Re: Gnome 3 and the Natty narwhal
Hi, 2011/4/29 Benoît Thiébault thieba...@artenum.com: Hi everyone, I just finished upgrading to Ubuntu 11.04 and I installed Gnome 3 as explained here : http://norman.hooper.name/blog/post/58/ubuntu-natty-narwhal-gnome-3/ I have a few problems: - The most disturbing one is the window theme that is really ugly and does not look at all like the one on gnome3.org screenshots (cf. attached screen capture) The question should go to the team making the packages, not to the gnome-shell list I guess. Anyway, you should install the theme package: gnome-themes or gnome-themes-standard if memory serves well - It seems that the Desktop does not show the files in the /home/mylogin/Desktop directory. Is this a bug or a feature? How can I quickly access those files? As far as I know, gnome-shell does not use nautilus (the file manager) to draw the desktop anymore, so it is a feature. The desktop folder is thus pretty useless now, you have to open nautilus to see its content. Regards. -- Aurélien Naldi ___ gnome-shell-list mailing list gnome-shell-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-shell-list
Re: Gnome 3 and the Natty narwhal
Hi Check out the ubuntu forums for that http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1727857 You have to install gnome-themes-standard and remove gnome-themes Cheers, Adrian 2011/4/29 Benoît Thiébault thieba...@artenum.com Hi everyone, I just finished upgrading to Ubuntu 11.04 and I installed Gnome 3 as explained here : http://norman.hooper.name/blog/post/58/ubuntu-natty-narwhal-gnome-3/ I have a few problems: - The most disturbing one is the window theme that is really ugly and does not look at all like the one on gnome3.org screenshots (cf. attached screen capture) - I can't see the gnome backgrounds in System settings, only Ubuntu ones - On the login screen, when I choose to start a ubuntu session or a ubuntu classic session, it refuses to launch the session - It seems that the Desktop does not show the files in the /home/mylogin/Desktop directory. Is this a bug or a feature? How can I quickly access those files? Does anyone know how to solve these issues ? Thanks Ben ___ gnome-shell-list mailing list gnome-shell-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-shell-list ___ gnome-shell-list mailing list gnome-shell-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-shell-list
Re: GNOME 3.0 feedback and suggestions (for 3.2+)
2011/4/29 Jasper St. Pierre jstpie...@mecheye.net: On Thu, Apr 28, 2011 at 6:06 PM, Frederik Hertzum Just for clarification, desktop means workspace? Yes: I was thinking in the term virtual desktop. snip Maximized windows and title bars: snip This has been suggested a significant number of times before, for mostly the same reasons. I'm unsure of why it hasn't been done, but I'm quite sure it's for technical limitations. No need for me to propose it again then, I suppose. Horizontal desktops missing: = snip I'm really confused at what you mean by this. Why do you feel you need horizontal workspaces? I would really like to have related workspaces grouped in some way -- for example, I would like to have all of my work related workspaces in a group of it's own and all of my slack based workspaces in another group. Horizontal workspaces would allow me to do this. Volume control: = snip This is a good idea, but I'm curious how it would be implemented. Me too. I have some ideas, but I'm afraid it will mess up the UI and I'm not even sure if it's possible -- depending on how pulseaudio works. snip This sort of file management stuff is a big focus for gnome-shell 3.2, under the name Finding and Reminding. I don't think the designers have an idea of how it would look yet, but I know Seif and Federico have been working extremely hard on getting Shell-based search and a journal overview ready. Awesome. Hiding/minimizing windows: = snip What are hidden windows? Minimzied windows.This is just a random idea though and I'm not sure it's even worth considering any further. I was hoping to fix the hidden/minimized window issue. Program menus: = snip Again, I'm unsure of what you mean by this. If there is anything missing entirely from the Applications tab in the overview, that's an extremely bad bug. Can you give examples of what's missing? system-config-services for example -- but I just found out the reason: apparently Fedora no longer carries the .desktop files, so this is not a GNOME issue. snip Programmes remembering their desktop: = snip There is no which workspace in the dynamic workspaces of the shell. The most you really can do is the current workspace and a new workspace, and while it may be useful to mark an application as starting on a new workspace, I think good ol' drag and drop is fine here. Well, the idea was basically to have some sort of workspace session which could be launched all at once, rather than having to launch each individual app. Thinking more about it, maybe it should simply be possible to create an icon which would launch a set of apps in a new workspace, rather than remembering a grouping automatically (I never really liked that idea anyway). I hope this is helpful. Frederik Herzum -- Date stamps are your friends ___ gnome-shell-list mailing list gnome-shell-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-shell-list Again, I hope this is helpful and a bit clearer than before. Frederik Hertzum -- Date stamps are your friends ___ gnome-shell-list mailing list gnome-shell-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-shell-list
