Re: Verizon offering 3Mbps
On Wed, 08 Sep 2004 23:01:27 -0400 Brian Riley (maillist) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have had Direcway bi-directional satellite since April and am fairly happy with it. Isn't there a daily download limit of 500 or 800 MB? -- Jerry Feldman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Boston Linux and Unix user group http://www.blu.org PGP key id:C5061EA9 PGP Key fingerprint:053C 73EC 3AC1 5C44 3E14 9245 FB00 3ED5 C506 1EA9 pgpHuH7aoeWhu.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Verizon offering 3Mbps
In a message dated: Wed, 08 Sep 2004 23:01:27 EDT Brian Riley (maillist) said: My download speeds are on the order of cable speeds and upload is slower but At least as good as most DSL. What's the latency like on that? I'm assuming with a 48K mile round-trip minimum for every packet, latency must be rather high? I paid 4100 up front and will pay $100/month for 15 months then $60/month. The alternative was $600 up front and $60 month ... Since I was paying $52 a month just for my second phone line, this price is fine by me ... What kind of service was the $600/$60 for? On pure dollar costs, that seems the cheaper way to go. Did the $4100/$100/$60 get you a higher quality of service? Seeya, Paul -- Key fingerprint = 1660 FECC 5D21 D286 F853 E808 BB07 9239 53F1 28EE It may look like I'm just sitting here doing nothing, but I'm really actively waiting for all my problems to go away. If you're not having fun, you're not doing it right! ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
Re: Verizon offering 3Mbps
On Thu, 2004-09-09 at 10:37 -0400, Paul Lussier wrote: In a message dated: Wed, 08 Sep 2004 23:01:27 EDT Brian Riley (maillist) said: My download speeds are on the order of cable speeds and upload is slower but At least as good as most DSL. What's the latency like on that? I'm assuming with a 48K mile round-trip minimum for every packet, latency must be rather high? Latency has always been an issue with satellite service. Usually, they have a high latency, and one of the most notable side effects is the inability to use a VPN over satellite (just to tie this to another current thread). Another problem with some satellite ISPs is that they run NAT/PAT at the network head which interferes with VPNs, online gaming, etc. FWIW, Kenny -- Kenneth E. Lussier [EMAIL PROTECTED] signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: Verizon offering 3Mbps
On Sep 9, 2004, at 10:37, Paul Lussier wrote: Did the $4100/$100/$60 get you a higher quality of service? FYI, he meant $100, not $4100 (lack of a shift key on the 4). They basically let you pay for equipment over time at a total of ~$100 extra. High interest rate, but easier to swallow for many. I almost got Direcway but the latency was ~1.3s for non-cached stuff. That would make my head explode for ssh. Instead I got together with my neighbors and build a wireless network which runs on some private VDSL, bounces over a hill and down to a swamp to land at a cable modem. This turned out to be ALOT more work than I expected, but it lets me work at home. Plus the local Direcway licensees were scum, trying to get extra travel fees out of me and completely unwilling to do any work themselves (why don't you find a local installer and have him call me, then I'll get him to do it for you). -Bill Bill McGonigle, Owner Work: 603.448.4440 BFC Computing, LLC Home: 603.448.1668 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cell: 603.252.2606 http://www.bfccomputing.com/Text: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
Re: Verizon offering 3Mbps
NO, what there is is called Fair Access Policy', implemented in software. Iwhat it comes down to is you can average 22 MB every hour for ever. You start off with a 167 MB credit (more for commercial packages which cost more bucks) and can draw against that as fast as you want, but that hastens the inevitable. The credit replenishes at a rate of 22 MB per hour. So if you hop in and dump 167 MB at the 100+ Kbytes /sec rate in short order you will get FAPPED and your download rate shrinks to 4KBytes/sec. Stop and wait an hour and you could see full speed again for as much as you have replenished. Now the numbers sound small but in actual practice with 2-3 people on my network here, even my stepson downloading 'tunez' occasionally we rarely run afoul of the limit. When I want to download a big ISO, I get 140-150 MB in the morning, then the next 140-150 in the afternoon and so on using a download manager that lets me stop and cleanly restart. The FAP software treats regular violators harshly. If you