Re: rosetta
Hello Carlos, Carlos Perelló Marín wrote: > We (Rosetta team) are working on it, we have a GNOME team and we blocked > the GNOME translations only to GTP members, but the team creation and > imports takes sometime. Nice to hear that :) > We already have a start of a translation memory showing you all > translations we have in other modules when the msgid is the same. It's > just a start and is far from being real translation memory, but we are > moving into that direction, don't worry. Great. Before accomplishing the full TM capability, I think it would be easier and more important to at least have the words contained in the Gnome Glossary automatically translated in translatable modules. I think all the GTP projects have the glossary ready and offering this feature would only require a search and replace approach for about 3000 words contained in the glossary. > No, GTP is not using Rosetta officially, but we are working on automatic > imports into Rosetta with permissions set to official translation teams > so they can use Rosetta if they want to. It's their choice, we are going > to offer it like Kbabel or GTranslator, just another tool to help the > GNOME Translations. I am happy to hear that. This is indeed the correct approach and I hope many teams will find online translation very helpful. I also hope to see Rosetta going open source some time in future :) Best regards, Aiet Kolkhi ___ gnome-i18n mailing list gnome-i18n@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-i18n
Re: Pootle (was: Re: rosetta)
Hello Clytie, > Pootle already does. :) This is good news. Does Pootle also offer GNOME Glossary translation module? Will it be possible to automatically translate the phrases once the Glossary in translated? Very important issue would be to register official Gnonme l10n coordinators for appropriate languages, so that the coordinatord have a right to approve translations, assign possibler tasks ans upload updated or already translated PO files, so that we avoid multiple unofficial translation projects, many people wotking on the same module at the same time. Also, it would be very handy if the Gnome project in Pootle would show the appropriate link to the language's official Gnome team page, where userwould get all the infos, style and glossary hints, as well as infos about priorities and assigned tasks. Best regards, Aiet Kolkhi ___ gnome-i18n mailing list gnome-i18n@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-i18n
Pootle (was: Re: rosetta)
On 20/08/2005, at 12:05 PM, Danilo Šegan wrote: Or does this mean similar tools like Pootle are free to offer GNOME translatable modules to the users? Yes. Pootle already does. :) from Clytie (vi-VN, Vietnamese free-software translation team / nhóm Việt hóa phần mềm tự do) http://groups-beta.google.com/group/vi-VN ___ gnome-i18n mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-i18n
Re: rosetta
On Sat, 2005-08-20 at 01:48 +0400, Aiet Kolkhi wrote: > Hello, > Hi > As Rosetta already offers GNOME translatable modules to everyone, I > guess the official Gnome coordinators should be appointed as the > module owners automatically. We (Rosetta team) are working on it, we have a GNOME team and we blocked the GNOME translations only to GTP members, but the team creation and imports takes sometime. > > This would avoid two people working on the same module and would > increase the localization intergration. > > Also, as GNOME advises l10n teams to work on the glossary first, it > would be very handy if Rosetta would offer TM (Translation Memory), > and a link to the official Gnome l10n teams page, where newbie user > would get all the language-specific support and information in local > language. We already have a start of a translation memory showing you all translations we have in other modules when the msgid is the same. It's just a start and is far from being real translation memory, but we are moving into that direction, don't worry. > > Another question I have is about the official status of Rosetta as > GNOME online l10n tool. Having Rosetta offering GNOME modules for > translation, does this mean that GNOME project chose Rosetta as the > official online translation tool? Or does this mean similar tools > like Pootle are free to offer GNOME translatable modules to the users? No, GTP is not using Rosetta officially, but we are working on automatic imports into Rosetta with permissions set to official translation teams so they can use Rosetta if they want to. It's their choice, we are going to offer it like Kbabel or GTranslator, just another tool to help the GNOME Translations. > > Best regards, > Cheers. > Aiet Kolkhi > http://www.Gakartuleba.org > ___ > gnome-i18n mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-i18n -- Carlos Perelló Marín Ubuntu Hoary (PowerPC) => http://www.ubuntulinux.org mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://carlos.pemas.net Valencia - Spain signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ gnome-i18n mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-i18n
Re: rosetta
