One more bites the dust
I saw the announcement of the new Palm Treo 700w today, and thought I might take a look at it. My old phone is getting a bit long in the tooth, so I thought I might go for a new Treo. When I go to the page http://web.palm.com/products/smartphones/treo700w/details.jhtml I saw the agonizing Microsoft logo. Apparently Palm has decided to put their "ease of use" on top of the Windows Mobile platform. It means that every time I would go to use my phone I would have to be reminded of a monopoly gone bad. It is a shame that one of the last bastions of closed source good software felt they had to partner with someone who is basically their biggest competitor. I may never be able to purchase another Palm again. Sadly, maddog -- Jon "maddog" Hall Executive Director Linux International(R) email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 80 Amherst St. Voice: +1.603.672.4557 Amherst, N.H. 03031-3032 U.S.A. WWW: http://www.li.org Board Member: Uniforum Association, USENIX Association (R)Linux is a registered trademark of Linus Torvalds in several countries. (R)Linux International is a registered trademark in the USA used pursuant to a license from Linux Mark Institute, authorized licensor of Linus Torvalds, owner of the Linux trademark on a worldwide basis (R)UNIX is a registered trademark of The Open Group in the USA and other countries. ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
Re: One more bites the dust
I heard there will also be a treo700p that runs on palmOS http://www.engadget.com/2005/11/20/analyst-sez-treo-700p-on-sprint-early-next-year/ http://gadgetsonthego.net/2005/09/there-will-be-treo-700p_112776337725284205.html Jon maddog Hall wrote: I saw the announcement of the new Palm Treo 700w today, and thought I might take a look at it. My old phone is getting a bit long in the tooth, so I thought I might go for a new Treo. When I go to the page http://web.palm.com/products/smartphones/treo700w/details.jhtml I saw the agonizing Microsoft logo. Apparently Palm has decided to put their "ease of use" on top of the Windows Mobile platform. It means that every time I would go to use my phone I would have to be reminded of a monopoly gone bad. It is a shame that one of the last bastions of closed source good software felt they had to partner with someone who is basically their biggest competitor. I may never be able to purchase another Palm again. Sadly, maddog ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
Re: One more bites the dust
On Thursday 05 January 2006 01:15 pm, Jon maddog Hall wrote: > I saw the announcement of the new Palm Treo 700w today, and thought I might > take a look at it. My old phone is getting a bit long in the tooth, so I > thought I might go for a new Treo. They've said they intend to continue both the PalmOS and Windows handhelds and I can tell you my 650 is great! I don't think there's actually anything better about the 700w over the 650 except probably slightly faster hardware to deal with the OS bloat. -N ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
Re: One more bites the dust
Jon maddog Hall wrote: I saw the announcement of the new Palm Treo 700w today, and thought I might take a look at it. My old phone is getting a bit long in the tooth, so I thought I might go for a new Treo. When I go to the page http://web.palm.com/products/smartphones/treo700w/details.jhtml I saw the agonizing Microsoft logo. Apparently Palm has decided to put their "ease of use" on top of the Windows Mobile platform. It means that every time I would go to use my phone I would have to be reminded of a monopoly gone bad. It is a shame that one of the last bastions of closed source good software felt they had to partner with someone who is basically their biggest competitor. I may never be able to purchase another Palm again. Sadly, maddog Palm has also announced that they have plans to release products that use a Linux-based O/S. That might sit with you better. Now all they have to do is actually release it Dan ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
RE: One more bites the dust
> -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of > Neil Schelly > They've said they intend to continue both the PalmOS and > Windows handhelds and I can tell you my 650 is great! I don't > think there's actually anything better about the 700w over > the 650 except probably slightly faster hardware to deal with > the OS bloat. > -N Me too. ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
Re: One more bites the dust
