -b /dev/sdx
Sudo was required.  Hope to be back and running soon...  Sorry for all the
noise.

On Wed, Jan 6, 2021 at 10:03 AM Bruce Labitt  wrote:

> System76 thinks it's the ssd.  Machine strangely got locked up while
> trying to start the arduino IDE, forcing me to power off the laptop.  Took
> 28 minutes to boot!  And 12 seconds after handing off to the OS.
> So it's time to do this.  I just backed up /home, /opt and /etc.  Anything
> else I should do before replacing the disk?  Just checked the sha256sum on
> the iso.  How do I check if the USB stick I burned is ok?
>
>
> On Sat, Jan 2, 2021 at 10:14 PM Bruce Labitt 
> wrote:
>
>> Think it's a driver issue.  Looked in journalctl and there's some errors
>> indicated.  One is a video issue, another is some sort of permissions
>> issue for user who isn't me.  The permissions issue is with
>> tracker-miner, which I find to be highly annoying.  Not quite sure how
>> to disable it cleanly with low system impact.
>>
>> Last fsck was 3 months ago.  Next one is due in 3 months.  So it wasn't
>> an overdue fsck...  So I'm not so sure it's disk related at all.
>>
>> Have contacted system76 and sent them logs.  If I recall correctly, the
>> issue seems to be closely related to a driver change (issued by
>> system76).  Of course, they are still on break...
>>
>> Nonetheless, waiting 8-10 minutes for boot is awful.  I don't even think
>> my first IBM PC was that slow, even with a boot from floppy disk.
>>
>>
>> On 1/2/21 9:15 PM, r...@mrt4.com wrote:
>> > Examine the time stamps on the syslog and compare them to previous
>> nominal boots. That should indicate where the issue is. If all log entries
>> indicate long delays, then it is something systemic like memory, storage,
>> CPU, a thermal issue, etc. (Note: A systemic issue is not necessarily a
>> hardware fault because a HW device can be incorrectly configured when it is
>> initialized.)
>> >
>> > If it was a one-time occurrence then it was most likely an overdue
>> fsck, but syslog will indicate that if that's the case.
>> >
>> > Ronald Smith
>> >
>> > --
>> >
>> > On Wed, 30 Dec 2020 14:04:43 -0500
>> > Bruce Labitt  wrote:
>> >
>> >> I think I have a SSD on the way out.  Last reboot took a REALLY long
>> >> time.  Like 30 minutes.  I ran the smart data and self test and the SSD
>> >> passes.  Overall assessment is disk is ok.  I really don't know how to
>> >> interpret what the results are.
>> >>
>> >> I think the disk is in pre-fail based on the smartctl output below
>> >>
>> >> /snip
>> >>
>> >> === START OF INFORMATION SECTION ===
>> >> Model Family: Crucial/Micron RealSSD m4/C400/P400
>> >> Device Model: M4-CT256M4SSD2
>> >> Serial Number:1247091DC2FF
>> >> LU WWN Device Id: 5 00a075 1091dc2ff
>> >> Firmware Version: 040H
>> >> User Capacity:256,060,514,304 bytes [256 GB]
>> >> Sector Size:  512 bytes logical/physical
>> >> Rotation Rate:Solid State Device
>> >> Form Factor:  2.5 inches
>> >> Device is:In smartctl database [for details use: -P show]
>> >> ATA Version is:   ACS-2, ATA8-ACS T13/1699-D revision 6
>> >> SATA Version is:  SATA 3.0, 6.0 Gb/s (current: 6.0 Gb/s)
>> >> Local Time is:Wed Dec 30 13:49:17 2020 EST
>> >> SMART support is: Available - device has SMART capability.
>> >> SMART support is: Enabled
>> >>
>> >> === START OF READ SMART DATA SECTION ===
>> >> SMART overall-health self-assessment test result: PASSED
>> >>
>> >> /snip
>> >>
>> >> ID# ATTRIBUTE_NAME  FLAG VALUE WORST THRESH TYPE
>> >> UPDATED  WHEN_FAILED RAW_VALUE
>> >> 1 Raw_Read_Error_Rate 0x002f   100   100   050 Pre-fail
>> >> Always   -   0
>> >> 5 Reallocated_Sector_Ct   0x0033   100   100   010 Pre-fail
>> >> Always   -   0
>> >> 9 Power_On_Hours  0x0032   100   100   001 Old_age
>> >> Always   -   7294
>> >>12 Power_Cycle_Count   0x0032   100   100   001 Old_age
>> >> Always   -   2511
>> >> 170 Grown_Failing_Block_Ct  0x0033   100   100   010 Pre-fail
>> >> Always   -   0
>> >> 171 Program_Fail_Count  0x0032   100   100   001 Old_age
>> >> Always   -   0
>> >> 172 Erase_Fail_Count0x0032   100   100   001 Old_age
>> >> Always   -   0
>> >> 173 Wear_Leveling_Count 0x0033   098   098   010 Pre-fail
>> >> Always   -   66
>> >> 174 Unexpect_Power_Loss_Ct  0x0032   100   100   001 Old_age
>> >> Always   -   87
>> >> 181 Non4k_Aligned_Access0x0022   100   100   001 Old_age
>> >> Always   -   10250 5047 5203
>> >> 183 SATA_Iface_Downshift0x0032   100   100   001 Old_age
>> >> Always   -   0
>> >> 184 End-to-End_Error0x0033   100   100   050 Pre-fail
>> >> Always   -   0
>> >> 187 Reported_Uncorrect  0x0032   100   100   001 Old_age
>> >> Always   -   0
>> >> 188 Command_Timeout 0x0032   100   100   001 Old_

Re: SMART data & Self tests, not sure if my SSD is on it's last gasp

[Bruce Labitt]

System76 thinks it's the ssd.  Machine strangely got locked up while trying
to start the arduino IDE, forcing me to power off the laptop.  Took 28
minutes to boot!  And 12 seconds after handing off to the OS.
So it's time to do this.  I just backed up /home, /opt and /etc.  Anything
else I should do before replacing the disk?  Just checked the sha256sum on
the iso.  How do I check if the USB stick I burned is ok?


