Re: Technical feasibility to translate a project on Github

[Zander Brown]

On Wed, 2020-10-14 at 12:07 +0200, Daniel Mustieles García via gnome-i18n
wrote:
> Problem solved ;-)
> 
> I also didn't check that section.

I assumed everyone knew about that already, was a bit confused that half the
comments here seem to
propose doing what we are already doing

Personally I'd like to see this integration improved beyond a simple link -
even if it's generating {M,P}Rs
instead of committing directly as the various xdg modules often have user
facing strings but are generally
untranslated. They may not be GNOME projects but things like malcontent or
fwupd do provide strings
used by the likes of gnome-software so are part of the "GNOME experience"

Zander


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Re: Technical feasibility to translate a project on Github

[Daniel Mustieles García via gnome-i18n]

Problem solved ;-)

I also didn't check that section.

Thanks!

El mié., 14 oct. 2020 a las 10:54, Thibault Martin ()
escribió:

> Oh right, I didn’t check that scary freedesktop section! Thanks a lot
> Piotr :)
>
> Le mar. 13 oct. 2020 à 17:12, Piotr Drąg  a écrit :
>
> wt., 13 paź 2020 o 15:45 Alexandre Franke  > napisał(a):
>
> I think you are omitting a possible scenario. We can have it on Damned
> lies and not take responsibility for it, like we do for the Freedesktop
> modules. You don’t need to have teams on board to do that: the i18n
> coordinators just have to decide that it is part of our extended platform,
> like Freedesktop is, and we can add it immediately so we see its status
> alongside the rest of the platform.
>
> https://l10n.gnome.org/module/flatpak/ has been here for years. :) Best,
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Re: Technical feasibility to translate a project on Github

[Thibault Martin]

Oh right, I didn’t check that scary freedesktop section! Thanks a lot 
Piotr :)


Le mar. 13 oct. 2020 à 17:12, Piotr Drąg  a 
écrit :
wt., 13 paź 2020 o 15:45 Alexandre Franke > napisał(a):
 I think you are omitting a possible scenario. We can have it on 
Damned

 lies and not take responsibility for it, like we do for the
 Freedesktop modules. You don’t need to have teams on board to do 
that:

 the i18n coordinators just have to decide that it is part of our
 extended platform, like Freedesktop is, and we can add it 
immediately

 so we see its status alongside the rest of the platform.



 has been here for years. :)

Best,

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Re: Technical feasibility to translate a project on Github

[Piotr Drąg via gnome-i18n]

wt., 13 paź 2020 o 15:45 Alexandre Franke  napisał(a):
> I think you are omitting a possible scenario. We can have it on Damned
> lies and not take responsibility for it, like we do for the
> Freedesktop modules. You don’t need to have teams on board to do that:
> the i18n coordinators just have to decide that it is part of our
> extended platform, like Freedesktop is, and we can add it immediately
> so we see its status alongside the rest of the platform.
>

https://l10n.gnome.org/module/flatpak/ has been here for years. :)

Best,

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Re: Technical feasibility to translate a project on Github

[Alexandre Franke]

On Fri, Oct 9, 2020 at 2:22 PM Thibault Martin  wrote:
> Now the audience for this question would probably be the translation
> coordinators: would we accept to take the responsibility of translating
> flatpak software?

I think you are omitting a possible scenario. We can have it on Damned
lies and not take responsibility for it, like we do for the
Freedesktop modules. You don’t need to have teams on board to do that:
the i18n coordinators just have to decide that it is part of our
extended platform, like Freedesktop is, and we can add it immediately
so we see its status alongside the rest of the platform.

As for taking responsibility, I would say yes but with a lower
priority than GNOME itself. Also, I expect flatpak people to
communicate with us and have a freeze so we can do our work in good
conditions.

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Re: Technical feasibility to translate a project on Github

[Daniel Mustieles García via gnome-i18n]

Thanks for the quick response!

Doing a quick review of the PO file I see the strings are (in the most of
cases) very short and often used in GNOME, so using a translation memory
would be really easy to have it done.