On 8/20/05, Danilo Šegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > ... does this mean that GNOME project chose Rosetta as the > > official online translation tool? > > No. Nice. I think this is a correct approach. Thuogh we should ask all the product administrators to take GNOME l10n teams into notice and grant the coordinators appropriate rights, so that we don't end up having uncoordinated multiple l10n projects, all with different glossaries and style. ___ gnome-i18n mailing list gnome-i18n@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-i18n
Re: rosetta
Yesterday at 23:48, Aiet Kolkhi wrote: > Another question I have is about the official status of Rosetta as > GNOME online l10n tool. Having Rosetta offering GNOME modules for > translation, does this mean that GNOME project chose Rosetta as the > official online translation tool? No. > Or does this mean similar tools > like Pootle are free to offer GNOME translatable modules to the users? Yes. ___ gnome-i18n mailing list gnome-i18n@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-i18n
Re: rosetta
Hello, As Rosetta already offers GNOME translatable modules to everyone, I guess the official Gnome coordinators should be appointed as the module owners automatically. This would avoid two people working on the same module and would increase the localization intergration. Also, as GNOME advises l10n teams to work on the glossary first, it would be very handy if Rosetta would offer TM (Translation Memory), and a link to the official Gnome l10n teams page, where newbie user would get all the language-specific support and information in local language. Another question I have is about the official status of Rosetta as GNOME online l10n tool. Having Rosetta offering GNOME modules for translation, does this mean that GNOME project chose Rosetta as the official online translation tool? Or does this mean similar tools like Pootle are free to offer GNOME translatable modules to the users? Best regards, Aiet Kolkhi http://www.Gakartuleba.org ___ gnome-i18n mailing list gnome-i18n@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-i18n
Re: rosetta
On Sun, 2005-07-03 at 12:35 +0930, Clytie Siddall wrote: > On 03/07/2005, at 10:23 AM, Nikos Charonitakis wrote: > > > anything you translate for rosseta will have no effect to GTP. > > Sadly it only affects ubuntu distribution unless you take the > > responsibility to bring it back to GTP. > > I don't know whether they've improved the currency, but I put a lot > of work into translating the huge Gaim file on Rosetta, only to find > the current file, 75% translated, on Pootle. Boy, was I peeved! We fixed that partially some months ago already, We are asking now all .po files to upload a new .pot. Since then, most request were from upstream maintainers that wanted to use Rosetta as they way to translate their applications. > > Currency is a big issue: if you're translating anything away from the > main Gnome (KDE, Debian etc.) project, you want to make sure you have > the current file, or you can waste a lot of time translating > something that won't be used. :( Our plan is that we reach an status where most .po files are imported automatically into Rosetta so the translator only needs to translate and send the changes upstream. Nowadays you need to download the .po file, translate and send it upstream anyway... We are trying to speed that process, that's all. > > With Pootle, you can upload the current files you've taken from your > l10n page, and they're working towards CVS/SVN dynamic checkout and > commits. Any kind of automatic commit will require that you coordinate with upstream anyway so I hope you don't think the solution to all coordination problems is an automatic commit system... The solution is coordinate with upstream to reduce work duplication, we try to do that (Rosetta and Pootle teams) and we will get better ways to improve the coordination, but anyway, you should still know that you need to talk with upstream translators. Cheers. > > from Clytie (vi-VN, Vietnamese free-software translation team / nhóm > Việt hóa phần mềm tự do) > > Clytie Siddall--Renmark, in the Riverland of South Australia > > Ở thành phố Renmark, tại miền sông của Nam Úc > > ___ > gnome-i18n mailing list > gnome-i18n@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-i18n -- Carlos Perelló Marín Ubuntu Hoary (PowerPC) => http://www.ubuntulinux.org Linux Registered User #121232 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] || mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://carlos.pemas.net Valencia - Spain signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ gnome-i18n mailing list gnome-i18n@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-i18n
Re: rosetta
