Re: [GNU-linux-libre] Guix and FSDG
El 2019-11-20 14:10, Raghav Gururajan escribió: > I can see two ways to end the confusion between Guix and FSDG, once in > for all. Either the FSDG remains unchanged and Guix gets removed from > the FSD list (or) the FSDG gets revised and Guix remains on the FSD > list. I am inclined to the latter, however, I am open to hear how the > former could be a better option. I do not see a need to change the FSDG, unless they are to be designed to approve distributions such as Debian. The freedom to choose is only real freedom if the options are free. If the FSDG are changed to trick the user into thinking that if is free by choosing nonfree software, they do not support the user at all. The real option is that Guix server downloads the upstream sourcces and then the host the sources with only with free software for its users. Otherwise, it is as free as any other distro because users can remove nonfree software from any distro.
Re: [GNU-linux-libre] ‘FSDG-free’ is a phrase to avoid
El 2019-10-13 18:30, Dmitry Alexandrov escribió: > Quiliro Ordóñez wrote: >> El 2019-10-13 07:32, Dmitry Alexandrov escribió: >>> bill-auger wrote: >>>> 1) is the debian kernel FSDG-free? >>>> FSDG-free >>> >>> I’m very disappointed to see this ugly collocation becoming so widespread >>> here, so it started, as @quil...@riseup.net demonstrated us, contaminate >>> the word ‘free’ as in ‘free software’ by itself. This is definitely not, >>> what RMS with his careful use of language would approve. >>> >>> I understand, that it’s probably calqued from ‘DFSG-free’, but that phrase >>> is okay — DFSG is a criteria for free software in general, while FSDG is >>> not. So it may be, say, ‘FSDG-compliant’ or ‘FSDG-ready’, not ‘FSDG-free’. >> >> This provides no useful information. >> It is centered on me > > How is it centered on you? You are by no mean the only one, who is > used to use this misleading phrase. You have cited my email. Even if you cited anyone else which disagrees with you, your arguments pointing to people instead of the points themselves, only discredit you. >> The policy is what is in discussion and has not called for the questioned >> parties to argue against the case makers. The FSF is the one which should >> make the calls for freedom > > Sorry, I failed to grasp the point. Could you reiterate in other words? The questioned parties need no lawyer. They should either negotiate with the questioners or get a pronouncement from FSF about the FSDG about these topics (freedom of those packages).
Re: [GNU-linux-libre] ‘FSDG-free’ is a phrase to avoid
El 2019-10-13 07:32, Dmitry Alexandrov escribió: > bill-auger wrote: >> 1) is the debian kernel FSDG-free? >> FSDG-free > > I’m very disappointed to see this ugly collocation becoming so > widespread here, so it started, as @quil...@riseup.net demonstrated > us, contaminate the word ‘free’ as in ‘free software’ by itself. This > is definitely not, what RMS with his careful use of language would > approve. > > I understand, that it’s probably calqued from ‘DFSG-free’, but that > phrase is okay — DFSG is a criteria for free software in general, > while FSDG is not. So it may be, say, ‘FSDG-compliant’ or > ‘FSDG-ready’, not ‘FSDG-free’. This provides no useful information. It is centered on me, making it a personal case and not a policy case. The policy is what is in discussion and has not called for the questioned parties to argue against the case makers. The FSF is the one which should make the calls for freedom, which is what free software is made to give users. The questioned parties should find consensus instead of trying to make more division with this type of attitude.
[GNU-linux-libre] ungoogled chromium reported in Guix and unremoved after 8 months
This is a report I have received from some GNU libre distro hackers: *** Chromium/webengine/electron issue It is not reasonable to assume that some program is free software merely because someone adds a licence to the root dir. - the person who adds that license also needs to have the right to do so as the copyright holder, and permission to do so from the holders of all other copyrighted parts. Chromium is an aggregate of hundreds of projects written by probably thousands of authors - the vast majority of which are not on the chromium dev team - the main case for concern is that its own developers are not certain about the copyrights of all of its parts, as demonstrated by the 10 year old bug report that was never closed The codebase is 3-4 GB large and no one knows - that alone is a real problem for any codebase to become such size that no one wants to audit it - it is much the same situation as Linux; except that the linux-Libre team diligently removes anything non-free that enters the codebase upstream. No one is doing that for chromium - its not what ungoogled team cares about. But, IMHO there is now a more concerning issue related to it mess this has been discussed at length on the FSDH mailing list over the years and the consensus was that it was not fit for any FSDG - and all FSDG that still had it, removed it. But, about six months ago Guix decided they would add it, and they completely disregarded the concerns of the FSDG group answering essentially no more than "I dont see a problem - we are adding it anyways". That created a very uncomforable problem in the FSDG community - one of the criteria for the new FSDG review process would prevent any new distro from being endorsed if it had Chromium - ppl repeaedly asked the Guix team to help resolve that by offering a satisfying liberation procedure; so that every FSDG could add Chromium is they wanted it. *** This the bug report in Guix: http://issues.guix.gnu.org/issue/34565 This is the analysis of Chromium Ungoogled and Chromium by Hyperbola: https://wiki.hyperbola.info/doku.php?id=en:main:chromiums_freedom_flaws I would like the FSF to take a stance on this immediately. I think a week is more than enough, considering that this issue has been analyzed before. I feel that a distro that has a freedom critical bug should not take such a long time delay to correct it. Quiliro Ordóñez FSFLA board member
[GNU-linux-libre] ungoogled chromium reported in Guix and unremoved after 8 months
Hello. I would like you to help me with the following issue. This is a report I have received from some GNU libre distro hackers: *** Chromium/webengine/electron issue It is not reasonable to assume that some program is free software merely because someone adds a licence to the root dir. - the person who adds that license also needs to have the right to do so as the copyright holder, and permission to do so from the holders of all other copyrighted parts. Chromium is an aggregate of hundreds of projects written by probably thousands of authors - the vast majority of which are not on the chromium dev team - the main case for concern is that its own developers are not certain about the copyrights of all of its parts, as demonstrated by the 10 year old bug report that was never closed The codebase is 3-4 GB large and no one knows - that alone is a real problem for any codebase to become such size that no one wants to audit it - it is much the same situation as Linux; except that the linux-Libre team diligently removes anything non-free that enters the codebase upstream. No one is doing that for chromium - its not what ungoogled team cares about. But, IMHO there is now a more concerning issue related to it mess this has been discussed at length on the FSDH mailing list over the years and the consensus was that it was not fit for any FSDG - and all FSDG that still had it, removed it. But, about six months ago Guix decided they would add it, and they completely disregarded the concerns of the FSDG group answering essentially no more than "I dont see a problem - we are adding it anyways". That created a very uncomforable problem in the FSDG community - one of the criteria for the new FSDG review process would prevent any new distro from being endorsed if it had Chromium - ppl repeaedly asked the Guix team to help resolve that by offering a satisfying liberation procedure; so that every FSDG could add Chromium is they wanted it. *** This the still open bug report in Guix: http://issues.guix.gnu.org/issue/34565 This is the analysis of Chromium and Ungoogled Chromium by Hyperbola: https://wiki.hyperbola.info/doku.php?id=en:main:chromiums_freedom_flaws This is the discussion on the gnu-linux-libre mailing list: https://lists.nongnu.org/archive/html/gnu-linux-libre/2019-02/msg00063.html https://lists.nongnu.org/archive/html/gnu-linux-libre/2019-02/msg0.html I would like the FSF to take a stance on this immediately. I think a week is more than enough time, considering that this issue has been analyzed before. I feel that a distro that has a freedom critical bug should not take such a long time delay to correct it. Quiliro Ordóñez FSFLA board member
Re: [GNU-linux-libre] GdNewHat info and request for endorsement.