David Pogue had a review of it in the NYT http://www.nytimes.com/2006/01/05/technology/circuits/05pogue.html sorry, passwd required Basically Palm did this so they could sell to everyone that requires MS because they were tired of losing that market. The ease of use is severly hampered.Unless the WinCE device severly outsells the PalmOS one, I think we'll see future PalmOS devices. Maybe companies that require WinCE will be willing to look at the other Palms once they have a few 700ws in house. - wishing for a PalmOS based blackberry (my company requires BB..)On 1/5/06, Jon maddog Hall <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote:I saw the announcement of the new Palm Treo 700w today, and thought I might take a look at it. My old phone is getting a bit long in the tooth, so Ithought I might go for a new Treo.When I go to the page http://web.palm.com/products/smartphones/treo700w/details.jhtml I saw the agonizing Microsoft logo. Apparently Palm has decided to put their"ease of use" on top of the Windows Mobile platform. It means that everytime I would go to use my phone I would have to be reminded of a monopoly gone bad.It is a shame that one of the last bastions of closed source good softwarefelt they had to partner with someone who is basically their biggestcompetitor.I may never be able to purchase another Palm again. Sadly,maddog--Jon "maddog" HallExecutive Director Linux International(R)email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 80 Amherst St.Voice: +1.603.672.4557 Amherst, N.H. 03031-3032 U.S.A.WWW: http://www.li.orgBoard Member: Uniforum Association, USENIX Association(R)Linux is a registered trademark of Linus Torvalds in several countries. (R)Linux International is a registered trademark in the USA used pursuant to a license from Linux Mark Institute, authorized licensor of Linus Torvalds, owner of the Linux trademark on a worldwide basis (R)UNIX is a registered trademark of The Open Group in the USA and other countries.___gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.orghttp://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss-- A strong conviction that something must be done is the parent of many bad measures. - Daniel Webster
Re: One more bites the dust
Y'all can imagine how I feel after having purchased a Garmin iQUE3600 GPS/PDA that has Palm software on it, and NOT be able to install the mapping software because I *have* to have MS Windows (XP|2000|etc) running on my desktop in order to poke the mapping bits into the iQUE. I can *read* my PDA's data (address book, memo, etc.) with kpilot, but I can't *write* to the PDA that way. I can't install the MapSource stuff under WINE because it chokes on the InstallShield . I can't install Win98SE on a spare drive because I have an esoteric SCSI controller (Adaptec 78xx-based) that the Win98SE installer doesn't know about (although I admit I haven't searched the Web for a driver floppy image). I even ran over to CompUSA and bought an el-cheapo desktop USB DVD r/w drive (with a card reader). I can actually mount the DVD and see the bits, but can't do anything with them. And, no, just copying them to the iQUE'! s 1GB SD card doesn't work - evidently there's some sort of secret fondling that the Palm Desktop has to do over the USB to the iQUE to write-enable it. An exchange of e-mail with Garmin gleaned confirmation that they don't support anything but Windews. Ironically, Garmin uses Apache to run the web site that dispenses new bits to customers and another Open Source/GNU application (forget off the top of my head) to sign up for their mailing list. C'est la vie... Happy New Year from sunny Florida, Bayard Coolidge, N1HO "Brake for Moose - it can save your life" - NHF&GDJon maddog Hall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: When I go to the page http://web.palm.com/products/smartphones/treo700w/details.jhtmlI saw the agonizing Microsoft logo. Apparently Palm has decided to put their"ease of use" on top! of the Windows Mobile platform. It means that everytime I would go to use my phone I would have to be reminded of a monopoly gonebad. Yahoo! DSL Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less
Re: One more bites the dust
On Thursday 05 January 2006 02:35 pm, Tom Buskey wrote: > - wishing for a PalmOS based blackberry (my company requires BB..) Why not get yourself a Treo then and install the Blackberry software on it? -N ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
Re: One more bites the dust
There's blackberry software for PalmOS or PocketPC?The Blackberry offers wireless syncing to an Blackberry/MS-Exchange server that syncs email, calendar and contacts securely. And it's a phone.For a road warrior, you can do much of your outlook stuff from your blackberry. It's very good. For me as a sysadmin, it buzzes my hip incessently with most of my email after I read it on the screen :-) Oh, and it buzzes on my dresser as it's charging.On 1/5/06, Neil Joseph Schelly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Thursday 05 January 2006 02:35 pm, Tom Buskey wrote:> - wishing for a PalmOS based blackberry (my company requires BB..)Why not get yourself a Treo then and install the Blackberry software on it?-N ___gnhlug-discuss mailing listgnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss-- A strong conviction that something must be done is the parent of many bad measures. - Daniel Webster