file properties
All, not sure if this is a shell issue or SUSE issue but if I select file properties under the file manager gui file manager freezes and i have to restart not sure where to create the bug any help would be appreciated thanks Ira ___ gnome-shell-list mailing list gnome-shell-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-shell-list
Re: Gnome 3 and the Natty narwhal
Thanks both for your feedbacks. I found this blog post that also provides a solution : http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1742343 I haven't had time to try it yet, but I will as soon as possible Ben Le vendredi 29 avril 2011 à 10:08 +0200, Adrian Wyssmann a écrit : Hi Check out the ubuntu forums for that http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1727857 You have to install gnome-themes-standard and remove gnome-themes Cheers, Adrian 2011/4/29 Benoît Thiébault thieba...@artenum.com Hi everyone, I just finished upgrading to Ubuntu 11.04 and I installed Gnome 3 as explained here : http://norman.hooper.name/blog/post/58/ubuntu-natty-narwhal-gnome-3/ I have a few problems: - The most disturbing one is the window theme that is really ugly and does not look at all like the one on gnome3.org screenshots (cf. attached screen capture) - I can't see the gnome backgrounds in System settings, only Ubuntu ones - On the login screen, when I choose to start a ubuntu session or a ubuntu classic session, it refuses to launch the session - It seems that the Desktop does not show the files in the /home/mylogin/Desktop directory. Is this a bug or a feature? How can I quickly access those files? Does anyone know how to solve these issues ? Thanks Ben ___ gnome-shell-list mailing list gnome-shell-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-shell-list -- Dr Benoît Thiébault Project Manager Artenum Toulouse - Science Groupware http://www.artenum.com Bâtiment Calfocenter 10, rue Marguerite Long 31 320 Castanet Tolosan France Phone: +33 (0)5 62 19 32 22 ___ gnome-shell-list mailing list gnome-shell-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-shell-list
Re: Thumbs up!
2011/4/29 Allan E. Registos allan.regis...@smpc.steniel.com.ph: All these animations stuff are under the assumption that Nvidia and AMD will going to support Linux in the ages to come, if they do, GNOME Shell is in good track. I have no faith in Open Source 3D capable drivers, if they do, they are light-years behind. AFAICT the Shell does not need a top notch 3D card and binary drivers. For instance, I can run it comfortably on a couple laptops I have at home: one is about 3 years old with an NVIDIA Quadro NVS 130 (G86), the other is a 5 years old Centrino with an ATI Radeon 9700 (r300). Both are running with the open source drivers available in Fedora 15. -- Gianluca Sforna http://morefedora.blogspot.com http://identi.ca/giallu - http://twitter.com/giallu ___ gnome-shell-list mailing list gnome-shell-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-shell-list
Re: Gubuntu - Long term perspective for Ubuntu with Gnome?
On 04/29/2011 05:43 AM, Marc Fouquet wrote: If Ubuntu sticks with Unity, do you think that there is a chance we might see a Gubuntu distribution, similar to Kubuntu and Xubuntu in the long run? I got used to Ubuntu, so I don't like to switch to another distro. But I tried Natty/Unity yesterday and didn't like it - at least in its current form. Installing Gnome 3 from an experimental PPA does not appear like a long-term solution either. Regards, Marc ___ gnome-shell-list mailing list gnome-shell-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-shell-list I have no authority to speak on Canonical's behalf, but knowing how they work, I don't think this would happen officially. I'm pretty sure that there will be at lease one third-party Ubuntu flavor that uses the default GNOME 3 desktop, however, as there's a reasonably large demand for it. I used to use Ubuntu for a while (from 7.10 to 10.04 actually), and I can sympathize with your position. After they changed things around a little too much for my liking, I decided to give a more upstream distribution (relative to Ubuntu) a try. Right now I'm using Arch Linux, and while it's a little confusing to set up at first, it runs like a dream and it taught me all about how my OS works while I set it up, something that you don't get from more GUI-oriented distros like Ubuntu. As a second choice, though, I highly recommend Fedora/OpenSUSE. They're both great distros that incorporate the GNOME 3 desktop without patching it to oblivion like Ubuntu would have (funny thing about that: my vanilla GNOME 2 desktop, after switching from Ubuntu a while ago, was actually less buggy than Ubuntu's patched-up version). After all, if you disregard the package manager, most distributions are incredibly similar on the GUI level. I highly suggest giving another distro a try, at least on a Live CD (and don't forget to read documentation), before trying to use GNOME 3 on Ubuntu; last I heard it breaks a lot of things because of Ubuntu's packaging. ___ gnome-shell-list mailing list gnome-shell-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-shell-list
RE: Gubuntu - Long term perspective for Ubuntu with Gnome?
