Re: Fwd: major libgweather Locations updates

2008-08-23 Thread Kenneth Nielsen
2008/8/21 Kenneth Nielsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

> 2008/8/21 Andre Klapper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
>> Am Donnerstag, den 21.08.2008, 00:48 +0200 schrieb Kenneth Nielsen:
>> > Yes, well I also got the idea that we sort of agreed on something
>> > here, the only thing is that it is still in the statistics under gnome
>> > 2.24, which it shouldn't be if we all agreed on your proposal.
>>
>> Err... I think I never proposed to remove it from the stats, just to
>> avoid misunderstandings or false impressions. :-)
>
>
> No Dan proposed that.
>
> We also agreed that it might make sense to remove libgweather (at least
> the po-locations part) from the translation statistics, for exactly that
> reason; it's not like with ordinary UI strings, where any user in any
> language is equally likely to encounter any string.
>
> Could we have it removed from the gnome 2.24 stats please?
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Re: Fwd: major libgweather Locations updates

2008-08-20 Thread Kenneth Nielsen
2008/8/21 Andre Klapper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

> Am Donnerstag, den 21.08.2008, 00:48 +0200 schrieb Kenneth Nielsen:
> > Yes, well I also got the idea that we sort of agreed on something
> > here, the only thing is that it is still in the statistics under gnome
> > 2.24, which it shouldn't be if we all agreed on your proposal.
>
> Err... I think I never proposed to remove it from the stats, just to
> avoid misunderstandings or false impressions. :-)


No Dan proposed that.

We also agreed that it might make sense to remove libgweather (at least
the po-locations part) from the translation statistics, for exactly that
reason; it's not like with ordinary UI strings, where any user in any
language is equally likely to encounter any string.
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Re: Fwd: major libgweather Locations updates

2008-08-20 Thread Andre Klapper
Am Donnerstag, den 21.08.2008, 00:48 +0200 schrieb Kenneth Nielsen:
> Yes, well I also got the idea that we sort of agreed on something
> here, the only thing is that it is still in the statistics under gnome
> 2.24, which it shouldn't be if we all agreed on your proposal.

Err... I think I never proposed to remove it from the stats, just to
avoid misunderstandings or false impressions. :-)

andre

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Re: Fwd: major libgweather Locations updates

2008-08-20 Thread Kenneth Nielsen
2008/8/20 Andre Klapper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

> Dan Winship píše v St 20. 08. 2008 v 15:44 -0400:
> > Kenneth Nielsen wrote:
> > > On another note, seeing the size of this change makes me wonder. It
> must
> > > have taken an immence development effort to complete this update,
> > > We need to come to some agreement on this soon
> >
> > Most of the translators have not participated in this thread, so I don't
> > have a sense if this is "a few translators want the changes reverted" or
> > "most of the translators want the changes reverted". I guess if it's the
> > latter then maybe that's a different story.
>
> I prefer to keep the changes. They are required for e.g. type-ahead
> choosing the location in the clock applet, and it's not strings that you
> will deal with everyday.
> A trade-off, but I rate the advantages higher.
>
> Yes, we will likely have another huge debate on the translation
> statistics and teams complaining about not reaching 100%... I'm not
> looking forward to it.


Yes, well I also got the idea that we sort of agreed on something here, the
only thing is that it is still in the statistics under gnome 2.24, which it
shouldn't be if we all agreed on your proposal.
Regards Kenneth Nielsen
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Re: Fwd: major libgweather Locations updates

2008-08-20 Thread Andre Klapper
Dan Winship píše v St 20. 08. 2008 v 15:44 -0400:
> Kenneth Nielsen wrote:
> > On another note, seeing the size of this change makes me wonder. It must
> > have taken an immence development effort to complete this update,
> > We need to come to some agreement on this soon
> 
> Most of the translators have not participated in this thread, so I don't
> have a sense if this is "a few translators want the changes reverted" or
> "most of the translators want the changes reverted". I guess if it's the
> latter then maybe that's a different story.

I prefer to keep the changes. They are required for e.g. type-ahead
choosing the location in the clock applet, and it's not strings that you
will deal with everyday.
A trade-off, but I rate the advantages higher.

Yes, we will likely have another huge debate on the translation
statistics and teams complaining about not reaching 100%... I'm not
looking forward to it.

andre
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Re: Fwd: major libgweather Locations updates

2008-08-20 Thread Dan Winship
Kenneth Nielsen wrote:
> On another note, seeing the size of this change makes me wonder. It must
> have taken an immence development effort to complete this update,
> streching over quite some time, would it really have been so difficult
> to warn us back when you began and then to commit every once in a while
> so we could have had more time with some of the strings?

I thought it was going to be committed sooner, relative to the freezes,
but then the freezes ended up being a lot sooner than I had been thinking.

As for committing every once in a while, that wouldn't have helped; the
earlier stages diverged from 2.22 even more. Most of the work involved
was getting the new Locations.xml.in to be *more* like the old
Locations.xml.in, except in the places where the old Locations.xml.in
sucked.

> We need to come to some agreement on this soon

Sorry, I'd been under the impression that we already *had* come to an
agreement (after no one responded to my last message).

Most of the translators have not participated in this thread, so I don't
have a sense if this is "a few translators want the changes reverted" or
"most of the translators want the changes reverted". I guess if it's the
latter then maybe that's a different story.

-- Dan
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