Re: [Gnoga-list] Native Gtk Apps now with Gnoga

[Jeremiah Breeden]

This is a bit late, so I apologize, but I wanted to check:

I am not familiar with GTK's inner workings, but it does mention having
trouble with threads in Windows and suggests keeping all Gui interactions
in a single thread.  Will that be an issue with the Gnoga in GTK
configuration since each event can be spawned in a different task/thread?
This might be a silly question, but was curious.

On Sun, Dec 14, 2014 at 5:05 PM, Rabbi David Botton 
wrote:

> I have added support for native Gtk Apps now with Gnoga :)
>
> Directions:
>
> Make sure you have installed WebKit2Gtk and Gtk-3.0
>
> sudo apt-get install libwebkit2gtk-3.0-dev
> sudo apt-get install libgtk-3-dev
>
> Create the native support in Gnoga:
>
> make native_gtk
>
> 1. Create a singleton app as usual
>
> 2. Initialize the the Gtk front end:
>
>Gnoga.Application.Gtk_Window.Initialize (Port   => 8080,
> Width  => 800,
> Height => 600);
>
> 3. Start your application with Verbose set to False to avoid seeing start
> up information:
>
>Gnoga.Application.Singleton.Initialize (Main_Window => M, Verbose =>
> False);
>
> Build your app as usual and it will now use the Gtk front end.
>
> David Botton
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Re: [Gnoga-list] Gnoga Chat Demo from Jeff Carter

[Jeffrey R. Carter]

On 01/09/2015 10:58 AM, Rabbi David Botton wrote:
> Try now. It looks like something crashed and I restarted. I'll look at the log
> in a bit.

Much improved. I can now access it from Firefox.

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Re: [Gnoga-list] Gnoga Chat Demo from Jeff Carter

[Rabbi David Botton]

Try now. It looks like something crashed and I restarted. I'll look at the
log in a bit.

David Botton


On Fri, Jan 9, 2015 at 12:36 PM, Jeffrey R. Carter  wrote:

> On 01/09/2015 09:11 AM, Rabbi David Botton wrote:
> > I put up a new demo from Jeff Carter (and it is also in git at
> demo/chattanooga)
> > on the Gnoga website, a chat app. I put it under https (although
> certificate is
> > a test one) at:
> >
> > https://chat.gnoga.com
> >
> > when I can I'll be there with my e-mail da...@botton.com  da...@botton.com>
>
> I can connect, but then nothing seems to be working except Help. Add
> doesn't add
> the address to the list, Send doesn't display the message in the messaging
> box,
> and Disconnect doesn't disconnect me. I can't test Remove because I can't
> get
> anything in the list to test it on.
>
> That's with Opera; Firefox and Chromium just give a blank page.
>
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Re: [Gnoga-list] Gnoga Chat Demo from Jeff Carter

[Jeffrey R. Carter]

On 01/09/2015 09:11 AM, Rabbi David Botton wrote:
> I put up a new demo from Jeff Carter (and it is also in git at 
> demo/chattanooga)
> on the Gnoga website, a chat app. I put it under https (although certificate 
> is
> a test one) at:
> 
> https://chat.gnoga.com
> 
> when I can I'll be there with my e-mail da...@botton.com 
> 

I can connect, but then nothing seems to be working except Help. Add doesn't add
the address to the list, Send doesn't display the message in the messaging box,
and Disconnect doesn't disconnect me. I can't test Remove because I can't get
anything in the list to test it on.

That's with Opera; Firefox and Chromium just give a blank page.

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Re: [Gnoga-list] Need some tips on "how" to layout elements.

[Jeffrey R. Carter]

On 01/09/2015 04:28 AM, Rabbi David Botton wrote:
> I'll try my best to fully answer today, worst case by Sunday evening. I really
> need to make tutorials just on layouts for sure and to spend time on more
> methods to simplify it in the big picture.

Yes, getting things to appear as desired is a challenge. There seems to be some
arcane knowledge involved that isn't documented (yet). One thing I've noticed is
that Bottom_Dock makes things disappear.

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[Gnoga-list] Gnoga Chat Demo from Jeff Carter

[Rabbi David Botton]

I put up a new demo from Jeff Carter (and it is also in git at
demo/chattanooga) on the Gnoga website, a chat app. I put it under https
(although certificate is a test one) at:

https://chat.gnoga.com

when I can I'll be there with my e-mail da...@botton.com

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Re: [Gnoga-list] Need some tips on "how" to layout elements.

[Rabbi David Botton]

I will work on that soon. I've been swamped with office work from end/start
of year on top of regular work, next week should be back to normal.

So I've just been using the free brain cycles to decide on how to do v1 of
the GUI builder (I've got that worked out I believe) and the bit of
development time I've had on finishing up working out all the needed parser
code (at least the rough stuff) for Gnoga_Doc, now working on getting the
parse in to a database (which docs can be generated from, etc.) and fully
qualified names. That parsing will be important for the IDE to do auto
completion and contextual help, etc.