Considering Unity IS GNOME, that name would just cause confusion. If such a thing were done I would think it should be called Shubuntu (for the shell). I don't know why it would need a major respin once Ubuntu goes to GNOME 3 for its next version, anyway. There's no Epubuntu for replacing Firefox with GNOME's Epiphany. I also don't think this is the proper place to discuss it anyway. Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2011 12:43:27 +0200 From: marc.fouq...@gmx.de To: gnome-shell-list@gnome.org Subject: Gubuntu - Long term perspective for Ubuntu with Gnome? If Ubuntu sticks with Unity, do you think that there is a chance we might see a Gubuntu distribution, similar to Kubuntu and Xubuntu in the long run? I got used to Ubuntu, so I don't like to switch to another distro. But I tried Natty/Unity yesterday and didn't like it - at least in its current form. Installing Gnome 3 from an experimental PPA does not appear like a long-term solution either. Regards, Marc ___ gnome-shell-list mailing list gnome-shell-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-shell-list ___ gnome-shell-list mailing list gnome-shell-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-shell-list
Re: Gubuntu - Long term perspective for Ubuntu with Gnome?
On Fri, Apr 29, 2011 at 09:33:38AM -0400, Mark Curtis wrote: Considering Unity IS GNOME, that name would just cause confusion. If such a thing were done I would think it should be called Shubuntu (for the shell). I don't know why it would need a major respin once Ubuntu goes to GNOME 3 for its next version, anyway. There's no Epubuntu for replacing Firefox with GNOME's Epiphany. This is not correct. Unity is not GNOME. It uses various GNOME components, but it is not GNOME. Unity is a different desktop environment just like e.g. XFCE. -- Regards, Olav ___ gnome-shell-list mailing list gnome-shell-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-shell-list
Re: Thumbs up!
I am using it on an intel chipset, it does not look perfect (transparency problems) but it works really nice On Fri, Apr 29, 2011 at 5:40 AM, Gianluca Sforna gia...@gmail.com wrote: 2011/4/29 Allan E. Registos allan.regis...@smpc.steniel.com.ph: All these animations stuff are under the assumption that Nvidia and AMD will going to support Linux in the ages to come, if they do, GNOME Shell is in good track. I have no faith in Open Source 3D capable drivers, if they do, they are light-years behind. AFAICT the Shell does not need a top notch 3D card and binary drivers. For instance, I can run it comfortably on a couple laptops I have at home: one is about 3 years old with an NVIDIA Quadro NVS 130 (G86), the other is a 5 years old Centrino with an ATI Radeon 9700 (r300). Both are running with the open source drivers available in Fedora 15. -- Gianluca Sforna http://morefedora.blogspot.com http://identi.ca/giallu - http://twitter.com/giallu ___ gnome-shell-list mailing list gnome-shell-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-shell-list -- No necesito anti-virus por que uso un buen sistema GNU/Linux, libre y gratis! I need no anti-virus, I use a GNU/Linux, a Free Operative System! Je necesite pas de anti-virus, parce que j'utilice a GNU/Linux OS completment libre! ___ gnome-shell-list mailing list gnome-shell-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-shell-list
RE: Gubuntu - Long term perspective for Ubuntu with Gnome?
