Re: [GNU-linux-libre] RLSD GNU/Linux-libre 2.x
fr33domlover writes: > On 2015-04-26 > "Jason Self" wrote: > >> fr33domlover asked: >> >> > What if a distro is not self-hosting, but can be built from another >> > fully free distro which is on the FSF's list of free distros? >> >> An exception to self-hosting is addressed in the GNU FSDG already. >> This was added for clarity due to LibreWRT, which targets embedded >> devices that don't have the resources to compile their own software. >> x86/x86_64 machines, in comparison, do. > > Yes, I'm aware of the exception, but it's for distros targetting only embedded > devices iirc. and embedded devices even have better specs than old pc hardware ;) -- :O signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [GNU-linux-libre] CAcert root certificate non-free?
hellekin writes:
> Not everybody needs to buy their peace of mind from a bank, but yes,
> everybody needs to have a safe user experience when it comes to SSL
> certificates. I don't think punishing CACert for not complying to
> corporate values makes it better for the users on the one hand, nor does
> it make it better for the community in general on the other hand to
> discard them. Or did I miss something?
+1
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[GNU-linux-libre] 99% libre meme
hi! there's a widely used meme here in argentina that says "it's ok to install and recommend convenience-focused distros because they're 99% libre", followed by "...since we can't get rid of that 1% just yet". since i've recently read it went up to 99.98% i decided to check how much this "proportion of unfreedomness" is. we discussed this on #parabola and for archlinux the proportion never went more than 97%, for instance: * 5714 packages from arch provided by parabola * 564 packages from arch being blacklisted from parabola From the latter: * 201 packages without libre replacements * 33 packages removed or replaced because of branding issues * 52 packages removed or replaced because they recommend unfree software or services so: * 479 packages blacklisted for being unfree themselves (not branding nor recommendations) gives: 479 * 100 / (479 + 5714) = 7.72 so according to this meme the correct thing to say about archlinux is that "it's 92.28% libre" :) would it be interesting for other distros to debunk this meme? -- http://endefensadelsl.org pgpmT1YNxsm4w.pgp Description: PGP signature
[GNU-linux-libre] secure skel
hi, thinking of how we need secure defaults in our distros i started a duraskel[0] repo inspired by duraconf[1]. the idea is to have default config files that enable secure features that aren't often there :) [0]: https://github.com/fauno/duraskel/tree/develop or http://repo.hackcoop.com.ar/fauno/duraskel.git/tree/?h=develop [1]: https://github.com/ioerror/duraconf -- P) pgpXxMDODMIEJ.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [GNU-linux-libre] [Dev] lxc-docker not built from source
Nicolás Reynolds writes: > fyi, apparently it hasn't been pushed as a package yet and arch devs > plan to fix it before releasing it. i'm reading at their site[0] that the program will download containers From their index[1] and it features ubuntu as the most downloaded one, and other unfree distros as well. on the positive side we could send them containers for all the libre distros :) [0]: https://www.docker.io/gettingstarted/ [1]: https://index.docker.io/ -- }(:= pgplvcLJDh7Dt.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [GNU-linux-libre] Volunteer needed to help create freedom filter on prism-break.org
Quiliro Ordóñez writes: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > El 09/10/13 12:38, Zak Rogoff escribió: >> >> We've gotten in touch with its maintainer, Peng Zhong. Peng is an >> interface designer that cares about free software, and wants to add a >> toggle filter to prism-break to show only projects that are up to the >> FSF's standards of freedom. >> > Found this: > https://github.com/nylira/prism-break >> Would one of you like to do this? We think you would be the right people >> for the job. It's fine if more than one person is interested, but I'd >> like to pick one person to be Peng's primary contact for this project. >> >> Thanks, and keep up the good work. > > Maybe Fauno (Parabola hacker) can help: > http://prism.hackcoop.com.ar/ :) related => https://github.com/nylira/prism-break/issues/348 -- }(:= pgp4EnEQPHUYK.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [GNU-linux-libre] Facilitating payments/contributions to developers
El 15/01/13 09:42, John Sullivan dijo:
> It would be nice if free distributions could support giving donations to
> the authors of their packages.
>
> The FSF could help with the backend of this (handling the money, etc),
> but code is needed for the frontend, which somehow tastefully and
> usefully presents users with this option, perhaps as part of the
> installation process.
>
> Ubuntu is doing something like this, where users can choose areas they
> want to see improved and give a corresponding contribution.
>
> Any thoughts about how this could be done, or know about any other
> places where it's already being done?
This is related to Jaromil's thread about adbard and a general question about
sustaining libre distributions, no?
BTW at Parabola we've been offered to split ad revenue with duckduckgo.com but
only for the nonfree javascript version :P
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Re: [GNU-linux-libre] [Parabola] Freedom issues in lame, cdrkit, SDL, foomatic-filters, freepascal, unzip
Henry Jensen writes: > Hello, > > a number of freedom bugs have been reported at the ConnochaetOS Bug > Report forum. > > It seems that all this bugs exists in many (if not most) other free > distros as well, which is why report them here, too. I also didn't found > this issues at > http://libreplanet.org/wiki/List_of_software_that_does_not_respect_the_Free_System_Distribution_Guidelines > > Personally I checked Parabola and Trisquel (couldn't locate BLAGs > source repo), but other free distros might very possible affected as > well. > > > lame > > http://www.connochaetos.org/forum/topic.php?id=1494 > > In lame-3.98.4/frontend/portableio.c > > * This code may be used and freely distributed as long as it > includes > * this copyright notice and the warranty information. > > So it can be used and distributed, but says nothing about being able to > modify it. > > Found in ConnochaetOS, Parabola and Trisquel I just confirmed the 3.99 release removed the portableio files http://lame.cvs.sourceforge.net/viewvc/lame/lame/frontend/portableio.c?view=log&pathrev=MAIN pgpMPB2ffkxYD.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [GNU-linux-libre] now that adbard is gone :^( the ad problem is back
On Fri, 30 Mar 2012 12:48:27 +0200, Jaromil wrote: > > re all, > > ok, at the risk of going a bit OT, I'll try to outline what comes > after 12 years of "living clean and let your work be seen" for those > who have not much money to live, nor want to become money rich in > their life, rather than dedicate it to sharing knowledge and free and > open source software. I'll invest more of my time in a longer article > about the topic and this thread is an interesting contribution to it. > > On Thu, 29 Mar 2012, Nicolás Reynolds wrote: > > > hi, just 0 cents: at parabola we haven't been accepting money > > donations, but people's time, and hosting space nor bandwidth have > > never been a real problem... never needed money i mean. maybe we can > > help you with this? > > It is not so simple what you are mentioning: it seems so if you just > boil it down to "host a website", but this is not exactly what it is. I must have misread you then. But still we have two servers running Parabola plus two more repository mirrors out of friends kindness. This way we never had to put money out of our pockets to sustain the project infrastructure. Not counting the electricity our build machines consume of course. > We are talking about a tribe relying on the interconnection of diverse > services used and administered by different people, which also implies > a network of trust regarding private materials hosted on a somehow > intertwined server fleet and long-term personal relationships built > across members taking care of it. > > And while at the beginning of 2000, about ten years ago, we had a > similar situation as yours, mostly thanks of public infrastructure and > academic support in EU, the situation is now changing for dyne.org. EU > is diving deep into depression, while the attempt of healing the > problems brought by neo-liberism with an insane injection of > ultra-liberism has the effect of shutting down most cultural funding. > > For example, the public institutions where I've worked part-time in > the past 6 years ( http://NIMk.nl ) had an 100% cut and we are all > fired now. Being a software developer myself (not just a distro maker, > which strangely enough might be somehow more rewarding as an activity > alone) I've brought forward some free software development you can see > here http://syncstarter.org and that I'm at least happy it won't sink > with the ship now, being free and open source and fairly well done. I understand completely, since neoliberalism was implanted here on the '90s and blew up 10 years ago. Now we have a sort of "progressive" rebound. > Our infrastructure had to slowly be bought commercially, expenses are > now about 100 EUR p/m and there is no way we can find gratuitous > hosting in a company where some of us works as we also did in the > past, because of the heavier traffic and because most people now work > in multinational corporations, rather than a small local business, and > these corporations usually like to support "big fishes" like Mozilla, > not us. > > [...] > > What I'd love to come out of this very useful discussion are concrete > proposals on how to avoid proprietary software ads (via Google or a > revived AdBard that actually works) as well ideas and visions on how > to support our development. > > Thanks for reading and offering your help already, but with all what > I've written I don't think InI need help. Its not help what's needed, > but definitely some constructive input and from the FSF as well. In > two close threads now we have read the advice to "put a link to the > FSF websidesite" (which BTW centralizes the donation flow, already > very centralized and not redistributed) and also "remove your ads"... > > looking forward to more constructive suggestions So if it's not about infrastructure, we're discussing about hacker wages and if it's possible to sustain our work with minimal compromise or having to divert our meager free time and money into it. I believe Trisquel is trying microfunding/crowdfunding alternatives but I have no idea how's that working out for them. Also, back on the economic crisis, a lot of good experiences came out of it. IIRC, we have ~10 free software coops now in Argentina, working with other coops and worker-owned factories :) -- ) pgp6qXCOgvRvq.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [GNU-linux-libre] Clementine music player