El vie 18 abr 2014 16:21:00 ECT, Riley Baird (Orthogonal) escribió: On 19/04/14 04:45, Jason Self wrote: If there are no glaring problems they're then referred to the gnu-linux-libre mailing list for further evaluation and discussion. What do we need to evaluate/discuss before it is accepted? If the distro maintainers have read: https://www.gnu.org/distros/free-distros.html They can mention references to the distro's compliance. -- Saludos libres, Quiliro Ordóñez 600 8579 signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [GNU-linux-libre] Video guides for installing free distros
Perhaps we could upload them to audio-video. -- Saludos libres, Quiliro Ordóñez 600 8579 signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [GNU-linux-libre] Volunteer needed to help create freedom filter on prism-break.org
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 El 09/10/13 12:38, Zak Rogoff escribió: We've gotten in touch with its maintainer, Peng Zhong. Peng is an interface designer that cares about free software, and wants to add a toggle filter to prism-break to show only projects that are up to the FSF's standards of freedom. Found this: https://github.com/nylira/prism-break Would one of you like to do this? We think you would be the right people for the job. It's fine if more than one person is interested, but I'd like to pick one person to be Peng's primary contact for this project. Thanks, and keep up the good work. Maybe Fauno (Parabola hacker) can help: http://prism.hackcoop.com.ar/ - -- Saludos libres, Quiliro Ordóñez Presidente (en co-gobierno con los socios) Asociación de Software Libre del Ecuador - ASLE Teléfono: 6008579 Recuerda que todas tus comunicaciones están siendo vigiladas. Lo que puedes hacer para restar su eficacia es eliminar el software privativo de tus computadores, evitar el software como servicio, almacenar tus datos en tus propios equipos y encriptar todas tus comunicaciones. Toda la información contenida en este mensaje es libre de uso y distribución con o sin modificaciones y todo correo que reciba implica que el remitente acepta que tendrá las mismas libertades sin importar cualquier clausula de confidencialidad o restricción anterior o posterior. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJSVmprAAoJELMnJLlh/t+6UeEP/3oEG74o1stSIPthR4WmxYem 0xv8foVofAzebDdU8f9qq2L2/lejPBErCAQYSkRhs794YTkuF1CQrml2i0JRFCkb RfK4AuJ27MkSwI41YHAdxa8kdgGM3BEL9mQzchoBa6+/sBtvFsDzJzan4m2norOu UxXGc3Q88iKn0QiuG3y2rmgX7eTBIGW/Rs4pMEkwzgg2Ipa9rifkqDR2K6ArQMOG vOZj3M6qh+9k+reTyu5kjSN2N+Swipj1EBpxngi7atmcc54KdVPKK7sUuPllhpRc faXNmihkv/rk7t/yEUrTwMd9X4+PtsSrg3eSIy+xsKqjK25lvS5gjAod9zfG6av4 z3Xd7SUEXSambQdfFrMCfNC14AoXPyUlcPnIZtdVM8SU42foFMgQ6pNiCOwMMoz2 AgfuMvgqQN43qPIRKhhrO1T5BjuOZxtkTGbWewmOk2Ewx8WxhQSTLRcdb/bL9Pci zJihzpRnVLir6t6cjpwNf9SNR7sLZ54oJKhLCg2Ggs7vyTJDqMblV+axaUwPOAud BobLElSpuHquiAEwm8Wtd5WVs2RcZ9nQCa7zorFFLofaRnhulkBCONMT6oRn2lUP NqCaL35wRep5VxFCYb8WrZAWwABukK9tX0BdPzWNUcXXbdWRZElKbVRGGyjf7ZK7 NyYBHkMnjd5gPSaFYAMZ =Qp0O -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: [GNU-linux-libre] GNU/Linux-libre from source code for Loongson 2F
This is very interesting. Would it serve to teach students of it how to build their own version of GNU? Would it serve them to do it on another architecture? -- Saludos libres, Quiliro Ordóñez Board Member Free software FoundationLatiin America Presidente Asociación de Software Libre del Ecuador - ASLE Av de la Prensa N58-219 y Cristóbal Vaca de Castro Quito, Ecuador (593)8-454 8078 (desactivado temporalmente por viaje)
Re: [GNU-linux-libre] now that adbard is gone :^( the ad problem is back
El 13/10/12 01:32, Jaromil escribió: hola Quiliro, On Fri, 12 Oct 2012, Quiliro Ordóñez wrote: El 12/10/12 18:25, Jaromil escribió: ours to master and to own book by I.Ness and D.Azzellini link please? sure, here the publisher: http://www.haymarketbooks.org/pb/Ours-to-Master-and-to-Own here a review: http://www.socialistreview.org.uk/article.php?articlenumber=11788 I had found the first link. Was looking for a gratis version. ;-) Will read the review. by many is regarded as the best english speaking source on history of modern initiatives of collective ownership of production means. I've found it in my favourite activist bookshop in Amsterdam. I think this is the right way to go IRL. We have seen how much something like the GNU C Compiler could be doing for the worldwide community at large, by just liberating the ownership of production means. If we reach to create such conditions in physical production I think we can claim to go even beyond the current problems that can be traced both in socialism and liberism, since it is not about state control, but a deep change in management and social property conditions. BTW, reprap and makerbot like machines could help on this, but watch it coming: mass media is already criminalizing the freedom they bring with this stupid gig of building weapons. Something about this topic I'm also writing in my PhD dissertation, for which this book is one of the sources, hopefully ready end of 2013. Sounds really cool! -- Saludos libres, Quiliro Ordóñez Presidente Asociación de Software Libre del Ecuador - ASLE Av de la Prensa N58-219 y Cristóbal Vaca de Castro Quito, Ecuador (593)2-253 5534 (593)2-259 5632 (593)8-454 8078
Re: [GNU-linux-libre] now that adbard is gone :^( the ad problem is back
El 12/10/12 18:25, Jaromil escribió: ours to master and to own book by I.Ness and D.Azzellini link please? -- Saludos libres, Quiliro Ordóñez Presidente Asociación de Software Libre del Ecuador - ASLE Av de la Prensa N58-219 y Cristóbal Vaca de Castro Quito, Ecuador (593)2-253 5534 (593)2-259 5632 (593)8-454 8078
Re: [GNU-linux-libre] Working with FSF on Debian Free-ness assessment
El 04/07/12 10:07, Jason Self escribió: In case anyone hadn't seen this. https://lists.debian.org/debian-project/2012/07/msg00016.html Any new activity on this? -- Saludos libres, Quiliro Ordóñez Presidente Asociación de Software Libre del Ecuador - ASLE Av de la Prensa N58-219 y Cristóbal Vaca de Castro Quito, Ecuador (593)2-253 5534 (593)2-340 1517 (593)8-454 8078
[GNU-linux-libre] Fwd: Re: Selling Frostwire is not a scam. Please clarify.