Re: One more bites the dust
Blackberry on PalmOS Treo 650. http://www.blackberry.com/news/press/2004/pr-18_05_2004-02.shtml http://www.geek.com/news/geeknews/2003May/bpd20030507019890.htm http://www.palm.com/us/enterprise/products/blackberry_connect.html -N On Thursday 05 January 2006 04:42 pm, Tom Buskey wrote: > There's blackberry software for PalmOS or PocketPC? > > The Blackberry offers wireless syncing to an Blackberry/MS-Exchange server > that syncs email, calendar and contacts securely. And it's a phone. > > For a road warrior, you can do much of your outlook stuff from your > blackberry. It's very good. > > For me as a sysadmin, it buzzes my hip incessently with most of my email > after I read it on the screen :-) Oh, and it buzzes on my dresser as it's > charging. > > On 1/5/06, Neil Joseph Schelly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Thursday 05 January 2006 02:35 pm, Tom Buskey wrote: > > > - wishing for a PalmOS based blackberry (my company requires BB..) > > > > Why not get yourself a Treo then and install the Blackberry software on > > it? > > -N > > ___ > > gnhlug-discuss mailing list > > gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org > > http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss > > -- > A strong conviction that something must be done is the parent of many bad > measures. > - Daniel Webster ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
Re: One more bites the dust
Walter Mossberg pans it in the Wall Street Journal, too: http://ptech.wsj.com/archive/ptech-20060105.html "My verdict: Despite some nice new features, the Windows Mobile software is still inferior to the Palm software for one-handed use on the go. Its crucial email and phone functions are also weaker. And there's a serious bug in its email software that affects individuals, though not corporate users. So the Treo 700w is neither as easy to use nor as powerful as the Treo 650. In addition, the screen on the 700w offers significantly lower resolution than the screen on the 650, and the new model costs twice as much -- $400 versus $200." Looks like they should have named it the Treo 325. Ted Roche Ted Roche & Associates, LLC http://www.tedroche.com On Jan 5, 2006, at 2:35 PM, Tom Buskey wrote: David Pogue had a review of it in the NYT http://www.nytimes.com/ 2006/01/05/technology/circuits/05pogue.html sorry, passwd required ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
RE: One more bites the dust
> -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom Buskey > Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2006 4:43 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Cc: gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org > Subject: Re: One more bites the dust > > > The Blackberry offers wireless syncing to an > Blackberry/MS-Exchange server that syncs email, calendar and > contacts securely. And it's a phone. With SnapperMail you can sync your emails with an Exchange server. With Snapper or Chatter on Polm, and IMAP instead of POP3 you can sync email *AND* eliminate any need for Exchange (for the email part...). ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
Re: One more bites the dust
Jon maddog Hall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I saw the announcement of the new Palm Treo 700w today, and thought I might > take a look at it. My old phone is getting a bit long in the tooth, so I > thought I might go for a new Treo. Yeah, but you're not going to miss much. The PalmOS software is a pain, there's no multitasking, the hardware breaks easily, etc. I'm on my 3rd Treo 600 in 2 years, and this one needs to be replaced to. I'm not overly hard on my phone. The screens are poor quality which go bad easily, the phone can't take even a simple jolt without powering off (which you'll never know has happened if it's on silent/vibrate mode). The ring tones aren't load enough. The display is difficult to read in bright-light conditions... I could go on and on. The 650 I don't have any direct experience with, but I know they had serious performance problems early one. I know switching between apps was extremely slow as compared to the 600. Most people I know aren't overly impressed with the 650 either. I'm thinking of ditching my Treo for a Nokia internet tablet (runs linux). It's got wifi and blue-tooth, can run xterms and emacs, and comes with Opera for browsing. It's exactly what I want, a desktop in my pocket. And it's half the price of the Treo 650s or what the 700s are likely to be. A friend at work has one and loves it. -- Seeya, Paul ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