On Thu, 29 Mar 2012 12:43:19 -0300, Leo wrote: > On Thursday 29 March 2012 11:47 Nicolás Reynolds wrote: > > On Thu, 29 Mar 2012 21:30:16 +1100, Karl Goetz wrote: > > > Hi all, > > > I noticed an email on fedora-legal about the Clementine music player, > > > and I was wondering if someone had any direct experience with it. > > > > > > The relevant part of the mail is: > > > > The application uses Spotify's trademarks and their copyrighted logo > > > > and suggests that the user pull in a proprietary application called > > > > "Spotify Core" to use the feature. This effectively makes the feature > > > > a stub that pulls in proprietary software. > > > > > > Is Clementine in your distro? could you check if this is a general > > > problem, or just specific to fedora/their release ? > > > thanks, > > > kk > > > > we confirmed this on parabola (i installed it myself) and we > > blacklisted it, but apparently forgot to drop it here, sorry :| > > This anti-feature can be turned off at compile time. > A few days ago (before this thread was started) I was surprised to see it > blacklisted in Parabola so I read a bit about it. > > The spotify stuff can be disabled at build time with these flags: - > DENABLE_SPOTIFY=OFF -DENABLE_SPOTIFY_BLOB=OFF > > I think that's what Parabola did (I saw there's a Clementine-libre in the > repos). > > A thing that wasn't mentioned is that Clementine has some extras (background > tracks to play along with whatever audio file we're playing at the moment). > At > least one of these extras is licensed as CC Sampling+, which, as far as I > know, is nonfree. The extra I'm talking about is rainymood [0]. I don't know > if that can be disabled at compilation time. > > I actually think the rainymood idea is a cool one, so it's a bad thing about > the license. Also, Clementine is a really good music player, so it's a pity > that they do things like these that get it pulled out of distros. > > [0] http://www.rainymood.com/legal.php mmm no, but the source tarball should be cleaned up too. -- libertad! pgpowBDAXXLwz.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [GNU-linux-libre] Clementine music player
On Thu, 29 Mar 2012 21:30:16 +1100, Karl Goetz wrote: > Hi all, > I noticed an email on fedora-legal about the Clementine music player, > and I was wondering if someone had any direct experience with it. > > The relevant part of the mail is: > > > The application uses Spotify's trademarks and their copyrighted logo > > and suggests that the user pull in a proprietary application called > > "Spotify Core" to use the feature. This effectively makes the feature > > a stub that pulls in proprietary software. > > Is Clementine in your distro? could you check if this is a general > problem, or just specific to fedora/their release ? > thanks, > kk we confirmed this on parabola (i installed it myself) and we blacklisted it, but apparently forgot to drop it here, sorry :| -- D pgpOKYVBbZ2c3.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [GNU-linux-libre] now that adbard is gone :^( the ad problem is back
On Thu, 29 Mar 2012 21:16:57 +1100, Karl Goetz wrote: > On Fri, 23 Mar 2012 18:28:53 +0100 > Jaromil wrote: > > > > > re all, > > > > from a recent exchange with Jason about ads appearing on > > dynebolic.org and dyne.org pages, here comes an issue that we both > > think is worth and important to debate here: ads, indeed. > > Adverts suck :( I can see why they are a help though. If our hosting > came out of my/our pocket we'd have to do things very differently. hi, just 0 cents: at parabola we haven't been accepting money donations, but people's time, and hosting space nor bandwidth have never been a real problem... never needed money i mean. maybe we can help you with this? -- libertad! pgpWzrjkmvIrU.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [GNU-linux-libre] LibreWRT free distro?
On Tue, 6 Mar 2012 09:33:48 -0800, "Jason Self" wrote: > Ineiev asked: > > Is it self-hosting? > > I'm not sure that the self-hosting requirement makes sense in this case > because emedded devices typically do not have the resources to compile > their own software. It's usually done on a more capable system and then > copied to the device afterward. > > In the case of LibreWRT, everything can be built using only free software. > I start with Trisquel and a copy of the LibreWRT tarball. maybe we could package the building tools on parabola? pgpWUnsvGSJDB.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [GNU-linux-libre] LibreWRT free distro?
On Mon, 5 Mar 2012 16:24:06 -0800, k...@freefriends.org (Karl Berry) wrote: > Jason Self, Denver Gingerich, and others have been developing LibreWRT, > a free distro of a rather different sort -- building an image that gets > flashed onto a router or whatever. I think it may have been mentioned > on this list already. > > Jason and I were talking about it recently. I'll append the info from > him. > > It uses linux-libre and otherwise meets the usual criteria, as far as I > can see. There are a few stalenesses on the web site but I don't see > any stoppers. > > Comments, considerations, thoughts? > > karl +1 for me pgp3ernS8NB3J.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [GNU-linux-libre] ConnochaetOS
On Wed, 25 Jan 2012 15:03:00 -0800 (PST), "Jason Self" wrote: > Has anyone else taken a look at this GNU/Linux distribution? It took me > longer > than I had planned but I eventually made my way through all of the > ConnochaetOS > packages and I think that the meet the FSF's criteria at this point. The > exception is calling themselves "open source" rather than free software but > RMS > said on this list that "we don't make upholding our political views a > condition > of our endorsement." > > http://lists.nongnu.org/archive/html/gnu-linux-libre/2011-08/msg00059.html +1 :D pgpfK6vAp4s3I.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [GNU-linux-libre] virtual private servers that can run a free distribution
El 07/11/11 10:43, Ward Vandewege dijo: > Hi all, > > We have started a page on the LibrePlanet wiki with a list of providers that > offer Virtual Private Servers (VPS) for rent. > > http://libreplanet.org/wiki/Group:VPS > > The idea is to compile a list of providers, identifying those where one can > run a free distribution and how easy it is to do so. It would also be helpful > to know which providers make it impossible or difficult to run a free > distribution so that we know who to avoid. > > Feel free to add entries to the list. Hi, good iniciative! A few weeks ago a Parabola user asked Gandi.net to support free distros but he didn't succeed. Maybe if we put up a campaign for it :P Last week we were informed a VPS host is offering Parabola images, I'll post the info on the wiki. -- Salud! Nicolás Reynolds, xmpp:fa...@kiwwwi.com.ar omb:http://identi.ca/fauno OTR: C0CB1F0F 01DB5E18 2D634C2A A4626858 E7C7C3A2 http://parabolagnulinux.org http://endefensadelsl.org "Freedom [...] is messy" ~ Eben Moglen pgpzjQ6wbD3zp.pgp Description: PGP signature
[GNU-linux-libre] Thunderbird 6.0+ doesn't allow extension URL modification
Hi, the update from thunderbird 3 to 7 is late at Parabola because we can't find a way to modify the extension URL[1] to not show the default recommended addons page. If you know how to do it please do, otherwise you can vote up this question[0] so thunderbird devs can see it. [0]: http://getsatisfaction.com/mozilla_messaging/topics/modify_extensions_url [1]: https://bugs.parabolagnulinux.org/bugs/issue204 -- Salud! Nicolás Reynolds, xmpp:fa...@kiwwwi.com.ar omb:http://identi.ca/fauno OTR: C0CB1F0F 01DB5E18 2D634C2A A4626858 E7C7C3A2 http://parabolagnulinux.org http://endefensadelsl.org "Freedom [...] is messy" ~ Eben Moglen pgpPd1oRDZnA1.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [GNU-linux-libre] Freedom issues in lame, cdrkit, SDL, foomatic-filters, freepascal, unzip
El 05/09/11 07:15, Henry Jensen dijo: > Hello, > > so far I fixed the found bugs in ConnochaetOS. I post the results what was > done in order to give other free distros a hint. > > > cdrkit > > == > > http://www.connochaetos.org/forum/topic.php?id=1493 > > removed apple_driver.* and README.hfs_boot, created > http://www.connochaetos.org/os/src/cdrkit-libre-1.1.11-2.src.tar.xz > > > > SDL > > === > > http://www.connochaetos.org/forum/topic.php?id=1492 > > Removed src/video/fbcon/riva_mmio.h, created > http://www.connochaetos.org/os/src/sdl-libre-1.2.14-7.src.tar.xz > > > foomatic-filters > > > > http://www.connochaetos.org/forum/topic.php?id=1491 > > Removed test/lsbfuncs.sh, test/shfuncs.sh, test/tcm.sh, test/tetapi.sh, > created > http://www.connochaetos.org/os/src/foomatic-filters-libre-4.0.9-2.src.tar.xz > > > Freepascal (fpc) > > > > http://www.connochaetos.org/forum/topic.php?id=1490 > > Unfortunately I wasn't able to build fpc without the suspicious files, > removed fpc from the repo until this is fixed otherwise. > > >lame > > > >http://www.connochaetos.org/forum/topic.php?id=1494 > > Removed lame-3.98.4/frontend/portableio.*, created > http://www.connochaetos.org/os/src/lame-libre-3.98.4-3.src.tar.xz > Note that the frontend won't build, so the libre binary package > contains only the library. > > I forgot to include the discription of the issue with unzip in the first > post: > > unzip > = > http://www.connochaetos.org/forum/topic.php?id=1489 > > found this clause in the file match.c: > > Permission is granted to any individual or institution to use, copy, > or redistribute this software so long as all of the original files > are included unmodified, that it is not sold for profit, and that > this copyright notice is retained. > > This could be read as not permitting modification, since it only talks > about using, copying and redistributing. Also, a free program must be > available for commercial use, commercial development, and commercial > distribution. > > Fixed it by replacing unzip with p7zip and creating a "stub" unzip > relacement , which is simply created by > > echo '/usr/bin/7z x $@' > /usr/bin/unzip > > (Surely needs some improvement). > > Regards, > > Henry > > blacklisted, we're working on the replacements :) -- Salud! Nicolás Reynolds, xmpp:fa...@kiwwwi.com.ar omb:http://identi.ca/fauno OTR: C0CB1F0F 01DB5E18 2D634C2A A4626858 E7C7C3A2 http://parabolagnulinux.org http://endefensadelsl.org "Freedom [...] is messy" ~ Eben Moglen pgpTgIuSsPndb.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [GNU-linux-libre] Not free complety software, why other support nonfree os and related? umm extrano e ilogico..
