Re: *sigh* I guess I'm going mobile
On 06/14/2013 06:32 AM, David Rysdam wrote: Twice in the last week we've had incidents where I needed to contact my wife and couldn't. We have cheap crappy cellphones but they are so old that they don't work well (e.g. won't hold a charge, terrible coverage, etc) so we don't ever take them with us. I'm afraid I'm going to have to get something modern. It's possible we'll still get dumbphones, but I'm looking at the smartphone options as well, thus the *sigh*. Here's my Linux-related question: What smartphones will I have the least amount of trouble with if I need/want to connect them with my Linux computer? Presumably Android, but maybe not. Or possibly certain versions are better or worse than others. There are several Android apps that you can use to connect, such as connectbot. Connection is via WiFi. -- Jerry Feldman g...@blu.org Boston Linux and Unix PGP key id:3BC1EB90 PGP Key fingerprint: 49E2 C52A FC5A A31F 8D66 C0AF 7CEA 30FC 3BC1 EB90 ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: *sigh* I guess I'm going mobile
The latest Androids seem to require MTP(?) to transfer files between it and a remote system. Some do the connection only over bluetooth, some over the USB cable. Not all Linux systems support the MTP protocol version required by Android. I do know that some of the older Linux MTP versions DO NOT work with Android! (Which can be very frustrating if you don't update frequently.) --Bruce PS: I seem to remember reading that MTP is a Microsoft derived product. On 06/14/2013 06:32 AM, David Rysdam wrote: Twice in the last week we've had incidents where I needed to contact my wife and couldn't. We have cheap crappy cellphones but they are so old that they don't work well (e.g. won't hold a charge, terrible coverage, etc) so we don't ever take them with us. I'm afraid I'm going to have to get something modern. It's possible we'll still get dumbphones, but I'm looking at the smartphone options as well, thus the *sigh*. Here's my Linux-related question: What smartphones will I have the least amount of trouble with if I need/want to connect them with my Linux computer? Presumably Android, but maybe not. Or possibly certain versions are better or worse than others. ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/ ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: *sigh* I guess I'm going mobile
On Fri, Jun 14, 2013 at 7:14 AM, Bruce Dawson j...@codemeta.com wrote: The latest Androids seem to require MTP(?) to transfer files between it and a remote system. Some do the connection only over bluetooth, some over the USB cable. Must be a new thing. I got an Android last year, version says 4.0.4. When I plug in USB it asks Charge only, Mass Storage, Transfer Files. When I pick Mass Storage, the memory card shows up as an external drive. Your mileage may vary, I guess. Curt- ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: *sigh* I guess I'm going mobile
On 6/14/2013 6:32 AM, David Rysdam wrote: Twice in the last week we've had incidents where I needed to contact my wife and couldn't. We have cheap crappy cellphones but they are so old that they don't work well (e.g. won't hold a charge, terrible coverage, etc) so we don't ever take them with us. I'm afraid I'm going to have to get something modern. It's possible we'll still get dumbphones, but I'm looking at the smartphone options as well, thus the *sigh*. Here's my Linux-related question: What smartphones will I have the least amount of trouble with if I need/want to connect them with my Linux computer? Presumably Android, but maybe not. Or possibly certain versions are better or worse than others. I almost never have to sync any of my android devices to my system, it all just goes into the cloud *waves hands*. When I do, though, there's a few different ways to get to the storage. Changing the USB access type as Curt mentioned works, and I think you can also use the Android SDK to directly access files over USB. While you're looking at phones, the Galaxy S3 is pretty sweet, and inexpensive to boot now that the GS4 is out. -Mark ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: *sigh* I guess I'm going mobile
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 06/14/2013 06:32 AM, David Rysdam wrote: ... Here's my Linux-related question: What smartphones will I have the least amount of trouble with if I need/want to connect them with my Linux computer? Presumably Android, but maybe not. Or possibly certain versions are better or worse than others. I'm happy with Nokia N9 / MeeGo, quadband GSM, pentaband 3G, works/roams in Europe/Mexico/Canada, free offline maps and navigation. Connection to Linux via USB (mass storage) and Bluetooth. Now new apps in Store anymore though. - -- Šarūnas Burdulis http://math.dartmouth.edu/~sarunas -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with undefined - http://www.enigmail.net/ iEYEARECAAYFAlG7D9gACgkQVVkpJ1MUn+bU8QCfePdTQiHQsCXBm7N+TCk6qn3q J/0AnjVuZlEEWvy+CeK7vrmDO01Z5DnH =vaqo -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: *sigh* I guess I'm going mobile