How is any distro using Unity instead of GNOME Shell any different than one using Pidgin instead of Empathy, or Firefox instead of Epiphany? Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2011 15:55:01 +0200 From: o...@vitters.nl To: merkin...@hotmail.com CC: marc.fouq...@gmx.de; gnome-shell-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Gubuntu - Long term perspective for Ubuntu with Gnome? On Fri, Apr 29, 2011 at 09:33:38AM -0400, Mark Curtis wrote: Considering Unity IS GNOME, that name would just cause confusion. If such a thing were done I would think it should be called Shubuntu (for the shell). I don't know why it would need a major respin once Ubuntu goes to GNOME 3 for its next version, anyway. There's no Epubuntu for replacing Firefox with GNOME's Epiphany. This is not correct. Unity is not GNOME. It uses various GNOME components, but it is not GNOME. Unity is a different desktop environment just like e.g. XFCE. -- Regards, Olav ___ gnome-shell-list mailing list gnome-shell-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-shell-list
RE: Gubuntu - Long term perspective for Ubuntu with Gnome?
On Fri, 2011-04-29 at 10:18 -0400, Mark Curtis wrote: How is any distro using Unity instead of GNOME Shell any different than one using Pidgin instead of Empathy, or Firefox instead of Epiphany? You don't get to make-up what terms / words mean. GNOME and Unity are Desktop Environments. Empathy and Pidgin are Applications. That is the difference. ___ gnome-shell-list mailing list gnome-shell-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-shell-list
RE: Gubuntu - Long term perspective for Ubuntu with Gnome?
I'm not trying to make things up, I was just asking for clarification. I thought GNOME was more than just the shell, as in GTK+ for one Subject: RE: Gubuntu - Long term perspective for Ubuntu with Gnome? From: awill...@whitemice.org To: gnome-shell-list@gnome.org Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2011 10:33:07 -0400 On Fri, 2011-04-29 at 10:18 -0400, Mark Curtis wrote: How is any distro using Unity instead of GNOME Shell any different than one using Pidgin instead of Empathy, or Firefox instead of Epiphany? You don't get to make-up what terms / words mean. GNOME and Unity are Desktop Environments. Empathy and Pidgin are Applications. That is the difference. ___ gnome-shell-list mailing list gnome-shell-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-shell-list ___ gnome-shell-list mailing list gnome-shell-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-shell-list
RE: Gubuntu - Long term perspective for Ubuntu with Gnome?
On Fri, 2011-04-29 at 10:37 -0400, Mark Curtis wrote: I'm not trying to make things up, I was just asking for clarification. I thought GNOME was more than just the shell, as in GTK+ for one :) I didn't say it was just the shell; I said it was a Desktop Environment. It encompasses standards for presentation, mechanisms for applications to use services like notification, methods for applications to provide integration. Subject: RE: Gubuntu - Long term perspective for Ubuntu with Gnome? From: awill...@whitemice.org To: gnome-shell-list@gnome.org Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2011 10:33:07 -0400 On Fri, 2011-04-29 at 10:18 -0400, Mark Curtis wrote: How is any distro using Unity instead of GNOME Shell any different than one using Pidgin instead of Empathy, or Firefox instead of Epiphany? You don't get to make-up what terms / words mean. GNOME and Unity are Desktop Environments. Empathy and Pidgin are Applications. That is the difference. ___ gnome-shell-list mailing list gnome-shell-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-shell-list
RE: Gubuntu - Long term perspective for Ubuntu with Gnome?