El 26/07/11 10:57, PICCORO McKAY Lenz dijo: > *ENGLISH--* > I have been researching and viewing the list of software that is not > free (vague and poorly made from Ubuntu the most obvious to the naked > eye), and the premise is that if software quote, or references > or supports/recomends/run proprietary software, is considered non-free. > In this last detail, why most of free software in mayority supports, why, > why that software compile and run most of them on windows and mac? > > /gtreamer/ is shown not only as free software, by [1]LibrePlanet lists, > but also shown as an innovator software! I have understood that it > supports, runs and is even more downloaded for Windows, then thisis > not logical, this software supports platforms that support non-free > software such as Windows or Mac (the OS is also a  software ok)? It's > a reverse case, if we live in shadow behind non-free systems, never do > get this free as thinking ideology ahead .. > > LibreOffice supports non-free formats!!!, and supports saving on > them!!!, and its a great support too better in most cases!!!, also is > placed on top of free software? then there is ambiguity, right! I think > that the [2]list and policies that [3]exclude software are extremely > inflexible, or rarely suitable for "someones" others  .. *Libre > office can support formats that are not free but firefox **can not do ii > on **plugins? interesting ! ohh well free hell yeah! for me or who?* > > Obviously, if windozers not used and download not reach/know them as > software right?, so there is obviously a political/independient item > here .. and smelling like convenience for relationship between developers > and business negociates!! I don't understand your point... -- Salud! Nicolás Reynolds, xmpp:fa...@kiwwwi.com.ar omb:http://identi.ca/fauno OTR: C0CB1F0F 01DB5E18 2D634C2A A4626858 E7C7C3A2 http://parabolagnulinux.org http://endefensadelsl.org "Freedom [...] is messy" ~ Eben Moglen pgpY1kzozOma4.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [GNU-linux-libre] Trademark licenses, example in Firefox
El 22/07/11 01:07, Quiliro Ordóñez dijo: > El 22/07/11 12:37, Diego Saravia escribió: > > > >> source of linux libre is linux, and is not free > >> source of icecat is firefox and we are seeing that is not free > > > >Source of Linux-libre is Linux-libre, completely free: > >http://www.fsfla.org/svnwiki/selibre/linux- > >libre/download/releases/LATEST-2.6.39.0/linux-2.6.39-libre.tar.bz2 > > > >Source of GNU IceCat, again completely free: > >http://ftp.gnu.org/gnu/gnuzilla/5.0/icecat-5.0.tar.bz2 > > > > > > > >that files are not sources, sources are in linux project and > >mozilla proyects. Linuxlibre and ice-cat are usefull, to aloud > >people to use only free software without restrictions, to know > >what happens in each machine (blobs) (if they have the hardware) or > >to aloud to sell software, but they don' t provide sources. They > >provide a sub product of the real sources, that are not free. A > >restricted set of software that is free. > > > >these files are modified by hand or in automatic way (like kernel > >in ututo), bur are not sources > > > >call them sources is like call sources a grammar in c produced by > >yacc/bisson > > > >there are not legaly sources, and is not a good idea to think of > >them as a new project, becouse the people that really do the code > >are not in linux-libre nor in ice cat project. They are not new > >projects, nor forks, and continue to be that way, each new version > >is constructed from a new version of the very sources. Only one > >criterion: remove non free, restrict the universo of machines to > >the one in wich only free soft. could be run. > > > Could you write this in Spanish? The text is not clear. I think Diego means there's no source history nor hacker community but a subset of it's product; the same critique that was done when the directory of free OOo extensions was made, or the end impression people has when we do this. Doesn't freedom count as added value? Either way, lxoliva was working on importing development history of linux-libre from linux's git tree, and there was a discussion here on how to implement it. -- Salud! Nicolás Reynolds, xmpp:fa...@kiwwwi.com.ar omb:http://identi.ca/fauno OTR: C0CB1F0F 01DB5E18 2D634C2A A4626858 E7C7C3A2 http://parabolagnulinux.org http://endefensadelsl.org "Freedom [...] is messy" ~ Eben Moglen pgp189hgLIz78.pgp Description: PGP signature
[GNU-linux-libre] Free ARM plugs?
Hi, since ARM plug devices are gaining popularity and a new Arch port for ARM appeared, at Parabola we wonder if there's a list of them that are fully supported by GNU/Linux-libre, or at least are functional. Do you know of any we can recommend? -- Salud! Nicolás Reynolds, xmpp:fa...@kiwwwi.com.ar omb:http://identi.ca/fauno OTR: C0CB1F0F 01DB5E18 2D634C2A A4626858 E7C7C3A2 http://parabolagnulinux.org http://endefensadelsl.org "Freedom [...] is messy" ~ Eben Moglen pgpnbEssnXdwz.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [GNU-linux-libre] Screenshots Of Free Distros In Action
El 13/07/11 03:54, Karl Goetz dijo: > On Tue, 12 Jul 2011 00:34:59 -0400 > Jason Self wrote: > > > Right now gnu.org has a screenshot of Trisquel on the front page. > > Perhaps it could be done a little differently to help promote free > > distros (I'm open to feedback about any of this): > > Its a nice idea :) > > > (1) when a free distro makes a release, gnu.org could show a > > screenshot "for a while", with a note that they just made a new > > release. > > > > (2) every so often -- every month? every quarter? -- a different > > screenshot could be swapped in. So the new-release screenshot > > won't stick around forever. > > Assuming there wasn't a new distro to 'feature' every month, would you > simply swap in an old/repeat one? > > > (3) there could be a link to "gallery of free distro screenshots" > > so people can peruse them all, just for fun. > > > > I'm writing to request screenshots from those who want to participate. > > > > They don't need to be GUI-ified. It wouldn't necessarily be bad to > > show an Emacs window or shell or whatever once in a while. :) > > I'm happy to try and do up some screenshots for gNS if desired. > thanks, I can contribute with some of the loongson port, and I guess the default tty and several DEs can be there too :) -- Salud! Nicolás Reynolds, xmpp:fa...@kiwwwi.com.ar omb:http://identi.ca/fauno OTR: C0CB1F0F 01DB5E18 2D634C2A A4626858 E7C7C3A2 http://parabolagnulinux.org http://endefensadelsl.org "Freedom [...] is messy" ~ Eben Moglen pgpvjeVsW3kSy.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [GNU-linux-libre] Liferea recommends unfree browsers (patch)
El 24/06/11 11:23, Karl Goetz dijo: > On Thu, 23 Jun 2011 13:28:31 -0300 > Nicolás Reynolds wrote: > > > Hi, yesterday we got a report[0] about liferea 1.6.5 recommending > > Opera and Firefox (screenshot on the bug report). > > > > [0] https://bugs.parabolagnulinux.org/bugs/issue144 > > > > could you add this to the libreplanet wiki on the NONFSDG page? http://libreplanet.org/wiki/List_of_software_that_does_not_respect_the_Free_System_Distribution_Guidelines#liferea -- Salud! Nicolás Reynolds, xmpp:fa...@kiwwwi.com.ar omb:http://identi.ca/fauno OTR: C0CB1F0F 01DB5E18 2D634C2A A4626858 E7C7C3A2 http://parabolagnulinux.org http://endefensadelsl.org pgpSaQ30ynWIs.pgp Description: PGP signature
[GNU-linux-libre] Liferea recommends unfree browsers (patch)
Hi, yesterday we got a report[0] about liferea 1.6.5 recommending Opera and Firefox (screenshot on the bug report). [0] https://bugs.parabolagnulinux.org/bugs/issue144 -- Salud! Nicolás Reynolds, xmpp:fa...@kiwwwi.com.ar omb:http://identi.ca/fauno OTR: C0CB1F0F 01DB5E18 2D634C2A A4626858 E7C7C3A2 http://parabolagnulinux.org http://endefensadelsl.org pgpbp4AOrSFoc.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [GNU-linux-libre] NONFSDG: Audacity, Free Abuse extensions
El 19/06/11 04:54, Sam Geeraerts dijo: > Nicolás Reynolds wrote: > >El 04/06/11 11:02, Sam Geeraerts dijo: > >>Two more entries for the NONFSDG list, with thanks to Jason Self. > >> > >>* Audacity: one file in the Nyquist plugin has a non-commercial clause [1]. > > > >Audacious 2.5.1 doesn't contain libnyquist nor any mention to commercial > >distribution :) > > While adding to the NONFSDG list, I noticed that you were talking > about different software. The problem is with Audacity, not > Audacious. Agh! I misread, we'll check audacity then. -- Salud! Nicolás Reynolds, xmpp:fa...@kiwwwi.com.ar omb:http://identi.ca/fauno OTR: C0CB1F0F 01DB5E18 2D634C2A A4626858 E7C7C3A2 http://parabolagnulinux.org http://endefensadelsl.org pgp7I9SheuacT.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [GNU-linux-libre] dyne:bolic 3.0 beta1 - comments welcome!