I have an android tablet. I've never used the USB for anything other than charging. I do everything over WiFi My videos are on a DLNA/UPnP server on my fileserver. Music I have a DAAP server. Books I have on Calibre with the web server. I have samba/nfs/sftp/http servers to access files on it too. And I run Dropbox on the fileserver. On the android, I have web and file browsers that can copy stuff to the SD card when I'm not within WiFi reach of the fileserver. There's also Dropbox. If you use google for email, calendar, etc it just works. Feedly is a bit slow on android for RSS but it lets you use one reader everywhere. The main thing I need to copy files locally for is uploading photos from the android and downloading to kindle/fbreader/nook/other ereader onto the android. You can use Dropbox to do all this automatically. There are also apps to auto upload photos too. If I had a phone w/ more data plan then I'd use, I'd figure a way to ssh tunnel to my server so it'd always be available. I'd also figure out how to tether for my laptop. I imagine there are similar things for iPhone but some things will never happen (emulators if you're into that for example) On Fri, Jun 14, 2013 at 8:43 AM, Šarūnas saru...@mail.saabnet.com wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 06/14/2013 06:32 AM, David Rysdam wrote: ... Here's my Linux-related question: What smartphones will I have the least amount of trouble with if I need/want to connect them with my Linux computer? Presumably Android, but maybe not. Or possibly certain versions are better or worse than others. I'm happy with Nokia N9 / MeeGo, quadband GSM, pentaband 3G, works/roams in Europe/Mexico/Canada, free offline maps and navigation. Connection to Linux via USB (mass storage) and Bluetooth. Now new apps in Store anymore though. - -- Šarūnas Burdulis http://math.dartmouth.edu/~sarunas -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with undefined - http://www.enigmail.net/ iEYEARECAAYFAlG7D9gACgkQVVkpJ1MUn+bU8QCfePdTQiHQsCXBm7N+TCk6qn3q J/0AnjVuZlEEWvy+CeK7vrmDO01Z5DnH =vaqo -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/ ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: *sigh* I guess I'm going mobile (Linux-compatible smartphones?)
What smartphones will I have the least amount of trouble with if I need/want to connect them with my Linux computer? If by connect you mean move photo/movie/sound/ringtone/etc files between host and phone then I'll echo Curt's response. My by-now-ancient DroidX2 behaves perfectly with USB (and Bluetooth, I assume, though I've never tried it) for approved activities like that, presenting two block devices - one for the permanent internal storage and one for the removable storage - that I can mount and access trivially. AFAIK there's no tool (linux or other) that enables non-powerusers like me to install/change apps on my unrooted phone; the only way is by connecting back to the mothership over the air via WiFi or 3G to ask permission and gain access to the approved app repositories. OTOH, if by connect you mean use the phone as my computer's Internet connection (AKA tethering) that's a much more interesting - and usually expensive - matter. I've been curious about Clearwire as a possible solution to mobile Internet - anybody have any experience with them? The fact that they're going through a rather melodramatic acquisition battle involving Sprint and Dish Network makes me want to hang back until the dust settles, though... ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: *sigh* I guess I'm going mobile
It is a new thing - I'm running a Nexus 4 with 4.2.2; kernel 3.4.0-... When I plug in the USB, I'm given two Connect As choices: 1. Media Device (MTP) 2. Camera (PTP) The PTP is supposedly for older systems. Unfortunately, my Ubuntu 10.04 (Lucid) system needs non-default software to use either method. And the bluetooth method only lets me send files to the device! Rather frustrating - I'm pretty sure the average user would not be able to figure this stuff out unless they were using a windows system or a Mac. --Bruce On 06/14/2013 07:57 AM, Curt Howland wrote: On Fri, Jun 14, 2013 at 7:14 AM, Bruce Dawson j...@codemeta.com wrote: The latest Androids seem to require MTP(?) to transfer files between it and a remote system. Some do the connection only over bluetooth, some over the USB cable. Must be a new thing. I got an Android last year, version says 4.0.4. When I plug in USB it asks Charge only, Mass Storage, Transfer Files. When I pick Mass Storage, the memory card shows up as an external drive. Your mileage may vary, I guess. Curt- ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: *sigh* I guess I'm going mobile (Linux-compatible smartphones?)
