RE: Window Focus
I think it feels bad because it sort of looks like the windows registry, it may make users afraid that they will break something. And I agree that when the option isn't in a [enduser] GUI it looks like you took stuff out, I also was about to scream when I couldn't see the option for do not raise on click on the tweak tool (I found it in gconf before I said anything). I think having an incomplete tweak tool also reinforces that, a user thinks the options in it are all that you get (for example, why not put all the window focus options, leaving some out make them look taken out). I understand the frustration you must get, Gnome Shell is not a 100% finished product yet, but it looks like it is for an enduser since it has no alpha, beta, RC tag. I believe this is mostly a marketing and understanding issue mostly, hang in there and thanks to all the developers for the good work! Gabriel From: gnome-shell-list-boun...@gnome.org [mailto:gnome-shell-list-boun...@gnome.org] On Behalf Of Sriram Ramkrishna Sent: 05 December 2011 05:27 To: Gantry York Cc: gnome-shell-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Window Focus On Sun, Dec 4, 2011 at 6:15 PM, Gantry York gantry.y...@digitascio.commailto:gantry.y...@digitascio.com wrote: I think if you make it hidden enough, it appears to be removed functionality. So after a little reading, I figured out that I have to install gconf-editor. OK, I get it. It's like the Windows Registry. It is NOTHING like the windows registry. GConf is simply a key/value pair with some magic to detect changes. I hate when peopel compare it with the windows regsitry. GConf/GSettings and everything else is just a pragmatic way to do to settings. We do the same things in text. When you do use go into some conf file and type: option=true then you're doing the same thing. The only difference is that we added a name space and added some formatting instructions to the input. Let's not keep propogating the same tribal untruths out there. Sorry, I get really irritated when I see GConf compared to the windows settings and have it's negativity applied to GConf. sri This email and any attachments are confidential and access to this email or attachment by anyone other than the addressee is unauthorised. If you are not the intended recipient please notify the sender and delete the email including any attachments. You must not disclose or distribute any of the contents to any other person. Personal views or opinions are solely those of the author and not of Trafigura. Trafigura does not guarantee that the integrity of this communication has been maintained nor that the communication is free of viruses, interceptions or interference. By communicating with anyone at Trafigura by email, you consent to the monitoring or interception of such email by Trafigura in accordance with its internal policies. Unless otherwise stated, any pricing information given in this message is indicative only, is subject to change and does not constitute an offer to deal at any price quoted. ___ gnome-shell-list mailing list gnome-shell-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-shell-list
RE: Window Focus
On Mon, 2011-12-05 at 08:16 +, Gabriel Rossetti wrote: I think it “feels bad” because it sort of looks like the windows registry, it may make users afraid that they will break something. And they can. :) And I agree that when the option isn’t in a [enduser] GUI it looks like you took stuff out, I also was about to scream when I couldn’t see the option for “do not raise on click” on the tweak tool (I found it in gconf before I said anything). I think having an incomplete tweak tool also reinforces that, a user thinks the options in it are all that you get (for example, why not put all the window focus options, leaving some out make them look taken out). I have to say ... http://git.gnome.org/browse/gnome-tweak-tool/tree/gtweak/tweaks/tweak_windows.py Tweak tool looks like something that it would be *very* easy to extend / submit patches to. ___ gnome-shell-list mailing list gnome-shell-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-shell-list
Window Focus
Would it be possible to have more configurabilty to the window focus? With the gnome-tweak tool, you can set the focus to be mouse over, but it also raises the window. It would be nice if there were two settings focus = click, focus, lazy raise on focus = true, false I don't understand why GNOME3 decided to take so much of the configurability out. -- Gantry S. York Digitascio, Inc ___ gnome-shell-list mailing list gnome-shell-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-shell-list
Re: Window Focus
On dom, 2011-12-04 at 17:07 -0700, Gantry York wrote: It would be nice if there were two settings focus = click, focus, lazy raise on focus = true, false Are you asking for removing options? There are currently three settings: focus-mode (click, sloppy or mouse) auto-raise (whether to raise windows automatically when focus-mode is sloppy or mouse) auto-raise-delay (milliseconds for auto-raise behavior) (depending on your shell version, those options are stored in GConf or GSettings) I don't understand why GNOME3 decided to take so much of the configurability out. Most options people like to complain about are actually there, see above. Not exposing every single option in System Settings does *not* mean taking away so much of the configurability. Florian ___ gnome-shell-list mailing list gnome-shell-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-shell-list
Re: Window Focus
I think if you make it hidden enough, it appears to be removed functionality. So after a little reading, I figured out that I have to install gconf-editor. OK, I get it. It's like the Windows Registry. Now I do a search for auto-raise (or auto_raise) and I see a bunch of different auto_raise keys. Some are associated with Metacity (I thought GNOME3 used Mutter); others are associated with Compiz. I'm guessing that I need to change /apps/metacity/general/focus_mode /apps/metacity/general/auto_raise I think it would be nice if the user didn't have to edit the GNOME Registry to have access to this bit of configuration. On 12/04/2011 05:22 PM, Florian Müllner wrote: On dom, 2011-12-04 at 17:07 -0700, Gantry York wrote: It would be nice if there were two settings focus = click, focus, lazy raise on focus = true, false Are you asking for removing options? There are currently three settings: focus-mode (click, sloppy or mouse) auto-raise (whether to raise windows automatically when focus-mode is sloppy or mouse) auto-raise-delay (milliseconds for auto-raise behavior) (depending on your shell version, those options are stored in GConf or GSettings) I don't understand why GNOME3 decided to take so much of the configurability out. Most options people like to complain about are actually there, see above. Not exposing every single option in System Settings does *not* mean taking away so much of the configurability. Florian ___ gnome-shell-list mailing list gnome-shell-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-shell-list -- Gantry S. York Digitascio, Inc ___ gnome-shell-list mailing list gnome-shell-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-shell-list
Re: Window Focus
On Sun, Dec 4, 2011 at 6:15 PM, Gantry York gantry.y...@digitascio.comwrote: I think if you make it hidden enough, it appears to be removed functionality. So after a little reading, I figured out that I have to install gconf-editor. OK, I get it. It's like the Windows Registry. It is NOTHING like the windows registry. GConf is simply a key/value pair with some magic to detect changes. I hate when peopel compare it with the windows regsitry. GConf/GSettings and everything else is just a pragmatic way to do to settings. We do the same things in text. When you do use go into some conf file and type: option=true then you're doing the same thing. The only difference is that we added a name space and added some formatting instructions to the input. Let's not keep propogating the same tribal untruths out there. Sorry, I get really irritated when I see GConf compared to the windows settings and have it's negativity applied to GConf. sri ___ gnome-shell-list mailing list gnome-shell-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-shell-list