El 17/06/11 08:59, Sam Geeraerts dijo: > Jose E. Marchesi wrote: > >Our script [1] for the Debian based gNewSense version may be of > >interest. It comes down to creating a full mirror and then deleting > >all blacklisted packages. > > > >Would be very good to summarize all the existing solutions for scanning > >non-free software, and then to try to build a common database. > > You mean like page on LibrePlanet with links to every script/tool and > a short summary of how it works (like I did above)? > > >It looks like this is one of those cases where the same work is > >repeated again and again and again... > > It's true that we (well, I at least) should look more at what's going > on in other (free) distros [1]. On the other hand, various distros > use different package formats and package/repo tools, so (as Karl > already said) a one size fits all (or even some) solution is hard. > Perhaps the AppStream project [2] (e.g. debtags and Xapian indexing) > and distromatch [3] can make it easier to work together in this area. > I haven't looked at them in much detail yet. I believe most package names match between distros... -- Salud! Nicolás Reynolds, xmpp:fa...@kiwwwi.com.ar omb:http://identi.ca/fauno blog:http://selfdandi.com.ar/ gnu/linux user #455044 OTR: C0CB1F0F 01DB5E18 2D634C2A A4626858 E7C7C3A2 http://parabolagnulinux.org http://endefensadelsl.org pgppNU0CTRvWL.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [GNU-linux-libre] dyne:bolic 3.0 beta1 - comments welcome!
El 16/06/11 09:54, Jaromil dijo: > > hi Rubén, > > On Thu, 16 Jun 2011, Rubén Rodríguez wrote: > > > > the new dyne:III - the third series of dyne:bolic development, has > > > reached its beta status and is getting ready to go public! > > > > > > if you have time please let us know about your experience with > > > > I don't have much so I didn't test it in deep, but at first sight > > thanks for taking the time! > > i'll reply with some questions, consider i'm kinda new to apt and can use > well some advice. see if anyone here has ideas and time to spare > > > * It comes with third party repositories enabled by default, including > > ubuntu and medibuntu, which both contain many non-free packages. > > yes, i guess its fine if i just remove the repository entry then. > > i was wondering and initially started to mirror all karmic repo and then > planned to delete packages from it, yet i have not much space on my server so > that's not a good idea. > > > * Installing linux-image or any other kernel flavour replaces the default > > linux-libre with the vanilla kernel, complete with firmware. > > this should also be solved by the solution above, to remove the ubuntu repo. > no need for updates. > > > * It comes with a package called "non-free-codecs" preinstalled. > > gosh! i've used some grepping and vrms yet this was incomplete. > > would be nice to have a script that checks presence of packages, i'll produce > this as development progresses > > > * It comes with "jockey", an utility to install proprietary drivers. > > double gosh > > > * The official repository seems to lack the source code for most of the > > binaries on the live cd. > > i guess i need to refine my reprepro recipe to mirror sources? going to > check that. > > yet the main way to distribute code for d:b will be via phisical media. Isn't there a create-libre-repo script for debian-like repos? We have Parabola's here[0] and it depends on this blacklist format[1] :) [0] https://projects.parabolagnulinux.org/dbscripts.git/ [1] http://repo.parabolagnulinux.org/docs/blacklist.txt (unfree package:free replacment:reason) -- Salud! Nicolás Reynolds, xmpp:fa...@kiwwwi.com.ar omb:http://identi.ca/fauno blog:http://selfdandi.com.ar/ gnu/linux user #455044 OTR: C0CB1F0F 01DB5E18 2D634C2A A4626858 E7C7C3A2 http://parabolagnulinux.org http://endefensadelsl.org pgpMmNnvxegGU.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [GNU-linux-libre] NONFSDG: Audacity, Free Abuse extensions
El 04/06/11 11:02, Sam Geeraerts dijo: > Two more entries for the NONFSDG list, with thanks to Jason Self. > > * Audacity: one file in the Nyquist plugin has a non-commercial clause [1]. > * Free Abuse extensions: the "Claudio" add-ons don't allow > distribution and only non-commercial use [2]. > > I'll add them to the list if there are no objections. > > [1] https://savannah.nongnu.org/bugs/index.php?33410 > [2] https://savannah.nongnu.org/bugs/?33450 Hi, abuse is blacklisted on Parabola now until we have abuse-libre. Audacious 2.5.1 doesn't contain libnyquist nor any mention to commercial distribution :) -- Salud! Nicolás Reynolds, xmpp:fa...@kiwwwi.com.ar omb:http://identi.ca/fauno blog:http://selfdandi.com.ar/ gnu/linux user #455044 OTR: C0CB1F0F 01DB5E18 2D634C2A A4626858 E7C7C3A2 http://parabolagnulinux.org http://endefensadelsl.org pgpCDdRDrH3ZY.pgp Description: PGP signature
[GNU-linux-libre] Browser plugins Fwd: Plugin Finder Service and Flash
I just found this email from IceCat list. Epiphany was also reported as
showing the message, but it looked like a site's javascript popup.
- Forwarded message from Christophe Jarry
-
> Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2010 14:14:20 +0100 From: Christophe Jarry
> To: bug-gnuzi...@gnu.org Subject: Plugin
> Finder Service and Flash X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.5.0 (GTK+ 2.12.12;
> mipsel-unknown-linux-gnu)
>
> Dear developers and users,
>
> I am trying to fix a freedom bug I have with galeon 2.0.6 web browser on
> gNewSense metad: it proposes to download proprietary plugins [1]. The
> problem seems to come from the Plugin Finder Service (PFS) in xulrunner
> (version 1.9.0.19 here). More precisely, from the file
> "browser/app/profile/firefox.js", at this line:
>
> pref("pfs.datasource.url","https://pfs.mozilla.org/plugins/
> PluginFinderService.php?mimetype=%PLUGIN_MIMETYPE%&appID=%APP_ID%
> &appVersion=%APP_VERSION%&clientOS=%CLIENT_OS%
> &chromeLocale=%CHROME_LOCALE%&appRelease=%APP_RELEASE%");
>
> Looking at IceCat's code, that line has been replaced by this one:
>
> pref("pfs.datasource.url","http://gnuzilla.gnu.org/plugins/
> PluginFinderService.php?mimetype=%PLUGIN_MIMETYPE%&appID=%APP_ID%
> &appVersion=%APP_VERSION%&clientOS=%CLIENT_OS%
> &chromeLocale=%CHROME_LOCALE%&appRelease=%APP_RELEASE%");
>
> In my attempt to fix that freedom bug, I successfully built a .deb
> package by merging SVN IceCat changes [2] to xulrunner-1.9.0.19 source
> code I got from debian [3]. I then replaced xulrunner on my system with
> my packaged version. I reinstalled Galeon which now uses my packaged
> version of xulrunner but still have the freedom bug. Below are some of
> the issues I encounter.
>
> 1. If I visit
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xGlfUhtB02I&feature=hp_SLN_curated&list=SL,
> the "plugin popup" appears and a click on "OK" redirects to
> http://plugindoc.mozdev.org/winmime.html?application/x-shockwave-flash,
> which is a blank page. Its source code reads:
>
> 'php', $input); header("HTTP/1.1 301 Moved Permanently");
> header("Location: http://plugindoc.mozdev.org$var";);
>
> } ?>
>
> 2. If I visit http://www.adobe.com/software/flash/about/, the "plugin
> popup" redirects me to
> http://get.adobe.com/flashplayer/?application/x-shockwave-flash this
> time.
>
> I think users should always be redirected to
> http://www.gnu.org/software/gnash/ instead.
>
> Moreover, I would like to know if IceCat users have the same (1. and 2.)
> problems that I have.
>
> Christophe
>
> [1] http://savannah.nongnu.org/bugs/?30027 [2]
> svn://svn.savannah.gnu.org/gnuzilla/trunk/icecat [3]
> http://security.debian.org/debian-security/pool/updates/main/x/xulrunner/
>
> -- http://gnuzilla.gnu.org
>
- End forwarded message -
--
Salud!
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Re: [GNU-linux-libre] [Parabola MIPS Port] Update and current status
El 22/03/11 08:50, Karl Goetz dijo: > > P.S: Someone generous can donate a Lemote to develop a port in > > Dragora?. > > > > Regards, > > Matias. > > Remote shell access can be arranged, if that will help? can we have access too? :) -- Salud! Nicolás Reynolds, xmpp:fa...@kiwwwi.com.ar omb:http://identi.ca/fauno blog:http://selfdandi.com.ar/ gnu/linux user #455044 OTR: C0CB1F0F 01DB5E18 2D634C2A A4626858 E7C7C3A2 http://parabolagnulinux.org http://endefensadelsl.org pgppAhmAdyXar.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [GNU-linux-libre] chromium not free?
