Re: Red Hat's Bluecurve (was: Red Hat 8.0 is 'official')
Hmm, now that I think about it, it's been a while since we had a decent flame war around here, so, since I remembered my asbestos underwear today, let me lob the first volley ;) Debian rules, RH Sucks vi is for wimps Linux Hm, can't really find much to disagree with. Except the asbestos underwear. That must be itchy. Erik __ Do you Yahoo!? Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos More http://faith.yahoo.com ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
Fwd: Upcoming event - Richard Stallman Speaking in Burlington
Begin forwarded message: From: Lisa M. Opus Goldstein [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon Oct 7, 2002 10:18:04 AM US/Eastern To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Upcoming event - Richard Stallman Speaking in Burlington Dear People, Richard Stallman, author of the GPL and founder of the GNU Project and the Free Software Foundation, will be speaking in Burlington, Mass on Wednesday October 16, 2002. It is a book-release party for Free Software, Free Society: Selected Essays of Richard M. Stallman. The web page for the book is http://www.gnu.org/doc/book13.html. Event: Informal Q A with Richard Stallman Date: Wednesday October 16, 2002 Time: 6:30 PM to about 8:00 PM Location: Softpro Books Vinebrook Plaza 112 Burlington Mall Road Burlington, MA 01803-5300 Tel: 781-273-2917 Web: http://www.softpro.com/ Description of Free Software, Free Society: The intersection of ethics, law, business and computer software is the subject of this collection of essays and speeches by MacArthur Foundation Grant winner, Richard M. Stallman. It includes historical writings such as The GNU Manifesto, which defined and launched the activist Free Software Movement, along with new writings on current topics such as trusted computing and the proposed CBDTPA. Stallman takes a critical look at common abuses of copyright law and patents when applied to computer software programs, and how these abuses damage our entire society and remove our existing freedoms. He also discusses the social aspects of software and how free software can create community and social justice. Over the past twenty years Stallman's arguments and actions have changed the course of software history. Over the years he has received many types of awards; most recently he was elected to the American National Academy of Engineering. Best Regards, Lisa M. Goldstein [EMAIL PROTECTED] Managing Editor, GNU Press Business Manager, Tel 617-542-5942 Free Software FoundationFax 617-542-2652 -- Erik Price (zombies roam) email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
NIC driver
I have used Linux for quite some time, but have very little experience with installing it. Having recently started a new job, I have been given a Windows box and told that it's okay if I want to put Linux on it. And I do. So I downloaded jigdo, used that to download and build the Debian Disc1 disc image, and built a startup CD. Only for some reason, booting from CD prevented the Debian Installer from recognizing my hard drives. Creating a rescue and root floppy with rawrite2.exe solved this problem, and I went about my installation. Everything has gone just fine except for a few things, so I have some questions. (1) First and foremost, I'd like to be able to use the internet from this machine, but the Debian Installer failed to recognize the installed ethernet card. It's a 3C918 card. From some googling around, it appears that this is just a standard 3Com 3C905B card that is packaged into some Dell computers (the machine is a Dell). But I'm not sure how to go about installing the driver for this card, or getting the system to recognize it -- does it require me to recompile the kernel? I inspected /etc/network/interfaces but it doesn't have much to offer. (2) Second and nextmost, I'd like to run X11 on the machine. Unfortunately, I can't get it to work, though I've tried a few different video settings. I found some of these settings by booting into Windows and checking the Device Manager in the Control Panel and I have used the xf86config program to try different parameters, but X11 still fails to run correctly. Most unfortunate is that since I can't get the system online, I can't email the errors that are shown to me when I do try to run startx . (Actually I'm not certain I'd be able to redirect them to a file as they are not STDOUT from a utility, but rather displayed from within some kind of full-screen, colored program with a scroll bar that is controlled with arrow keys... anyone have any idea what I'm talking about?) Any advice at all is much appreciated. Erik -- Erik Price (zombies roam) email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
