Re: kB, MB or KiB, MiB
Hi, On Mon, 2007-05-28 at 14:28 +0200, Benoît Dejean wrote: I'm totally for it. They were bugs against gnome-vfs but they were closed WONTFIX IIRC. So if gnome-vfs is not going to be fix, you can : - fix each program (that's what i did http://svn.gnome.org/viewcvs/gnome-system-monitor/branches/gnome-2-14/src/util.c?r1=1159r2=1205 ) - fix the translation if you know for sure that kB/MB/GB are misused. Since when do the translators do such decisions on their own? The only reasonable thing to do at this point is to bring up the question on desktop-devel-list and wait for a decision. Sven ___ gnome-i18n mailing list gnome-i18n@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-i18n
Re: kB, MB or KiB, MiB
Hi, On Mon, 2007-05-28 at 14:28 +0200, Benoît Dejean wrote: So if gnome-vfs is not going to be fix, you can : - fix each program (that's what i did http://svn.gnome.org/viewcvs/gnome-system-monitor/branches/gnome-2-14/src/util.c?r1=1159r2=1205 ) I would even rate that patch as wrong. Users should not be confronted with binary prefixes. Doing so is considered legacy behavior. So this patch should divide by multiples of thousands and use kB, MB and GB. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Binary_prefixes#Usage_notes There are certainly some cases where binary prefixes are not avoidable and perhaps it would be a good idea to use the correct symbols then. But I think it would be wrong to enforce binary prefixes on the GNOME users when it comes to file sizes. But seriously, this discussion should be taken elsewhere. Sven ___ gnome-i18n mailing list gnome-i18n@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-i18n
Re: kB, MB or KiB, MiB
Sven Neumann skrev: Since when do the translators do such decisions on their own? The only reasonable thing to do at this point is to bring up the question on desktop-devel-list and wait for a decision. You are totally correct. If we are going to use IEEE 1541, that should be on a global scale. Yes, that means the whole GNOME, no point in letting some applications use it. That would just confuse people. Can someone pipe the question to desktop-devel? -- Daniel Nylander (CISSP, GCUX, GCFA) http://www.DanielNylander.se Stockholm, Sweden [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ gnome-i18n mailing list gnome-i18n@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-i18n
Re: kB, MB or KiB, MiB
On Sun, 2007-05-27 at 14:46 -0400, Germán Poó Caamaño wrote: On Sun, 2007-05-27 at 19:34 +0200, Sven Neumann wrote: Hi, On Sun, 2007-05-27 at 19:17 +0200, Daniel Nylander wrote: You are correct, it's more correct but maybe not appropriate. As I translator, I have started to notice that more and more applications start to use this new convention. For the beginning I was a bit negative but started to like it more and more. I think consistency is most important here. So it would probably be a good idea to bring this up on desktop-devel-list. If an agreement can be reached that applications should use the IEEE_1541 symbols, then it would be appropriate to file bug reports for this. I remember it was discussed some years ago in gnome-network list[1], but documentation team had a recommendation written by that days[2]. Anyway, the situation has changed since then. I agree we should use IEEE 1541. [1] http://mail.gnome.org/archives/gnome-network-list/2003-December/msg00011.html [2] http://web.archive.org/web/20040603162403/http://developer.gnome.org/documents/style-guide/x14800.html 1) The Style Guide is not infallible. That section probably predates IEEE 1541, or at least predates anybody in Gnome caring about it. So we can consider that information outdated and amend it. 2) That section doesn't actually specify what kilo means. So while it does say 48 Kilobit and 48 Kb (should be kb, grr), it notably does not say to abuse kilo to mean 1024. It could be interpreted as saying that we should always present multiples in proper SI multiples. 3) The abbreviations will never be widely used or known if nobody takes the initiative to use them. -- Shaun ___ gnome-i18n mailing list gnome-i18n@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-i18n
Re: kB, MB or KiB, MiB
3) The abbreviations will never be widely used or known if nobody takes the initiative to use them. We have been using them at the the Spanish GTP at least since I joined, in 2004. -- Jorge González González [EMAIL PROTECTED] Weblog: http://aloriel.no-ip.org Fotolog: http://www.flickr.com/photos/aloriel ___ gnome-i18n mailing list gnome-i18n@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-i18n
Re: kB, MB or KiB, MiB
Le dimanche 27 mai 2007 à 17:49 +0200, Daniel Nylander a écrit : I guess this topic has been discussed before but.. I was thinking about bug reporting all applications that use the old convention (kB, MB, GB) and start use the more appropriate KiB, MiB, GiB etc. What do you think about that? I'm totally for it. They were bugs against gnome-vfs but they were closed WONTFIX IIRC. So if gnome-vfs is not going to be fix, you can : - fix each program (that's what i did http://svn.gnome.org/viewcvs/gnome-system-monitor/branches/gnome-2-14/src/util.c?r1=1159r2=1205 ) - fix the translation if you know for sure that kB/MB/GB are misused. (French translation of gnome-vfs uses SI units) -- Benoît Dejean GNOME http://www.gnomefr.org/ LibGTop http://directory.fsf.org/libgtop.html signature.asc Description: Ceci est une partie de message numériquement signée ___ gnome-i18n mailing list gnome-i18n@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-i18n
Re: kB, MB or KiB, MiB