El 23/03/11 05:17, Daniel Olivera dijo: > El 23/03/11 17:04, Rubén Rodríguez escribió: > > > >>> Do you know where to find a chromium source tarball which is > >>> verified free software? > >> > >> Please try in "super secret" site at www.chromium.org > >> You can download alse an svn copy for developers at src.chromium.org > > > > So, either you verified that those sources are free software or you > > think there is no reason to doubt the upstream licensor about it. > > > > Since Debian people did check the contents of those sources and wrote > > the longest and most untrustworthy copyright file ever, I'm guessing you > > did the latter. > > > > May I ask if you do that with every package, and if that is the reason > > for leaving blobs inside UTUTO's kernel? They say is GPL2 after all. > > Saludos a todos esta lista me canso. > Una mas > > No se es mejor porque el otro sea peor. > Se es mejor porque se crean mejores cosas. > > El software libre da asco en la actualidad, sobre todos quienes se auto > nombran para el "consejo de sabios" > Que yo sepa el SL es para crear espacios de libertad. > > Por si no sabian la inquisicion termino hace 500 años. > Alla ustedes con esta lista que no aporta nada. > > Yo me retiro. Me parece que hizo preguntas que vale la pena responder, aunque el tono del hilo haya subido bastante. -- Salud! Nicolás Reynolds, xmpp:fa...@kiwwwi.com.ar omb:http://identi.ca/fauno blog:http://selfdandi.com.ar/ gnu/linux user #455044 OTR: C0CB1F0F 01DB5E18 2D634C2A A4626858 E7C7C3A2 http://parabolagnulinux.org http://endefensadelsl.org pgphrr8DAPv1i.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [Parabola] [GNU-linux-libre] [Parabola MIPS Port] Update and current status
El 21/03/11 08:16, Quiliro Ordóñez dijo: > El 18/03/11 22:44, Nicolás Reynolds escribió: > >Hi, just wanted to let you know what's the status of the Parabola port to > >the MIPS architecture, optimized for loongson2f (Lemote machines). In case > >you don't know, we have to rebuild all of Parabola packages from the > >ground up. > > > >We have almost all [core] working, and a bootable system that's usable and > >stable. We also have a native toolchain provided by wobsite! > > > >Wobsite is also attending at LibrePlanet 2011, that starts today, so if > >you meet him there he can tell you all the funny and not so funny stories > >of the porting work :) > > > >I think we'll soon have an installable medium. Right now, if you have a > >Lemote machine you can untar this archive[0], which contains the base and > >base-devel groups needed to boot and start packaging. > > > > > >[0] http://repo.parabolagnulinux.org/mips64el/base.tar.gz > > > This si great. Congratulations! A big thank you to all Parabola team > for making this world have more freedom. > > Is there a howto for people who want to try it? http://wiki.parabolagnulinux.org/mips:installation :) -- Salud! Nicolás Reynolds, xmpp:fa...@kiwwwi.com.ar omb:http://identi.ca/fauno blog:http://selfdandi.com.ar/ gnu/linux user #455044 OTR: C0CB1F0F 01DB5E18 2D634C2A A4626858 E7C7C3A2 http://parabolagnulinux.org http://endefensadelsl.org pgpei5OtqAICq.pgp Description: PGP signature
[GNU-linux-libre] [Parabola MIPS Port] Update and current status
Hi, just wanted to let you know what's the status of the Parabola port to the MIPS architecture, optimized for loongson2f (Lemote machines). In case you don't know, we have to rebuild all of Parabola packages from the ground up. We have almost all [core] working, and a bootable system that's usable and stable. We also have a native toolchain provided by wobsite! Wobsite is also attending at LibrePlanet 2011, that starts today, so if you meet him there he can tell you all the funny and not so funny stories of the porting work :) I think we'll soon have an installable medium. Right now, if you have a Lemote machine you can untar this archive[0], which contains the base and base-devel groups needed to boot and start packaging. [0] http://repo.parabolagnulinux.org/mips64el/base.tar.gz -- Salud! Nicolás Reynolds, xmpp:fa...@kiwwwi.com.ar omb:http://identi.ca/fauno blog:http://selfdandi.com.ar/ gnu/linux user #455044 OTR: C0CB1F0F 01DB5E18 2D634C2A A4626858 E7C7C3A2 http://parabolagnulinux.org http://endefensadelsl.org pgpcDpDxN83gW.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [Parabola] [GNU-linux-libre] Current version of poppler-data is BSD
El 18/03/11 07:39, Sam Geeraerts dijo: > Nicolás Reynolds wrote: > >It seems that poppler-data has changed license since 2009 [0] > > > >I've checked the headers of all files on poppler-data[1] and they are > >distributed under the modified BSD license as advertised by the > >COPYING.adobe file. > > Great news. > > >I think it can be removed from the unfree software list [2]. > > I think we never discussed how long software should be kept on the > list after the issue is resolved. The lifetime of a distribution's > release seems to commonly be around 3 years or less, so I suggest 3 > years. > > Please update the wiki page with the information about the license change. > > >[0] http://lists.debian.org/debian-legal/2009/09/msg00039.html > >[1] http://poppler.freedesktop.org/poppler-data-0.4.4.tar.gz > >[2] http://libreplanet.org/wiki/Software_blacklist#poppler_CMap_data_files Updated the wiki. -- Salud! Nicolás Reynolds, xmpp:fa...@kiwwwi.com.ar omb:http://identi.ca/fauno blog:http://selfdandi.com.ar/ gnu/linux user #455044 OTR: C0CB1F0F 01DB5E18 2D634C2A A4626858 E7C7C3A2 http://parabolagnulinux.org http://endefensadelsl.org pgpySvsOlZIOE.pgp Description: PGP signature
[GNU-linux-libre] Current version of poppler-data is BSD
It seems that poppler-data has changed license since 2009 [0] I've checked the headers of all files on poppler-data[1] and they are distributed under the modified BSD license as advertised by the COPYING.adobe file. I think it can be removed from the unfree software list [2]. [0] http://lists.debian.org/debian-legal/2009/09/msg00039.html [1] http://poppler.freedesktop.org/poppler-data-0.4.4.tar.gz [2] http://libreplanet.org/wiki/Software_blacklist#poppler_CMap_data_files -- Salud! Nicolás Reynolds, xmpp:fa...@kiwwwi.com.ar omb:http://identi.ca/fauno blog:http://selfdandi.com.ar/ gnu/linux user #455044 OTR: C0CB1F0F 01DB5E18 2D634C2A A4626858 E7C7C3A2 http://parabolagnulinux.org http://endefensadelsl.org pgpnNXaDBLW3b.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [GNU-linux-libre] IRC Channel?
El 02/02/11 04:32, Nicolás Reynolds dijo: > Hi all, > What do you think on this? > > samgee: fauno, iirc, when gnu-linux-libre started it was said that > #gnewsense-dev would be the IRC channel "for now", but I believe > it was never used for that and none of the other distro people > hang out there. > fauno: samgee: should we create one? > samgee: fauno, dunno, maybe ##distros can serve that purpose too. It's > supposed to be the inter-distro channel, but it's been all silent > since I joined somewhere in summer, iirc. > samgee: If nobody's using it anyway, we might as well hijack it for > inter-free-distro talk. :) > fauno: channel hijacking \o/ > fauno: samgee: i'll send a mail to the list > samgee: ok > fauno: samgee: should i paste this snip of log? > samgee: Fine by me. for clarification: a channel to lurk on and get together and talk (casually). -- Salud! Nicolás Reynolds, xmpp:fa...@kiwwwi.com.ar omb:http://identi.ca/fauno blog:http://selfdandi.com.ar/ gnu/linux user #455044 http://parabolagnulinux.org http://endefensadelsl.org pgpMdxrLDBl2n.pgp Description: PGP signature
[GNU-linux-libre] IRC Channel?