These emails are the comunications I have established with the developers of Frostwire, a very good P2P software included in Trisquel. ---BeginMessage--- yes, selling frostwire is not a scam, but sites like frostwire10.com and others are using our trademarked logo without our permission. Users come to their websites thinking they're us, they get charged for money, they get a loads of spyware installed and then we are the ones that get the blame. We'll re-word our warning and write a clarifying post. Selling FrostWire is ok per allowed by the GPL, we know that. What's illegal here is the miss use of our trademark. They can sell it, they can do support, they can do all they want with their software, but they have to say who they are, they cannot impersonate the identity of our company and a brand that's take a lot of hard work to build. Thanks for approaching Quiliro. If you know any distro administrators we'd love to work together to include frostwire in as many linux distributions as possible. On 1/20/12 4:03 PM, Quiliro Ordóñez Baca wrote: Hi. I am a free software advocate. I would like to congratulate and thank you for such a complete solution for searching and downloading stuff. Most of all I think it is great to have such a great software licensed GNU GPL version 3 ... the latest and most freedom protective license. I have issues that I politely want to comment on. The website says that there are web sites that sell subscriptions to the software and that Frostwire is free software for which that is a scam. I have entered your chatrooms and sunburst has clarified that those sites are advertizing that they give support and they don't. The GNU GPL allows anyone to sell, lease or give away the software. That would not be a violation and saying that about the sale of Frostwire would confuse people into thinking that freedom and gratuity are the same. The license does not restrict selling. It does not say anything about scams but please clarify in your site that the scam is not to charge for the software but to trick users. We would be very happy to see this and it would make us continue to trust Frostwie and motivate free distros aproved by the FSF to include it as a default package.Please do not consider this an attack. We consider you our allies and respectfully ask for your help on this issue. Thank you very much. Sincerely, Quiliro Ordóñez Board Member Free Software Foundation Latin America FSFLA -- == NOTICE: The contents of this email and any attachments to it contain confidential and/or legally privileged information from FrostWire LLC. This information is only for the use of the intended recipient. If you have received this email in error, please notify us immediately. It is the responsibility of the recipient to ensure that it is virus free and no responsibility is accepted by FrostWire LLC for any loss or damage arising in any way from its use. ---End Message--- ---BeginMessage--- Hi Q, Per your request we have added some language at the end of our posts against the faker sites Selling FrostWire is not illegal or against our software license, in fact one of the freedoms of the GPL license allows others to sell GPLed software, however, using our trademark and pretending to be us to sell our software is a very deceiving practice. Users don't get the official installer, instead they get installers full of spyware and this damages user's computers and our reputation. http://frostwire.wordpress.com/2011/11/17/warning-frostwire10-com-and-frostwiredownload-org-are-fraud-sites/ http://frostwire.wordpress.com/2011/11/30/beware-of-frostwire-software-p2p-com-its-a-scam-fraud-impostors/ Thanks for your support and for your suggestion On 1/20/12 4:03 PM, Quiliro Ordóñez Baca wrote: Hi. I am a free software advocate. I would like to congratulate and thank you for such a complete solution for searching and downloading stuff. Most of all I think it is great to have such a great software licensed GNU GPL version 3 ... the latest and most freedom protective license. I have issues that I politely want to comment on. The website says that there are web sites that sell subscriptions to the software and that Frostwire is free software for which that is a scam. I have entered your chatrooms and sunburst has clarified that those sites are advertizing that they give support and they don't. The GNU GPL allows anyone to sell, lease or give away the software. That would not be a violation and saying that about the sale of Frostwire would confuse people into thinking that freedom and gratuity are the same. The license does not restrict selling. It does not say anything about scams but please clarify in your site that the scam is not to charge for the software but to trick users. We would be very happy to see this and it would make us continue to trust Frostwie
Re: [GNU-linux-libre] Thunderbird 6.0+ doesn't allow extension URL modification
On 04/10/11 11:40, Jason Self wrote: Nicolás Reynoldsfa...@kiwwwi.com.ar wrote .. Hi, the update from thunderbird 3 to 7 is late at Parabola because we can't find a way to modify the extension URL[1] to not show the default recommended addons page. If you know how to do it please do, otherwise you can vote up this question[0] so thunderbird devs can see it. It looks like there might be some interesting things found in /mail/app/profile/all-thunderbird.js Is this the compete path or is it part? -- Quiliro
Re: [GNU-linux-libre] Thunderbird 6.0+ doesn't allow extension URL modification
El mar 04 oct 2011 11:40:32 ECT, Jason Self escribió: It looks like there might be some interesting things found in /mail/app/profile/all-thunderbird.js, including things like an extensions.GetAddons.get.url, etc. Haven't actually tried it, just running grep and looking for stuff. I don't have that directory or that file on the Arch binary. It used to be the one we modified but it no longer exits in the binary. -- Quiliro Ordóñez 09 821 8696 02 340 1517 No se puede sacrificar la libertad por ningún bien, por ninguna promesa de pan o de paz o de justicia, porque ese pan tendría amargura de veneno, esa paz sería de muerte, y esa justicia no sería justicia humana ni tendría sentido. Alfredo Pérez Guerrero Não se pode sacrificar a liberdade por nenhum bem, por nenhuma promessa de pan ou de paz ou de justiça, porque esse pan teria amargura de veneno, essa paz seria de morte, e essa justiça não seria justiça humana nem faria sentido. Alfredo Pérez Guerrero
Re: [GNU-linux-libre] Thunderbird 6.0+ doesn't allow extension URL modification
On 04/10/11 11:40, Jason Self wrote: Nicolás Reynoldsfa...@kiwwwi.com.ar wrote .. Hi, the update from thunderbird 3 to 7 is late at Parabola because we can't find a way to modify the extension URL[1] to not show the default recommended addons page. If you know how to do it please do, otherwise you can vote up this question[0] so thunderbird devs can see it. It looks like there might be some interesting things found in /mail/app/profile/all-thunderbird.js, including things like an extensions.GetAddons.get.url, etc. Haven't actually tried it, just running grep and looking for stuff. I cannot find that folder or the file you mention. Do you suggest creating it? Here is the bug report in Parabola https://bugs.parabolagnulinux.org/bugs/issue204 -- Quiliro Ordóñez 09 821 8696 02 340 1517 No se puede sacrificar la libertad por ningún bien, por ninguna promesa de pan o de paz o de justicia, porque ese pan tendría amargura de veneno, esa paz sería de muerte, y esa justicia no sería justicia humana ni tendría sentido. Alfredo Pérez Guerrero Não se pode sacrificar a liberdade por nenhum bem, por nenhuma promessa de pan ou de paz ou de justiça, porque esse pan teria amargura de veneno, essa paz seria de morte, e essa justiça não seria justiça humana nem faria sentido. Alfredo Pérez Guerrero