On 7/3/05, Clytie Siddall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > anything you translate for rosseta will have no effect to GTP. > > Sadly it only affects ubuntu distribution unless you take the > > responsibility to bring it back to GTP. > > I don't know whether they've improved the currency, but I put a lot > of work into translating the huge Gaim file on Rosetta, only to find > the current file, 75% translated, on Pootle. Boy, was I peeved! There is another problem too: are software maintainers incorporating your translation? This is less likely a problem for GNOME/KDE, since all po files / documents are committed into CVS/SVN, and they will be used IF maintainers upload new tarball for releases. But for other translation projects (including TP), that's a problem. Translations may end up sitting there, never incorporated into tarball if software maintainers don't care. Abel > > Currency is a big issue: if you're translating anything away from the > main Gnome (KDE, Debian etc.) project, you want to make sure you have > the current file, or you can waste a lot of time translating > something that won't be used. :( > > With Pootle, you can upload the current files you've taken from your > l10n page, and they're working towards CVS/SVN dynamic checkout and > commits. > > from Clytie (vi-VN, Vietnamese free-software translation team / nhóm > Việt hóa phần mềm tự do) > > Clytie Siddall--Renmark, in the Riverland of South Australia > > Ở thành phố Renmark, tại miền sông của Nam Úc > > ___ > gnome-i18n mailing list > gnome-i18n@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-i18n > -- Abel Cheung (GPG Key: 0xC67186FF) Key fingerprint: 671C C7AE EFB5 110C D6D1 41EE 4152 E1F1 C671 86FF * GNOME Hong Kong - http://www.gnome.hk/ * Opensource Application Knowledge Assoc. - http://oaka.org/ ___ gnome-i18n mailing list gnome-i18n@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-i18n
Re: rosetta
On 03/07/2005, at 10:23 AM, Nikos Charonitakis wrote: anything you translate for rosseta will have no effect to GTP. Sadly it only affects ubuntu distribution unless you take the responsibility to bring it back to GTP. I don't know whether they've improved the currency, but I put a lot of work into translating the huge Gaim file on Rosetta, only to find the current file, 75% translated, on Pootle. Boy, was I peeved! Currency is a big issue: if you're translating anything away from the main Gnome (KDE, Debian etc.) project, you want to make sure you have the current file, or you can waste a lot of time translating something that won't be used. :( With Pootle, you can upload the current files you've taken from your l10n page, and they're working towards CVS/SVN dynamic checkout and commits. from Clytie (vi-VN, Vietnamese free-software translation team / nhóm Việt hóa phần mềm tự do) Clytie Siddall--Renmark, in the Riverland of South Australia Ở thành phố Renmark, tại miền sông của Nam Úc ___ gnome-i18n mailing list gnome-i18n@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-i18n
Re: rosetta
anything you translate for rosseta will have no effect to GTP. Sadly it only affects ubuntu distribution unless you take the responsibility to bring it back to GTP. On 7/2/05, Jon Dufresne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hello, I am curious what connection the translation project has with > the rosetta tool ubuntu uses, if any. I am not a big translator but I > would like to contribute. I was poking around the ubuntu rosetta site > and it seems really hand for quick translation and would lower the > barrier for people to join. sorry if this has already been talked > about. > > jon > ___ > gnome-i18n mailing list > gnome-i18n@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-i18n > ___ gnome-i18n mailing list gnome-i18n@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-i18n
Re: rosetta
Jon Dufresne wrote: Hello, I am curious what connection the translation project has with the rosetta tool ubuntu uses, if any. I am not a big translator but I would like to contribute. I was poking around the ubuntu rosetta site and it seems really hand for quick translation and would lower the barrier for people to join. sorry if this has already been talked about. It has been discussed a few times indeed. Rosetta offers a translation service, you provide them with the .po files and you translate online. You cannot get the source code and setup your own Rosetta server. Another option is Pootle (http://pootle.wordforge.org/) which offers a translation service in addition to offering the source code. Pootle is actively developed (http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/translate-pootle) and provides a good option when you want to have a responsive web service, as it can be setup on your LAN for a "translation marathon" or on a fast computer in your country. We (Greek GNOME translators) are currently about to finish testing our own Pootle server to translate GNOME and other programs. More on installing Pootle, see: http://translate.sourceforge.net/wiki/pootleadmin Simos ___ gnome-i18n mailing list gnome-i18n@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-i18n
Re: [translate-pootle] Re: Rosetta web based translation tool