On Sat, Jan 2, 2021 at 10:14 PM Bruce Labitt 
wrote:

> Think it's a driver issue.  Looked in journalctl and there's some errors
> indicated.  One is a video issue, another is some sort of permissions
> issue for user who isn't me.  The permissions issue is with
> tracker-miner, which I find to be highly annoying.  Not quite sure how
> to disable it cleanly with low system impact.
>
> Last fsck was 3 months ago.  Next one is due in 3 months.  So it wasn't
> an overdue fsck...  So I'm not so sure it's disk related at all.
>
> Have contacted system76 and sent them logs.  If I recall correctly, the
> issue seems to be closely related to a driver change (issued by
> system76).  Of course, they are still on break...
>
> Nonetheless, waiting 8-10 minutes for boot is awful.  I don't even think
> my first IBM PC was that slow, even with a boot from floppy disk.
>
>
> On 1/2/21 9:15 PM, r...@mrt4.com wrote:
> > Examine the time stamps on the syslog and compare them to previous
> nominal boots. That should indicate where the issue is. If all log entries
> indicate long delays, then it is something systemic like memory, storage,
> CPU, a thermal issue, etc. (Note: A systemic issue is not necessarily a
> hardware fault because a HW device can be incorrectly configured when it is
> initialized.)
> >
> > If it was a one-time occurrence then it was most likely an overdue fsck,
> but syslog will indicate that if that's the case.
> >
> > Ronald Smith
> >
> > --
> >
> > On Wed, 30 Dec 2020 14:04:43 -0500
> > Bruce Labitt  wrote:
> >
> >> I think I have a SSD on the way out.  Last reboot took a REALLY long
> >> time.  Like 30 minutes.  I ran the smart data and self test and the SSD
> >> passes.  Overall assessment is disk is ok.  I really don't know how to
> >> interpret what the results are.
> >>
> >> I think the disk is in pre-fail based on the smartctl output below
> >>
> >> /snip
> >>
> >> === START OF INFORMATION SECTION ===
> >> Model Family: Crucial/Micron RealSSD m4/C400/P400
> >> Device Model: M4-CT256M4SSD2
> >> Serial Number:1247091DC2FF
> >> LU WWN Device Id: 5 00a075 1091dc2ff
> >> Firmware Version: 040H
> >> User Capacity:256,060,514,304 bytes [256 GB]
> >> Sector Size:  512 bytes logical/physical
> >> Rotation Rate:Solid State Device
> >> Form Factor:  2.5 inches
> >> Device is:In smartctl database [for details use: -P show]
> >> ATA Version is:   ACS-2, ATA8-ACS T13/1699-D revision 6
> >> SATA Version is:  SATA 3.0, 6.0 Gb/s (current: 6.0 Gb/s)
> >> Local Time is:Wed Dec 30 13:49:17 2020 EST
> >> SMART support is: Available - device has SMART capability.
> >> SMART support is: Enabled
> >>
> >> === START OF READ SMART DATA SECTION ===
> >> SMART overall-health self-assessment test result: PASSED
> >>
> >> /snip
> >>
> >> ID# ATTRIBUTE_NAME  FLAG VALUE WORST THRESH TYPE
> >> UPDATED  WHEN_FAILED RAW_VALUE
> >> 1 Raw_Read_Error_Rate 0x002f   100   100   050 Pre-fail
> >> Always   -   0
> >> 5 Reallocated_Sector_Ct   0x0033   100   100   010 Pre-fail
> >> Always   -   0
> >> 9 Power_On_Hours  0x0032   100   100   001 Old_age
> >> Always   -   7294
> >>12 Power_Cycle_Count   0x0032   100   100   001 Old_age
> >> Always   -   2511
> >> 170 Grown_Failing_Block_Ct  0x0033   100   100   010 Pre-fail
> >> Always   -   0
> >> 171 Program_Fail_Count  0x0032   100   100   001 Old_age
> >> Always   -   0
> >> 172 Erase_Fail_Count0x0032   100   100   001 Old_age
> >> Always   -   0
> >> 173 Wear_Leveling_Count 0x0033   098   098   010 Pre-fail
> >> Always   -   66
> >> 174 Unexpect_Power_Loss_Ct  0x0032   100   100   001 Old_age
> >> Always   -   87
> >> 181 Non4k_Aligned_Access0x0022   100   100   001 Old_age
> >> Always   -   10250 5047 5203
> >> 183 SATA_Iface_Downshift0x0032   100   100   001 Old_age
> >> Always   -   0
> >> 184 End-to-End_Error0x0033   100   100   050 Pre-fail
> >> Always   -   0
> >> 187 Reported_Uncorrect  0x0032   100   100   001 Old_age
> >> Always   -   0
> >> 188 Command_Timeout 0x0032   100   100   001 Old_age
> >> Always   -   0
> >> 189 Factory_Bad_Block_Ct0x000e   100   100   001 Old_age
> >> Always   -   81
> >> 194 Temperature_Celsius 0x0022   100   100   000 Old_age
> >> Always   -   0
> >> 195 Hardware_ECC_Recovered  0x003a   100   100   001 Old_age
> >> Always   -   0
> >> 196