Question about committer versus coordinator

2012-10-03 Thread Chris Leonard 
So what happens when a team has a coordinator, but not a committer (like Khmer)?

The Coordinator has marked a number of PO files for commit in vertimus,

http://l10n.gnome.org/languages/km/all/ui/

If a team does not have a committer, will someone else commit those on
the Coordinator's request or does each team require a committer?

Thanks for helping me learn more about how things work in the vertimus workfow.

cjl
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Re: Question about committer versus coordinator

2012-10-03 Thread Alexandre Franke 
On Wed, Oct 3, 2012 at 10:44 AM, Chris Leonard cjlhomeaddr...@gmail.com wrote:
 So what happens when a team has a coordinator, but not a committer (like 
 Khmer)?

 The Coordinator has marked a number of PO files for commit in vertimus,

 http://l10n.gnome.org/languages/km/all/ui/

 If a team does not have a committer, will someone else commit those on
 the Coordinator's request or does each team require a committer?

 Thanks for helping me learn more about how things work in the vertimus 
 workfow.

Then the coordinator will have to do the commits himself. The commiter
role is only there to have trusted people that can assist the
coordinator, not to add an administrative level.

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Re: Question about committer versus coordinator

2012-10-03 Thread Bruno Brouard 

Le 03/10/2012 10:44, Chris Leonard a écrit :

So what happens when a team has a coordinator, but not a committer (like Khmer)?

The Coordinator has marked a number of PO files for commit in vertimus,

http://l10n.gnome.org/languages/km/all/ui/

If a team does not have a committer, will someone else commit those on
the Coordinator's request or does each team require a committer?

Just ask on this list for help for the commit and someone will do the job.
But please, join links to the modules marked as ready for commit

Bruno

Thanks for helping me learn more about how things work in the vertimus workfow.

cjl
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Re: Question about committer versus coordinator

2012-10-03 Thread Chris Leonard 
On Wed, Oct 3, 2012 at 6:19 AM, Bruno Brouard anno...@gmail.com wrote:
 Le 03/10/2012 10:44, Chris Leonard a écrit :

 So what happens when a team has a coordinator, but not a committer (like
 Khmer)?

 The Coordinator has marked a number of PO files for commit in vertimus,

 http://l10n.gnome.org/languages/km/all/ui/

 If a team does not have a committer, will someone else commit those on
 the Coordinator's request or does each team require a committer?

 Just ask on this list for help for the commit and someone will do the job.
 But please, join links to the modules marked as ready for commit

 Bruno

Bruno,

Thanks.  The Coordinator has applied for a commit account, in the
meantime, if someone could commit the following which are flagged as
ready to commit that would be great.