installing Linux by floppy to get driver
I have a friend at work who has an older i486 and wants to install Linux onto it, perhaps to run Apache or something. The problem is that he doesn't have the CD ROM driver for it. I know that the IDE driver is built into the Linux kernel (or I think it is), but his is a SCSI model -- it's a Digital Celebris model, or something like that. Since he can't use the CD ROM drive, he can't install Linux by CD. We found a floppy-based distro called DLX (http://www.wu-wien.ac.at/usr/h93/h9301726/dlx.html), which I was thinking could get Linux up and running, but how to get him the SCSI CD-ROM driver? Once the CD drive works, we can just install a regular distribution or something. Any suggestions? Thanks, Erik -- Erik Price (zombies roam) email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
Re: sorta OT: company names
Thanks to everyone who provided input on getting registered. If it's not too expensive, becoming a LLC sounds like the best move. I'm not doing any professional software development right now, but I don't want to rule it out. The app I'm developing is a simple scheduling system and, as I said, when I have a beta I'll post the source on Freshmeat. It's to be written in Java. Erik -- Erik Price (zombies roam) email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
Re: MELBA wed
On Wednesday, August 28, 2002, at 12:53 AM, Erik Price wrote: On Tue, 2002-08-27 at 14:06, Jon Hall wrote: I could give my talk about the new things in the V2.5 kernel and what they mean to systems admins and programmers, if anyone would be interested. I should warn you that to do it in an hour I have to talk very fast and leave it at the 10,000 foot level. I would need an LCD projector. Well, can someone come up with a projector? Can we get a show of hands as to who would come if we were to have such a meeting? (raises hand) So... it's upstairs of Martha's Exchange? Can you get dinner up there, or should you eat at home? and... libations -after- the presentation (not during)? Erik And to think I was going to ask what you meant exactly when you called me Gunga Din... I wish that I had, this would have been clarified earlier. (Though twenty minutes spent online reading the poem and the synopsis of the movie weren't wasted, since now I know what a Gunga Din is.) I carry neither projector nor water. :( Erik -- Erik Price email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
Re: dict -- cool little snippet I saw on a GNOME list.
On Wednesday, August 28, 2002, at 05:36 PM, Ken Ambrose wrote: Too darn lazy to fire up the browser? Then enjoy the below script, for all you command-line guys (and gal(s))... Nice script. If you like writing shell scripts to do little jobs like this (and there's plenty of ways to leverage this kind of power), you might be interested in Perl's LWP module. [As opposed to c/sh,] Perl lets you easily parse the result, too, if you know what to look for. (There's a module called HTML::TokeParser if I'm not mistaken that makes it easy to parse HTML, better than regexes, but I haven't used it yet.) There is a great intro on oreillynet.com (it is really a plug for the new LWP book, but the intro is pretty informative): http://www.perl.com/pub/a/2002/08/20/perlandlwp.html?page=1 Erik Erik -- Erik Price email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
Re: MELBA wed
On Tuesday, August 27, 2002, at 02:06 PM, Jon Hall wrote: I could give my talk about the new things in the V2.5 kernel and what they mean to systems admins and programmers, if anyone would be interested. I should warn you that to do it in an hour I have to talk very fast and leave it at the 10,000 foot level. (High-level is fine for me.) I haven't attended a MELBA meeting yet; is that the case, that they are limited to one hour? I only ask b/c I may be meeting my old lady after the meeting and that gives me a definite time to give her... Erik ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
Re: MELBA wed
On Tuesday, August 27, 2002, at 03:38 PM, Rob Lembree wrote: On Tue, 2002-08-27 at 14:06, Jon Hall wrote: I could give my talk about the new things in the V2.5 kernel and what they mean to systems admins and programmers, if anyone would be interested. I should warn you that to do it in an hour I have to talk very fast and leave it at the 10,000 foot level. I would need an LCD projector. Well, can someone come up with a projector? Can we get a show of hands as to who would come if we were to have such a meeting? (raises hand) So... it's upstairs of Martha's Exchange? Can you get dinner up there, or should you eat at home? and... libations -after- the presentation (not during)? Erik -- Erik Price email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
Re: Three-minute timeout during surfing?