Re: [GNU-linux-libre] dyne:III and a text on linux-libre
On 09/09/11 08:45, Jaromil wrote: re all, yesterday I've managed to release dyne:bolic 3.0.0 codename MUNIR which represents a new course of development for our distribution, also thanks to the review and suggestions contributed here. here is the full release announcement: http://ftp.dyne.org/dynebolic/README Congratulations Jaromil! Will propagate... Here below is the text I'm talking about: it elaborats a comparison between the food system industry and the influence of patents and proprietary technologies to that of the software world, so that it can show the ethical reasons moving us to remove anything that is not 100% free, also at the price of supporting less hardware (one of the most common objections to our choice..) I like it. Will you place it in a wiki so we can make our changes? -- Quiliro Ordóñez 09 821 8696 02 340 1517 No se puede sacrificar la libertad por ningún bien, por ninguna promesa de pan o de paz o de justicia, porque ese pan tendría amargura de veneno, esa paz sería de muerte, y esa justicia no sería justicia humana ni tendría sentido. Alfredo Pérez Guerrero Não se pode sacrificar a liberdade por nenhum bem, por nenhuma promessa de pan ou de paz ou de justiça, porque esse pan teria amargura de veneno, essa paz seria de morte, e essa justiça não seria justiça humana nem faria sentido. Alfredo Pérez Guerrero
Re: [GNU-linux-libre] Request for Endorsement for ConnochaetOS
supporters. This aren't open source people, because they even rejected the term open source. We shouldn't accuse people who are using the term open source to be against software freedom and as such be enemies of software freedom, because that wouldn't do justice to them. There is no acusation. It is just a valuation of the situation from my personal point of view. In life, a generalization makes better decisions if care is to be taken to consider that there are some exceptions. I do not hold anything against people. I just have my own values and disagree with opensource which accepts nonfree software. I am in favor of free software which is against nonfree software and not against people. I value people. -- Quiliro Ordóñez 09 821 8696 02 340 1517 No se puede sacrificar la libertad por ningún bien, por ninguna promesa de pan o de paz o de justicia, porque ese pan tendría amargura de veneno, esa paz sería de muerte, y esa justicia no sería justicia humana ni tendría sentido. Alfredo Pérez Guerrero Não se pode sacrificar a liberdade por nenhum bem, por nenhuma promessa de pan ou de paz ou de justiça, porque esse pan teria amargura de veneno, essa paz seria de morte, e essa justiça não seria justiça humana nem faria sentido. Alfredo Pérez Guerrero
Re: [GNU-linux-libre] Request for Endorsement for ConnochaetOS
On 30/08/11 14:44, Henry Jensen wrote: On Tue, 30 Aug 2011 19:55:45 +0100 Michael Dorringtonmichael.dorring...@gmail.com wrote: I am in the UK and I understand the difference so it isn't only America. And I am fairly sure that LibrePlanet Italia understands the difference http://libreplanet.org/wiki/LibrePlanetItalia . The terms are only interchangeable by people/groups who don't understand or want to purposefully confuse them. Have a (re-)read of the following: I know and read this documents. I only try to understand why there are so different views about this issues in the free software movement, namely FSF and FSFE (at least here in Germany), which is a little irritating. I suggest you regard official FSFE's positions from their website in: https://fsfe.org/about/basics/freesoftware https://fsfe.org/documents/whyfs-howto And disregard previous statements from FSFE officers that present very different positions from those. -- Quiliro Ordóñez 09 821 8696 02 340 1517 No se puede sacrificar la libertad por ningún bien, por ninguna promesa de pan o de paz o de justicia, porque ese pan tendría amargura de veneno, esa paz sería de muerte, y esa justicia no sería justicia humana ni tendría sentido. Alfredo Pérez Guerrero Não se pode sacrificar a liberdade por nenhum bem, por nenhuma promessa de pan ou de paz ou de justiça, porque esse pan teria amargura de veneno, essa paz seria de morte, e essa justiça não seria justiça humana nem faria sentido. Alfredo Pérez Guerrero
Re: [GNU-linux-libre] Request for Endorsement for ConnochaetOS
Dear Henry Jensen: I find that your misunderstanding is because the permanent opensource position to minimize our position which has made many people believe that we just want to fight over non trascendental issues. It is an important issue for us and if we are to work together with open source, the first step is that they recognize we do not have the same values as they do but that we can collaborate. We understand their position but they do not understand ours. I beleive FSFE has to define if they agree with FSF or OSI. Maybe Richard Stallman's position in reply to Karsten Gerloff (president of FSFE) will show you what is the position of FSF. On 31/08/11 08:02, Richard Stallman wrote: Please stop telling people that free software is another name for open source! From our point of view, Open Source Software and Free Software are just two different names for the same thing, with the names (and the people who use them) having a focus on different aspects. That's not a point of view, it is just a mistake. It isn't true, and it undermines our efforts to teach people where we stand. This doesn't sound so different from a statement by Richard on November 17, 2008: Free software and open source are the names of two different political viewpoints within the free software community - the community built by the free software movement. You seem to have got my meaning 180 degrees wrong. I did not say they are the same -- quite the contrary, I said they are two different political viewpoints. I could have said opposing political viewpoints, but I was trying to be gentle about it, following your advice. Sometimes I say they are political parties, because free software and open source are analogous to political parties that disagree on basic issues. Green and Democratic are two political camps in the US. Does that mean they are two names for the same country? No, neither one is a name for the country. Each one is the name of a party. Likewise, free software is the name of one party, and open source is the name of another party. These two parties disagree about What's this all about? Do you follow? Thus far I've explained how these two are different. Now to turn to strategy: here's why it is vital to show people they are different. If you go around saying Green and Democratic are the same thing, you would do the Green Party tremendous damage. Likewise, saying that free software and open source are the same thing does the Free Software Movement tremendous damage. The main point we try to communicate people is Insist on freedom in your software. The open source camp rejects that. They outnumber us; everyone in our community has heard their views. And everyone in our community tends to assume we share those views. And they will keep assuming this until we stand in front of them and shout: NO we do NOT agree with the open source views you have heard!!! This is something DIFFERENT -- VERY DEEPLY different!!! Some people need this several times before they actually believe we are different from open source. Please do not tell them we are the same as open source. That works against our efforts. Since you think your statement was similar to mine, Free software and open source are the names of two different political viewpoints within the free software community - the community built by the free software movement. how about saying precisely that? It tells people what we need them to know, about the difference. On 31/08/11 