Are some/most of those the same in Unity though? I guess I'm just wondering how much tweaking one can do to GNOME before it's no longer GNOME Subject: RE: Gubuntu - Long term perspective for Ubuntu with Gnome? From: awill...@whitemice.org To: gnome-shell-list@gnome.org Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2011 10:40:44 -0400 On Fri, 2011-04-29 at 10:37 -0400, Mark Curtis wrote: I'm not trying to make things up, I was just asking for clarification. I thought GNOME was more than just the shell, as in GTK+ for one :) I didn't say it was just the shell; I said it was a Desktop Environment. It encompasses standards for presentation, mechanisms for applications to use services like notification, methods for applications to provide integration. Subject: RE: Gubuntu - Long term perspective for Ubuntu with Gnome? From: awill...@whitemice.org To: gnome-shell-list@gnome.org Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2011 10:33:07 -0400 On Fri, 2011-04-29 at 10:18 -0400, Mark Curtis wrote: How is any distro using Unity instead of GNOME Shell any different than one using Pidgin instead of Empathy, or Firefox instead of Epiphany? You don't get to make-up what terms / words mean. GNOME and Unity are Desktop Environments. Empathy and Pidgin are Applications. That is the difference. ___ gnome-shell-list mailing list gnome-shell-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-shell-list ___ gnome-shell-list mailing list gnome-shell-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-shell-list
Re: file properties
fr., 29.04.2011 kl. 01.37 -0700, skrev Ira Huff: All, not sure if this is a shell issue or SUSE issue but if I select file properties under the file manager gui file manager freezes and i have to restart not sure where to create the bug any help would be appreciated thanks Ira It's a bug - already filed openSUSE https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=689447 Upstream https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=645954 Workaround for now is to uninstall nautilus-extension-tracker-tags //Bjørn ___ gnome-shell-list mailing list gnome-shell-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-shell-list
Gnome-Shell - Activity Journal [GSoC Project]
Hi, I'm a GSoC student for GNOME this year and I'll be working on http://socghop.appspot.com/gsoc/proposal/review/google/gsoc2011/kitallis/1this summer. I thought I'd run down the major discussion points by all of you and also get fair idea of the design decisions. I'll just be covering the Shell tasks for the moment. In a nutshell, this is basically about the Zeigeist activity journal on Gnome-Shell Seif, Federico and I have been working on. Zeigeist is an activity logger, that indexes user actions like opening files, visting websites and IM conversations etc. So, we're pretty much trying to integrate all this logging in a nice seamless overlay in the Shell[3], basing it around the Gnome Activity Journal[1]. Most of the work and the ideas below are based around this non-finalised draft http://live.gnome.org/GnomeShell/Design/Whiteboards/FindingAndReminding . As the journal described above would need a nice searching capability, Federico and I decided upon a Firefox-like highlight based search, that'd essentially, highlight the matched events instead of the traditional remove the non-matches search. This is a significantly faster way of searching as it doesn't actually change the built Journal state but retains the rest of the events along with clear view of the matched results[2]. . Starring/Pinning is also another cool GAJ feature that allows favoriting certain event items. A star button (like close on Windows) on the top-right corner could be used as a mouse-hover event. We're not exactly sure, where this will be accessible. Two possible things - either push it inside the the favorites Dash on the left or just be available as a filterable item on the right, or both. Please take a look at [3]. . The eraser mode should serve as a quick and easy way to just pull out items off of that Journal by clicking on it once, this mode would be just the regular journal replaced to account for these specific removal features. The currently planned features are one-click removal (like closing windows from the overview), multi-selection removal. . The filters are pretty much completing the work in Seif's branch. We'd like to have interested designers to come forward and give inputs for these and also reviews on stuff that's already been done (preferably on the ML itself, although i'd be logging #gnome-design anyway). Please follow these to become more clear on what's already been done and the possible scope inside it: 1. http://seilo.geekyogre.com/2011/04/zeitgeist-work-towards-gnome-3-2/ 2. I wrote a basic working prototype of the model in [4]; You can look at an awesome video describing it here: http://ompldr.org/vOGRoMw (use VLC!) Other standalone tasks. Because Seif and co. will already be working on the Journal, I've tried covering as much separate tasks as possible above. Although we're open to any changes in the FindingAndReminding draft (and/or the above) which can be implemented explicitly because I'd like stuff to be as non-experimental as possible. [1] http://live.gnome.org/Zeitgeist/UseCases | http://live.gnome.org/GnomeActivityJournal [2] http://ompldr.org/vOGhjNg [3] http://seilo.geekyogre.com/uploads/2011/04/Screenshot-81-1024x640.png [4] http://live.gnome.org/GnomeShell/Design/Whiteboards/FindingAndReminding#Proposal -- 4, 8, 15, 16, 23, 42 Akshay Gupta (kitallis on IRC and elsewhere) ___ gnome-shell-list mailing list gnome-shell-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-shell-list
Re: Thumbs up!