On Monday, August 26, 2002, at 03:09 AM, Ken Ambrose wrote: Howdy, all. I just upgraded my boxen to RH 7.3, and suddenly my webmail (SquirrelMail) is taking three minutes just to bring up the login page. I double-checked my httpd.conf file, and HostnameLookups is set to off, so I don't -think- it's a reverse-DNS issue. I'm stumped. Below is a snippet from an ethereal dump. Any ideas? Have you had a chance to test it against a non-7.3 machine to make sure that it's not a problem on their end? If you're sure that it has something to do with your upgrade, do you have a set of HTTP headers from before you upgraded, for comparison? Erik -- Erik Price email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
MELBA wed
Is there in fact a MELBA meeting on Wednesday night? I understand that there was something last week but then there was some talk of another meeting this week? Thanks, Erik -- Erik Price email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
Re: sorting pathnames by basename
On Wednesday, August 21, 2002, at 07:52 PM, mike ledoux wrote: So, if I'm in a rush (usually), and I need to figure out what someone else's unreadable Perl does, where should I be looking? I'm too lazy to lift my hands off my keyboard or mouse, to the shelf right in front of my face where Programming Perl rests, and look up the variables. I usually just head over to http://perldoc.com/ and read the man pages there. For some reason it's just more legible when presented as a web page than as a man page in a terminal window. (Must be the whitespace.) I've bookmarked http://perldoc.com/perl5.6.1/pod/perl.html for easy access. Erik -- Erik Price email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
Re: sorting pathnames by basename
On Tuesday, August 20, 2002, at 12:39 AM, Erik Price wrote:
#!/usr/bin/python
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# basenamesort.py
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# Unix-style filter that sorts a newline-separated
# list of files by the file basename
#
# Example usage: cat files.txt | basenamesort.py
import sys
import os
tempDict = {}
for line in sys.stdin.xreadlines():
tempDict[os.path.basename(line)] = line.rstrip()
sorted = tempDict.keys()
sorted.sort()
for key in sorted:
print tempDict[key]
Whoops. It figures that I would forget the part that actually does the
sorting. I added it above (the sorted.sort() line).
Erik
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Re: sorting pathnames by basename
(or aggregating the String object into a custom-made, more powerful object and calling its methods), just like you would with any other task in Python. In conclusion, I don't want to oversimplify things, but I'm going to anyway: I like Perl best for scripts that are a few hundred lines or less. I like Python for larger, more modular and extensible programs and software. If someone had asked me to come up with a script to sort some files by their basename, I would reach for Perl in a heartbeat (and still wouldn't have had a script as elegant as Kevin's). But at the point where I say to myself, I really think that I could write this better and more easily if I used an object-oriented methodology and designed some class definitions to help me, I would turn to Python and not look back. Erik -- Erik Price email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
Re: Programming [was Re: sorting pathnames by basename ]
On Tuesday, August 20, 2002, at 12:00 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But at the point where I say to myself, I really think that I could write this better and more easily if I used an object-oriented methodology and designed some class definitions to help me, I would turn to Python and not look back. Not knowing much about OO technique and/or methodology other than what I've learned from Perl's bastardized attempt to rivet OO onto the backside of a language never meant for OO programming, I have to ask, is there a good, general, non-language specific text about OO design and/or methodology around? I'd like to understand the concepts and terminology used in OO programming before delving into something like Java or Python so that I can take better advantage of the OO features of these languages, but everything I've seen seems very language specific. There is a book written just for you, and it is excellent: Beginning Java Objects, by Jacquie Barker (Wrox). This book tends to be a bit pedantic (I think it is written for CS 100 students), often taking a few pages to explain some things that are more briefly explained in Bruce Eckels' Thinking in Java (Prentice Hall). But that is its only drawback, and I actually would rather have more information than I need than less. The book is divided into thirds: 1. The fundamentals and concepts of object oriented programming 2. Object modelling -- turning real life situations into abstract object-based representations 3. Case