Re: Dynamic apache config

2003-06-05 Thread Michael O'Donnell


 Besides, most people pick lousy passphrases anyway. That's why I wrote 
 my own passphrase generator to spit out random gibbersish such as 
 (actual program output):
 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ pgen
 8T(U[TcY
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ pgen 12
  mp{6$}9:_+\
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ pgen 24
 EQ;WcpgHbT\8pxJD.h_mOwe:
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$


In a pinch, similar random glop can be generated thus:

  dd if=/dev/random bs=44 count=1 2/dev/null | uuencode fubar | sed -e 1d -e 2q
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Re: Dynamic apache config

2003-06-05 Thread Cole Tuininga
On Tue, 2003-06-03 at 17:12, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On 3 Jun 2003, at 4:16pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  I'm looking for a little more magic with a little less regenerating
  httpd.conf.  *grin*
 
   Question: Why?  How often will your virtual host setup change?

Potentially fairly frequently...

The other concern I have (and perhaps you folks can allay them?) is the
issue of ssl certs with passwords.  If I'm restarting apache to have it
reread the conf file, wouldn't I have to enter the certificate password
each time?

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 lacking zero, they had no way to indicate successful termination of
 their C programs.  --  Robert Firth

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Re: Dynamic apache config

2003-06-05 Thread Jason Stephenson
Cole Tuininga wrote:
The other concern I have (and perhaps you folks can allay them?) is the
issue of ssl certs with passwords.  If I'm restarting apache to have it
reread the conf file, wouldn't I have to enter the certificate password
each time?
In my experience, yes. I believe that you can add to whatever startup 
script you're using and pass it as an option to httpd.

Of course you can always use an empty passphrase when you generate the 
certificate. This permits Apache to restart in SSL mode without needing 
a password. I've done this with self-signed certificates when 
experimenting with SSL and on a couple of test/development machines.

When I'm feeling lazy, I also do this with my ssh keys so I can ssh 
without needing a password at all.

Yes, I know it's considered bad security practice, but if the system is 
otherwise secure, then the risk of empty passphrases isn't that great. 
It's only a danger is someone breaks into the machine and steals the 
original keys, or if you do it on a machine where you aren't root, or at 
least not the only admin with root access and you can't trust the other 
admins.

Anyway, I've never considered passphrases and passwords as a security 
mechanism. They're really more of an access mechanism. So, I have no 
qualms about using empty passphrases for my self-signed certs and ssh 
keys. If my machine was ever to be compromised, I'd probably generate 
all new keys for ssh, ssl and gpg anyway. (Yes, I use a rather long 
passphrase with gpg.)

Besides, most people pick lousy passphrases anyway. That's why I wrote 
my own passphrase generator to spit out random gibbersish such as 
(actual program output):

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ pgen
8T(U[TcY
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ pgen 12
 mp{6$}9:_+\
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ pgen 24
EQ;WcpgHbT\8pxJD.h_mOwe:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$
Note that the first character of the 12-character passphrase is a blank 
space.

Trouble with that is, you have to write them down or store them in a 
database, which just means there's one more thing you have to worry 
about guarding/losing.

OK, so I veered off topic, but that's not unusual for me, or for this 
list. :-)

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Re: Dynamic apache config

2003-06-04 Thread bscott
On 3 Jun 2003, at 4:16pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I'm looking for a little more magic with a little less regenerating
 httpd.conf.  *grin*

  Question: Why?  How often will your virtual host setup change?

  I agree that generating a config file is not as elegant as pulling it
right from the database, but, from a strictly pragmatic point of view, it
might be the best overall solution.

 I've found something that seemingly does what I want
 (http://www.synthemesc.com/mod_vdbh/) but is only available for Apache
 2.0.x ... and I'm running 1.3.x right now.

  I think I remember reading that one of the goals with the Apache 2.x
redesign was to make things like what you're talking about easier.

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