Re: Computer show Saturday, in Manchester
On 08/18/2012 08:49 PM, Bayard Coolidge wrote: Tom Buskey t...@buskey.name said: I was at the same UNH with Linus too. Me, too... And still have the autographed CD here in my collection. Me too, me too! Though I didn't think to get my CD autographed. I thought it was fall '95? (Pretty sure I was still living in what was basically a converted broom closet in Devine Hall, but maybe I'm counting wrong.) I think by 97 (definitely by 98) they had ripped out the VT220s from the engineering labs and installed linux PCs. I remember spending most (all?) of the night following Linus' talk and the following day defragging windows, repartitioning, installing, rebuilding a kernel, getting drivers to work, (re-)re-partitioning so everything fit... I was pretty psyched about actually having *unix* in my room -- with gcc and everything! -- without having to connect to an overburdened campus unix server, worry about the connection dropping, etc. -Brian ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: Computer show Saturday, in Manchester
Or trying to get unix in a limited way with minix or DOS and the GNUish collection. In '91, I would have been more then happy with cygwin. When I got SLS linux in 92 with TeX, emacs and Xfree86 2.x it was fantastic! By 95, linux was probably as good as my SunOS sparc 1 in 93. On Aug 21, 2012 11:26 AM, Brian St. Pierre br...@bstpierre.org wrote: On 08/18/2012 08:49 PM, Bayard Coolidge wrote: Tom Buskey t...@buskey.name said: I was at the same UNH with Linus too. Me, too... And still have the autographed CD here in my collection. Me too, me too! Though I didn't think to get my CD autographed. I thought it was fall '95? (Pretty sure I was still living in what was basically a converted broom closet in Devine Hall, but maybe I'm counting wrong.) I think by 97 (definitely by 98) they had ripped out the VT220s from the engineering labs and installed linux PCs. I remember spending most (all?) of the night following Linus' talk and the following day defragging windows, repartitioning, installing, rebuilding a kernel, getting drivers to work, (re-)re-partitioning so everything fit... I was pretty psyched about actually having *unix* in my room -- with gcc and everything! -- without having to connect to an overburdened campus unix server, worry about the connection dropping, etc. -Brian ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/ ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: Computer show Saturday, in Manchester
On 08/16/2012 11:44 PM, Joshua Judson Rosen wrote: Ben Scottdragonh...@gmail.com writes: On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 10:06 AM, Joshua Judson Rosen roz...@geekspace.com wrote: http://ncshows.com/ I'm amazed they're still around. I remember buying an external 9600 BPS modem for someone from one of the NC Shows. (Or maybe it was KGP. They were both around back then.) I think I got my first Linux distro from one :) Sadly, I saw *zero* Linux showing at the last show I attended (which, I guess, brings me back to the previous topic...) Reminds me of the LinuxWord Expo in Boston damn I miss those, I was like a kid in a candy store :-) Too bad they stopped doing them... -- Thanks, Joseph Smith Set-Top-Linux www.settoplinux.org ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: Computer show Saturday, in Manchester
On Fri, Aug 17, 2012 at 7:41 AM, Ben Scott dragonh...@gmail.com wrote: I got my first Linux distro from Jon maddog Hall and DEC when Linus Torvalds came to speak to UNH. :-D Red Hat Linux 2.1. I was there, and I got one, too, but I can't remember if it was my first distro. What year was that? Anyone remember? -- R. ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: Computer show Saturday, in Manchester
'96 - Reply message - From: Roger H. Goun ro...@bcah.com To: Greater NH Linux User Group gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org Subject: Computer show Saturday, in Manchester Date: Sat, Aug 18, 2012 6:50 am On Fri, Aug 17, 2012 at 7:41 AM, Ben Scott dragonh...@gmail.com wrote: I got my first Linux distro from Jon maddog Hall and DEC when Linus Torvalds came to speak to UNH. :-D Red Hat Linux 2.1. I was there, and I got one, too, but I can't remember if it was my first distro. What year was that? Anyone remember? -- R. ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/ ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: Computer show Saturday, in Manchester
