Re: philosophical question about gmail
On Aug 5, 2004, at 09:17, Jeff Kinz wrote: Anybody know what ISP's real status is vis-a-vis being/not being a Common Carrier? Most of the articles I've read say the cable plant does not fall under common carrier provisions but data lines provisioned through telcos do. So they can do port blocking, prioritize their conglomerate's traffic, turn off service without notice (Remember @Home?), etc. Where it could get interesting is that common carriers receive special protections when it comes to questionable content. They get to claim that they're not the publisher of given content, they're just a common carrier. I suspect if the parent companies of the cable providers weren't themselves RIAA members this issue would have been pressed already. The cable companies want to have it both ways. For the right amount of money appropriate legislation can probably make it so. -Bill Bill McGonigle, Owner Work: 603.448.4440 BFC Computing, LLC Home: 603.448.1668 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cell: 603.252.2606 http://www.bfccomputing.com/Text: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
Re: philosophical question about gmail
On Aug 5, 2004, at 11:57, Derek Martin wrote: It's the principle that no one should EVER be reading my e-mail but me and my intended recipients, regardless of the contents. Some people will no doubt feel that this principle is, practically speaking, not worth defending. practically speaking gets to the root of the issue. I suspect four out of five people on the street would agree with your sentiment and three out of four would be willing to click a 'keep my mail private' checkbox. One out of ten thousand is willing to learn GPG and get his keys signed, install mailer plugins, etc. Not to mention that you and I are both e-mail encrypters but I'm using S/MIME and you're using PGP. The technology is here, I assert the users' willingness is here, but usable implementations are not available. AOL, e.g., could issue certs to their users and transparently build S/MIME into their service, but obviously they don't want to. Ditto for gmail and all the rest. -Bill Bill McGonigle, Owner Work: 603.448.4440 BFC Computing, LLC Home: 603.448.1668 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cell: 603.252.2606 http://www.bfccomputing.com/Text: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
RE: philosophical question about gmail
Thanks for asking Bill I don't know either. Richard A Sharpe (DBA) Sqlserver/DB2 Amherst Technologies 40 Continental Blvd Merrimack, NH 03054 PHONE ...(603) 579-6180 / (800) 431-8031 Cell phone ..(603) 320-7785 FAX ...(603) 578-1072 EMAIL [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tenemos que tener fe (We must have faith) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bill Sconce Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 2004 2:15 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: philosophical question about gmail This is going to hurt. I'm going to have to admit ignorance, not just of the usual sort, but in this case near-total ignorance. What is gmail? On Wed, 04 Aug 2004 13:41:07 -0400 Kevin D. Clark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Some of the members of this list have not signed Gmail's user agreement (let's call this Group A). Others have (let's these people Group B). Wait a minute. The ignorance is not total. I know one thing. I know that I'm in Group A. I haven't signed ANYONE's user agreement recently. (Actually, I haven't signed anyone's user agreement for at least several years now, not since I converted to Linux.) It takes some amount of effort to belong to this group. Why should the efforts of Group A be available to Gmail (in the form of raw data, marketing data, and potential advertising revenues) simply because Group B decided to sign Gmail's user agreement? That sounds like a good question. Just wondering. I haven't made up my mind yet about Gmail. OK. I'm wondering too. (I did a search of gnhlug, found gmail in the subject of only two messages, this one from Kevin and the one where Jeff says he's run out of friends. Some of us probably don't know what a gmail invitation is either.) -Bill ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
Re: philosophical question about gmail
This is going to hurt. I'm going to have to admit ignorance, not just of the usual sort, but in this case near-total ignorance. What is gmail? On Wed, 04 Aug 2004 13:41:07 -0400 Kevin D. Clark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Some of the members of this list have not signed Gmail's user agreement (let's call this Group A). Others have (let's these people Group B). Wait a minute. The ignorance is not total. I know one thing. I know that I'm in Group A. I haven't signed ANYONE's user agreement recently. (Actually, I haven't signed anyone's user agreement for at least several years now, not since I converted to Linux.) It takes some amount of effort to belong to this group. Why should the efforts of Group A be available to Gmail (in the form of raw data, marketing data, and potential advertising revenues) simply because Group B decided to sign Gmail's user agreement? That sounds like a good question. Just wondering. I haven't made up my mind yet about Gmail. OK. I'm wondering too. (I did a search of gnhlug, found gmail in the subject of only two messages, this one from Kevin and the one where Jeff says he's run out of friends. Some of us probably don't know what a gmail invitation is either.) -Bill ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
Re: philosophical question about gmail
On Wed, 4 Aug 2004 14:14:38 -0400, Bill Sconce wrote: This is going to hurt. I'm going to have to admit ignorance, not just of the usual sort, but in this case near-total ignorance. What is gmail? I've replied to 2 folks about this, so here it is for the list. gmail is google's web based mail system that offers 1 GIG of free space. It display ads based on content in your email. The ads are normal non-intrusive ads that google made popular. Since this service is in beta only existing users can invite others. Gmail gave me up to 12 invitations to hand out over time, I had one left so I offered it to the group. But I have to add, where have you folks been? :) Gmail was talked about a lot in the press! Just google for gmail! -- Jeff Macdonald Ayer, MA ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
Re: philosophical question about gmail
On Wed, 4 Aug 2004 14:27:32 -0400 Jeff Macdonald [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 4 Aug 2004 14:14:38 -0400, Bill Sconce wrote: This is going to hurt. I'm going to have to admit ignorance, not just of the usual sort, but in this case near-total ignorance. What is gmail? I've replied to 2 folks about this, so here it is for the list. gmail is google's web based mail system that offers 1 GIG of free space. It display ads based on content in your email. The ads are normal non-intrusive ads that google made popular. Since this service is in beta only existing users can invite others. Gmail gave me up to 12 invitations to hand out over time, I had one left so I offered it to the group. But I have to add, where have you folks been? :) Gmail was talked about a lot in the press! Just google for gmail! Press? You mean out in The World? Not a newslist? Who has time, with all the heckling we have to do?:) -Bill Seriously, thanks for the explanation. ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