Re: One more bites the dust
Neil Schelly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I can tell you my 650 is great! You're the first person I've heard say that. How long have you had it? I loved my 600 for the first few months. Now, 2 years later, I'm extremely disappointed. -- Seeya, Paul ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
Re: One more bites the dust
On Friday 06 January 2006 10:38 pm, Paul Lussier wrote: > Yeah, but you're not going to miss much. The PalmOS software is a > pain, there's no multitasking, the hardware breaks easily, etc. I've had Handspring/Palm hardware last for years. It won't sustain long drops, but my last Treo (a 650 that unfortunately met another fate) rolled with me in my last car, fell out the sunroof and was found about 10-15 feet away on the pavement with just a few more scratches, but otherwise perfect functioning condition. And I'm pretty sure being able to talk on the phone while working on my address book or writing down appointments in my datebook or listening to mp3s while doing something else or having email automatically checked in the background qualifies as multi-tasking, or at least close enough that I don't care. > silent/vibrate mode). The ring tones aren't load enough. The display > is difficult to read in bright-light conditions... I could go on and > on. The volume thing is an old problem they had with the original VisorPhones too (I had one of them for 4 years) and it was unfortunate they didn't fix it for the 600s. That said, I have no complaints of the volume with the 650. And the display was much improved between the 600 and 650 too. I've never found a light condition that doesn't work with the 650. It's the kind of display that you can turn off the backlight entirely and see fine with room lighting (assuming there's enough). > The 650 I don't have any direct experience with, but I know they had > serious performance problems early one. I know switching between apps > was extremely slow as compared to the 600. Most people I know aren't > overly impressed with the 650 either. I've never had performance problems that keep it from being a PDA and a phone and I'm pretty impressed with a couple of the 3D rendered games I've tried out on it. The initial problems they had were about space concerns and those were fixed with a patch quite some time ago and I even got a free SD card out of it. I think they more than made up for that oversight. Anyway, I've never met anyone who didn't love their 600 or 650, but if you're the type who'd consider a tablet PC instead of a PDA handheld, it probably just isn't the device for you. I can't imaging considering a tablet anywhere in the same league of utility as my Treo. -N ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
Re: One more bites the dust
On Jan 6, 2006, at 22:54, Neil Joseph Schelly wrote: I've had Handspring/Palm hardware last for years. It won't sustain long drops, but my last Treo (a 650 that unfortunately met another fate) rolled with me in my last car, fell out the sunroof and was found about 10-15 feet away on the pavement with just a few more scratches, but otherwise perfect functioning condition. I have clients who had a number of Treo 600's fall apart. My Treo 650 has been dropped several times, and just this Thursday it fell out of my coat pocket on the way to DLSLUG and I came back two and a half hours later to find it face down in the snow/salt, run over at least once. I brushed the snow off and it powered on. Checked my messages and then wiped the salt off once I got home. Completely different unit from the 600. And I'm pretty sure being able to talk on the phone while working on my address book or writing down appointments in my datebook or listening to mp3s while doing something else or having email automatically checked in the background qualifies as multi-tasking, or at least close enough that I don't care. It's worth noting on CDMA you *can't* use the phone and Internet at the same time. This would be handy for client work (put them on speakerphone and open an ssh shell). I understand the GSM version doesn't have this problem, but up here in the mountains we ain't got no fancy GSM. The volume thing is an old problem they had with the original VisorPhones too (I had one of them for 4 years) and it was unfortunate they didn't fix it for the 600s. That said, I have no complaints of the volume with the 650. And the display was much improved between the 600 and 650 too. I've never found a light condition that doesn't work with the 650. It's the kind of display that you can turn off the