Re: followup on m0n0wall

2006-02-10 Thread Ted Roche

On Feb 10, 2006, at 12:30 PM, Ben Scott wrote:


  Why not?  I thought you were a consultant?  Remember the consultant
motto: If you're not part of the solution, there's good money to be
made in prolonging the problem.  ;-)



Grr. You know, it's that 90% of consultants that give the rest of us  
a bad name.




(12 years of consulting, and counting...)

Ted Roche
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Re: followup on m0n0wall

2006-02-10 Thread Ben Scott
On 2/10/06, Bill McGonigle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> ... I don't want to own the solution.

  Why not?  I thought you were a consultant?  Remember the consultant
motto: If you're not part of the solution, there's good money to be
made in prolonging the problem.  ;-)

-- Ben
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Re: followup on m0n0wall

2006-02-10 Thread Bill McGonigle

On Feb 10, 2006, at 07:30, Ben Scott wrote:


  Can you switch to a routed configuration by using CIDR subnets


unfortunately no, they have a few machines peppered at both ends of 
their netblock.



and/or NAT'ing the DMZ addresses (thereby eliminating the need to do
much, if any, IP reconfiguration)?  Remember, NAT != RFC-1918.  You
can NAT public IP space, too.  (Granted, I dunno if FreeBSD supports
NAT'ing overlapping subnets, either, but maybe...).


I'm guessing not simply because lots of people have asked how to do 
this and the BSD networking guys haven't offered that as a solution.  
Really, you can static route anything if you try hard enough, but one 
of the things that makes m0n0wall so nice is the usable GUI and they 
don't particularly encourage CLI modification.  I could make a new 
image (In theory, linux don't mount this flavor of BSD FFS and at last 
try the FreeBSD FTP site wasn't successfully offering downloads of 
their ISO's) but I want the user to be able to do his own software 
updates just by burning a new CD image from the m0n0wall site.  So if 
it's not easily reflected in the config.xml file it's hard to support.


Since my last report, it seems IPCop doesn't do it either:


optional transparent bridge
9 Nov 2001 Mark: Perhaps we can do unmasqueraded forwarding (i.e. 
static routing), perhaps only limited to DMZ's. But I don't want to 
include bridging.
09-Nov-01 esj: this is definitely a ransomware feature. It can be 
useful but only for sophisticated enterprises. On the other hand, we 
do want to do masquerading and pinholes for subnets so that you can 
have a series of red interfaces with pinholes to the DMZ. This should 
probably also be ransomware but I'm willing to be convinced otherwise.


But this wishlist is pretty far out of date and their ideas about who 
would want this are a bit skewed.  'sophisticated enterprises' know how 
to route. :)


The bugger is I can do all this really easily with a stock linux box 
but I don't want to own the solution.  I'm thinking it's time to talk 
about routing this DMZ again.


-Bill

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Re: followup on m0n0wall

2006-02-10 Thread Ben Scott
On 2/9/06, Bill McGonigle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> This client has their DMZ IP's bridged to the WAN connection, so
> their servers have real IP addresses, not NAT'ed addresses.  This
> is for historical reasons but it's so ingrained that short of their ISP
> and its netblocks going poof, it's never going to change ...

  Can you switch to a routed configuration by using CIDR subnets
and/or NAT'ing the DMZ addresses (thereby eliminating the need to do
much, if any, IP reconfiguration)?  Remember, NAT != RFC-1918.  You
can NAT public IP space, too.  (Granted, I dunno if FreeBSD supports
NAT'ing overlapping subnets, either, but maybe...).

-- Ben
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