On 5/20/05, Petros V <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > We (the Hellenic GNOME Team) are trying to setup pootle.gnome.gr but > we have a few problems. In my opinion it will be better if every > country has its own pootle.gnome.XX so the work will remain > de-centralized. 2 most serious potential problem are: 1. centralized place for translation means single point of failure 2. not everybody want to work this way So it might be better for every team to decide themselves. Abel > > > > Petros Velonis > ___ > gnome-i18n mailing list > gnome-i18n@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-i18n > ___ gnome-i18n mailing list gnome-i18n@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-i18n
Re: [translate-pootle] Re: Rosetta web based translation tool
On 5/20/05, Jonathon Blake <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Clytie wrote: > > > I'd recommend Pootle to anyone looking at an online translation tool. > > Something else to consider: > Pootle source code is available. > > One could create pootle.gnome.org, as the official place for online > translations for GNOME. > We (the Hellenic GNOME Team) are trying to setup pootle.gnome.gr but we have a few problems. In my opinion it will be better if every country has its own pootle.gnome.XX so the work will remain de-centralized. Petros Velonis ___ gnome-i18n mailing list gnome-i18n@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-i18n
Re: [translate-pootle] Re: Rosetta web based translation tool
Clytie wrote: > I'd recommend Pootle to anyone looking at an online translation tool. Something else to consider: Pootle source code is available. One could create pootle.gnome.org, as the official place for online translations for GNOME. xan jonathon -- A Fork requires: Seven systems with: 1+ GHz Processors 2+ GB RAM 0.25 TB Hard drive space ___ gnome-i18n mailing list gnome-i18n@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-i18n
Re: Rosetta web based translation tool
On Tue, 2005-05-17 at 19:10 +0200, Jaap Haitsma wrote: > Clytie Siddall wrote: > > Drat these lists that default to sender: now sent to the list. Sorry, Jaap. > > > > Begin forwarded message: > > > >> > >> On 17/05/2005, at 6:26 AM, Jaap Haitsma wrote: > >> > >>> You probably heard about this but I couldn't find anything in the > >>> mailing list archives. > >>> > >>> Anyway Rosetta [1][2] is a web based translation tool for linux apps. > >>> This makes it very easy for people to contribute to translations. If > >>> you read [2] you even see that they will support glossaries to make > >>> terms like File, Edit etc. consistent across applications. > >>> > >>> It seems to me a very good idea if GNOME would start to do it's > >>> translations via rosetta because the hurdle to contribute for people > >>> is really low. > >> > >> > >> Jaap, I've spent some time working on both Rosetta (Ubuntu) and Pootle > >> (the translate project at Sourceforge). > >> > >> I would recommend Pootle very strongly over Rosetta, because: I'm not going to start a war between Rosetta or Pootle, but just want to note (so there are no misunderstandings) that Rosetta also fits some of your points. > >> > >> 1. Its developers are very responsive to user needs, and are > >> continually improving it We do it too. > >> 2. It is already a very useful online translation tool. Well, people is using Rosetta and we get many positive feedback so I suppose that means it's also a versy useful online translation tool. > >> 3. I believe it is much more effective and adaptable than Rosetta I don't know all the technical details behind pootle, but the main technical difference I'm aware between pootle and Rosetta is that pootle uses directly the .po files and Rosetta uses a PostgreSQL database as its backend. That gives you much more flexibility to share translations between projects, we are only missing the UI to do that but we are working on it and every time the integration will appear more and more. In the other side, pootle is more flexible and easy to install in other servers instead of a central place like Rosetta does. Under my point of view, both are adaptable but cover different user needs or features. > >> 4. It is OSS, free software: Rosetta is not That's completely true but we pretend that Rosetta ends as a Free Software project but we don't have a date for it yet. > >> 5. the Pootle community is very enthusiastic and welcoming. Same with Rosetta. > >> 6. They will have glossary support, CVS/SVN dynamic currency, > >> user-modifiable interface etc. Like Rosetta, but Rosetta will integrate with Arch. > >> > >> On the surface they are both online translation tools, but below the > >> surface, there are several very important differences. > >> > >> I've used Pootle, now, to do several types of translation, and the > >> developers have gone out of their way on every occasion to help me > >> out, implement new features I wanted, and encourage my projects. > >> > >> I'd recommend Pootle to anyone looking at an online translation tool. > >> It really does share the load, and make collaborative translation not > >> only possible, but effective. > >> > >> from Clytie (vi-VN, team/nhÃm Gnome-vi) > >> > >> Clytie Siddall--Renmark, in the Riverland of South Australia > >> > >> á thÃnh phá Renmark, tái mián sÃng