08:02, Richard Stallman wrote: If we want to bring people over to our point of view, it is important to bridge the gap, rather than to open it further. In general we can't bring confirmed open source supporters to our side; they won't change their stand. The people we can convince are the people who have not yet made up their minds. In order to win them over, we have to show them there is a choice for them to make. We have to show that we stand for something _different_ from the open source ideas that they hear from so many others. In my experience, that works. I don't insist you focus on telling people about this difference. But stop trying to negate the efforts of those of us who do. -- Quiliro Ordóñez 09 821 8696 02 340 1517 No se puede sacrificar la libertad por ningún bien, por ninguna promesa de pan o de paz o de justicia, porque ese pan tendría amargura de veneno, esa paz sería de muerte, y esa justicia no sería justicia humana ni tendría sentido. Alfredo Pérez Guerrero Não se pode sacrificar a liberdade por nenhum bem, por nenhuma promessa de pan ou de paz ou de justiça, porque esse pan teria amargura de veneno, essa paz seria de morte, e essa justiça não seria justiça humana nem faria sentido. Alfredo Pérez Guerrero
Re: [GNU-linux-libre] Request for Endorsement for ConnochaetOS
On 20/08/11 04:52, Henry Jensen wrote: On Thu, 18 Aug 2011 15:03:48 + Ineievine...@gnu.org wrote: Anyway, I think this discussion is a little off-topic on this list. It is being discussed whether a free distribution may want to represent itself as Open Source. I think there is a misunderstanding. ConnochaetOS, as far as I as the maintainer can stand for it, represents itself explicitly as Free Software. However, I am not alone and there are people who help the project, especially in the forum by answering questions from users and doing some documentation in the wiki. They feel obligated to free software. But they may use sometimes wordings that may look unfortunate by some other people in the Free Software Community. This is how we came here. Now, there are some points that should be clarified: 1. The Free System Distribution Guidelines doesn't require to use or to avoid explicit wordings. It requires that a free distro must take care not to recommend nonfree software. The FSDG covers content of a free distros documentation, but there is no prescribed terminology. If I am mistaken, please correct me. If we use terminology that promotes the ideas of people that do not value freedom, we promote their ideas and not ours. Please consider that. 2. In the explicit case it is discussed if it is okay, if some members of a free distro use the term open source in its documentation. I had a discussion with a representative of the FSFE about this matter, and the FSFEs summarized point of view is We prefer the term free software, but if you say open source it is fine with us, because it is the same thing. So, from the FSFEs point of view there should be no problem. Richard said he is discussing this issue with FSFE. FSF does not support that position. In fact, FSF regards opensource software as something good but the opensource ideas as bad. It sounds contradictory but it isn't because some of what they do agrees with what we do but not all so the terms are not interchangeable. I myself see this matter a little more severe. I think the term free software should be used, and I correct wordings occasionally. But since many new users are involved and the community is growing I can't control every sentence they write. What's more: In a hypothetical discussion in our community about this issue, a member who uses the term open source can always refer to the FSFE and say Hey, the FSFE said, it is okay when I say open source. Since 90 percent of our community is living in Europe that would be a reasonable point and one could hardly argue against that. Please get an official written statement from FSFE stating that. It would clear up things for all of us. Regards, Henry Great work! -- Quiliro Ordóñez 09 821 8696 02 340 1517 No se puede sacrificar la libertad por ningún bien, por ninguna promesa de pan o de paz o de justicia, porque ese pan tendría amargura de veneno, esa paz sería de muerte, y esa justicia no sería justicia humana ni tendría sentido. Alfredo Pérez Guerrero Não se pode sacrificar a liberdade por nenhum bem, por nenhuma promessa de pan ou de paz ou de justiça, porque esse pan teria amargura de veneno, essa paz seria de morte, e essa justiça não seria justiça humana nem faria sentido. Alfredo Pérez Guerrero
Re: [GNU-linux-libre] Request for Endorsement for ConnochaetOS
On 22/08/11 09:48, Henry Jensen wrote: Hi Quiliro, On Mon, 22 Aug 2011 07:57:10 -0500 Quiliro Ordóñezquil...@congresolibre.org wrote: I don't see where the problem is to erradicate things that do bad such as hunger, infant death and user subjugating software. The problem is the attitude. I can propagate my message in a positive style (Use free software to be in control of your computer) or in a negative style (Don't use proprietary software, it subjugates you and should be eradicated). With the former message I tell, that free software is good for users and as such has a positive message. The latter one is negative argument which has often a paradoxical and defensively effect, which can even lead to the result, that some people think that I am a lunatic. Simple marketing psychology. It is OK to use the terms in a positive way but not to be distracted from the issue of freedom. A position more according to FSF and in the positive sense as you propose would be: Use ONLY free software to be in control of your computer. The point is: If you seek FSFs endorsement for ConnochaetOS, I would think that you agree with their philisophy and not with OSI's http://osi.org I didn't mention OSI anywhere. Of course I support the free software philosophy. But I don't think it would be good to exclude open source activists or people who use the term open source instead of free software. There is no sharp boundary between those camps anyway. You do not mention them but propose the same things as they do. Freedom takes sacrifice. George W. Bush, 2005, about the war in Iraq You cannot compare searching for freedom with attacking another country and killing people. I do not propose hurting anybody or killing people for the sake of freedom. That is contradictory. Please do not use that type of camparison. It makes me feel you think that I am equal to that terrible person. It is for me as if I would compare you to Hitler. -- Quiliro Ordóñez 09 821 8696 02 340 1517 No se puede sacrificar la libertad por ningún bien, por ninguna promesa de pan o de paz o de justicia, porque ese pan tendría amargura de veneno, esa paz sería de muerte, y esa justicia no sería justicia humana ni tendría sentido. Alfredo Pérez Guerrero Não se pode sacrificar a liberdade por nenhum bem, por nenhuma promessa de pan ou de paz ou de justiça, porque esse pan teria amargura de veneno, essa paz seria de morte, e essa justiça não seria justiça humana nem faria sentido. Alfredo Pérez Guerrero
Re: [GNU-linux-libre] Request for Endorsement for ConnochaetOS