On Fri, Jun 14, 2013 at 9:37 AM, Michael ODonnell michael.odonn...@comcast.net wrote: OTOH, if by connect you mean use the phone as my computer's Internet connection (AKA tethering) that's a much more interesting - and usually expensive - matter. I've been curious about Clearwire as a possible solution to mobile Internet - anybody have any experience with them? The fact that they're going through a rather melodramatic acquisition battle involving Sprint and Dish Network makes me want to hang back until the dust settles, though... The coverage area sucks, badly. My last phone was a used WiMax for it's 4G. Only spots of Manchester had any coverage, and coverage which used to exist seems to have disappeared (I'm assuming due to Sprint moving to LTE). I've since replaced my phone, so I can't actually go test specific locations. -- -- Thomas ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: *sigh* I guess I'm going mobile
On Fri, Jun 14, 2013 at 9:47 AM, Bruce Dawson j...@codemeta.com wrote: It is a new thing - I'm running a Nexus 4 with 4.2.2; kernel 3.4.0-... When I plug in the USB, I'm given two Connect As choices: Media Device (MTP) Camera (PTP) This is because some new phones don't have a separate SD card and also don't have partitioned storage. USB mass storage only works on a configuration that permits the phone to unmount the device before allowing the PC access to it. New phones with only a single partition can't do that. My solution is dropbear ssh server and sshfs. Once set up, nautilus can use an sftp:// URL to access data on the phone. An other solution is wifi file explorer. Cheers! Ty -- Tyson D Sawyer A strong conviction that something must be done is the parent of many bad measures. - Daniel Webster ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: *sigh* I guess I'm going mobile
On Fri, Jun 14, 2013 at 9:47 AM, Bruce Dawson j...@codemeta.com wrote: Rather frustrating - I'm pretty sure the average user would not be able to figure this stuff out unless they were using a windows system or a Mac. I have an iPhone through work. When I plug that into my Linux box, it automounts, but there is nothing there. Plugging into my work Win7, the iPhone also automounts, but I get the directory with any photos taken by the iPhone. Pretty much the same thing that happened several years ago when I tried hooking up an iPod without using Gtk-Pod. A conspiracy? Yes, I think so. Curt- ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: *sigh* I guess I'm going mobile (Linux-compatible smartphones?)
When I plug that into my Linux box, it automounts, but there is nothing there. Plugging into my work Win7, the iPhone also automounts, but I get the directory with any photos taken by the iPhone. [...] A conspiracy? My phone presents multiple USB mass-storage devices so it's possible yours does, too, but your various systems are choosing different devices to mount. Maybe try something like 'fdisk -l' to see what's presented. In my case I then used dosfslabel to name the internal and external filesystems in my DroidX2 and then added lines like these to my fstab: LABEL=DROIDINT /mnt/DROIDINT vfat defaults,errors=remount-ro 0 0 LABEL=DROIDEXT /mnt/DROIDEXT vfat defaults,errors=remount-ro 0 0 ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: *sigh* I guess I'm going mobile (Linux-compatible smartphones?)
On Fri Jun 14 9:37 , 'Michael ODonnell' michael.odonn...@comcast.net sent: I've been curious about Clearwire as a possible solution to mobile Internet - anybody have any experience with them? I have a coworker who works remotely from a rent an office in Colorado. Swears by the Clearwire service. Cheaper than buying connection services through the (Regis office provider) On his last trip out to the Burlington office he continued to use his Clearwire device for connecting the corporate network, I had to admit our local office Wifi Hub had wireless issues.. Michael Nolin ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: *sigh* I guess I'm going mobile (Linux-compatible smartphones?)
Michael ODonnell michael.odonn...@comcast.net writes: What smartphones will I have the least amount of trouble with if I need/want to connect them with my Linux computer? If by connect you mean move photo/movie/sound/ringtone/etc files between host and phone then I'll echo Curt's response. My by-now-ancient DroidX2 behaves perfectly with USB (and Bluetooth, I assume, though I've never tried it) for approved activities like that, presenting two block devices - one for the permanent internal storage and one for the removable storage - that I can mount and access trivially. I was imagining having to get photos off, copy MP3s on, etc. I hadn't considered WiFi. In any case, now that I've looked at it a bit, I doubt I'm going smartphone. The pricing is just too enragingly entitled. ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: *sigh* I guess I'm going mobile (Linux-compatible smartphones?)
On 06/14/2013 11:06 AM, Michael Nolin wrote: On Fri Jun 14 9:37 , 'Michael ODonnell' michael.odonn...@comcast.net sent: I've been curious about Clearwire as a possible solution to mobile Internet - anybody have any experience with them? I have a coworker who works remotely from a rent an office in Colorado. Swears by the Clearwire service. Cheaper than buying connection services through the (Regis office provider) On his last trip out to the Burlington office he continued to use his Clearwire device for connecting the corporate network, I had to admit our local office Wifi Hub had wireless issues.. WRT: Regus. We were in a Regus office for 5 years, and were treated very, very well, but their Internet and Internet policies really suck. We had a shared switch with most of the other clients. The bandwidth was barely ok. Then they upgraded, but they limited each client to 2Mbps symmetrical. But that was not the worst thing. They also switched from ATT to Level 3. Not only did they cut our effective bandwidth, but Level 3 had a lot of latency. Everything we had went through Cincinnati. Fortunately, RCN had fibre in our building/floor so we signed a contract with RCN. While we were only DOCSIS 2 for a while, the bandwidth was usable. Regus actually signed the contract with RCN because they had a couple of other clients on RCN. However Regus' accounts payable center moved to Manilla, and every once in a while the bill didn't get paid, and the office manager had to yell and scream at them. So, getting a provider outside of Regus may be a good plan. -- Jerry Feldman g...@blu.org Boston Linux and Unix PGP key id:3BC1EB90 PGP Key fingerprint: 49E2 C52A FC5A A31F 8D66 C0AF 7CEA 30FC 3BC1 EB90 ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