My first attempt at installing Linux was SLS in 1994. I couldn't get it to work, and when I asked around for help, someone told me that SLS was badly broken due to untested updates, and they suggested Slackware as al alternative. My first successful install was Slackware, a week after I first tried SLS. In 1995 I received a pre-prelease copy of Caldera, and I switched to that until the 1996 meeting at UNH with Linus. There, I received a copy of Redhat 2.1, and when I tried it, I discovered that Caldera was really Redhat 2.0 plus a handful of proprietary add-ons. I switched to Redhat at that point, and I've been using Redhat, Fedora, and CentOS ever since. I've tried a number of other distributions over the years, but none were sufficiently compelling to entice me to switch again. On Sat, Aug 18, 2012 at 7:32 AM, Mark Komarinski mkomarin...@wayga.org wrote: '96 - Reply message - From: Roger H. Goun ro...@bcah.com To: Greater NH Linux User Group gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org Subject: Computer show Saturday, in Manchester Date: Sat, Aug 18, 2012 6:50 am On Fri, Aug 17, 2012 at 7:41 AM, Ben Scott dragonh...@gmail.com wrote: I got my first Linux distro from Jon maddog Hall and DEC when Linus Torvalds came to speak to UNH. :-D Red Hat Linux 2.1. I was there, and I got one, too, but I can't remember if it was my first distro. What year was that? Anyone remember? -- R. ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/ ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/ -- John Abreau / Executive Director, Boston Linux Unix Email j...@blu.org / WWW http://www.abreau.net / PGP-Key-ID 0xD5C7B5D9 PGP-Key-Fingerprint 72 FB 39 4F 3C 3B D6 5B E0 C8 5A 6E F1 2C BE 99 ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: Computer show Saturday, in Manchester
On Sat, Aug 18, 2012 at 7:32 AM, Mark Komarinski mkomarin...@wayga.org wrote: '96 Ah, OK, I'd been using Yggdrasil in 1993-94, so it wasn't. But it was when I started a long run of using Red Hat. -- R. ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: Computer show Saturday, in Manchester
On Sat, Aug 18, 2012 at 9:46 AM, Roger H. Goun ro...@bcah.com wrote: Ah, OK, I'd been using Yggdrasil in 1993-94, so it wasn't. But it was when I started a long run of using Red Hat. Ah, Yggdrasil. Plug and Play Linux. It was a live CD distro back before that term was invented. It took bloody ages to boot on a 2X CD-ROM with 8 MB of RAM, but it worked. Much like the dancing bear: It's not that it dances well, it's that it dances at all. I remember playing with it in the lab at UNH I worked in at some point. I ended up using that Red Hat 2.1 disc for the first install on a PC I owned. At the time, nix seemed pretty weird to me, since I had mainly used OSes descended from QDOS (such as MS-DOS, OS/2, and Windows 95). It wasn't until I started reading the man pages for the shell and the kernel and the filesystem that I began to see there was actually a *design* to that OS. I remember at one point remarking, There's a certain insane elegance to all this. I tried Slackware once. I remember the installer got confused and tried to install LILO on the CD-ROM, and then tried to eject the hard disk. I ran classic Red Hat Linux for years. I tried SuSE for a while, but ultimately decided it had basically the design aesthetic as Red Hat, but with less third-party support. Tried Mandrake for a bit. Ditto. Ran Ubuntu for a while, but got tired of their goofy pointless changes with no escape to the way it was before. Ran Fedora for a while, but got tired of their goofy pointless changes with no escape to the way it was before. (Aside: At work, we're mainly a Microsoft shop. I'm tired of their goofy pointless changes with no escape to the way it was before.) Currently, at home, I'm on Debian, because dammit, if I just want to run FVWM and xterm and emacs, there's no problem with that. It'll even let me mix in the occasional GNOME or KDE program without having to jump through hoops to avoid the rest of it. The glacial release pace means I rarely am raced with an upgrade-or-die scenario. At work, for the Linux servers, we run CentOS, because RHEL has the broadest industry support. -- Ben ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: Computer show Saturday, in Manchester