backlight entirely and see fine with room lighting (assuming there's enough). It has a 'far too loud' ring setting (I can hear it clear across the house and upstairs) and the screen is ~ double the resolution from the 600. Also, there are a handful of open source products for the PalmOS line. pssh and PalmVNC are essentials for me. Actually, I chose the phone mostly based on their availability. Symbian also has some open source followers. -Bill - Bill McGonigle, Owner Work: 603.448.4440 BFC Computing, LLC Home: 603.448.1668 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cell: 603.252.2606 http://www.bfccomputing.com/Page: 603.442.1833 Blog: http://blog.bfccomputing.com/ VCard: http://bfccomputing.com/vcard/bill.vcf ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
Re: One more bites the dust
-- Original message -- From: Neil Schelly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > They've said they intend to continue both the PalmOS and Windows handhelds and > I can tell you my 650 is great! I don't think there's actually anything > better about the 700w over the 650 except probably slightly faster hardware > to deal with the OS bloat. > -N I got a Treo650 when they first came out, as did the entire executive team at my former company. When I left that company, I begged them to take it back! The OS was buggy, there were a lot of problems with the hardware, and I had to troubleshoot them on a daily basis for the execs. I got myself a Motorola E815, and I haven't looked back. I don't see it as a bad thing that they are offering it with Windows. The largest market for the Treo, and most "smart phones" in general, is the executive class. These are people that don't want a great product with a lot of really good uses. They want an extension of their laptop that they can stick in their pocket. They want to check their e-mail without having to take out their laptop. By offering it with Windows Mobile, it gives the execs what they want, and us sysadmins don't have to deal with trying to teach them the difference between a mail client (VersaMail) and a PIM (Outlook), or explain ad nauseum why it doesn't work like a PC. However, I have to say that the next time I get a PDA, it will probably be the Nokia 770. It is 802.11 equipped, and it has a USB port and bluetooth. Since it run's Linux, you can probably hook it to your cell phone via USB or BT when you don't have a wifi network handy. C-Ya, Kenny
Re: One more bites the dust
On Jan 5, 2006, at 13:15, Jon maddog Hall wrote: My old phone is getting a bit long in the tooth, so I thought I might go for a new Treo. Just saw this: linux-based Motorola ROKR: http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,1895,1907731,00.asp -Bill - Bill McGonigle, Owner Work: 603.448.4440 BFC Computing, LLC Home: 603.448.1668 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cell: 603.252.2606 http://www.bfccomputing.com/Page: 603.442.1833 Blog: http://blog.bfccomputing.com/ VCard: http://bfccomputing.com/vcard/bill.vcf ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
Re: One more bites the dust
On 1/5/06, Neil Joseph Schelly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Blackberry on PalmOS Treo 650. > > http://www.blackberry.com/news/press/2004/pr-18_05_2004-02.shtml > http://www.geek.com/news/geeknews/2003May/bpd20030507019890.htm > http://www.palm.com/us/enterprise/products/blackberry_connect.html AFAIK, the above is nothing more then vaporware, and has been since it was announced back in 2004. And again in early 2005. And again in late 2005. So far, I think all the Palm/RIM alliance has produced is press releases. -- Ben "Would like to see BB on something other then RIM hardware" Scott ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
Re: One more bites the dust
On 1/5/06, Brian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> With SnapperMail you can sync your emails with an Exchange server. With
> Snapper or Chatter on Polm, and IMAP instead of POP3 you can sync email
> *AND* eliminate any need for Exchange (for the email part...).
That looks like Yet Another Mail Client. The sales and management
types who so love the CrackBerry also love Outlook. That's a big part
of why they love the 'berry. Everything they do in one is seamlessly
reflected in the other. It really does do that part very well. Most
mobile email/PIM products feel like they bolt on to Exchange; the BB
feels like Outlook in your hand.
The active notification ("push") of email is the other. It works
like With Palm and Wince both, you need to have the thing turn on and
poll the server. BB works like a cell phone.
The difference in user experience between these two sorts of
solutions is pretty tremendous (to the target market, anyway), but
something a lot of purveyors fail to see.