make it a habit of getting FAPPED you will find the 8 hour recovery is 12 hours and for really persistent violators I have heard it gets as high as 24 hours. On the other hand in the USA we have it good, I understand the European Terms of Service for DirectWay is you get cut off when you get FAPPED, we only get throttled down. Considering that without something like this there is an element that will hog the bandwidth, its not all that bad and I have found I can live with the low end. If I need more bandwidth I will cough up the extra 30 bucks a month for double/triple what I have now. I live in Chittenden County in Vermont. The state Internet Czar is proud to tell anyone who will listen that Chittenden has 95% access to broadband ... I live in the other 5% area, which means politically we are so insignificant that the red necks communing with the moose up in the Kingdom have a better chance of seeing DSL or cable than I do. I am just happy to have what I have now, dialup was a drag! Cheers ... BBR On 9/9/04 7:52 AM, Jerry Feldman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 08 Sep 2004 23:01:27 -0400 Brian Riley (maillist) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have had Direcway bi-directional satellite since April and am fairly happy with it. Isn't there a daily download limit of 500 or 800 MB? ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
Re: Verizon offering 3Mbps
Ooppps that was $100 up front and $100/mo versus $600 upfront and $60 a month - same service, just one way is financing the equipment and installation. On 9/9/04 10:37 AM, Paul Lussier [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated: Wed, 08 Sep 2004 23:01:27 EDT Brian Riley (maillist) said: My download speeds are on the order of cable speeds and upload is slower but At least as good as most DSL. What's the latency like on that? I'm assuming with a 48K mile round-trip minimum for every packet, latency must be rather high? I paid 4100 up front and will pay $100/month for 15 months then $60/month. The alternative was $600 up front and $60 month ... Since I was paying $52 a month just for my second phone line, this price is fine by me ... What kind of service was the $600/$60 for? On pure dollar costs, that seems the cheaper way to go. Did the $4100/$100/$60 get you a higher quality of service? ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
Re: Verizon offering 3Mbps
The latency will kill you for fast twitch gaming. No question about it. All in all DSL or cable is a better deal. Satellite is really for us guys who live where the cable/phone guys don't want to spend the money on the infrastructure and the local towns don''t have the balls to stand up to them and say 'wire the whole town or wire nothing!' Cheers ... BBR On 9/9/04 11:21 AM, Kenneth E. Lussier [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 2004-09-09 at 10:37 -0400, Paul Lussier wrote: In a message dated: Wed, 08 Sep 2004 23:01:27 EDT Brian Riley (maillist) said: My download speeds are on the order of cable speeds and upload is slower but At least as good as most DSL. What's the latency like on that? I'm assuming with a 48K mile round-trip minimum for every packet, latency must be rather high? Latency has always been an issue with satellite service. Usually, they have a high latency, and one of the most notable side effects is the inability to use a VPN over satellite (just to tie this to another current thread). Another problem with some satellite ISPs is that they run NAT/PAT at the network head which interferes with VPNs, online gaming, etc. FWIW, Kenny ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
Re: Verizon offering 3Mbps
Oh yes, there are some real dirtbags on both Dish and Direct internet services ... I was lucky I found a local dealer in Milton, VT who was a real pleasure to work with. On 9/9/04 11:32 AM, Bill McGonigle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Plus the local Direcway licensees were scum, trying to get extra travel fees out of me and completely unwilling to do any work themselves (why don't you find a local installer and have him call me, then I'll get him to do it for you). ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
Re: Verizon offering 3Mbps
On Sep 9, 2004, at 14:32, Brian Riley (maillist) wrote: When I want to download a big ISO, I get 140-150 MB in the morning, then the next 140-150 in the afternoon and so on using a download manager that lets me stop and cleanly restart. You could also do: curl --limit-rate 6K -C - -O http://foo.example.com/file.iso plus or minus any additional traffic you'll be generating. -Bill Bill McGonigle, Owner Work: 603.448.4440 BFC Computing, LLC Home: 603.448.1668 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cell: 603.252.2606 http://www.bfccomputing.com/Text: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