Yes, I was thinking in the same examples. Just adding a link in the
module's page in DL to directly open an MR in the target repo would be a
medium-directly way to have it.

Taking this into account, I give a +1 for having this available for
translation in Damned Lies. Of course, now it's time to hear another
coordinator's opinion about this.

Regards


El mar., 13 oct. 2020 a las 13:09, Thibault Martin ()
escribió:

> Hello Daniel and thanks for your answser,
>
> There seems to be 1112 strings to translate for the Flatpak software
> only.
>
> Those strings are in files in the PO format. I’m not quite sure about
> how (often) those are generated, but if we need adjustments, I’m
> quite sure we can ask them a few things. Let’s not forget Alexander
> Larsson is working on it :)
>
> The files can be found here:
> https://github.com/flatpak/flatpak/tree/master/po
>
> As of today, DL is used to follow the translation status of several
> projects it can't commit on. The two examples I have in mind are the
> freedesktop and Librem 5 ones. To commit our translations, someone
> manually opens a MR on the Gitlab, and then reports to their
> translation coordinator. It’s far from ideal, but still preferable to
> a completely manual process in my opinion.
>
> Best,
>
>
> Le mar. 13 oct. 2020 à 12:58, Daniel Mustieles García
>  a écrit :
> > Hi Thibault,
> >
> > I have some questions about this, hope you can help us with them
> >
> > 1 .To have a better idea about the necessary work for this, how many
> > translatable strings (aprox) Flatpak Software has?
> >
> > 2. Are those translatable strings in a PO file format? If answer is
> > no, which format does it use and which tool is recommended for it?
> >
> > 3 - If finally DL is not able to directly commit translations, how
> > will be the workflow to send and commit them?
> >
> > In a first stage I would not opposite to this idea, but I would like
> > to solve these questions before giving a final vote (just my personal
> > opinion about this, it would be necessary other coordinator's
> > opinion).
> >
> > Thanks in advance
> >
> > El vie., 9 oct. 2020 a las 14:22, Thibault Martin
> > () escribió:
> >> Hello,
> >>
> >>  Thanks for this quick answer Claude. So that solves the technical
> >>  feasibility.
> >>
> >>  Now the audience for this question would probably be the translation
> >>  coordinators: would we accept to take the responsibility of
> >> translating
> >>  flatpak software?
> >>
> >>  Best,
> >>
> >>  Le jeu. 8 oct. 2020 à 23:12, Claude Paroz  a
> >>  écrit :
> >>  > Le 08.10.20 à 14:13, Thibault Martin a écrit :
> >>  >> Hello,
> >>  >>
> >>  >> Flatpak doesn't have a proper translation platform. So far people
> >>  >>  retrieve and submit po files manually.
> >>  >>
> >>  >> I know Flatpak doesn’t necessarily want to be too associated
> >> with
> >>  >> GNOME  so it doesn’t shy out other systems.
> >>  >> Still, a translation provided by one of the major DE could be an
> >>  >> huge  improvement to today’s situation.
> >>  >>
> >>  >> I have two questions here:
> >>  >> * Would we accept to take responsibility of Flatpak’s
> >> translations?
> >>  >> * Is it technically feasible for DL to handle the translations
> >> of a
> >>  >>  project stored on GitHub?
> >>  >>
> >>  >> If we answer "yes" to both, I would offer to Flatpak’s team to
> >>  >> take care  of their translations, which they may or may not
> >> accept.
> >>  >
> >>  > Hi Thibault,
> >>  >
> >>  > There is more or less two level of translation supports in D-L.
> >>  > The first one is "simply" a status of current module translations
> >> +
> >>  > updated pot and merged po files ready for translators to use.
> >>  > That's the case for all freedesktop modules.
> >>  >
> >>  > The second is ability to commit translations from the Web
> >> interface.
> >>  > We do not support Github currently for this feature.
> >>  >
> >>  > So I would say that hosting translation stats would be fine IMHO.
> >>  > Adding commit support is another story, even if it should not be
> >> so
> >>  > much effort (to be evaluated, still).
> >>  >
> >>  > Claude
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Re: Technical feasibility to translate a project on Github

[Thibault Martin]

Hello Daniel and thanks for your answser,

There seems to be 1112 strings to translate for the Flatpak software 
only.