-- Ben
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Re: One more bites the dust
On Friday 06 January 2006 22:39, Paul Lussier wrote: > Neil Schelly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > I can tell you my 650 is great! > > You're the first person I've heard say that. How long have you had > it? I loved my 600 for the first few months. Now, 2 years later, I'm > extremely disappointed. I love my 650 as well. And it is even sweeter with the 1GB SD card I installed in it. Now, if someone can give me some helpful pointers about getting it to sink with Konsole via BlueTooth, my joy will be complete. I could get it working eventually, but just don't have the time right now. I hate having to sync with Windoze -- never works quite right. -Fred ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
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On Sun, Jan 08, 2006 at 10:54:40PM -0500, Fred wrote: > Now, if someone can give me some helpful pointers about getting it to sink > with Konsole via BlueTooth, my joy will be complete. I could get it working > eventually, but just don't have the time right now. I hate having to sync > with Windoze -- never works quite right. For the record (and probably somewhat off topic for this list), this is the primary reason I have a mac: Bluetooth integration. Using bluetooth, I want to perform several tasks: * Sync Contacts from computer to phone and back * Sync calendar events from computer to phone and back * Use Dial-up networking to use my phone as a modem over bluetooth (GPRS) * Less importantly then (but more so now), I'd like to be able to send files from the phone to the computer (camera images) * Least importantly, I'd like to be able to send files from the computer to the phone. (Python scripts, mostly.) When I last tried these tasks (around January 2k4), none of them were easy -- and when I say "not easy", I mean, I spent several weeks of free time compiling various underdocumented bluetooth stacks in an attempt to get any of them working. I was eventually able to achieve the last two items on my list with a lot of hard work, using command line tools and scripts that I wrote myself. With my Mac, I just open iSync, and it lets me add my phone, and sync up the first two just by pressing a button. Dial up networking requires stepping through some prompts to set it up, and knowing the *99# code to use a dial out number. Sending files to the computer simply pops up a dialog asking me to receive it, and sending files to the phone just uses a simple GUI tool called "Bluetooth File Transfer". If there's one thing Linux could do better for integration with mobile devices, it would be a well documented, highly functional bluetooth integration attempt. It may be that this has changed in the time since: I was running a 2.4.20 kernel when doing this, and there was no clear winner among the bluetooth stacks at the time, which I think there may be now. But I can tell you that even getting the limited amount of things done that I did was very difficult, and the 3rd option on my list above was something I was simply never able to do, and wanted to quite badly. So, I bought a Mac instead. And I've been happy with it ever since. -- Christopher Schmidt Web Developer signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: One more bites the dust
Some general commentary... Palm thinks they are a hardware company, so they don't think Microsoft is their competition. Wrong on both counts. After being bought by USR, and then by 3Com, and then spun off again, the company was split in two. PalmOne for hardware; PalmSource for software (PalmOS). PalmOne has since bought Handspring and changed their name back to Palm. All the other PalmOS licensees (Sony/Clie, Samsung, Kyocera) have lost interest. So for practical purposes, PalmSource and Palm might as well be one company. And, of course, Microsoft isn't anybody's friend. It continually amazes me that people keep falling for Microsoft's lure. "Sure, every other partner they've had, they've eventually eaten alive, but I'm sure ole Billy will be nice to *us*. He's our friend!" Fool me once... I was once told that NT on the Alpha was fairly limited in it's support for 64-bit operation, and didn't even properly support the large memory model. I think it was by someone trying to sell OSF/1 licenses, though, so that info might be biased. :) -- Ben "I'm gonna miss my Clie when it dies" Scott ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
Re: One more bites the dust
Mac is not really an option for me at this time, and I may indeed have to sweat it out. I do have something of a BlueTooth stack currently on my Linux system, but all it does now is tells me it's getting packets from the PDA. I really don't have that much time to tinker with it; too many higher priority items on my list -- ironically, being tracked by the PDA itself! -Fred ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
Re: One more bites the dust