Re: Verizon offering 3Mbps
I have had Direcway bi-directional satellite since April and am fairly happy with it. I have the DW6000 modem/router unit that feed my LinkSys WRT54G and have two Macs, a p4 running WinXP and two Linux boxes plus a Linux laptop and a Netgear Print Server on the system. Every thing seems happy with the setup. Really heavy rains generally means no service for 10-25 minutes and similar weather in Las Vegas (where the network head is) means the same. I have never seen an outage over an hour. My download speeds are on the order of cable speeds and upload is slower but At least as good as most DSL. I paid 4100 up front and will pay $100/month for 15 months then $60/month. The alternative was $600 up front and $60 month ... Since I was paying $52 a month just for my second phone line, this price is fine by me ... Cheers ... BBR ... Underhill Center, VT On 9/1/04 3:20 PM, Sharpe, Richard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Has anyone tried Satellite ? Dish or Direct-Way ? Richard A Sharpe (DBA) Sqlserver/DB2 Amherst Technologies 40 Continental Blvd Merrimack, NH 03054 PHONE ...(603) 579-6180 / (800) 431-8031 Cell phone ..(603) 320-7785 FAX ...(603) 578-1072 EMAIL [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tenemos que tener fe (We must have faith) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jeff Macdonald Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2004 2:57 PM To: Bill McGonigle Cc: GNHLUG Discussion Subject: Re: Verizon offering 3Mbps On Wed, 1 Sep 2004 14:24:07 -0400, Bill McGonigle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Today I was reading about DSL out of 'remote terminals'. I guess they can put a DSLAM in the neighborhood boxes that fiber optics land at. I believe that the 3Mbps doesn't work with the remote terminals. Got any URLs? I was wonder what that was all about. -- Jeff Macdonald Ayer, MA ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
Re: Verizon offering 3Mbps
I have been very happy with my ADSL service from MV Communications. Sure I had issues when I first got it hooked up (due to Verizon being stupid, not MV) but since then it's been great. On Tue, 31 Aug 2004, at 10:06pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.dslreports.com/shownews/53311 http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=19980609 http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=19980610 http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=19980611 ;-) ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
RE: Verizon offering 3Mbps
I wish I could get it, but not in my part of Merrimack, I would need Adelphia and I will not use them. Richard A Sharpe (DBA) Sqlserver/DB2 Amherst Technologies 40 Continental Blvd Merrimack, NH 03054 PHONE ...(603) 579-6180 / (800) 431-8031 Cell phone ..(603) 320-7785 FAX ...(603) 578-1072 EMAIL [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tenemos que tener fe (We must have faith) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jeff Macdonald Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2004 10:06 PM To: GNHLUG Subject: Verizon offering 3Mbps http://www.dslreports.com/shownews/53311 -- Jeff Macdonald Ayer, MA ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
RE: Verizon offering 3Mbps
On Wed, 1 Sep 2004, at 7:50am, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I wish I could get it, but not in my part of Merrimack, I would need Adelphia and I will not use them. I'd rather have Adelphia then dial-up. Yah, Adelphia sucks, but when it comes to ISPs, Sturgeon's Law is overly optimistic. -- Ben Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] | The opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do | | not represent the views or policy of any other person or organization. | | All information is provided without warranty of any kind. | ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
Re: Verizon offering 3Mbps