study -- putting the fundamentals and concepts together to write a full program in Java The book advertises that it does not emphasize one language over others for the most part, and this is entirely correct. While it says Java on the cover, that's obviously for marketing reasons, because you can get through the first two thirds of this book using Python, Java, or even PHP. I think you can use Perl too, though OO in Perl is something that I am still very very new to. (The last third of the book is applying the code in Java, so yes it does focus on Java.) The point is that it teaches the basics of OO programming and design, and not how to write in Java. This book should really be called Beginning Object Oriented Programming and Design for any language, with examples in Java. And I bet that if Python had *half* the mindshare that Java has, Barker would have written the book to use Python instead. Erik PS: I am still reading Bruce Eckel's book Thinking in Java and teaching myself Java, and already I am very glad that I read the first 2/3 of Jacquie Barker's book first. Eckel's book is good, but races through the fundamentals. Barker's book shines when it comes to fundamentals. -- Erik Price email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
Re: sorting pathnames by basename
On Tuesday, August 20, 2002, at 08:07 AM, Kevin D. Clark wrote: In fact, my one-liner is probably the cannonical way that an experienced Perl programmer would have solved that problem (or, at least, pretty close). For that matter, I find that the word cannonical is bandied about in Perl culture far more than anywhere else! ;) Interesting for a language in which there's more than one way to do things. (Programming Perl defines that word in its glossary as Reduced to a standard form to facilitate comparison.) -- Erik Price email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
Re: sorting pathnames by basename
On Tuesday, August 20, 2002, at 08:28 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: All three mean the same thing, but the first is by far the most common in American English. Perl is a lot like English. I couldn't agree more. Here's why: English is supposedly the hardest language in the world to learn. Why? Because there are so many ways to say the same thing! Yes, that is the reason AFAIK. I'm not just talking about synonyms, I'm talking about the way you can structure the grammar of the language to mean the same thing, but in so many ways. I studied Japanese for years when I was in college, almost double-majoring with it but not quite. And I was struck by how systematic that language is. Sure, a lot of people will naturally wonder if it's very hard, since there is a complex writing system based on Chinese that consists of tens of thousands of characters (the Kanji). But as far as learning the core, the very grammar of the language itself, it is amazingly straightforward! Although there is more than one way to do it, this generally has more to do with slang and formality than with the way that the language is structured. Perl is definitely English-like in this regard. Erik -- Erik Price email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
Re: Somewhat OT: Information Wave bans RIAA
On Monday, August 19, 2002, at 01:16 PM, Ben Boulanger wrote: http://www.informationwave.net/news/20020819riaa.php IWT Bans RIAA From Accessing Its Network August 19, 2002 Information Wave Technologies has announced... You left out the coolest part! Information Wave will also deploy peer-to-peer clients on the Gnutella network from its security research and development network (honeynet) which will offer files with popular song titles derived from the Billboard Top 100 maintained by VNU eMedia. No copyright violations will take place, these files will merely have arbitrary sizes similar to the length of a 3 to 4 minute MP3 audio file encoded at 128kbps. Clients which connect to our peer-to-peer clients, and then afterwards attempt to illegally access the network will be immediately blacklisted from Information Wave's network. The data collected will be actively maintained and distributed from our network operations site. Erik -- Erik Price email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
Re: sorting pathnames by basename
On Monday, August 19, 2002, at 05:32 PM, Kevin D. Clark wrote:
Bill Freeman [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Use Python
Please show us the code.
#!/usr/bin/python
#
# basenamesort.py
#
# Unix-style filter that sorts a newline-separated
# list of files by the file basename
#
# Example usage: cat files.txt | basenamesort.py
import sys
import os
tempDict = {}
for line in sys.stdin.xreadlines():
tempDict[os.path.basename(line)] = line.rstrip()
sorted = tempDict.keys()
for key in sorted:
print tempDict[key]
# Ugly even for Python, but it does what Michael originally wanted.
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