Re: SCO sues IBM over Linux
On Mon, 2003-03-10 at 12:55, David Long wrote: > It could also be a situation like the OSF faced many years ago when Sun > was secretly funding some company (name escapes me) to sue the OSF > (can't remember the complaint either). When the lawyers demanded that > the secret source of funding be revealed (under the right to face your > accusers in court) Sun got some bad press. Apparently not much though > since I can't locate a record of this on the web. > > So maybe Microsoft is secretly funding SCO just to cause problems. > Would not surprise me at all. > > -dl At one time, MS owned a chunk of SCO. Of course with the DR-DOS lawsuit Caldera won against MS awhile ago, I can't imagine MS still owns any part of SCO. And SCO suing MS in Europe to remove the requirement to ship MS code in SCO Unix. Hmm, they've been pretty successful suing MS over the years. ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
Re: SCO sues IBM over Linux
> > This is not a strategy any business leader would willingly follow and funding > a huge lawsuit against IBM could cost them tens of millions per year. > It could also be a situation like the OSF faced many years ago when Sun was secretly funding some company (name escapes me) to sue the OSF (can't remember the complaint either). When the lawyers demanded that the secret source of funding be revealed (under the right to face your accusers in court) Sun got some bad press. Apparently not much though since I can't locate a record of this on the web. So maybe Microsoft is secretly funding SCO just to cause problems. Would not surprise me at all. -dl -- David A. Long JumpShift, LLC [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
Re: SCO sues IBM over Linux
On Mon, 10 Mar 2003, at 10:07am, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > My guess is that IBM is first on the hit list? Perhaps the deepest > pockets. Would this case (as they see it) also apply to SUN who supports > Unix/Linux as well. Anyone else on deck? HP... Red Hat... SuSE... Mandrake... Microsoft... they'll probably sue themselves soon. It's never a good sign when a company has to resort to litigation as a revenue stream. -- Ben Scott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> | The opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do | | not represent the views or policy of any other person or organization. | | All information is provided without warranty of any kind. | ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
Re: SCO sues IBM over Linux
On Mon, Mar 10, 2003 at 10:07:00AM -0500, Andrew W. Gaunt wrote: > My guess is that IBM is first on the hit list? Perhaps the deepest pockets. > Would this case (as they see it) also apply to SUN who supports Unix/Linux > as well. Anyone else on deck? > > >I see this as a half-hearted attempt to blackmail IBM to settle out of court, > >and I think that SCO underestimates IBM in this case, since an out-of-court > >settlement would do nothing for the total over-all Linux and Open Source > >community, and IBM knows that this would not be a "good thing". I don't think the reason for hitting IBM was IBM's deep pockets. Deep pockets mean that IBM can afford to pay lawyers to drag this lawsuit out for as long as Microsoft has dragged out the SUN-Java suit against Microsoft. (going on eight years? now) IBM's lawyers are probably nearly as good as Microsoft's. I suspect that SCO has another motive as other have suggested. like getting bought out. In fiscal 2002 SCO/Caldera lost 25 million dollars after taking in 64 Million. (they spent 89 Million, but only took in 64 million) With a burn rate like that they will go broke quickly unless they huge cash reserves or vaulable assets they can liquidate easily. In their most recent quarter they lost only 3 million on 15.5 million of revenue so they are slowing down the loss rate. The company's assets are reported to be worth 37 million so they can go for 12 quarters (3 years) losing 3 million/quarter. (assumes they can sell their assets at a reasonable price) This is not a strategy any business leader would willingly follow and funding a huge lawsuit against IBM could cost them tens of millions per year. Unless they have a slam dunk of UNIX code being used directly in the Linux system they can't win the lawsuit quickly. -- Jeff Kinz, Open-PC, Emergent Research, Hudson, MA. [EMAIL PROTECTED] copyright 2003. Use is restricted. Any use is an acceptance of the offer at http://www.kinz.org/policy.html. ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
Re: SCO sues IBM over Linux
My guess is that IBM is first on the hit list? Perhaps the deepest pockets. Would this case (as they see it) also apply to SUN who supports Unix/Linux as well. Anyone else on deck? I see this as a half-hearted attempt to blackmail IBM to settle out of court, and I think that SCO underestimates IBM in this case, since an out-of-court settlement would do nothing for the total over-all Linux and Open Source community, and IBM knows that this would not be a "good thing". ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
Re: SCO sues IBM over Linux
On Fri, 07 Mar 2003 21:51:19 + Jon Hall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi, > > You will probably hear about this at least 20 times today, but if you > have not heard of it yet, there is the actual papers filed at > http://www.sco.com/scosource/ Kind of reminiscent of the suit AT&T launched against BSDI (I believe) a while back. -- Jerry Feldman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Boston Linux and Unix user group http://www.blu.org PGP key id:C5061EA9 PGP Key fingerprint:053C 73EC 3AC1 5C44 3E14 9245 FB00 3ED5 C506 1EA9 pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
SCO sues IBM over Linux
Hi, You will probably hear about this at least 20 times today, but if you have not heard of it yet, there is the actual papers filed at http://www.sco.com/scosource/ In reading these papers I see more holes in their thinking than exists in Swiss Cheese, not the least of which is the fact that they don't own "Unix" (which is a trademark owned by X/Open), but what they own is a copyrighted code stream that originally came from AT&T through Novell. I see this as a half-hearted attempt to blackmail IBM to settle out of court, and I think that SCO underestimates IBM in this case, since an out-of-court settlement would do nothing for the total over-all Linux and Open Source community, and IBM knows that this would not be a "good thing". md ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