Le dimanche 27 mai 2007 à 18:30 +0200, Sven Neumann a écrit : Hi, On Sun, 2007-05-27 at 17:49 +0200, Daniel Nylander wrote: I guess this topic has been discussed before but.. Could you please point me to this discussion? I was thinking about bug reporting all applications that use the old convention (kB, MB, GB) and start use the more appropriate KiB, MiB, GiB etc. Might be more correct, but I don't think it would be more appropriate. While kB, MB and GB are common and well-known abbreviations, Are we again having this conversation ? -- Benoît Dejean GNOME http://www.gnomefr.org/ LibGTop http://directory.fsf.org/libgtop.html signature.asc Description: Ceci est une partie de message numériquement signée ___ gnome-i18n mailing list gnome-i18n@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-i18n
Re: kB, MB or KiB, MiB
Le dimanche 27 mai 2007 à 18:30 +0200, Sven Neumann a écrit : Hi, On Sun, 2007-05-27 at 17:49 +0200, Daniel Nylander wrote: I guess this topic has been discussed before but.. Could you please point me to this discussion? http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=301838 -- Benoît Dejean GNOME http://www.gnomefr.org/ LibGTop http://directory.fsf.org/libgtop.html signature.asc Description: Ceci est une partie de message numériquement signée ___ gnome-i18n mailing list gnome-i18n@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-i18n
kB, MB or KiB, MiB
I guess this topic has been discussed before but.. I was thinking about bug reporting all applications that use the old convention (kB, MB, GB) and start use the more appropriate KiB, MiB, GiB etc. What do you think about that? -- Daniel Nylander (CISSP, GCUX, GCFA) http://www.DanielNylander.se Stockholm, Sweden [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ gnome-i18n mailing list gnome-i18n@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-i18n
Re: kB, MB or KiB, MiB
Le dimanche 27 mai 2007 à 17:49 +0200, Daniel Nylander a écrit : I guess this topic has been discussed before but.. I was thinking about bug reporting all applications that use the old convention (kB, MB, GB) and start use the more appropriate KiB, MiB, GiB etc. What do you think about that? +1 And it would help translator to correctly understood the real unit used in english (for example in french all units have been standardized). Thanks. -- jid : [EMAIL PROTECTED] signature.asc Description: Ceci est une partie de message numériquement signée ___ gnome-i18n mailing list gnome-i18n@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-i18n
Re: kB, MB or KiB, MiB
Hi, On Sun, 2007-05-27 at 17:49 +0200, Daniel Nylander wrote: I guess this topic has been discussed before but.. Could you please point me to this discussion? I was thinking about bug reporting all applications that use the old convention (kB, MB, GB) and start use the more appropriate KiB, MiB, GiB etc. Might be more correct, but I don't think it would be more appropriate. While kB, MB and GB are common and well-known abbreviations, KiB, MiB, GiB and the like are not widely used and would confuse most users. I even had to look this up on Wikipedia because I don't think I've ever seen MiB and GiB being used anywhere. If you filed a bug-report about this against GIMP I would most likely call you a nit-picker and close it as NOTABUG. Sven ___ gnome-i18n mailing list gnome-i18n@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-i18n
Re: kB, MB or KiB, MiB
Sven Neumann skrev: Could you please point me to this discussion? No, since I was just guessing. Might be more correct, but I don't think it would be more appropriate. While kB, MB and GB are common and well-known abbreviations, KiB, MiB, GiB and the like are not widely used and would confuse most users. I even had to look this up on Wikipedia because I don't think I've ever seen MiB and GiB being used anywhere. You are correct, it's more correct but maybe not appropriate. As I translator, I have started to notice that more and more applications start to use this new convention. For the beginning I was a bit negative but started to like it more and more. But yes, it might be confusing for some people. For more information: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IEEE_1541 (as you can see, this is for recommended use) -- Daniel Nylander (CISSP, GCUX, GCFA) http://www.DanielNylander.se Stockholm, Sweden [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ gnome-i18n mailing list gnome-i18n@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-i18n
Re: kB, MB or KiB, MiB
Hi, On Sun, 2007-05-27 at 19:17 +0200, Daniel Nylander wrote: You are correct, it's more correct but maybe not appropriate. As I translator, I have started to notice that more and more applications start to use this new convention. For the beginning I was a bit negative but started to like it more and more. I think consistency is most important here. So it would probably be a good idea to bring this up on desktop-devel-list. If an agreement can be reached that applications should use the IEEE_1541 symbols, then it would be appropriate to file bug reports for this. Sven ___ gnome-i18n mailing list gnome-i18n@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-i18n
Re: kB, MB or KiB, MiB
On Sun, 2007-05-27 at 19:34 +0200, Sven Neumann wrote: Hi, On Sun, 2007-05-27 at 19:17 +0200, Daniel Nylander wrote: You are correct, it's more correct but maybe not appropriate. As I translator, I have started to notice that more and more applications start to use this new convention. For the beginning I was a bit negative but started to like it more and more. I think consistency is most important here. So it would probably be a good idea to bring this up on desktop-devel-list. If an agreement can be reached that applications should use the IEEE_1541 symbols, then it would be appropriate to file bug reports for this. I remember it was discussed some years ago in gnome-network list[1], but documentation team had a recommendation written by that days[2]. Anyway, the situation has changed since then. I agree we should use IEEE 1541. [1] http://mail.gnome.org/archives/gnome-network-list/2003-December/msg00011.html [2] http://web.archive.org/web/20040603162403/http://developer.gnome.org/documents/style-guide/x14800.html Regards, -- Germán Poó Caamaño Concepción - Chile ___ gnome-i18n mailing list gnome-i18n@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-i18n
