Re: SwaNH meeting postings
On Apr 18, 2008, at 09:07, Ted Roche wrote: In this case, I think the Venn diagram of what SwaNH covers and what GNHLUG is about doesn't intersect, so we can pass. But it is not an absolute rule; when they do have meetings more techie and of interest to our members, I encourage anyone hearing of them to post info. They keep their calendar well-hidden, but having been handed a flyer tonight I managed to find it online. On September 16th: 9/16/2008 SwANH Educational Event Location: SERESC, Bedford Time: 6:00 - 9:00 PM Topic: The Best Open Source and Low-Cost Tools for the Software Business A review of the top offerings from the Open Source and Low-Cost community for the software business. The session will profile offerings in various categories of interest to the software business, such as: * Source / Version Control * Bug Tracking * Documentation Help * Project Management / Team Collaboration * Knowledge Base / Automated Support * Automated Testing * CRM * CMS * Web Conferencing / Remote Support * User Forum / Community * Office Productivity Tools (alternatives to MS Office) * Workflow and Document Management * Phone System Voicemail In addition, experts and users of the tools profiled will discuss the pros and cons of using them compared with more traditionally priced tools, and what companies considering implementing these tools should do to make that choice successful. Such as: Data Ownership, Growth Path, etc. That sounds like something worthy of our calendar, if not some form of co-sponsorship. I wonder who's presenting. -Bill - Bill McGonigle, Owner Work: 603.448.4440 BFC Computing, LLC Home: 603.448.1668 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cell: 603.252.2606 http://www.bfccomputing.com/Page: 603.442.1833 Blog: http://blog.bfccomputing.com/ VCard: http://bfccomputing.com/vcard/bill.vcf ___ gnhlug-org mailing list gnhlug-org@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-org/
501(c)(3) again (was: SwaNH meeting postings)
On Fri, Apr 18, 2008 at 12:47 PM, Ted Roche [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think GNHLUG wants to establish its own 501c3 status for several reasons, but we're trying to understand if there is an umbrella or sponsor situation we'd benefit from passing through. Legal advice is on its way... I'd say the legal advice has already arrived. We've been told several times by multiple different people that GNHLUG would likely benefit from being taken under the wing of an umbrella organization which already has 501(c)(3) status. The question has been raised as to what, if anything, we loose by entering into such a relationship, instead of trying for 501(c)(3) status on our own. I haven't seen any informed answer to that question. I'm hoping that if there were significant drawbacks, we wouldn't have people we trust recommending it. I'm currently hoping to be able to spend some quality time with volunteers from the Franklin Pierce Law Center (http://www.fplc.edu/) this summer, to get such questions answered and the actual process (whatever it may end up being) executed. Whether that happens depends on the availability and willingness of such volunteers, of course. The upcoming Board/org meeting (Tue 29 Apr, a week from this coming Tue) includes this on our agenda, although I expect the immediate action is going to be just authorization to accept the assistance and guideance of FPLC (should it be offered). -- Ben ___ gnhlug-org mailing list gnhlug-org@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-org/
Re: SwaNH meeting postings
David Marston wrote: I think that selected SwANH announcements should be forwarded to -announce, but this one didn't qualify. There is a dinner meeting on May 15, where a couple local high-tech startups will talk about how they started up, which might be suitable to post. Agreed. And there's an Open Source presentation in September that sounds very interesting... SwANH is a non-profit. As far as I know, they would be willing to shield other NH-based technology groups under their 501c3. That's certainly a possibility. I think GNHLUG wants to establish its own 501c3 status for several reasons, but we're trying to understand if there is an umbrella or sponsor situation we'd benefit from passing through. Legal advice is on its way... Note, for example, that SwANH has given free tables to GNHLUG and other groups at past software conferences. I had inquired about a free or discounted table at a recent InfoXchange (2006, iirc) and was told the regular $1000 vendor fee applied. It's not a crowd we'd especially need to convert, so I haven't bothered to ask again. -- Ted Roche Ted Roche Associates, LLC http://www.tedroche.com ___ gnhlug-org mailing list gnhlug-org@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-org/
Re: SwaNH meeting postings
On Apr 15, 2008, at 21:52, David Marston wrote: I think that selected SwANH announcements should be forwarded to -announce, but this one didn't qualify. That's a fair way of looking at it. I signed up for this event myself, on the chance that I'll learn one thing (worth more than $25). But just because we're both on this list doesn't mean we represent the list. I don't think there's a relevant list, but maybe there should be. Or, y'know, just post it on your blog, we all read that. :) -Bill - Bill McGonigle, Owner Work: 603.448.4440 BFC Computing, LLC Home: 603.448.1668 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cell: 603.252.2606 http://www.bfccomputing.com/Page: 603.442.1833 Blog: http://blog.bfccomputing.com/ VCard: http://bfccomputing.com/vcard/bill.vcf ___ gnhlug-org mailing list gnhlug-org@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-org/
