Re: [GNU-linux-libre] choosealicense.com fork with better wording, perhaps ?

2014-08-18 Thread John Sullivan
Riley Baird (Orthogonal) orthogo...@librewrt.org writes:

 On 05/08/14 12:10, Felipe Sanches wrote:
 Is there something similar to http://choosealicense.com/ but with language
 better aligned to the mission of the free software movement ?

 I don't know, but personally, I think that a fork over something like
 this would be a bad idea. We don't fork every program that uses the word
 Linux instead of GNU/Linux to refer to the operating system in its
 documentation, for example. If you're concerned about it, perhaps you
 could write to the maintainer and ask them to use neutral terms (e.g.
 FLOSS instead of OSS on their main page).



Well, there are a lot of other problems with the license chooser in
addition to that. It is pretty anti-copyleft. We submitted a patch to
fix the factual description of the GPL and it was rejected.

For example, the choice to present the GPL's protections as
restrictions/requirements is a loaded one.

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Re: [GNU-linux-libre] choosealicense.com fork with better wording, perhaps ?

2014-08-18 Thread Riley Baird
 Well, there are a lot of other problems with the license chooser in
 addition to that. It is pretty anti-copyleft. We submitted a patch to
 fix the factual description of the GPL and it was rejected.

What part of their description is untrue? This is all the information I
could find on the GPL on their website:

The GPL (V2 or V3) is a copyleft license that requires anyone who
distributes your code or a derivative work to make the source available
under the same terms. V3 is similar to V2, but further restricts use in
hardware that forbids software alterations.

Linux, Git, and WordPress use the GPL.

How to apply this license

Create a text file (typically named LICENSE or LICENSE.txt) in the root
of your source code and copy the text of the license into the file.

Note: The Free Software Foundation recommends taking the additional step
of adding a boilerplate notice to the top of each file. The boilerplate
can be found at the end of the license.

Required

Disclose Source
License and copyright notice
State Changes

Permitted

Commercial Use
Distribution
Modification
Patent Grant
Private Use

Forbidden

Hold Liable
Sublicensing

 For example, the choice to present the GPL's protections as
 restrictions/requirements is a loaded one.

I don't think that saying that the protections are requirements is
loaded language. For example, license and copyright notice is held to
be a requirement, and this is still listen as a requirement on the MIT
license's page. (That being said, there are some requirements of the GPL
which they do not list, e.g. 2a and 2c of GPLv2)



Re: [GNU-linux-libre] choosealicense.com fork with better wording, perhaps ?

2014-08-18 Thread Jason Self
Riley Baird asked:
 What part of their description is untrue?

One example: Presenting the anti-tivoization provisions in the GPLv3
as a restriction.

If you listen to Tom Preston-Werner's (GitHub co-founder) anti-GPL
keynote from OSCON his position on the GPL will become clear and
shouldn't be surprising that the website reflects this.