Pretty much the same experience here that Ben has illustrated, since 2000. We run RHEL at work on around 2,500 racked servers and Legal hath decreed that CentOS ist verboten. Und VLC ist verboten on any system. Among other things that are verboten. At home I've got Ubuntu 12.04 on an ancient Toshiba laptop that was an XP machine owned by the state of Vermont, gotta be ten years old now, just to say I could do it. Don't use it for much. My other desktop now also runs RHEL 6.2 and I have given up on all the other distros. My very first distro was RH 6.2 on a desktop twelve years ago. What goes around comes around, I guess. And I have Win7 Ultimate on a desktop pretty much just for our media/home theater setup; when I get enough time that I wanna futz around getting an open source media equivalent, I will probably do so. On Sat, Aug 18, 2012 at 3:51 PM, Ben Scott dragonh...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Aug 18, 2012 at 9:46 AM, Roger H. Goun ro...@bcah.com wrote: Ah, OK, I'd been using Yggdrasil in 1993-94, so it wasn't. But it was when I started a long run of using Red Hat. Ah, Yggdrasil. Plug and Play Linux. It was a live CD distro back before that term was invented. It took bloody ages to boot on a 2X CD-ROM with 8 MB of RAM, but it worked. Much like the dancing bear: It's not that it dances well, it's that it dances at all. I remember playing with it in the lab at UNH I worked in at some point. I ended up using that Red Hat 2.1 disc for the first install on a PC I owned. At the time, nix seemed pretty weird to me, since I had mainly used OSes descended from QDOS (such as MS-DOS, OS/2, and Windows 95). It wasn't until I started reading the man pages for the shell and the kernel and the filesystem that I began to see there was actually a *design* to that OS. I remember at one point remarking, There's a certain insane elegance to all this. I tried Slackware once. I remember the installer got confused and tried to install LILO on the CD-ROM, and then tried to eject the hard disk. I ran classic Red Hat Linux for years. I tried SuSE for a while, but ultimately decided it had basically the design aesthetic as Red Hat, but with less third-party support. Tried Mandrake for a bit. Ditto. Ran Ubuntu for a while, but got tired of their goofy pointless changes with no escape to the way it was before. Ran Fedora for a while, but got tired of their goofy pointless changes with no escape to the way it was before. (Aside: At work, we're mainly a Microsoft shop. I'm tired of their goofy pointless changes with no escape to the way it was before.) Currently, at home, I'm on Debian, because dammit, if I just want to run FVWM and xterm and emacs, there's no problem with that. It'll even let me mix in the occasional GNOME or KDE program without having to jump through hoops to avoid the rest of it. The glacial release pace means I rarely am raced with an upgrade-or-die scenario. At work, for the Linux servers, we run CentOS, because RHEL has the broadest industry support. -- Ben ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/ ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: Computer show Saturday, in Manchester
I was at the same UNH with Linus too. RedHat on DEC Alpha! I had been running Slackware since it came out. It was SLS with bug reports fixed, which I had been running before. I toggled between Red Hat and Mandrake, depending on what hardware was supported. I've done NetBSD and OpenBSD also, even at work for firewalls. It's been mostly Red Hat at work if it's Linux. Most of my work has been/is SunOS/Solaris with token appearances of HP-UX and even more rare Tru64, Irix and Ultrix. I was running Fedora at home until I got tired of the expiration of updates after 12-18 months. I was running OpenSolaris for ZFS too. Now, i'm running Ubuntu on my laptop, a newer Ubuntu with ZFS (ZoL) fileserver and Debian 6 on another server. At work, Redhat 5.x and 6.x on the servers where I can buy support and Scientific Linux on my desktop. We also have an Ubuntu system here there that some engineer speced out so it's good to have experience from RPM and debian based stuff. We get coops at work and they tend to be familiar with Linux. After I set them up with Solaris for a week they have a question about why xxx doesn't work the way it should (tar, awk, or any number of things). When SLS and later Slackware, there was always a decision on how to do implement something. Mostly it was following SunOS but some followed other OSen. It's amusing that it's the other way now. ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: Computer show Saturday, in Manchester