Hi all, What do you think on this? samgee: fauno, iirc, when gnu-linux-libre started it was said that #gnewsense-dev would be the IRC channel "for now", but I believe it was never used for that and none of the other distro people hang out there. fauno: samgee: should we create one? samgee: fauno, dunno, maybe ##distros can serve that purpose too. It's supposed to be the inter-distro channel, but it's been all silent since I joined somewhere in summer, iirc. samgee: If nobody's using it anyway, we might as well hijack it for inter-free-distro talk. :) fauno: channel hijacking \o/ fauno: samgee: i'll send a mail to the list samgee: ok fauno: samgee: should i paste this snip of log? samgee: Fine by me. -- Salud! Nicolás Reynolds, xmpp:fa...@kiwwwi.com.ar omb:http://identi.ca/fauno blog:http://selfdandi.com.ar/ gnu/linux user #455044 http://parabolagnulinux.org http://endefensadelsl.org pgpShLbANMUDx.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [GNU-linux-libre] Fwd: Results of the App Installer Meeting
ake this app metadata available via xapian in all distros > - Port Ubuntu Software Center to non-Debian-based systems > > + July: "Integrate non-static metadata" > - Setup OCS servers for distros > - Use OCS from the Application Center > > + November: "Deliver to users" > - Ship a working Application Center in distros releasing around > this > time > > We'll work on this direction, and everybody is welcome to help! > > > Resources > = > > mailing list: > http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/distributions > wiki: http://distributions.freedesktop.org/wiki/AppStream > git: http://gitorious.org/appstream > > We decided that for further communication, the distributions mailing > list would be the right place because our effort is > cross-distributions. > If it turns out we're generating too much traffic for > distributi...@lists.fd.o, we'll create a new mailing list. > > We will use the distributions wiki to document our work, and we've > already put all the notes from the meeting there. Please keep in mind > that those are raw notes and that they might lack context :-) So don't > hesitate to ask for clarifications! > > A project was already created on gitorious to collect various > resources. > > > We know this is an important topic, and we believe we'll provide a good > solution for it much more easily by working together. So don't hesitate > to join the fun! > > > Vincent, on behalf of all the participants to the meeting > > -- > Les gens heureux ne sont pas pressés. > ___ > Distributions mailing list > distributi...@lists.freedesktop.org > http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/distributions > > -- > Graziano Sorbaioli > Founder, LibrePlanet Italia > http://sorbaioli.org > http://www.groups.fsf.org/wiki/Group:LibrePlanet_Italia > -- Salud! Nicolás Reynolds, xmpp:fa...@kiwwwi.com.ar omb:http://identi.ca/fauno blog:http://selfdandi.com.ar/ gnu/linux user #455044 http://parabolagnulinux.org http://endefensadelsl.org pgpQGexrghRf2.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [GNU-linux-libre] Parabola GNU/Linux
El 07/01/11 11:16, Karl Berry dijo: > In gNewSense we rebrand at least the highly visible things in the > standard desktop install, e.g. GRUB, usplash, GDM, Gnome, package > manager. I think it's enough to fulfill FSDG. > > I agree. > > Parabola people, can you follow that lead, please? we're working on that :), grubs are ready, for instance. > I'm sure there are still a lot of places that show the string "Ubuntu", > > I don't think there was ever a requirement to eradicate every single > mention of the string. As you say, that wouldn't make sense. > > Thanks, > k > -- Salud! Nicolás Reynolds, xmpp:fa...@kiwwwi.com.ar omb:http://identi.ca/fauno blog:http://selfdandi.com.ar/ gnu/linux user #455044 http://parabolagnulinux.org http://endefensadelsl.org pgpedH7UOUhQZ.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [GNU-linux-libre] Parabola GNU/Linux
El 06/01/11 11:56, Sam Geeraerts dijo: > Jason Self wrote: > >Joshua Ismael wrote: > > > >>Archlinux has an automatic building system in wich you > >>provide some information and the script automatically > >>build them. > >> > >>For Parabola GNU/Linux we provide scripts for deblobing > >>while building so anyone can compile it's linux-libre kernel > >>from the vanilla source. > >> > >>If the purpose is to provide the means to build a free > >>kernel we already make this. Isn't this enough? > > A free distro should consist of only free software. Consider that the > software is really the source code and that the binaries are just the > usable machine-readable form of it. Both source code and binaries > should be free (the latter follows from the former if all is well). > > >My understanding is that the existing free distros provide > >already-deblobbed kernel source code for their users to get, instead of > >having them download the original unmodified tarball from kernel.org. > > The kernel in gNewSense DeltaH is deblobbed, for MetaD we grab the > source and binary packages straight from fsfla.org. > > >My own personal opinion is that grabbing the corresponding linux-libre > >tarballs and then fixing any distro-specific patches that don't cleanly > >apply is a better choice. > > > >It's a good question, though: Can a free distro have their users > >download nonfree software and then go through the process to clean it up > >later? > > Providing non-free software + user executable freedom patch is not > what a free distro should be doing, IMO. > > I'll admit these two points about gNewSense: > > 1) We make OpenOffice.org link to the FSF extension list with a > dpkg-divert in a separate package. This means that the link is only > changed when that package is installed (which is the case in a > standard desktop install). I think that's acceptable. > > 2) Sometimes we leave freedom issues in the repo while working on a > fix. In the case of the boost lib in OO.o [1] it took me a few months > to fix it. Perhaps we should be more strict about this and remove the > package immediately, but only reintroduce after the fix is complete. > > [1] https://savannah.nongnu.org/bugs/?29882 i think this point is clear enough now. while i'm writing this, i'm building linux-libre directly from fsfla and i found a way to apply the arch patches, which failed before. -- Salud! Nicolás Reynolds, xmpp:fa...@kiwwwi.com.ar omb:http://identi.ca/fauno blog:http://selfdandi.com.ar/ gnu/linux user #455044 http://parabolagnulinux.org http://endefensadelsl.org pgpkj36fRId4O.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [GNU-linux-libre] Parabola GNU/Linux
El 05/01/11 12:11, Karl Berry dijo: > 1. The Parabola developers perform no rebranding of any kind. This > results in the installer claiming to the "Arch Linux". I've also > found that the GRUB menu lists it as "Arch Linux" when booting, and > so does the login prompt. (There's probably more, I imagine but > that's where I stopped.) > > I wonder how this fits in the the "we will not list a distribution > whose name makes confusion with non-free distributions likely" in > the Free Distro Guidelines? > > It seems problematic to me, FWIW. > > Do other already-declared-free distros also not rename in these highly > visible places? actually that's all, there's barely branding on Arch itself. we're looking into it anyway :) does rebranding count as a derived work? we're discussing it right now. -- Salud! Nicolás Reynolds, xmpp:fa...@kiwwwi.com.ar omb:http://identi.ca/fauno blog:http://selfdandi.com.ar/ gnu/linux user #455044 http://parabolagnulinux.org http://endefensadelsl.org pgpSxg1FlPjPh.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [Parabola] [GNU-linux-libre] Parabola GNU/Linux
El 04/01/11 09:24, Jason Self dijo: > Nicolás Reynolds wrote: > > > you hit a known bug on our repo that we're > > working to solve. > > Ah; so including kernel26-2.6.36.2-1.src.tar.gz, with its non-free bits, > is a bug. Good. :) that's correct. > > our own build scripts are here [0], and kernel's is here [1], where you can > > find that the linux sources are being deblobbed. isn't that sufficient? > > I think that modifying kernel26-libre/PKGBUILD and changing > > source=(http://ftp.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v2.6/linux-$_basekernel.tar.bz2 > to > source=(http://www.fsfla.org/svnwiki/selibre/linux-libre/download/releases/$_basekernel-libre.tar.bz2 > > would be better, IMHO, since people then aren't downloading the non-free > bits at all. we prefer to add arch patches into it, but they're made for linux, not linux-libre, so the deblob has to be made on build time. how are other distros doing it? the only problem i can find with this is that generating a source tarball will include the unfree kernel tarball, because the deblob is made after obtaning the sources, making us distribute unfree software. i'll look for a solution asap (i'm the package maintainer). -- Salud! Nicolás Reynolds, xmpp:fa...@kiwwwi.com.ar omb:http://identi.ca/fauno blog:http://selfdandi.com.ar/ gnu/linux user #455044 http://parabolagnulinux.org http://endefensadelsl.org pgphAFHuqcHSp.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [GNU-linux-libre] Parabola GNU/Linux
El 03/01/11 03:20, Jason Self dijo: > Parabola is a GNU/Linux distro that claims to be a fully free copy of Arch. > In > reviewing it I have some concerns: > > 1. The Parabola developers perform no rebranding of any kind. This results in > the installer claiming to the "Arch Linux". I've also found that the GRUB > menu > lists it as "Arch Linux" when booting, and so does the login prompt. (There's > probably more, I imagine but that's where I stopped.) > > I wonder how this fits in the the "we will not list a distribution whose name > makes confusion with non-free distributions likely" in the Free Distro > Guidelines? > > I've also discovered this as of this afternoon: "We avoid having a > kernel-free > distro (!) by packaging a vanilla kernel and applying ArchLinux's patches, > but > deblobing everything before compiling and packaging." [2] > > I took this to mean the binary has been "freed" but not the source. I then > grabbed the source from [3] and verified that it does indeed contain all of > the > non-free parts of the kernel. I think that this means their kernel deblobbing > efforts are insufficent, if anyone is able to go and obtain the non-free bits > of the kernel in this way. you took the wrong file. but you hit a known bug on our repo that we're working to solve. our own build scripts are here [0], and kernel's is here [1], where you can find that the linux sources are being deblobbed. isn't that sufficient? > Has anyone else looked at Parabola? > > [1] http://parabolagnulinux.org/ > [2] http://wiki.parabolagnulinux.org/index.php?title=Blacklist > [3] > http://repo.parabolagnulinux.org/sources/packages/kernel26-2.6.36.2-1.src.tar.gz [0] http://repo.parabolagnulinux.org/pkgbuilds/ [1] http://repo.parabolagnulinux.org/pkgbuilds/core/kernel26-libre-2.6.36.2-1.src.tar.gz -- Salud! Nicolás Reynolds, xmpp:fa...@kiwwwi.com.ar omb:http://identi.ca/fauno blog:http://selfdandi.com.ar/ gnu/linux user #455044 http://parabolagnulinux.org http://endefensadelsl.org pgpB6PDv2UApE.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [GNU-linux-libre] The "Free" Kernel In Debian Squeeze
El 30/12/10 08:49, Nicolás Reynolds dijo:
> El 29/12/10 09:35, Nicolás Reynolds dijo:
> > El 29/12/10 07:29, Alexandre Oliva dijo:
> > > The kernel logs the request, including the identifier, and, when it
> > > fails, the module that issued the request often logs an error message,
> > > that usually includes the firmware name.