http://l10n.gnome.org/vertimus/PolicyKit-gnome/master/po/km

http://l10n.gnome.org/vertimus/empathy/master/po/km

http://l10n.gnome.org/vertimus/eog/master/po/km

http://l10n.gnome.org/vertimus/evince/master/po/km

http://l10n.gnome.org/vertimus/gedit/master/po/km

http://l10n.gnome.org/vertimus/gimp/master/po-tags/km

http://l10n.gnome.org/vertimus/gnome-bluetooth/master/po/km

http://l10n.gnome.org/vertimus/gnome-control-center/master/po/km

http://l10n.gnome.org/vertimus/gnome-disk-utility/master/po/km

http://l10n.gnome.org/vertimus/gnome-games/master/po/km

http://l10n.gnome.org/vertimus/gnome-media/master/po/km

http://l10n.gnome.org/vertimus/gnome-nettool/master/po/km

http://l10n.gnome.org/vertimus/gnome-power-manager/master/po/km

http://l10n.gnome.org/vertimus/gnome-screensaver/master/po/km

http://l10n.gnome.org/vertimus/gnome-session/master/po/km

http://l10n.gnome.org/vertimus/gnome-settings-daemon/master/po/km

http://l10n.gnome.org/vertimus/gnome-system-monitor/master/po/km

http://l10n.gnome.org/vertimus/gnome-terminal/master/po/km

http://l10n.gnome.org/vertimus/gnome-user-share/master/po/km

http://l10n.gnome.org/vertimus/gnome-vfs/master/po/km

http://l10n.gnome.org/vertimus/gtk+/master/po-properties/km

http://l10n.gnome.org/vertimus/gtk+/master/po/km

http://l10n.gnome.org/vertimus/libbonobo/master/po/km

http://l10n.gnome.org/vertimus/libbonoboui/master/po/km

http://l10n.gnome.org/vertimus/libgnomekbd/master/po/km

http://l10n.gnome.org/vertimus/libgnomeui/master/po/km

http://l10n.gnome.org/vertimus/libwnck/master/po/km

http://l10n.gnome.org/vertimus/nautilus-sendto/master/po/km

http://l10n.gnome.org/vertimus/network-manager-applet/master/po/km

http://l10n.gnome.org/vertimus/packagekit/master/po/km

http://l10n.gnome.org/vertimus/totem/master/po/km

http://l10n.gnome.org/vertimus/vino/master/po/km

http://l10n.gnome.org/vertimus/xdg-user-dirs/master/po/km

http://l10n.gnome.org/vertimus/yelp/master/po/km

http://l10n.gnome.org/vertimus/yelp-xsl/master/po/km
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Re: Question about committer versus coordinator

2012-10-03 Thread Gil Forcada 
El dc 03 de 10 de 2012 a les 12:19 +0200, en/na Bruno Brouard va
escriure:
 Le 03/10/2012 10:44, Chris Leonard a écrit :
  So what happens when a team has a coordinator, but not a committer (like 
  Khmer)?
 
  The Coordinator has marked a number of PO files for commit in vertimus,
 
  http://l10n.gnome.org/languages/km/all/ui/
 
  If a team does not have a committer, will someone else commit those on
  the Coordinator's request or does each team require a committer?
 Just ask on this list for help for the commit and someone will do the job.
 But please, join links to the modules marked as ready for commit

+1 That's what I think about it:
- Coordinator is the one that approves translations to be pushed to git
- Only coordinator and any committer are the ones that should be able to
push to git
- In case of no coordinator git access and no committer, the
coordinator, and only him/herself should be the one sending batch mails
with translations ready to push

I put emphasis on this last one because if a random translator for a
random language send translations to push, I don't know the status of
that translation, if is good enough, if has bad wordings, etc etc.
That's why we have coordinators.

And that's the main reason that I think of a coordinator not as a
emeritus status but as someone that is there 90% of the time. If you
are not able to coordinate your translation community and be sure that
translations, when ready, are pushed to git, that coordinator should
start looking for a replacement.

At the end of the day, a translation not pushed is time wasted because
users will not see it. A coordinator has to make sure that everything
goes as smoothly as possible ;)

Cheers,

 Bruno
  Thanks for helping me learn more about how things work in the vertimus 
  workfow.
 
  cjl

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Re: Question about committer versus coordinator

2012-10-03 Thread Chris Leonard 
On Wed, Oct 3, 2012 at 7:10 AM, Gil Forcada gforc...@gnome.org wrote:
 El dc 03 de 10 de 2012 a les 12:19 +0200, en/na Bruno Brouard va
 escriure:
 Le 03/10/2012 10:44, Chris Leonard a écrit :
  So what happens when a team has a coordinator, but not a committer (like 
  Khmer)?
 
  The Coordinator has marked a number of PO files for commit in vertimus,
 
  http://l10n.gnome.org/languages/km/all/ui/
 
  If a team does not have a committer, will someone else commit those on
  the Coordinator's request or does each team require a committer?
 Just ask on this list for help for the commit and someone will do the job.
 But please, join links to the modules marked as ready for commit

 +1 That's what I think about it:
 - Coordinator is the one that approves translations to be pushed to git
 - Only coordinator and any committer are the ones that should be able to
 push to git
 - In case of no coordinator git access and no committer, the
 coordinator, and only him/herself should be the one sending batch mails
 with translations ready to push

I don't disagree, however in this case, I was giving notification of
PO files that the coordinator had manually flagged for commit.


 I put emphasis on this last one because if a random translator for a
 random language send translations to push, I don't know the status of
 that translation, if is good enough, if has bad wordings, etc etc.
 That's why we have coordinators.

 And that's the main reason that I think of a coordinator not as a
 emeritus status but as someone that is there 90% of the time. If you
 are not able to coordinate your translation community and be sure that
 translations, when ready, are pushed to git, that coordinator should
 start looking for a replacement.

As a general principle. I agree.  The sad reality is tha there are any
number of low coverage languages that simply do not have the sort of
internet presence to sustain that standard, but they are no less
worthy of following a slower course to increasing coverage.  I many
cases there may be only one or two individuals working on their
language across a wide swath of FOSS projects and they may not have
the bandwidth to dedicate constant attention only to a single project,
no matter how important it may be.  In such circumstances I think
allowances must be made for long latency and some administrative
assistance form the 18n leadership.