On Friday, 29 April, 2011 06:10 PM, Gianluca Sforna wrote: AFAICT the Shell does not need a top notch 3D card and binary drivers. That is good to hear, but applications will need the maximum performance of GPUs, that is why, GNOME Shell will benefit from that, since I think proprietary drivers will be provided for the sake of applications, and it happens that they also need to support the Shell if they do. Regards, Allan ___ gnome-shell-list mailing list gnome-shell-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-shell-list
Re: Gubuntu - Long term perspective for Ubuntu with Gnome?
On Friday, 29 April, 2011 06:43 PM, Marc Fouquet wrote: I got used to Ubuntu, so I don't like to switch to another distro. But I tried Natty/Unity yesterday and didn't like it - at least in its current form. Installing Gnome 3 from an experimental PPA does not appear like a long-term solution either. You/we must try to convince the folks at Linux Mint to use GNOME Shell 3 instead of the planned classic GNOME. ___ gnome-shell-list mailing list gnome-shell-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-shell-list
Re: 3rd party application integration guidelines - how to be a good shell citizen?
On Mon, 25 Apr 2011 09:31:13 +0200, Johannes Schmid j...@jsschmid.de wrote: * Interact once in a while: This is a classic example of just moving it to a second workspace if the window really gets in your way. Interesting. I never had the idea to use workspaces to get rid of windows (especially in dynamic workspace arrangements), but rather to group windows according to activities. * Important background task: As it is a background task you don't want to have a window available at all times. Just don't tie the application lifetime to the lifetime of the primary window. If you need user-interaction (or want to make clear that the application is still running) use the notification spec in some way. I think the new extra emblems in the dash might also help here. So the application should fire a persistent notification on startup? That sounds a bit like notification-abuse, but I'd have to try it for a while. I know that these concepts are different from anything we did before. But hiding windows often means that the user really doesn't find the window anymore (Where did this window go?). Users have been taught to search for them in the tray. I'm sure there are better ways for that, but I'm doubtful that abusing the notification system or the workspaces (both of which have been designed for other purposes) is the way to go. I agree though that the empathy window is currently out-of-place in the GNOME shell design but it will likely just be merged into the overview in 3.2. But that's mostly because the chat stuff is integrated into the shell anyway now. Yes, I've been thinking about that too. Clearly, integrating things directly into the shell has its advantages, but also its risks. Former GNOME versions aimed at being welcoming to 3rd party applications. GNOME not only as a desktop, but also as a platform with base libraries and interface guidelines for anybody wanting to blend in. As I said before, probably discuss the overall design in #gnome-shell, they might have some other ideas. I'm currently only rarely able to do real-time communication (and even that only very slow), and hoped that Shell folks also followed this mailing list. In any case, I appreciate the comments I got :-) Holger ___ gnome-shell-list mailing list gnome-shell-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-shell-list
Re: 3rd party application integration guidelines - how to be a good shell citizen?
On Mon, 25 Apr 2011 00:21:34 +0100, Rui Tiago Cação Matos tiagoma...@gmail.com wrote: Applications that don't need to deal with live resources should just serialize their state to storage in such a way that the user can close the window at any time (even by mistake) but quickly launch it again and be at the *exact* same point where they were at the time the window as closed. Yes. A big help to get there would be native support for this directly in GTK+ for widgets where it makes sense. For applications that deal with live resources such as mail clients, they could be designed to be run headless i.e. when you close the window, the view (as in MVC) process goes away but the model (again, as in MVC) process remains running and able to make notifications, etc. Yes, but the question remains: How is a headless application represented in GNOME Shell? How does the user send an application to the background, given that the minimize button is gone? Is it really a good idea to go for the inconsistency and just not exit these applications on window close, but send them to the background instead? It is desirable to have some kind of feedback that the mail user agent is still living in the background, and that the user can expect to be notified of incomming mail? Or that Skype is still logged in, and the user is set up to receive incomming calls? I think it is. Traditionally, a tray icon has been used for this. Applications that minimize to tray are kind of headless already. Now, I agree that the tray has many problems, and better interfaces should be looked into. Unity and KDE decded to go for their indicators. I don't want to start a discussion whether the indicator design is good or not, but as a 3rd party application developer that wants to go the extra mile and blend into a desktop, I know what to do on GNOME 2, Unity, and KDE -- but not on GNOME 3. Which is unfortunate, as that's the platform I care about the most. Holger ___ gnome-shell-list mailing list gnome-shell-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-shell-list