be far from off. The problem is, if you say, that a certain philosophy or idea is so evil as hunger and death you make the first step in spreading hatred. Saying something is not good does not imply hatred. Asking for rights and protesting for abuses was the way of Gandhi and he is know for peace. Not only towards that philosophy or idea but to the people who stand for it as well. The next person who hear you say, that a philosophy or an idea is so evil, may come to the conclusion that the people who are standing for this idea are evil as well and should be punished. I would not support that in any way. Evil people are not the same as bad actions. I do not beleive in punishment. I beleive in rights. Before you know it there will be hatred against other people, with all its consequences. Spreading hatred is always wrong, no matter for which cause. I agree. Asking for rights and protesting for abuses does not involve hatred but rather describes love for people and for their equal care. -- Quiliro Ordóñez 09 821 8696 02 340 1517 No se puede sacrificar la libertad por ningún bien, por ninguna promesa de pan o de paz o de justicia, porque ese pan tendría amargura de veneno, esa paz sería de muerte, y esa justicia no sería justicia humana ni tendría sentido. Alfredo Pérez Guerrero Não se pode sacrificar a liberdade por nenhum bem, por nenhuma promessa de pan ou de paz ou de justiça, porque esse pan teria amargura de veneno, essa paz seria de morte, e essa justiça não seria justiça humana nem faria sentido. Alfredo Pérez Guerrero
Re: [GNU-linux-libre] Request for Endorsement for ConnochaetOS
At http://www.fsf.org/working-together/gang/ the FSF even endorses FreeBSD, which is known to have proprietary software in their ports. (personally I think, FreeBSD shouldn't be listed there. If they must list a BSD system it should be OpenBSD, which has, in contrast to FreeBSD, an explicit free software agenda). I don't see FreeBSD as an endorsed free OS. Will you please provide the link to report that bug? Possibly they are refering to its kernel which I beleive is free http://www.fsf.org/working-together/gang/freebsd . Nevertheless, it shouldn't be endoresed because it promotes non free software. -- Quiliro Ordóñez 09 821 8696 02 340 1517 No se puede sacrificar la libertad por ningún bien, por ninguna promesa de pan o de paz o de justicia, porque ese pan tendría amargura de veneno, esa paz sería de muerte, y esa justicia no sería justicia humana ni tendría sentido. Alfredo Pérez Guerrero Não se pode sacrificar a liberdade por nenhum bem, por nenhuma promessa de pan ou de paz ou de justiça, porque esse pan teria amargura de veneno, essa paz seria de morte, e essa justiça não seria justiça humana nem faria sentido. Alfredo Pérez Guerrero
Re: [GNU-linux-libre] Trademark licenses, example in Firefox
Do you have any other proposal or should we leave this thread die? You can do whatever you like. I give you my blessings. What do you propose, Diego? It would be important to know and consider your opinion so something useful can be done. Debating without a proposal is useless. You have a lot of experience and vision about these issues so your proposal will probably have a great possibility to have acceptance and success. Please give us an alternative so we can take some steps forward. Otherwise we are just wasting our time. -- Quiliro Ordóñez 09 821 8696 02 340 1517 No se puede sacrificar la libertad por ningún bien, por ninguna promesa de pan o de paz o de justicia, porque ese pan tendría amargura de veneno, esa paz sería de muerte, y esa justicia no sería justicia humana ni tendría sentido. Alfredo Pérez Guerrero Não se pode sacrificar a liberdade por nenhum bem, por nenhuma promessa de pan ou de paz ou de justiça, porque esse pan teria amargura de veneno, essa paz seria de morte, e essa justiça não seria justiça humana nem faria sentido. Alfredo Pérez Guerrero
[GNU-linux-libre] Arrested
Friends- Breaking news: Demand Progress has obtained documents that reveal a radical shift in how law enforcement is policing the Internet. Brian McCarthy ran a website that linked to various sites where you could watch online streams of TV shows and sports networks. A couple months ago, the government seized his domain name and on Friday they arrested him and charged him with criminal copyright infringement -- punishable by five years in prison. We just dug up the complaint, and you can view it here. Click here to tell the government that there's nothing illegal about linking to another website -- and that they need to drop the charges right away! http://act.demandprogress.org/sign/dhscomplaint/?referring_akid=.423296.Gm2XIosource=mailto The complaint reveals that the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) and Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) don't even allege that McCarthy made a copy of anything! Just that his site linked to various sites with copyrighted material. Under that sort of thinking, everyone who's sent around a link to a copyrighted YouTube video is a criminal! This is another shocking overreach by DHS and ICE -- a steamship-era department that's proving once again that it doesn't understand the Internet. We need to push back -- and fast -- before they try to lock up more Americans. Will you click here to tell DHS and ICE to back off? http://act.demandprogress.org/sign/dhscomplaint/?referring_akid=.423296.Gm2XIosource=mailto Thanks for fighting back! -- Quiliro Ordóñez 09 821 8696 02 340 1517
[GNU-linux-libre] videoconference for installfest at 200 sites
The FLISoL takes place at nearly 200 sites all over Latinamerica. We would like to stream 30 minute prerecorded videoconferences on ogg at these sites. The talks should be about technical topics but should promote the use of 100% free software. The idea is to have the stream and then receive questions by IRC and to answer them live. Please contact me or reply to this thead before April 7 because FLISoL is the 9th. Thank you. -- Quiliro Ordóñez 09 821 8696 02 340 1517
Re: [GNU-linux-libre] chromium not free?
El 23/03/11 12:09, Daniel Olivera escribió: El 23/03/11 17:37, Nicolás Reynolds escribió: .. May I ask if you do that with every package, and if that is the reason for leaving blobs inside UTUTO's kernel? They say is GPL2 after all. Saludos a todos esta lista me canso. Una mas No se es mejor porque el otro sea peor. Se es mejor porque se crean mejores cosas. El software libre da asco en la actualidad, sobre todos quienes se auto nombran para el consejo de sabios Que yo sepa el SL es para crear espacios de libertad. Por si no sabian la inquisicion termino hace 500 años. Alla ustedes con esta lista que no aporta nada. Yo me retiro. Daniel has left the list. The translation below: Goodbye everyone this list has got me tyred. One more that has... One is not better because another is worse. One is better because one creates better stuff. Free software is disgusting now, especially those who are self named for the council of wise men In my bookFSis forcreating spaces for freedom. In case you did not know the Inquisition ended 500 years ago. The hell with you with this list that does nothing. I withdraw. -- Quiliro Ordóñez 09 821 8696 02 340 1517
Re: [GNU-linux-libre] chromium not free?
El 23/03/11 17:44, Jason Self escribió: Quiliro Ordóñezquil...@congresolibre.org wrote .. Does this mean you cannot have the freedom to modify this information file? It doesn't specifically say that, no... only that you may recompile and redistribute. Nothing more. Nevertheless, it says all rights reserved. Doesn't that mean that all other right not specifically mentioned are reserved?
Re: [GNU-linux-libre] chromium not free?
Thank you very much people. I now have a clearer panorama. Can conclude (as of the info provided) that Debian and Ubuntu introduce a lot of files/licencing changes in Chromium that are not on the source of Chromium?
Re: [GNU-linux-libre] chromium not free?
El 23/03/11 10:14, Rubén Rodríguez escribió: I now have a clearer panorama. How? With the info provided in this thread and the one in Ututo's list. Can conclude (as of the info provided) that Debian and Ubuntu introduce a lot of files/licencing changes in Chromium that are not on the source of Chromium? No, they don't. What they do is actually look into the files they distribute instead of assume the upstream license is ok. That's why their copyright file is more detailed. OK. Thank you for the information.