Those opinions have largely been formed over the past several years in
the process of nurturing and mentoring under-represented languages on
the Sugar Labs Pootle instance.

cjl
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Re: Question about committer versus coordinator

2012-10-03 Thread Gil Forcada 
El dc 03 de 10 de 2012 a les 06:45 -0400, en/na Chris Leonard va
escriure:
 On Wed, Oct 3, 2012 at 6:19 AM, Bruno Brouard anno...@gmail.com wrote:
  Le 03/10/2012 10:44, Chris Leonard a écrit :
 
  So what happens when a team has a coordinator, but not a committer (like
  Khmer)?
 
  The Coordinator has marked a number of PO files for commit in vertimus,
 
  http://l10n.gnome.org/languages/km/all/ui/
 
  If a team does not have a committer, will someone else commit those on
  the Coordinator's request or does each team require a committer?
 
  Just ask on this list for help for the commit and someone will do the job.
  But please, join links to the modules marked as ready for commit
 
  Bruno
 
 Bruno,
 
 Thanks.  The Coordinator has applied for a commit account, in the
 meantime, if someone could commit the following which are flagged as
 ready to commit that would be great.
 
 
 http://l10n.gnome.org/vertimus/PolicyKit-gnome/master/po/km
 
 http://l10n.gnome.org/vertimus/empathy/master/po/km
 
 http://l10n.gnome.org/vertimus/eog/master/po/km
 
 http://l10n.gnome.org/vertimus/evince/master/po/km
 
 http://l10n.gnome.org/vertimus/gedit/master/po/km
 
 http://l10n.gnome.org/vertimus/gimp/master/po-tags/km
 
 http://l10n.gnome.org/vertimus/gnome-bluetooth/master/po/km
 
 http://l10n.gnome.org/vertimus/gnome-control-center/master/po/km
 
 http://l10n.gnome.org/vertimus/gnome-disk-utility/master/po/km
 
 http://l10n.gnome.org/vertimus/gnome-games/master/po/km
 
 http://l10n.gnome.org/vertimus/gnome-media/master/po/km
 
 http://l10n.gnome.org/vertimus/gnome-nettool/master/po/km
 
 http://l10n.gnome.org/vertimus/gnome-power-manager/master/po/km
 
 http://l10n.gnome.org/vertimus/gnome-screensaver/master/po/km
 
 http://l10n.gnome.org/vertimus/gnome-session/master/po/km
 
 http://l10n.gnome.org/vertimus/gnome-settings-daemon/master/po/km
 
 http://l10n.gnome.org/vertimus/gnome-system-monitor/master/po/km
 
 http://l10n.gnome.org/vertimus/gnome-terminal/master/po/km
 
 http://l10n.gnome.org/vertimus/gnome-user-share/master/po/km
 
 http://l10n.gnome.org/vertimus/gnome-vfs/master/po/km
 
 http://l10n.gnome.org/vertimus/gtk+/master/po-properties/km
 
 http://l10n.gnome.org/vertimus/gtk+/master/po/km
 
 http://l10n.gnome.org/vertimus/libbonobo/master/po/km
 
 http://l10n.gnome.org/vertimus/libbonoboui/master/po/km
 
 http://l10n.gnome.org/vertimus/libgnomekbd/master/po/km
 
 http://l10n.gnome.org/vertimus/libgnomeui/master/po/km
 
 http://l10n.gnome.org/vertimus/libwnck/master/po/km
 
 http://l10n.gnome.org/vertimus/nautilus-sendto/master/po/km
 
 http://l10n.gnome.org/vertimus/network-manager-applet/master/po/km
 
 http://l10n.gnome.org/vertimus/packagekit/master/po/km
 
 http://l10n.gnome.org/vertimus/totem/master/po/km
 
 http://l10n.gnome.org/vertimus/vino/master/po/km
 
 http://l10n.gnome.org/vertimus/xdg-user-dirs/master/po/km
 
 http://l10n.gnome.org/vertimus/yelp/master/po/km
 
 http://l10n.gnome.org/vertimus/yelp-xsl/master/po/km

I think that apart from xdg-user-dirs and packagekit (both external
platforms), everything is pushed.

Amazing work! from ~20% to +50%!!

Cheers,
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