Those strings are in files in the PO format. I’m not quite sure about 
how (often) those are generated, but if we need adjustments, I’m 
quite sure we can ask them a few things. Let’s not forget Alexander 
Larsson is working on it :)


The files can be found here: 
https://github.com/flatpak/flatpak/tree/master/po


As of today, DL is used to follow the translation status of several 
projects it can't commit on. The two examples I have in mind are the 
freedesktop and Librem 5 ones. To commit our translations, someone 
manually opens a MR on the Gitlab, and then reports to their 
translation coordinator. It’s far from ideal, but still preferable to 
a completely manual process in my opinion.


Best,


Le mar. 13 oct. 2020 à 12:58, Daniel Mustieles García 
 a écrit :

Hi Thibault,

I have some questions about this, hope you can help us with them

1 .To have a better idea about the necessary work for this, how many 
translatable strings (aprox) Flatpak Software has?


2. Are those translatable strings in a PO file format? If answer is 
no, which format does it use and which tool is recommended for it?


3 - If finally DL is not able to directly commit translations, how 
will be the workflow to send and commit them?


In a first stage I would not opposite to this idea, but I would like 
to solve these questions before giving a final vote (just my personal 
opinion about this, it would be necessary other coordinator's 
opinion).


Thanks in advance

El vie., 9 oct. 2020 a las 14:22, Thibault Martin 
() escribió:

Hello,

 Thanks for this quick answer Claude. So that solves the technical
 feasibility.

 Now the audience for this question would probably be the translation
 coordinators: would we accept to take the responsibility of 
translating

 flatpak software?

 Best,

 Le jeu. 8 oct. 2020 à 23:12, Claude Paroz  a
 écrit :
 > Le 08.10.20 à 14:13, Thibault Martin a écrit :
 >> Hello,
 >>
 >> Flatpak doesn't have a proper translation platform. So far people
 >>  retrieve and submit po files manually.
 >>
 >> I know Flatpak doesn’t necessarily want to be too associated 
with

 >> GNOME  so it doesn’t shy out other systems.
 >> Still, a translation provided by one of the major DE could be an
 >> huge  improvement to today’s situation.
 >>
 >> I have two questions here:
 >> * Would we accept to take responsibility of Flatpak’s 
translations?
 >> * Is it technically feasible for DL to handle the translations 
of a

 >>  project stored on GitHub?
 >>
 >> If we answer "yes" to both, I would offer to Flatpak’s team to
 >> take care  of their translations, which they may or may not 
accept.

 >
 > Hi Thibault,
 >
 > There is more or less two level of translation supports in D-L.
 > The first one is "simply" a status of current module translations 
+

 > updated pot and merged po files ready for translators to use.
 > That's the case for all freedesktop modules.
 >
 > The second is ability to commit translations from the Web 
interface.

 > We do not support Github currently for this feature.
 >
 > So I would say that hosting translation stats would be fine IMHO.
 > Adding commit support is another story, even if it should not be 
so

 > much effort (to be evaluated, still).
 >
 > Claude
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Re: Technical feasibility to translate a project on Github

[Daniel Mustieles García via gnome-i18n]

Hi Thibault,

I have some questions about this, hope you can help us with them

1 .To have a better idea about the necessary work for this, how many
translatable strings (aprox) Flatpak Software has?

2. Are those translatable strings in a PO file format? If answer is no,
which format does it use and which tool is recommended for it?

3 - If finally DL is not able to directly commit translations, how will be
the workflow to send and commit them?

In a first stage I would not opposite to this idea, but I would like to
solve these questions before giving a final vote (just my personal opinion
about this, it would be necessary other coordinator's opinion).