Re: [GNU-linux-libre] chromium not free?
El 23/03/11 11:17, Daniel Olivera escribió: El 23/03/11 17:04, Rubén Rodríguez escribió: Do you know where to find a chromium source tarball which is verified free software? Please try in super secret site at www.chromium.org You can download alse an svn copy for developers at src.chromium.org So, either you verified that those sources are free software or you think there is no reason to doubt the upstream licensor about it. Since Debian people did check the contents of those sources and wrote the longest and most untrustworthy copyright file ever, I'm guessing you did the latter. May I ask if you do that with every package, and if that is the reason for leaving blobs inside UTUTO's kernel? They say is GPL2 after all. Saludos a todos esta lista me canso. Una mas No se es mejor porque el otro sea peor. Se es mejor porque se crean mejores cosas. El software libre da asco en la actualidad, sobre todos quienes se auto nombran para el consejo de sabios Que yo sepa el SL es para crear espacios de libertad. Por si no sabian la inquisicion termino hace 500 años. Alla ustedes con esta lista que no aporta nada. Yo creo que todo el trabajo que contribuya a que se conozca la verdad y nos ayude a todos a verificar que el software que se incluya aporta mucho para el desarrollo de todos los proyectos libres.
Re: [GNU-linux-libre] chromium not free?
El 23/03/11 10:25, crap0101 escribió: Il giorno mer, 23/03/2011 alle 09.42 -0500, Quiliro Ordóñez ha scritto: Thank you very much people. I now have a clearer panorama. Can conclude (as of the info provided) that Debian and Ubuntu introduce a lot of files/licencing changes in Chromium that are not on the source of Chromium? I don't think debian/ubuntu introduce anything. the changelog posted by Rubén try to enumerate every licence/copyright notice found in the source, but most are marked as 'unknown' because they haven't (this not mean those files are not free by dafault, but probably needs to be checked out). Thanks for the info Crap0101. For example, two files marked as unknown: #---# http://src.chromium.org/viewvc/chrome/trunk/src/base/third_party/purify/pure.h?view=markup #---# /* * Header file of Pure API function declarations. * * (C) Copyright IBM Corporation. 2006, 2006. All Rights Reserved. * You may recompile and redistribute these definitions as required. Does this mean you cannot have the freedom to modify this information file? If this is the case, then it is not free.
Re: [GNU-linux-libre] chromium not free?
El 23/03/11 12:09, Daniel Olivera escribió: El 23/03/11 17:37, Nicolás Reynolds escribió: .. May I ask if you do that with every package, and if that is the reason for leaving blobs inside UTUTO's kernel? They say is GPL2 after all. Saludos a todos esta lista me canso. Una mas No se es mejor porque el otro sea peor. Se es mejor porque se crean mejores cosas. El software libre da asco en la actualidad, sobre todos quienes se auto nombran para el consejo de sabios Que yo sepa el SL es para crear espacios de libertad. Por si no sabian la inquisicion termino hace 500 años. Alla ustedes con esta lista que no aporta nada. Yo me retiro. Me parece que hizo preguntas que vale la pena responder, aunque el tono del hilo haya subido bastante. Normalmente en estas listas algo falsas de encontrar la verdad de la verdad y perder el tiempo en ello no son mas que un metodo de perder el tiempo. Pienso que todos los pasos para verificar si algo es libre no es pérdida de tiempo. Es la esencia del movimiento de software libre y es lo que Richard siempre hace. Para saber si un software es libre con leer la licencia alcanza. Debatir sobre la interpretacion de la licencia como si fuese algun libro antiguo no hace mas que molestar y no tiene sentido. No es por ahí que (al menos yo) se está yendo. Entiendo que el software contiene muchos archivos y que las licencias de cada uno pueden ser distintas. Luego cuando las cosas ya rayan el ridiculo. Como buscar lo que dice ubuntu de chromium en ves de buscar lo que dicen los autores de chromium, la salida es desviar hacia a atacar a algun grupo que suele tenersele algo de envidia y mucho de rabia. No está eso en la página de Ubuntu. Está en la de Chromium. Es aquí por ejemplo: http://src.chromium.org/viewvc/chrome/trunk/src/base/third_party/purify/pure.h?view=markup El punto es: ¿esto es libre? Lo pregunto porque no lo se. Quiero saber y no es para molestar. UTUTO cae en ese objetivo,porque no esta alineado, tiene su propia via y estudia, aprende, no abre debates sobre el sexo de los angeles El SL es un camino que puede mostrar algo de libertad. Pero esa libertad no es para el software, es para el humano que hace uso de este. Debatir si en el sitio de ubuntu, chromium dice unknow es perder el tiempo. No es por Ubuntu. Ubuntu como Linux, Chomium o miles de otros son fuentes de información a verificar. ¿Quizá lo que quieres decir es: Muestren cuáles son los archivos privativos que tiene Chromium?
[GNU-linux-libre] chromium not free?
http://libreplanet.org/wiki/Software_blacklist#chromium-browser says: (1) Copyright or license of some code is unclear (2) Links to proprietary plugins. ¿Could someone specify which so it can be removed/replaced for Ututo?
Re: [GNU-linux-libre] [Parabola MIPS Port] Update and current status
El 18/03/11 22:44, Nicolás Reynolds escribió: Hi, just wanted to let you know what's the status of the Parabola port to the MIPS architecture, optimized for loongson2f (Lemote machines). In case you don't know, we have to rebuild all of Parabola packages from the ground up. We have almost all [core] working, and a bootable system that's usable and stable. We also have a native toolchain provided by wobsite! Wobsite is also attending at LibrePlanet 2011, that starts today, so if you meet him there he can tell you all the funny and not so funny stories of the porting work :) I think we'll soon have an installable medium. Right now, if you have a Lemote machine you can untar this archive[0], which contains the base and base-devel groups needed to boot and start packaging. [0] http://repo.parabolagnulinux.org/mips64el/base.tar.gz This si great. Congratulations! A big thank you to all Parabola team for making this world have more freedom. Is there a howto for people who want to try it?
[GNU-linux-libre] is sugar CRM 100% libre?
I would like to promote Sugar CRM but beforehand would like to make sure if it it 100% free as in freedom. Would anybody know? -- Saludos/Greetings Quiliro Ordóñez 593(2)340 1517 / 593(9)821 8696 Even The Troops Are Waking Up http://tinyogg.com/watch/My8SB/ ACTA – Un acuerdo que puede garantizar la crucificción de internethttp://quiliro.wordpress.com GNU should mean GNU's not Ubuntu!http://quidam.cc/03-03-2010/gnu-should-mean-gnus-not-ubuntu Lo único que se necesita para que triunfe el mal es que los hombres de bien no hagan nada. Sergei Bondarchuk Estas son opiniones personales y no representan la posición de organización alguna.