You could always find somebody with adelphia and an open access point and mooch off them. HB495 didn't get passed (passed in the house, died on the table in the senate) but it basically said that if somebody has their access point open that they did it like that on purpose. I wish I could get it, but not in my part of Merrimack, I would need Adelphia and I will not use them. Richard A Sharpe (DBA) Sqlserver/DB2 Amherst Technologies 40 Continental Blvd Merrimack, NH 03054 PHONE ...(603) 579-6180 / (800) 431-8031 Cell phone ..(603) 320-7785 FAX ...(603) 578-1072 EMAIL [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tenemos que tener fe (We must have faith) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jeff Macdonald Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2004 10:06 PM To: GNHLUG Subject: Verizon offering 3Mbps http://www.dslreports.com/shownews/53311 -- Jeff Macdonald Ayer, MA ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
Re: Verizon offering 3Mbps
I've got Adelphia due to lack of availability of DSL here (and the cable modem winds up in a swamp with a couple wireless hops to get it here) and it's mostly been good (5 minute reboot time on their DHCP server after a power outage though, I think they need a UPS). I'm 6.5 miles from the CO. Today I was reading about DSL out of 'remote terminals'. I guess they can put a DSLAM in the neighborhood boxes that fiber optics land at. So, does anybody know if Verizon has 'remote terminals' in their NH infrastructure? I've heard Speakeasy violates Sturgeon's Law. Verizon still tells me 2011 is when they'll get DSL here, via FTTH. -Bill Bill McGonigle, Owner Work: 603.448.4440 BFC Computing, LLC Home: 603.448.1668 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cell: 603.252.2606 http://www.bfccomputing.com/Text: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
Re: Verizon offering 3Mbps
On Wed, 1 Sep 2004, at 2:01pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: HB495 didn't get passed .. but it basically said that if somebody has their access point open that they did it like that on purpose. Uhh... if it didn't get passed then it does not matter *what* the bill said. A bill has precisely zero legal value until and unless it is signed into law. Obviously, you never watched School House Rock, or you would know this stuff. ;-) -- Ben Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] | The opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do | | not represent the views or policy of any other person or organization. | | All information is provided without warranty of any kind. | ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
Re: Verizon offering 3Mbps
On Wed, 1 Sep 2004 14:24:07 -0400, Bill McGonigle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Today I was reading about DSL out of 'remote terminals'. I guess they can put a DSLAM in the neighborhood boxes that fiber optics land at. I believe that the 3Mbps doesn't work with the remote terminals. Got any URLs? I was wonder what that was all about. -- Jeff Macdonald Ayer, MA ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
RE: Verizon offering 3Mbps
Has anyone tried Satellite ? Dish or Direct-Way ? Richard A Sharpe (DBA) Sqlserver/DB2 Amherst Technologies 40 Continental Blvd Merrimack, NH 03054 PHONE ...(603) 579-6180 / (800) 431-8031 Cell phone ..(603) 320-7785 FAX ...(603) 578-1072 EMAIL [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tenemos que tener fe (We must have faith) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jeff Macdonald Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2004 2:57 PM To: Bill McGonigle Cc: GNHLUG Discussion Subject: Re: Verizon offering 3Mbps On Wed, 1 Sep 2004 14:24:07 -0400, Bill McGonigle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Today I was reading about DSL out of 'remote terminals'. I guess they can put a DSLAM in the neighborhood boxes that fiber optics land at. I believe that the 3Mbps doesn't work with the remote terminals. Got any URLs? I was wonder what that was all about. -- Jeff Macdonald Ayer, MA ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
Re: Verizon offering 3Mbps
On Wed, 1 Sep 2004 15:20:10 -0400, Sharpe, Richard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Has anyone tried Satellite ? Dish or Direct-Way ? Works great, but the latency is kinda harsh.. ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
Re: Verizon offering 3Mbps
On Tue, 31 Aug 2004, at 10:06pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.dslreports.com/shownews/53311 http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=19980609 http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=19980610 http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=19980611 ;-) -- Ben Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] | The opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do | | not represent the views or policy of any other person or organization. | | All information is provided without warranty of any kind. | ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