Re: SwaNH meeting postings
On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 10:50 PM, Ted Roche [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does that go to -discuss or -announce? IMO: Send to -discuss, or maybe not at all. It's not Linux or FOSS or GNHLUG or particularly NH. We're not obligated to forward everything that comes to our inbox. Full Disclosure: My reaction to reading the message is something along the lines of It sounds a bunch of pointy-haired suits listening to Yet Another speaker promising to solve all their problems by following a checklist, when the real problem is that you can't fix stupid. -- Ben ___ gnhlug-org mailing list gnhlug-org@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-org/
Re: SwaNH meeting postings
I agree with Ben. If this announcement was something about FOSS then you could circulate it (and I would say to do that to announce). If we want to help a sister organization, then perhaps we can have a link to their site on our site. That way people can sign up for their announcements (and drop the sign-up) as desired. md -- Jon maddog Hall Executive Director Linux International(R) email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 80 Amherst St. Voice: +1.603.672.4557 Amherst, N.H. 03031-3032 U.S.A. WWW: http://www.li.org Board Member: Uniforum Association Board Member Emeritus: USENIX Association (2000-2006) (R)Linux is a registered trademark of Linus Torvalds in several countries. (R)Linux International is a registered trademark in the USA used pursuant to a license from Linux Mark Institute, authorized licensor of Linus Torvalds, owner of the Linux trademark on a worldwide basis (R)UNIX is a registered trademark of The Open Group in the USA and other countries. ___ gnhlug-org mailing list gnhlug-org@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-org/
Re: SwaNH meeting postings
As much as I want to help SwANH (and software development in NH in general), I have to agree with what has been stated already by Michael and Ben. On the other hand, if they are willing to sponsor GNHLUG in a substantial way, or if they actively support (versus passively support) FOSS, then I feel they can post a message to one of the lists. On the other other hand, I have been to one of their conferences and found it a good thing - at least for prospecting for local talent and suppliers. It may be worth a one paragraph note on the -discuss list for their Call for Papers or their meeting logistics. Or on the GNHLUG web site as a Other regional software organizations. --Bruce Michael Kazin wrote: I'm with Ben. Sounds like a great way for managers to take a day off, watching advertisement-laden Powerpoint slides. I'm terribly against allowing advertising on mailing lists. I don't see anything on their website which tells whether they are for-profit or not, and assume they are. I'm glad to help other non-profits and we can certainly partner with corporations who are truly part of the FOSS community. But I think we can't become a tool for corporations who want to capitalize on our reputation and good-will. My view is: if the source of the email generates money, we're sorry. If a member is sharing something they are actually interested in, it's certainly appropriate. Exceptions for promotions which we believe are LUG-related, of interest to members and will actually contain substance. For example, a distro rep demoing (not just a slideshow) an upgrade to a major version, when we are actually in need of presenters. Michael On Tue, Apr 15, 2008 at 8:21 AM, Ben Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 10:50 PM, Ted Roche [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does that go to -discuss or -announce? IMO: Send to -discuss, or maybe not at all. It's not Linux or FOSS or GNHLUG or particularly NH. We're not obligated to forward everything that comes to our inbox. Full Disclosure: My reaction to reading the message is something along the lines of It sounds a bunch of pointy-haired suits listening to Yet Another speaker promising to solve all their problems by following a checklist, when the real problem is that you can't fix stupid. -- Ben ___ gnhlug-org mailing list gnhlug-org@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-org/ ___ gnhlug-org mailing list gnhlug-org@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-org/ ___ gnhlug-org mailing list gnhlug-org@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-org/
Re: SwaNH meeting postings
I think that selected SwANH announcements should be forwarded to -announce, but this one didn't qualify. There is a dinner meeting on May 15, where a couple local high-tech startups will talk about how they started up, which might be suitable to post. SwANH is a non-profit. As far as I know, they would be willing to shield other NH-based technology groups under their 501c3. I was on the committee that originally got SwANH organized, so I can say for sure that the original plan was for it to be an umbrella organization. Note, for example, that SwANH has given free tables to GNHLUG and other groups at past software conferences. .David Marston at MV On Tue, 15 Apr 2008, Bruce Dawson wrote: ... On the other hand, if they are willing to sponsor GNHLUG in a substantial way, or if they actively support (versus passively support) FOSS, then I feel they can post a message to one of the lists. ... Michael Kazin wrote: ...I don't see anything on their website which tells whether they are for-profit or not, and assume they are. I'm glad to help other non-profits... ___ gnhlug-org mailing list gnhlug-org@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-org/
