Re: Improvements to new system tray panel
On Mon, Oct 19, Bastián Díaz wrote: > El 19-10-2015 06:18, Olaf Hering escribió: > > >Am 19.10.2015 um 05:27 schrieb Bastián Díaz: > > > >>Hello, from 3.16 I like the design approach used to address the problem > >>of legacy tray icons. > >Do you actively use and _work_with_ applications which are now banned > >and discriminated due to that new "design"? And is that nervous little > >thing in the lower left corner really desgined or just quickly hacked up? > > Yes. This was an "or" question... > >One of the listed bugs mentions topicons. Does that really work out of > >the box? It does not for me. Merge the idea of what it does into the > >"GUI core" for the time being and publish it along with the core. > > I mentioned topicons as an extension, if you do not like the way gnome-shell > work. He will not be found out of the box, but it is easy to install. Its likely easy to install, but appearently it stopped working. Olaf ___ gnome-shell-list mailing list gnome-shell-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-shell-list
Re: Improvements to new system tray panel
On Mon, Oct 19, Sriram Ramkrishna wrote: > You know, we can't actually banned or discriminate against other apps? I'm > not > sure what you mean in this context? Logically, if we banned or discriminated > against these apps; we wouldn't be using them. :) They are banned from screen. And as a result the apps are unable to provide their visual feedback. Skype, Pidgin, likely others as well. > One of the listed bugs mentions topicons. Does that really work out of > the box? It does not for me. Merge the idea of what it does into the > "GUI core" for the time being and publish it along with the core. > > > Works for me, I've never had a problem with topicons. Although I have stopped > using and using the notifications. But I believe there can be a better story > there, my personal opinion. Which GNOME version do you use? Where did you get it from? Which topicons version do you use? Where did you get it from? Olaf ___ gnome-shell-list mailing list gnome-shell-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-shell-list
Re: Improvements to new system tray panel
El 19-10-2015 12:29, Florian Müllner escribió: On Mon, Oct 19, 2015 at 3:54 PM, Bastián Díaz wrote: Really I mean display the icon context menu in the system tray with a similar design to a popover (if it is a popover itself would be much better). Ah sorry, that wasn't clear to me. Unfortunately the answer is again that we cannot do that - all we do is pass an event to the (tray icon) window, it's up to the application again whether to react to it and how. OK. Thanks for your time. I guess it's best to ask the developers of these applications that can provide native notifications, and better support for keyboard navigation. Cheers -- Bastián Díaz ___ gnome-shell-list mailing list gnome-shell-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-shell-list
Re: Improvements to new system tray panel
On Mon, Oct 19, 2015 at 3:54 PM, Bastián Díaz wrote: > Really I mean display the icon context menu in the system tray with a > similar design to a popover (if it is a popover itself would be much > better). Ah sorry, that wasn't clear to me. Unfortunately the answer is again that we cannot do that - all we do is pass an event to the (tray icon) window, it's up to the application again whether to react to it and how. ___ gnome-shell-list mailing list gnome-shell-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-shell-list
Re: Improvements to new system tray panel
El 19-10-2015 06:18, Olaf Hering escribió: Am 19.10.2015 um 05:27 schrieb Bastián Díaz: Hello, from 3.16 I like the design approach used to address the problem of legacy tray icons. Do you actively use and _work_with_ applications which are now banned and discriminated due to that new "design"? And is that nervous little thing in the lower left corner really desgined or just quickly hacked up? Yes. Do it right. Make every app which happens to use the APIs a first-class citizen. Be a service and act in favour of such apps. Stop being a dictator and punish third party apps, and in the end the users of such apps. I'm trying to help make things better. One of the listed bugs mentions topicons. Does that really work out of the box? It does not for me. Merge the idea of what it does into the "GUI core" for the time being and publish it along with the core. I mentioned topicons as an extension, if you do not like the way gnome-shell work. He will not be found out of the box, but it is easy to install. -- Bastián Díaz ___ gnome-shell-list mailing list gnome-shell-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-shell-list
Re: Improvements to new system tray panel
El 19-10-2015 05:42, Florian Müllner escribió: On Mon, Oct 19, 2015 at 5:27 AM, Bastián Díaz wrote: 1. Show tray icon when an application is notified. Are you referring to applications that always show a status icons and change the icon to notify the user about some event? (For instance a chat program that uses the minimize-to-tray pattern and indicates new messages in the icon). Yes, like Telegram or Skype In that case yes, it would make sense to temporarily show the tray as we do when an icon is added to the tray. The problem is that tray icons are completely under application control (they are really just tiny application windows), so we simply don't know that the icon has changed. I feared a similar response. Unfortunately third-party applications have their own notification system and often do not see them and that forces me to keep the tray icon always visible. 2. Show contextual information status icon a popover-style design. in the window title/header bar by default. I'm really not sure what the suggestion is, but: - headerbars are part of the application, we can't change them from gnome-shell headerbars? - putting status icons in a popover will prevent them from opening a menu Really I mean display the icon context menu in the system tray with a similar design to a popover (if it is a popover itself would be much better). Cheers ___ gnome-shell-list mailing list gnome-shell-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-shell-list