Thanks in advance

El vie., 9 oct. 2020 a las 14:22, Thibault Martin ()
escribió:

> Hello,
>
> Thanks for this quick answer Claude. So that solves the technical
> feasibility.
>
> Now the audience for this question would probably be the translation
> coordinators: would we accept to take the responsibility of translating
> flatpak software?
>
> Best,
>
> Le jeu. 8 oct. 2020 à 23:12, Claude Paroz  a
> écrit :
> > Le 08.10.20 à 14:13, Thibault Martin a écrit :
> >> Hello,
> >>
> >> Flatpak doesn't have a proper translation platform. So far people
> >>  retrieve and submit po files manually.
> >>
> >> I know Flatpak doesn’t necessarily want to be too associated with
> >> GNOME  so it doesn’t shy out other systems.
> >> Still, a translation provided by one of the major DE could be an
> >> huge  improvement to today’s situation.
> >>
> >> I have two questions here:
> >> * Would we accept to take responsibility of Flatpak’s translations?
> >> * Is it technically feasible for DL to handle the translations of a
> >>  project stored on GitHub?
> >>
> >> If we answer "yes" to both, I would offer to Flatpak’s team to
> >> take care  of their translations, which they may or may not accept.
> >
> > Hi Thibault,
> >
> > There is more or less two level of translation supports in D-L.
> > The first one is "simply" a status of current module translations +
> > updated pot and merged po files ready for translators to use.
> > That's the case for all freedesktop modules.
> >
> > The second is ability to commit translations from the Web interface.
> > We do not support Github currently for this feature.
> >
> > So I would say that hosting translation stats would be fine IMHO.
> > Adding commit support is another story, even if it should not be so
> > much effort (to be evaluated, still).
> >
> > Claude
> > --
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Re: Technical feasibility to translate a project on Github

[Thibault Martin]

Hello,

Thanks for this quick answer Claude. So that solves the technical 
feasibility.


Now the audience for this question would probably be the translation 
coordinators: would we accept to take the responsibility of translating 
flatpak software?


Best,

Le jeu. 8 oct. 2020 à 23:12, Claude Paroz  a 
écrit :

Le 08.10.20 à 14:13, Thibault Martin a écrit :

Hello,

Flatpak doesn't have a proper translation platform. So far people 
retrieve and submit po files manually.


I know Flatpak doesn’t necessarily want to be too associated with 
GNOME so it doesn’t shy out other systems.
Still, a translation provided by one of the major DE could be an 
huge improvement to today’s situation.


I have two questions here:
* Would we accept to take responsibility of Flatpak’s translations?
* Is it technically feasible for DL to handle the translations of a 
project stored on GitHub?


If we answer "yes" to both, I would offer to Flatpak’s team to 
take care of their translations, which they may or may not accept.


Hi Thibault,

There is more or less two level of translation supports in D-L.
The first one is "simply" a status of current module translations + 
updated pot and merged po files ready for translators to use.

That's the case for all freedesktop modules.

The second is ability to commit translations from the Web interface. 
We do not support Github currently for this feature.


So I would say that hosting translation stats would be fine IMHO. 
Adding commit support is another story, even if it should not be so 
much effort (to be evaluated, still).


Claude
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Re: Technical feasibility to translate a project on Github

[Claude Paroz]

Le 08.10.20 à 14:13, Thibault Martin a écrit :

Hello,

Flatpak doesn't have a proper translation platform. So far people 
retrieve and submit po files manually.


I know Flatpak doesn’t necessarily want to be too associated with GNOME 
so it doesn’t shy out other systems.
Still, a translation provided by one of the major DE could be an huge 
improvement to today’s situation.


I have two questions here:
* Would we accept to take responsibility of Flatpak’s translations?
* Is it technically feasible for DL to handle the translations of a 
project stored on GitHub?


If we answer "yes" to both, I would offer to Flatpak’s team to take care 
of their translations, which they may or may not accept.


Hi Thibault,

There is more or less two level of translation supports in D-L.
The first one is "simply" a status of current module translations + 
updated pot and merged po files ready for translators to use.

That's the case for all freedesktop modules.

The second is ability to commit translations from the Web interface. We 
do not support Github currently for this feature.


So I would say that hosting translation stats would be fine IMHO. Adding 
commit support is another story, even if it should not be so much effort 
(to be evaluated, still).


Claude
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