cáa Nam Ãc > > Pootle sounds very interesting, especially the fact that it can handle > multiple file types. (po, mozilla, openoffice etc.) Pootle handles only .po files like Rosetta, but I think the same people that developed Pootle developed also a set of scripts that get .po files from mozilla/openoffice resource files so both systems can handle those kind of translations. In fact we are working on it already: http://udu.wiki.ubuntu.com/LanguagePackRoadmap > > Now it would be nice if there was going to be just one central place on > the web where the translations would take place. Now there will be a lot > of duplicated effort of translators. (people using pootle, rosetta, > cvs/svn ). There could be an official GNOME web based translation site, > but I think it would be even better if translator of a certain locale > would all work together. This is especially true for small languages. That's the ideal scenario. We try to reach it with Rosetta but we are not yet there and I think Pootle is neither there. Cheers. > > Jaap -- Carlos Perellà MarÃn Ubuntu Hoary (PowerPC) => http://www.ubuntulinux.org mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://carlos.pemas.net Valencia - Spain signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ gnome-i18n mailing list gnome-i18n@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-i18n
Re: Rosetta web based translation tool
tir, 17 05 2005 kl. 19:10 +0200, skrev Jaap Haitsma: > Clytie Siddall wrote: > > Drat these lists that default to sender: now sent to the list. Sorry, Jaap. > > > > Begin forwarded message: > > > >> > >> On 17/05/2005, at 6:26 AM, Jaap Haitsma wrote: > >> > >>> You probably heard about this but I couldn't find anything in the > >>> mailing list archives. > >>> > >>> Anyway Rosetta [1][2] is a web based translation tool for linux apps. > >>> This makes it very easy for people to contribute to translations. If > >>> you read [2] you even see that they will support glossaries to make > >>> terms like File, Edit etc. consistent across applications. > >>> > >>> It seems to me a very good idea if GNOME would start to do it's > >>> translations via rosetta because the hurdle to contribute for people > >>> is really low. As long as the current system is still available I would be happy to see a new option for translators. I really like the present system, it works great for me. Happy translating -- Martin Willemoes Hansen ___ gnome-i18n mailing list gnome-i18n@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-i18n
Re: Rosetta web based translation tool
Clytie Siddall wrote: Drat these lists that default to sender: now sent to the list. Sorry, Jaap. Begin forwarded message: On 17/05/2005, at 6:26 AM, Jaap Haitsma wrote: You probably heard about this but I couldn't find anything in the mailing list archives. Anyway Rosetta [1][2] is a web based translation tool for linux apps. This makes it very easy for people to contribute to translations. If you read [2] you even see that they will support glossaries to make terms like File, Edit etc. consistent across applications. It seems to me a very good idea if GNOME would start to do it's translations via rosetta because the hurdle to contribute for people is really low. Jaap, I've spent some time working on both Rosetta (Ubuntu) and Pootle (the translate project at Sourceforge). I would recommend Pootle very strongly over Rosetta, because: 1. Its developers are very responsive to user needs, and are continually improving it 2. It is already a very useful online translation tool. 3. I believe it is much more effective and adaptable than Rosetta 4. It is OSS, free software: Rosetta is not 5. the Pootle community is very enthusiastic and welcoming. 6. They will have glossary support, CVS/SVN dynamic currency, user-modifiable interface etc. On the surface they are both online translation tools, but below the surface, there are several very important differences. I've used Pootle, now, to do several types of translation, and the developers have gone out of their way on every occasion to help me out, implement new features I wanted, and encourage my projects. I'd recommend Pootle to anyone looking at an online translation tool. It really does share the load, and make collaborative translation not only possible, but effective. from Clytie (vi-VN, team/nhÃm Gnome-vi) Clytie Siddall--Renmark, in the Riverland of South Australia á thÃnh phá Renmark, tái mián sÃng cáa Nam Ãc Pootle sounds very interesting, especially the fact that it can handle multiple file types. (po, mozilla, openoffice etc.) Now it would be nice if there was going to be just one central place on the web where the translations would take place. Now there will be a lot of duplicated effort of translators. (people using pootle, rosetta, cvs/svn ). There could be an official GNOME web based translation site, but I think it would be even better if translator of a certain locale would all work together. This is especially true for small languages. Jaap ___ gnome-i18n mailing list gnome-i18n@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-i18n