One reason I have not done too much about layouts yet, even though I think
that is fundamentally important is that depending on the approach of the
GUI builder the needed documentation and techniques change.

David Botton


I really like to see a multi-app sample
> with
> * some master/slave data
> * using several tabs with different master/slave data
>
> In my case i'd like to visualise
>
> a horse race
>   many runners
>
> or
>
> a pick-route
>   many picklines
>
> or
>
> an order
>   many order-rows
>
> a shipment
>   many consignments
>
> or 
>
>
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Re: [Gnoga-list] Need some tips on "how" to layout elements.

[Rabbi David Botton]

>
> In the tutorial, 'view' is a _part of_ 'App'
> but in the generated code 'view' _is_ 'App'
>

In the generated code and the user_guide I show an approach of how each
view is in itself a self contained unit and no App_Data is required.  That
makes Views reusable units, their intent.

In the multi_connect example I could have used App_Data to allow the View
to reach data instead of giving it an interface back to the controller, but
again I think that reduces reusability and encourages almost a "global"
variable style of programming.

For the tutorials I wanted single procedures to demo specific functionality
and so even made way too much use of Unrestricted_Access...

As the user_guide expands and/or there are other straightforward ways to
relate use of various parts of Gnoga I foresee getting rid of those
tutorials or replacing.

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Re: [Gnoga-list] Any Gnogians going to FOSDEM?

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On 2015-01-09 15:39, Rabbi David Botton wrote:
> Here, it's taken from its context, which of course may change very
> much of its meaning.
> 
> 
> I assumed that, its meaning, culture and its context completely
> lost in google, I was actually making fun of the google
> translation"
> 
> <>
> 
> It sounded like something to do with becoming transgendered :)

:-)


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Re: [Gnoga-list] Need some tips on "how" to layout elements.

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On 2015-01-09 12:28, Rabbi David Botton wrote:
> I really need to make tutorials just on layouts for sure and to
> spend time on more methods to simplify it in the big picture.
> 

Yes. I looked at the multi-connection one,
and compared it to the skeleton the
"gnoga_make new multi myproject" does
and I got somewhat confused of different meanings
of 'view'

In the tutorial, 'view' is a _part of_ 'App'
but in the generated code 'view' _is_ 'App'

It confuses me a lot (yes - simple mind)

I really like to see a multi-app sample
with
* some master/slave data
* using several tabs with different master/slave data

In my case i'd like to visualise

a horse race
  many runners

or

a pick-route
  many picklines

or

an order
  many order-rows

a shipment
  many consignments

or 




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Re: [Gnoga-list] Any Gnogians going to FOSDEM?

[Rabbi David Botton]

>
> Here, it's taken from its context, which of course
> may change very much of its meaning.
>
>
I assumed that, its meaning, culture and its context completely lost in
google, I was actually making fun of the google translation"

<>

It sounded like something to do with becoming transgendered :)

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Re: [Gnoga-list] Any Gnogians going to FOSDEM?

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On 2015-01-09 12:37, Rabbi David Botton wrote:
> From google translate:
> 
> < are particularly chivalrous, I would think, more on that we do not
> want to damage valuable workforce.>>
> 
> things that may you go hmmm
> 
> David Botton

Well google does not get everything right.

But in out family, we simply do not _hit_ women.
It's not because we are particularly chivalrous,
I would think, it's more that we do not want to
damage valuable workforce.

Anyway, I was just surprised to see such a quote.
Here, it's taken from its context, which of course
may change very much of its meaning.


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Re: [Gnoga-list] Any Gnogians going to FOSDEM?

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Rabbi David Botton 
writes:

> From google translate:
>
> < particularly chivalrous, I would think, more on that we do not want to damage
> valuable workforce.>>
>
> things that may you go hmmm

It is from a Swedish book I got from the Italian translator.  I would
have to check my bookshelves to figure out which of the books she
translated it is (definitely not one by Jan Guillou, though).

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Re: [Gnoga-list] Any Gnogians going to FOSDEM?

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>From google translate:

<>

things that may you go hmmm

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Re: [Gnoga-list] Any Gnogians going to FOSDEM?

[Rabbi David Botton]

I think when IDE and GUI builder are 1.0 we should have a workshop and
party here in FL :)

David Botton

On Fri, Jan 9, 2015 at 5:54 AM, Rabbi David Botton  wrote:

> I can't make it, so looking for someone that is and has used gnoga to talk
> a bit about it and or present a video I send.
>
> David Botton
> On Jan 9, 2015 5:47 AM, "tony gair"  wrote:
>
>> ooh are we talking fosdem in brussels? Now I know I would like to! Whats
>> the hotel cost like ? how much is the conference?
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Jan 9, 2015 at 9:12 AM, Jacob Sparre Andersen <
>> ja...@jacob-sparre.dk> wrote:
>>
>>> David Botton wrote:
>>>
>>> > Is anyone heading to FOSDEM?
>>>
>>> I'll be there.  (But I'm not sure I count, as I haven't written anything
>>> using Gnoga yet.)
>>>
>>> Greetings,
>>>
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Re: [Gnoga-list] Any Gnogians going to FOSDEM?