[GNU-linux-libre] Re: is sugar CRM 100% libre?
2010/9/22 Quiliro Ordóñez quil...@gmail.com I would like to promote Sugar CRM but beforehand would like to make sure if it it 100% free as in freedom. Would anybody know? http://www.sugarcrm.com/crm/products/editions.html#compare I found this. Whould I suggest the use of the community edition or will that lead to use of non free software. -- Saludos/Greetings Quiliro Ordóñez 593(2)340 1517 / 593(9)821 8696 Even The Troops Are Waking Up http://tinyogg.com/watch/My8SB/ ACTA – Un acuerdo que puede garantizar la crucificción de internethttp://quiliro.wordpress.com GNU should mean GNU's not Ubuntu!http://quidam.cc/03-03-2010/gnu-should-mean-gnus-not-ubuntu Lo único que se necesita para que triunfe el mal es que los hombres de bien no hagan nada. Sergei Bondarchuk Estas son opiniones personales y no representan la posición de organización alguna.
[GNU-linux-libre] Linux freedom for Live in italian
Does anyone have any idea what this is? I found it here http://sourceforge.net/projects/linuxfreedomfor/ It is in italian so I do not understand what it proposes. -- Saludos/Greetings Quiliro Ordóñez 593(2)340 1517 / 593(9)821 8696 Even The Troops Are Waking Up http://tinyogg.com/watch/My8SB/ ACTA – Un acuerdo que puede garantizar la crucificción de internethttp://quiliro.wordpress.com GNU should mean GNU's not Ubuntu!http://quidam.cc/03-03-2010/gnu-should-mean-gnus-not-ubuntu Lo único que se necesita para que triunfe el mal es que los hombres de bien no hagan nada. Sergei Bondarchuk Estas son opiniones personales y no representan la posición de organización alguna.
Re: [GNU-linux-libre] is sugar CRM 100% libre?
2010/9/22 Bryan Baldwin br...@katofiad.co.nz -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 09/23/2010 04:05 AM, Quiliro Ordóñez wrote: I would like to promote Sugar CRM but beforehand would like to make sure if it it 100% free as in freedom. Would anybody know? Last time I checked, SugarCRM retained some functionality under a non-free license. If you are interested in 100% libre CRM, check out vTiger. http://www.vtiger.com/ Thank you very much. :-) -- Saludos/Greetings Quiliro Ordóñez 593(2)340 1517 / 593(9)821 8696 Even The Troops Are Waking Up http://tinyogg.com/watch/My8SB/ ACTA – Un acuerdo que puede garantizar la crucificción de internethttp://quiliro.wordpress.com GNU should mean GNU's not Ubuntu!http://quidam.cc/03-03-2010/gnu-should-mean-gnus-not-ubuntu Lo único que se necesita para que triunfe el mal es que los hombres de bien no hagan nada. Sergei Bondarchuk Estas son opiniones personales y no representan la posición de organización alguna.
[GNU-linux-libre] anybody have this video hardware?
Would anybody please tell me if any of these hardwares work with free software (drivers and firmware)? Display Link DL-120 Display Link DL-160 Display Link DL-165 Display Link DL-190 Display Link DL-195 MCT Trigger UV-105CB-128 MCT Trigger UV-185CB-128 MCT Trigger UV-185CC-176 Ati Radeon 7000 Ati Radeon 7500 Ati Radeon 9000 Thank you very much. :-) -- Saludos/Greetings Quiliro Ordóñez 593(2)340 1517 / 593(9)821 8696 Even The Troops Are Waking Up http://tinyogg.com/watch/My8SB/ ACTA – Un acuerdo que puede garantizar la crucificción de internethttp://quiliro.wordpress.com GNU should mean GNU's not Ubuntu!http://quidam.cc/03-03-2010/gnu-should-mean-gnus-not-ubuntu Lo único que se necesita para que triunfe el mal es que los hombres de bien no hagan nada. Sergei Bondarchuk Estas son opiniones personales y no representan la posición de organización alguna.
[GNU-linux-libre] Re: anybody have this video hardware?
Found this : http://www.engadget.com/2009/05/16/displaylink-makes-linux-source-code-available-finally
[GNU-linux-libre] Re: anybody have this video hardware?
And this: http://floe.butterbrot.org/displaylink/doku.php -- Saludos/Greetings Quiliro Ordóñez 593(2)340 1517 / 593(9)821 8696 Even The Troops Are Waking Up http://tinyogg.com/watch/My8SB/ ACTA – Un acuerdo que puede garantizar la crucificción de internethttp://quiliro.wordpress.com GNU should mean GNU's not Ubuntu!http://quidam.cc/03-03-2010/gnu-should-mean-gnus-not-ubuntu Lo único que se necesita para que triunfe el mal es que los hombres de bien no hagan nada. Sergei Bondarchuk Estas son opiniones personales y no representan la posición de organización alguna.
[GNU-linux-libre] Re: anybody have this video hardware?
And this: http://floe.butterbrot.org/displaylink/doku.php http://libdlo.freedesktop.org/wiki/
Re: [GNU-linux-libre] perl-Apache-AuthCookie
2010/8/29 Tlamaki GNU/Linux dis...@tlamaki.org Hi, ...licensing: http://cpansearch.perl.org/src/MSCHOUT/Apache-AuthCookie-3.15/LICENSE Sorry. Hello. I do not know how to define this package: http://www.novell.com/products/linuxpackages/opensuse/perl-apache-authcookie.html (free or non-free?) has this licensing: http://cpansearch.perl.org / src/MSCHOUT/Apache-AuthCookie-3.15/LICENSE :-) GNU GPL v1 or later or Artistic License Free! :) -- Saludos/Greetings Quiliro Ordóñez 593(2)340 1517 / 593(9)821 8696 Even The Troops Are Waking Up http://tinyogg.com/watch/My8SB/ ACTA – Un acuerdo que puede garantizar la crucificción de internethttp://quiliro.wordpress.com GNU should mean GNU's not Ubuntu!http://quidam.cc/03-03-2010/gnu-should-mean-gnus-not-ubuntu Lo único que se necesita para que triunfe el mal es que los hombres de bien no hagan nada. Sergei Bondarchuk Estas son opiniones personales y no representan la posición de organización alguna.
Re: [GNU-linux-libre] Introducing ConnochaetOS
But maybe one of their maintainers is reading this list? One of the maintainers gave me this address: dev [at] parabolagnulinux [dot] org :) -- Saludos/Greetings Quiliro Ordóñez 593(2)340 1517 / 593(9)821 8696 Even The Troops Are Waking Up http://tinyogg.com/watch/My8SB/ ACTA – Un acuerdo que puede garantizar la crucificción de internet http://quiliro.wordpress.com GNU should mean GNU's not Ubuntu! http://quidam.cc/03-03-2010/gnu-should-mean-gnus-not-ubuntu Estas son opiniones personales y no representan la posición de ninguna organización.