On Monday 09 January 2006 00:08, Ben Scott wrote: > Some general commentary... ... > I was once told that NT on the Alpha was fairly limited in it's > support for 64-bit operation, and didn't even properly support the > large memory model. I think it was by someone trying to sell OSF/1 > licenses, though, so that info might be biased. :) Knowing what I do of the NT API at the time NT Alpha was announced, I am very doubtful NT could've handled the large memory model. Maybe, but I remain very doubtful. I don't ever recall anything in the MDSN about Alpha's large memory model, so my guess it that it was never quite supported. Besides, If I recall correctly, NT had some major issues with anything over 2GB at the time. It's been a while, though, so I could be mistaken. I still probably have some really old NT Alpha MSDN CDs buried under years of clutter around here somewhere if anyone is so masochistic to find out. However, I'm not so sure I am so masochistic to did them up from the years of clutter and dust. They'd make good frisbees anyway for the kids. Or coasters. Or something to give to your worst enemy. ;-) -Fred ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
Re: One more bites the dust
I remember finding this relatively easy to do, once I sat down and followed a 15 minute how-to for the BlueZ package. DUN was a little tougher, but I got that working too and it was mostly a matter of finding the right connect strings for T-Mobile T-Zones, which can be different for different providers and levels of service. -N On Monday 09 January 2006 07:43 am, Fred wrote: > Mac is not really an option for me at this time, and I may indeed have to > sweat it out. I do have something of a BlueTooth stack currently on my > Linux system, but all it does now is tells me it's getting packets from the > PDA. I really don't have that much time to tinker with it; too many higher > priority items on my list -- ironically, being tracked by the PDA itself! > > -Fred > ___ > gnhlug-discuss mailing list > gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org > http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
Re: One more bites the dust
On 1/9/06, Ben Scott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Some general commentary...have lost interest. So for practical purposes, PalmSource and Palmmight as well be one company. And PalmSource got sold off And, of course, Microsoft isn'tanybody's friend.It continually amazes me that people keep falling for Microsoft'slure. "Sure, every other partner they've had, they've eventuallyeaten alive, but I'm sure ole Billy will be nice to *us*. He's our friend!" Fool me once...I think Citrix might be the only exception. Windows Terminal Server may have taken away a bit of the need for citrix (unless you need multi os clients) but they built that for MS too. -- Ben "I'm gonna miss my Clie when it dies" Scott My Clie's screen loses its accuracy. The longer you use it, the worse it gets. *sigh*-- A strong conviction that something must be done is the parent of many bad measures. - Daniel Webster
Re: One more bites the dust
--- Fred <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Monday 09 January 2006 00:08, Ben Scott wrote: > > Some general commentary... > ... > > I was once told that NT on the Alpha was fairly > limited in it's > > support for 64-bit operation, and didn't even > properly support the > > large memory model. I think it was by someone > trying to sell OSF/1 > > licenses, though, so that info might be biased. > :) > > Knowing what I do of the NT API at the time NT Alpha > was announced, I am very > doubtful NT could've handled the large memory model. > Maybe, but I remain > very doubtful. I don't ever recall anything in the > MDSN about Alpha's large > memory model, so my guess it that it was never quite > supported. Besides, If > I recall correctly, NT had some major issues with > anything over 2GB at the > time. It's been a while, though, so I could be > mistaken. > > I still probably have some really old NT Alpha MSDN > CDs buried under years of > clutter around here somewhere if anyone is so > masochistic to find out. > However, I'm not so sure I am so masochistic to did > them up from the years > of clutter and dust. > > They'd make good frisbees anyway for the kids. Or > coasters. Or something to > give to your worst enemy. ;-) > > -Fred > ___ > gnhlug-discuss mailing list > gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org > http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss > __ Yahoo! DSL Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less. dsl.yahoo.com ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
Re: One more bites the dust
Hi, I've followed this thread with interest, because I have an old DEC Alpha (PC164LX) that was used as a RIP Server (Raster Image Processing). It has about 128 MB of RAM, and is currently running Debian/Gnu "Woody". I obtained it from a friend who worked for a company out on route 128, that was tossing it. I became acquainted with the Alpha and VAX back in college and thought it would make a fun addition to the home flock. When I received it, it was running NT for Alpha. After some research, I found there wasn't much available software for it and thought I'd tinker with OpenVMS at some point. I've considered adding more RAM, but I'm not sure if it would be worth the expense. I think I downloaded and tried every Linux port for Alpha, but the only one I could get to kick over was Debian. (Not that that's a bad thing...). They did tell me that the machine cost in the vicinity of $40K when new! At any rate, I'd be open to suggestions as to what I can do to "enhance" my Alpha experience. Mike __ Yahoo! DSL Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less. dsl.yahoo.com ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