> > >
> > > Also, the kernel sends the firmware name/identifier to the userland
> > > hotplug program, and that program can do pretty much whatever it likes
> > > with the name, including looking up the name in package repositories,
> > > suggesting users to install the package that provides the firmware, or
> > > even install it behind their backs.
> > >
> > >
> > > In Linux-libre, we mangle the firmware name both in the request and the
> > > error message, so there's no chance that any of this may happen.
> > > However, this also disables any possibility of using non-Free firmware
> > > that the user has installed and would like to use.
> >
> > Stupid question: Can't you modify this userland program the kernel calls to
> > handle firmware requests?
>
> Propposal on this: preffix all unfree firmware as being unfree ("unfree_",
> probably) instead of hashing their name identifiers. This way the firmware
> loader can simply log a warning stating clearly that the firmware harms your
> freedoms.
Sorry, forgot to reply all.
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Re: [GNU-linux-libre] The "Free" Kernel In Debian Squeeze
El 29/12/10 09:35, Nicolás Reynolds dijo:
> El 29/12/10 07:29, Alexandre Oliva dijo:
> > The kernel logs the request, including the identifier, and, when it
> > fails, the module that issued the request often logs an error message,
> > that usually includes the firmware name.
> >
> > Also, the kernel sends the firmware name/identifier to the userland
> > hotplug program, and that program can do pretty much whatever it likes
> > with the name, including looking up the name in package repositories,
> > suggesting users to install the package that provides the firmware, or
> > even install it behind their backs.
> >
> >
> > In Linux-libre, we mangle the firmware name both in the request and the
> > error message, so there's no chance that any of this may happen.
> > However, this also disables any possibility of using non-Free firmware
> > that the user has installed and would like to use.
>
> Stupid question: Can't you modify this userland program the kernel calls to
> handle firmware requests?
Propposal on this: preffix all unfree firmware as being unfree ("unfree_",
probably) instead of hashing their name identifiers. This way the firmware
loader can simply log a warning stating clearly that the firmware harms your
freedoms.
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Re: [GNU-linux-libre] The "Free" Kernel In Debian Squeeze
El 29/12/10 07:29, Alexandre Oliva dijo: > The kernel logs the request, including the identifier, and, when it > fails, the module that issued the request often logs an error message, > that usually includes the firmware name. > > Also, the kernel sends the firmware name/identifier to the userland > hotplug program, and that program can do pretty much whatever it likes > with the name, including looking up the name in package repositories, > suggesting users to install the package that provides the firmware, or > even install it behind their backs. > > > In Linux-libre, we mangle the firmware name both in the request and the > error message, so there's no chance that any of this may happen. > However, this also disables any possibility of using non-Free firmware > that the user has installed and would like to use. Stupid question: Can't you modify this userland program the kernel calls to handle firmware requests? -- Salud! Nicolás Reynolds, xmpp:fa...@kiwwwi.com.ar omb:http://identi.ca/fauno blog:http://selfdandi.com.ar/ gnu/linux user #455044 http://parabolagnulinux.org http://endefensadelsl.org pgpUUzY605YGm.pgp Description: PGP signature
[GNU-linux-libre] nltk-data
Hi, this package, nltk-data, got caught on our filters due to a license that says: Parts of NTLK-Data are distributed under various licenses, as documented in their respective README files. See: /usr/share/nltk/data/corpora/ -- [0] so we went checking those licenses, to find out that the package is composed by a bunch of data sets with very different licensing, very few of them free. the licenses include copyright plus redistribution allowed, cc-nc, bsd-like, only one gpl, and several doesn't even have a license, just the author name. though, these are collections of words... i don't know if copyright applies to them. also, nltk (the software) has a method for downloading this data directly from the website... this qualifies as recommending unfree stuff, right? [0] http://www.parabolagnulinux.org/docs/pending-licenses/ntlk-data/LICENSE -- Salud! Nicolás Reynolds, xmpp:fa...@kiwwwi.com.ar omb:http://identi.ca/fauno blog:http://selfdandi.com.ar/ gnu/linux user #455044 http://parabolagnulinux.org http://endefensadelsl.org pgpwzCk7yLnkO.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [GNU-linux-libre] The "Free" Kernel In Debian Squeeze
El 16/12/10 11:12, Henry Jensen dijo: > Thanks for your work. As I see it the main difference between the > Squeeze kernel and Linux-Libre is the ability to load non-free firmware > and as such the very mentioning of non-free firmware files in the > soruce code. > > The Squeeze kernel is still able to load non-free firmware, but it's > not delivered in the main repository (it is in the non-free repo, > AFAIK). > > Linux-Libre isn't able to load non-free firmware, even if you obtain > the non-free firmware files somehow. > > So, it's a matter of attitude. Do we give the user the opportunity to > use non-free software if he wishes to do so, despite the > recommendations, or do we prevent it proactively? > > For example, GNU Icecat doesn't suggest non-free plugins. But Icecat is > still able to load non-free plugins, it is not prevented proactively. > Of course, the main difference is, that non-free software isn't > mentioned in the Icecat source code (at least I assume so, I didn't > check), where non-free software is explicitly mentioned hard-coded in > the source code, so the situation is only slightly comparable. > > Giving the user the ability to use non-free software without any > comment leads to a situation where unexperienced users might be not > knowing what they are doing. For example Debian help forums are full of > advices for novice users to activate the non-free repository. Same goes > for Fedora where novice users are encouraged in forums to integrate > non-official repositories with non-free software. > > To proactively prevent the use of non-free software on the other hand > is censorship. I recall RMS pointing out in an interview that any free > operating system should allow to do anything. I CC him, maybe he has > some thoughts to add. > > Kind regards, > > Henry > > > > On Wed, 15 Dec 2010 10:56:07 -0800 (PST) > "Jason Self" wrote: > > > In light of Debian's recent announcement [1] I and others were interested > > in how > > well the Debian folks cleaned up their kernel. I proceeded to grab the > > source > > for the Squeeze kernel, ran the linux-libre deblobbing script on it, and > > then > > diffed it against the original to see what had changed. > > > > The full deblob log [2] & diff [3] is available to anyone that's interested > > in > > knowing. > > > > [1] http://www.debian.org/News/2010/20101215 > > [2] http://aws.bluehome.net/squeeze_kernel_deblog_log.txt > > [3] http://aws.bluehome.net/squeeze_kernel_diff.txt I recall this discussion had place a year ago between linux-libre and ututo (I mean between people behind those projects), where your same arguments were used. And IIRC, finally there was a note in the linux-libre site saying that loading nonfree firmware isn't banned anymore. Haven't tested it though, and I can't seem to find it... I'm CCing the lists where the discussion had place. -- Salud! Nicolás Reynolds, xmpp:fa...@kiwwwi.com.ar omb:http://identi.ca/fauno blog:http://selfdandi.com.ar/ gnu/linux user #455044 http://librecultivo.org.ar http://parabolagnulinux.org pgpGVtVTfcLeQ.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [GNU-linux-libre] default search engines
El 05/12/10 12:06, jaromil dijo: > > re all, > > On Sun, Dec 05, 2010 at 03:25:57AM -0300, Nicolás Reynolds wrote: > > El 05/12/10 02:28, Karl Goetz dijo: > > > hi all, > > > I was wondering if anyone had patched their default browser(s) to > > > point to search engines which have better privacy policies then > > > the big ones? Today I've looked at these [1], so i was wondering > > > if anyone else has investigated. kk > > > > > > [1] https://duckduckgo.com , https://ssl.scroogle.org/ , > > > https://us2.ixquick.com/eng/ , http://www.yauba.com > > > > hi, our icecat uses scroogle and duckduckgo as default search > > engines since we started packaging it. i've read midori is going to > > provide ddg by default, and giuseppe said he will use it in the next > > icecat release. > > not just for privacy issues, but also for heuristic neutrality, i > suggest supporting also yacy http://yacy.de which is a p2p search > engine, was presented at FSCONS2011 in Gothenburg, worth a look! it's there too, but last time i looked it was down... is there a more reliable host (or a list of hosts)? ok, i didn't said anything :) http://search.fsfe.org/ -- Salud! Nicolás Reynolds, xmpp:fa...@kiwwwi.com.ar omb:http://identi.ca/fauno blog:http://selfdandi.com.ar/ gnu/linux user #455044 http://librecultivo.org.ar http://parabolagnulinux.org pgppdIiBdbas9.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [GNU-linux-libre] default search engines
El 05/12/10 02:28, Karl Goetz dijo: > hi all, > I was wondering if anyone had patched their default browser(s) to point > to search engines which have better privacy policies then the big ones? > Today I've looked at these [1], so i was wondering if anyone else has > investigated. > kk > > [1] https://duckduckgo.com , https://ssl.scroogle.org/ , > https://us2.ixquick.com/eng/ , http://www.yauba.com hi, our icecat uses scroogle and duckduckgo as default search engines since we started packaging it. i've read midori is going to provide ddg by default, and giuseppe said he will use it in the next icecat release. -- Salud! Nicolás Reynolds, xmpp:fa...@kiwwwi.com.ar omb:http://identi.ca/fauno blog:http://selfdandi.com.ar/ gnu/linux user #455044 http://librecultivo.org.ar http://parabolagnulinux.org pgpzacVm0xJaW.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [GNU-linux-libre] virtualbox-ose-additions, free or not?