Tom Buskey t...@buskey.name said: I was at the same UNH with Linus too. Me, too... And still have the autographed CD here in my collection. I bounced around between SuSE, RedHat, and Debian, and pretty much settled on openSUSE 11.mumble for a few years before I finally got tired of all of the driver changes and other crap with browsers, browser plug-ins, etc., etc., etc To paraphrase Warren Oates' Sergeant Hulka of Stripes, I'm getting too old for this stuff and last winter finally caved to the Walled Garden and am now working with a 27 iMac. However, I can/do still do things my way by bringing up a terminal window and using Bash to Get Things Done. Fortunately, I can do a lot of my ham radio stuff with the iMac, but unfortunately, there are still some apps out there that I need to run that won't run under OS X nor any flavor of Linux - WINE and its descendants/derivatives simply won't cut it - and resort to using a 10.1 netbook. And, I'm still subscribed to the GNHLUG list even though I haven't been back in the Granite State in several years... And I do occasionally throw a distro on a USB drive on my Netbook just to see what the state of the art is at the moment. Bayard___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: Computer show Saturday, in Manchester
On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 11:44 PM, Joshua Judson Rosen roz...@geekspace.com wrote: I remember buying an external 9600 BPS modem for someone from one of the NC Shows. I think I got my first Linux distro from one :) I got my first Linux distro from Jon maddog Hall and DEC when Linus Torvalds came to speak to UNH. :-D Red Hat Linux 2.1. At the time, I was new to this you-nicks thing. I wish I had been smart enough to get it autographed... Sadly, I saw *zero* Linux showing at the last show I attended (which, I guess, brings me back to the previous topic...) That's market dynamics for you. Everyone knows what MS-Windows is. Not everyone knows what Linux is. Thus, it seems like a better idea to show MS-Windows. Of course, if you have more than one PC, showing both might attract special interest from the Linux crowd. -- Ben ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: Computer show Saturday, in Manchester
On 08/16/2012 11:44 PM, Joshua Judson Rosen wrote: Sadly, I saw *zero* Linux showing at the last show I attended (which, I guess, brings me back to the previous topic...) If you want to take a drive on a Sunday morning, the MIT Flea has a lot of cool stuff both current and...uhm...aged? A real Enigma machine usually makes an appearance, and pretty much everyone there has Linux of some form available. Next one is this Sunday (I'll be there selling a few boxes of cra^W aged equipment) http://w1mx.mit.edu/flea-at-mit -Mark ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: Computer show Saturday, in Manchester
On 08/17/2012 07:41 AM, Ben Scott wrote: On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 11:44 PM, Joshua Judson Rosen roz...@geekspace.com wrote: I remember buying an external 9600 BPS modem for someone from one of the NC Shows. I think I got my first Linux distro from one :) I got my first Linux distro from Jon maddog Hall and DEC when Linus Torvalds came to speak to UNH. :-D Red Hat Linux 2.1. At the time, I was new to this you-nicks thing. I wish I had been smart enough to get it autographed... You mean like this one? :) http://tuininga.org/redhat_2_1_cd.jpg (sitting on my desk, here at work) -- Cole Tuininga Lead Developer co...@code-energy.com ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: Computer show Saturday, in Manchester (was: Prebuilt/turn-key PC options)
On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 10:06 AM, Joshua Judson Rosen roz...@geekspace.com wrote: http://ncshows.com/ I'm amazed they're still around. I remember buying an external 9600 BPS modem for someone from one of the NC Shows. (Or maybe it was KGP. They were both around back then.) -- Ben ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: Computer show Saturday, in Manchester
Ben Scott dragonh...@gmail.com writes: On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 10:06 AM, Joshua Judson Rosen roz...@geekspace.com wrote: http://ncshows.com/ I'm amazed they're still around. I remember buying an external 9600 BPS modem for someone from one of the NC Shows. (Or maybe it was KGP. They were both around back then.) I think I got my first Linux distro from one :) Sadly, I saw *zero* Linux showing at the last show I attended (which, I guess, brings me back to the previous topic...) -- Don't be afraid to ask (λf.((λx.xx) (λr.f(rr. ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