Re: Improvements to new system tray panel
On Mon, Oct 19, 2015 at 2:24 AM Olaf Hering wrote: > Am 19.10.2015 um 05:27 schrieb Bastián Díaz: > > Hello, from 3.16 I like the design approach used to address the problem > > of legacy tray icons. > > Do you actively use and _work_with_ applications which are now banned > and discriminated due to that new "design"? And is that nervous little > thing in the lower left corner really desgined or just quickly hacked up? > > You know, we can't actually banned or discriminate against other apps? I'm not sure what you mean in this context? Logically, if we banned or discriminated against these apps; we wouldn't be using them. :) I can't comment on the traybar in the corner. I believe that was a stop gap measure for now. But one of the designers can comment on that. Do it right. Make every app which happens to use the APIs a first-class > citizen. Be a service and act in favour of such apps. Stop being a > dictator and punish third party apps, and in the end the users of such > apps. > That is what the HIG is far if you are a GNOME based app. Or are you referring to non-GNOME apps? There are of course limits to which GNOME will support them, but when it makes sense I believe GNOME tries to do that. > > One of the listed bugs mentions topicons. Does that really work out of > the box? It does not for me. Merge the idea of what it does into the > "GUI core" for the time being and publish it along with the core. > Works for me, I've never had a problem with topicons. Although I have stopped using and using the notifications. But I believe there can be a better story there, my personal opinion. sri > > > Olaf > ___ > gnome-shell-list mailing list > gnome-shell-list@gnome.org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-shell-list > ___ gnome-shell-list mailing list gnome-shell-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-shell-list
Re: Improvements to new system tray panel
Am 19.10.2015 um 05:27 schrieb Bastián Díaz: > Hello, from 3.16 I like the design approach used to address the problem > of legacy tray icons. Do you actively use and _work_with_ applications which are now banned and discriminated due to that new "design"? And is that nervous little thing in the lower left corner really desgined or just quickly hacked up? Do it right. Make every app which happens to use the APIs a first-class citizen. Be a service and act in favour of such apps. Stop being a dictator and punish third party apps, and in the end the users of such apps. One of the listed bugs mentions topicons. Does that really work out of the box? It does not for me. Merge the idea of what it does into the "GUI core" for the time being and publish it along with the core. Olaf ___ gnome-shell-list mailing list gnome-shell-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-shell-list
Re: Improvements to new system tray panel
On Mon, Oct 19, 2015 at 5:27 AM, Bastián Díaz wrote: > I have other notions from the user's perspective that could be useful I'm not sure I understand the suggestions, so please correct me if I got it wrong. > 1. Show tray icon when an application is notified. Are you referring to applications that always show a status icons and change the icon to notify the user about some event? (For instance a chat program that uses the minimize-to-tray pattern and indicates new messages in the icon). In that case yes, it would make sense to temporarily show the tray as we do when an icon is added to the tray. The problem is that tray icons are completely under application control (they are really just tiny application windows), so we simply don't know that the icon has changed. > 2. Show contextual information status icon a popover-style design. in the > window title/header bar by default. I'm really not sure what the suggestion is, but: - headerbars are part of the application, we can't change them from gnome-shell - putting status icons in a popover will prevent them from opening a menu ___ gnome-shell-list mailing list gnome-shell-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-shell-list
Improvements to new system tray panel
Hello, from 3.16 I like the design approach used to address the problem of legacy tray icons. I am now convinced that should not exist, but there are applications that use them for many reasons and we must give users a way to work with that. I have written some reports of improvement: https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=748622 https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=756757 I have other notions from the user's perspective that could be useful, but do not know the operating system icons and how viable are performing in gnome-shell. 1. Show tray icon when an application is notified. Some applications show a notification indicator in tray icon. It would be very useful to show the panel that happens every time (similar to the behavior when an open an application using the tray icon). 2. Show contextual information status icon a popover-style design. It is more aesthetic, but it helps to integrate this feature to the modern design of gnome. ---^ | xxx | --- If you believe it is possible, could generate new reports to improve monitoring. Finally, let me mention something that is distantly related to the operation of the tray icon, but can be useful. It would be interesting to hide the window when you double-click in the window title/header bar by default. Cheers -- Bastián Dḯaz ___ gnome-shell-list mailing list gnome-shell-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-shell-list