[Jacob Sparre Andersen]

Tony Gair wrote:

> ooh are we talking fosdem in brussels? Now I know I would like to!
> Whats the hotel cost like ? how much is the conference?

The conference is free.

I'm not sure about hotel costs, as I stay with a friend, but it is
probably 50-100 EUR/night.

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Re: [Gnoga-list] Need some tips on "how" to layout elements.

[Rabbi David Botton]

I'll try my best to fully answer today, worst case by Sunday evening. I
really need to make tutorials just on layouts for sure and to spend time on
more methods to simplify it in the big picture.

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On Fri, Jan 9, 2015 at 1:11 AM, Jeremiah Breeden  wrote:

> I've been trying different layouts using Gnoga, but have had trouble
> actually getting things to display they way I want.
>
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Re: [Gnoga-list] Need some tips on "how" to layout elements.

[tony gair]

I await this drooling

On Fri, Jan 9, 2015 at 11:16 AM, Björn Lundin  wrote:

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> On 2015-01-09 07:11, Jeremiah Breeden wrote:
> > I've been trying different layouts using Gnoga, but have had
> > trouble actually getting things to display they way I want.
>
>
> On CLA, I asked about upping the prio for a gnoga-gui-builder,
> and David replied:
>
> > Since I see a GUI builder of worth being one that is Delphi like,
> sort >of need both in parallel.
> > With Gnoga you can already use any HTML development tool as a GUI
> > builder. Just add boot.js to the html from gnoga/js Then either
> > hand code the needed objects: Some_Button.Attach_With_Parent
> > (Window, ID => "anyid"); or use Gnoga.Client.Bind_Page.Bind_Page
> > (View). and can then access them using Main_View.Element (Name =>
> > "anyid");
>
>
> It might be of use for you ?
>
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Re: [Gnoga-list] Need some tips on "how" to layout elements.

[Björn Lundin]

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On 2015-01-09 07:11, Jeremiah Breeden wrote:
> I've been trying different layouts using Gnoga, but have had
> trouble actually getting things to display they way I want.


On CLA, I asked about upping the prio for a gnoga-gui-builder,
and David replied:

> Since I see a GUI builder of worth being one that is Delphi like,
sort >of need both in parallel.
> With Gnoga you can already use any HTML development tool as a GUI 
> builder. Just add boot.js to the html from gnoga/js Then either
> hand code the needed objects: Some_Button.Attach_With_Parent
> (Window, ID => "anyid"); or use Gnoga.Client.Bind_Page.Bind_Page
> (View). and can then access them using Main_View.Element (Name =>
> "anyid");


It might be of use for you ?


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Re: [Gnoga-list] Any Gnogians going to FOSDEM?

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On 2015-01-09 10:12, Jacob Sparre Andersen wrote:
> »Men i vår släkt slår vi helt enkelt inte fruntimmer. Det beror
> inte på att vi är särskilt ridderliga skulle jag tro, mera på att
> vi inte vill skada värdefull arbetskraft.«

And this _really_ makes me wonder about your quote-machine ... ;-)


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Re: [Gnoga-list] Any Gnogians going to FOSDEM?

[Rabbi David Botton]

I can't make it, so looking for someone that is and has used gnoga to talk
a bit about it and or present a video I send.

David Botton
On Jan 9, 2015 5:47 AM, "tony gair"  wrote:

> ooh are we talking fosdem in brussels? Now I know I would like to! Whats
> the hotel cost like ? how much is the conference?
>
>
> On Fri, Jan 9, 2015 at 9:12 AM, Jacob Sparre Andersen <
> ja...@jacob-sparre.dk> wrote:
>
>> David Botton wrote:
>>
>> > Is anyone heading to FOSDEM?
>>
>> I'll be there.  (But I'm not sure I count, as I haven't written anything
>> using Gnoga yet.)
>>
>> Greetings,
>>
>> Jacob
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Re: [Gnoga-list] Any Gnogians going to FOSDEM?

[tony gair]

ooh are we talking fosdem in brussels? Now I know I would like to! Whats
the hotel cost like ? how much is the conference?


On Fri, Jan 9, 2015 at 9:12 AM, Jacob Sparre Andersen  wrote:

> David Botton wrote:
>
> > Is anyone heading to FOSDEM?
>
> I'll be there.  (But I'm not sure I count, as I haven't written anything
> using Gnoga yet.)
>
> Greetings,
>
> Jacob
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Re: [Gnoga-list] Any Gnogians going to FOSDEM?

[Jacob Sparre Andersen]

David Botton wrote:

> Is anyone heading to FOSDEM?

I'll be there.  (But I'm not sure I count, as I haven't written anything
using Gnoga yet.)

Greetings,

Jacob
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