El 23/11/10 05:01, Nicolás Reynolds dijo: > El 23/11/10 04:58, Nicolás Reynolds dijo: > > El 23/11/10 08:10, Rubén Rodríguez Pérez dijo: > > > > IIRC, the license for the Additions do not permit modification, > > > > rendering them > > > > nonfree. > > > > > > Looks like it: > > > http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/changelogs/pool/multiverse/v/virtualbox-guest-additions/virtualbox-guest-additions_3.1.6-1/virtualbox-guest-additions.copyright > > > > > > I'll add it to the blacklist. > > > > Thanks for replying, but I think that applies for virtualbox PUEL, > > which is nonfree altogether, but what about the "Open Source Edition" > > (GPL2)? > > I guess this means a part of the ose-additions is nonfree: > http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/changelogs/pool/universe/v/virtualbox-ose/virtualbox-ose_3.2.10-dfsg-2ubuntu1/copyright borgo said: "virtualbox-additions is an iso image with guest additions for several operating systems (virtualbox-guest-additions in debian) and [it's] non-free. virtualbox-ose-additions (virtualbox-ose-guest-utils and virtualbox-ose-guest-x11 in debian) and virtualbox-ose-additions-modules (virtualbox-ose-guest-dkms in debian) are only used inside the vm when parabola/debian is the guest operation system. the source code for this free imho. I think the dsfg modifications only remove the non-free mswindows and (even free) other stuff for the source package. that stuff doesn't get build in parabola either." I can confirm that the only source built for virtualbox-ose-additions is for gnu-linux guests as it's used for guest archlinux/parabola systems: http://repos.archlinux.org/wsvn/community/virtualbox-ose/repos/community-testing-i686/PKGBUILD -- Salud! Nicolás Reynolds, xmpp:fa...@kiwwwi.com.ar omb:http://identi.ca/fauno blog:http://selfdandi.com.ar/ gnu/linux user #455044 http://librecultivo.org.ar http://parabolagnulinux.org pgpefD7AKIZP2.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [GNU-linux-libre] virtualbox-ose-additions, free or not?
El 23/11/10 08:10, Rubén Rodríguez Pérez dijo: > > IIRC, the license for the Additions do not permit modification, rendering > > them > > nonfree. > > Looks like it: > http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/changelogs/pool/multiverse/v/virtualbox-guest-additions/virtualbox-guest-additions_3.1.6-1/virtualbox-guest-additions.copyright > > I'll add it to the blacklist. Thanks for replying, but I think that applies for virtualbox PUEL, which is nonfree altogether, but what about the "Open Source Edition" (GPL2)? -- Salud! Nicolás Reynolds, xmpp:fa...@kiwwwi.com.ar omb:http://identi.ca/fauno blog:http://selfdandi.com.ar/ gnu/linux user #455044 http://librecultivo.org.ar http://parabolagnulinux.org pgpPAs3G26ySc.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [GNU-linux-libre] virtualbox-ose-additions, free or not?
El 23/11/10 04:58, Nicolás Reynolds dijo: > El 23/11/10 08:10, Rubén Rodríguez Pérez dijo: > > > IIRC, the license for the Additions do not permit modification, rendering > > > them > > > nonfree. > > > > Looks like it: > > http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/changelogs/pool/multiverse/v/virtualbox-guest-additions/virtualbox-guest-additions_3.1.6-1/virtualbox-guest-additions.copyright > > > > I'll add it to the blacklist. > > Thanks for replying, but I think that applies for virtualbox PUEL, > which is nonfree altogether, but what about the "Open Source Edition" > (GPL2)? I guess this means a part of the ose-additions is nonfree: http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/changelogs/pool/universe/v/virtualbox-ose/virtualbox-ose_3.2.10-dfsg-2ubuntu1/copyright -- Salud! Nicolás Reynolds, xmpp:fa...@kiwwwi.com.ar omb:http://identi.ca/fauno blog:http://selfdandi.com.ar/ gnu/linux user #455044 http://librecultivo.org.ar http://parabolagnulinux.org pgp7dXjxnrtuK.pgp Description: PGP signature
[GNU-linux-libre] virtualbox-ose-additions, free or not?
I remember we decided to block the virtualbox additions because they were non-free, but I can't remember the reason. Today, borgo asked me on IRC why we block them if the sources are available, though I can't confirm is they're freely available or a part of them. I couldn't find any mention to vb in libreplanet's blacklist either. Maybe it's status has changed since a year ago? Or this doesn't apply for the OSE additions? Are we more popists than the pope? :P PS: Copy to gnu-linux-libre list to see if someone can help. -- Salud! Nicolás Reynolds, xmpp:fa...@kiwwwi.com.ar omb:http://identi.ca/fauno blog:http://selfdandi.com.ar/ gnu/linux user #455044 http://librecultivo.org.ar http://parabolagnulinux.org pgpKIeyGUCpRv.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [GNU-linux-libre] firefox and thunderbird HOWTO request
El 11/11/10 08:37, Karl Goetz dijo: > On Wed, 10 Nov 2010 15:43:42 -0600 > Joshua Ismael wrote: > > > Hi there. > > > > Both thunderbird and firefox have branding issues > > and recommend non free plugins, so free distros > > can't provide them but have compile another package > > based upon it. > > > > For parabola we were providing icecat, but the delay > > between firefox releases and icecat's causes some > > troubles with our repo. > > What sort of troubles? Are you able to help gnuzilla to get releases > out quicker? Arch packages xulrunner and firefox separately. When we get a new xulrunner version (due to a firefox update), icecat isn't released yet, so we have to hold the old xulrunner version as an exception. Probably not the right place to ask, but if icecat has a sort of linux-libre script we would be glad to use it. > > So we are thinking about compiling an unbranded > > browser like trisquel. > > > > Also, we haven't changed links for thunderbird, so > > we ask for your mozconfig for compiling both > > projects and any patches you apply if any, or any > > instructions that may be helpfull. > > Hopefully they are all in gnuzilla. If free distros are doing other > freedom patches not in gnuzilla it would be a great thing to get into > that project - easier for us all to share :) The only change we make to our icecat is to disable/replace Google (hidden) services and default search engines for privacy-aware or libre content ones, such as duckduckgo, jamendo, etc. About thunderbird, it comes with it's own xulrunner, does anyone knows if it can be built against system xulrunner? Probably asking for more version trouble :P -- Salud! Nicolás Reynolds, xmpp:fa...@kiwwwi.com.ar omb:http://identi.ca/fauno blog:http://selfdandi.com.ar/ gnu/linux user #455044 http://librecultivo.org.ar http://parabolagnulinux.org pgpe7L3njZhqf.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [GNU-linux-libre] updates on nonfsg page
El 24/10/10 11:09, Karl Berry dijo: > (Sorry for the delayed reply.) > > So i'm clear - lucida is a group of fonts available in xorg, which > are non-free? > > Right, although it may be "was" rather than "is". I don't even know > whether the lucida bitmaps are still included in current xfree86. I > just noticed them in the package list when reviewing some distro > application or another (years+ ago). we found them in parabola a week ago. -- Salud! Nicolás Reynolds, xmpp:fa...@kiwwwi.com.ar omb:http://identi.ca/fauno blog:http://selfdandi.com.ar/ gnu/linux user #455044 http://librecultivo.org.ar http://parabolagnulinux.org pgpTu4A0rDvk6.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [GNU-linux-libre] mirror
El 04/10/10 11:28, Karl Berry dijo: > Isn't this the same situation as gnuplot? > > You're right. > > I thought we considered that 'free but annoying', > > You're right. There are numerous reiterations in the FSF licensing > queue stating that very thing. (I actually knew that but didn't think > of it in time. Sigh.) Isn't such clause preventing forking? -- Salud! Nicolás Reynolds, xmpp:fa...@kiwwwi.com.ar omb:http://identi.ca/fauno blog:http://selfdandi.com.ar/ gnu/linux user #455044 http://librecultivo.org.ar http://parabolagnulinux.org pgpmYJJnFb5nh.pgp Description: PGP signature
[GNU-linux-libre] Parabola Project Presentation
Hi there, I'm one of the Parabola developers, another libre distro, this time based on Arch :) Our presentation is here: http://wiki.parabolagnulinux.org/Parabola_Presentation -- Salud! Nicolás Reynolds, xmpp:fa...@kiwwwi.com.ar omb:http://identi.ca/fauno blog:http://selfdandi.com.ar/ gnu/linux user #455044 gpg key: 17A4CD9C http://librecultivo.org.ar http://parabolagnulinux.org pgpFxmuzV4wPy.pgp Description: PGP signature
