Re: Register change in 1.3.7

2000-05-09 Thread Jonathan Corbet

  On the other hand, if I could get a "sort order" option on the reconcile
  window so that I could make it match the ordering on my bank statements, I
  would be just overjoyed...:)
 
 Let me ask how you see this working. So you want to reorder them by
 hand, right? Would you need to see the order again later, or just while
 you were reconciling?

No, I don't want to reorder them by hand.  A simple "sort order" menu like
the register window has would suffice.

Both my wife and I write checks on the account, using two different
checkbooks.  As a result, if you sort the checks by date (as does the
reconcile window), they will be out of order numerically.  To reconcile
things against what the bank thinks, I have to pass through the list three
or four times.

If, instead, things were listed in item number order (with unnumbered items
at one end or the other) like "that other program" did, reconciliation
would be quite a bit quicker.

jon

Jonathan Corbet
Executive editor, LWN.net
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Re: Register change in 1.3.7

2000-05-09 Thread Dave Peticolas

   On the other hand, if I could get a "sort order" option on the reconcile
   window so that I could make it match the ordering on my bank statements, 
 I
   would be just overjoyed...:)
  
  Let me ask how you see this working. So you want to reorder them by
  hand, right? Would you need to see the order again later, or just while
  you were reconciling?
 
 No, I don't want to reorder them by hand.  A simple "sort order" menu like
 the register window has would suffice.
 
 Both my wife and I write checks on the account, using two different
 checkbooks.  As a result, if you sort the checks by date (as does the
 reconcile window), they will be out of order numerically.  To reconcile
 things against what the bank thinks, I have to pass through the list three
 or four times.
 
 If, instead, things were listed in item number order (with unnumbered items
 at one end or the other) like "that other program" did, reconciliation
 would be quite a bit quicker.

Ohhh, I understand now. I don't write many checks, and my bank orders
ATM and debit card transactions (the bulk of my statement) by date.

Well, this makes things much simpler. I'll just add a menu like we have
in the register. My initial impression is to have separate orders for
debits and credits.

thanks,
dave



Register change in 1.3.7

2000-05-08 Thread Jonathan Corbet

I'm curious...  1.3.7 appears to have changed the register by swapping the
"deposit" and "payment" columns.  I suspect I'm far from the only person in
the lamentable position of making rather more payments than deposits; thus
this change just added a keystroke to almost every entry I make.  Is there
a reason why that was done?

jon

Jonathan Corbet
Executive editor, LWN.net
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Re: Register change in 1.3.7

2000-05-08 Thread Jonathan Corbet

  I'm curious...  1.3.7 appears to have changed the register by swapping the
  "deposit" and "payment" columns.
 [...]
 
 If you like, we can add an option to switch them back.

Dangerous talking...who's ever going to say they don't want you to add
something?

If such an option existed, I would make use of it.  If I could switch the
date and number columns, I would do that too.  But, in either case, one
learns to cope and rewire the finger patterns...  so I can't honestly say
that I think you should put this at the top of your todo list.

On the other hand, if I could get a "sort order" option on the reconcile
window so that I could make it match the ordering on my bank statements, I
would be just overjoyed...:)

jon

Jonathan Corbet
Executive editor, LWN.net
[EMAIL PROTECTED]



Re: Register change in 1.3.7

2000-05-08 Thread Dave Peticolas

   I'm curious...  1.3.7 appears to have changed the register by swapping th
   "deposit" and "payment" columns.
  [...]
  
  If you like, we can add an option to switch them back.
 
 Dangerous talking...who's ever going to say they don't want you to add
 something?
 
Well, true, but it's important to keep our users happy :)


 On the other hand, if I could get a "sort order" option on the reconcile
 window so that I could make it match the ordering on my bank statements, I
 would be just overjoyed...:)

Let me ask how you see this working. So you want to reorder them by
hand, right? Would you need to see the order again later, or just while
you were reconciling?

thanks,
dave



RE: Register change in 1.3.7

2000-05-08 Thread Leach, Chris J (Oakton)

 From: Dave
Peticolas[SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]

  On the other hand, if I could get a "sort order" option on the
reconcile
  window so that I could make it match the ordering on my bank
statements, I
  would be just overjoyed...:)

 Let me ask how you see this working. So you want to reorder them
by
 hand, right? Would you need to see the order again later, or just
while
 you were reconciling?

I would suggest that
   a) reconciled items ordered before unreconciled items
   b) unreconciled items be ordered by transaction date
   c) reconciled items ordered in order of clicking on them
i.e. As I read down my statement I find the next item
find it amongst the unreconciled items click on reconcile
and it moves to below the last reconciled item.

I would like to be able to get back to that view.

- Chris  



Re: Register change in 1.3.7

2000-05-08 Thread Gerald Champagne

 I would suggest that
a) reconciled items ordered before unreconciled items
b) unreconciled items be ordered by transaction date
c) reconciled items ordered in order of clicking on them
 i.e. As I read down my statement I find the next item
 find it amongst the unreconciled items click on reconcile
 and it moves to below the last reconciled item.
 
 I would like to be able to get back to that view.
 
 - Chris

This sounds like it could get confusing.  Click on a transaction, then poof, it
moves.  If you know what is going on, then it would make sense, but if you
don't know what's happening, then it could be confusing.

However... 

One way to implement your request would be to use a number in the reconciled 
field instead of a character.  In Quicken a "*" is used to note transactions 
that are cleared during the reconcile process.  The "*" is changed to an "X" 
when the reconcile is complete.  To implement this feature, replace the "*" 
with a number (or something else that can be sorted), then sort on that field 
first, followed by the date.

Gerald



RE: Reconciliation order (was Register change in 1.3.7)

2000-05-08 Thread Leach, Chris J (Oakton)

 From: Gerald Champagne[SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]

  I would suggest that
 a) reconciled items ordered before unreconciled items
 b) unreconciled items be ordered by transaction date
 c) reconciled items ordered in order of clicking on
them
  i.e. As I read down my statement I find the next item
  find it amongst the unreconciled items click on
reconcile
  and it moves to below the last reconciled item.

 This sounds like it could get confusing.  Click on a transaction,
then poof, it
 moves.  If you know what is going on, then it would make sense,
but if you
 don't know what's happening, then it could be confusing.

It should not be too confusing as the next item to reconcile should not
be too far away and may be the very next item. Uncleared checks and
transaction posted to the bank in a different order would however
sit between the reconciled section and the next item on the statement.
If focus remains with the moved item it should be fairly clear that all
items
above are reconciled and all below are not. You then read the next statement
entry and start looking down to find it in the register.

 However... 
 
 One way to implement your request would be to use a number in the
reconciled 
 field instead of a character.  In Quicken a "*" is used to note
transactions 
 that are cleared during the reconcile process.  The "*" is changed
to an "X" 
 when the reconcile is complete.  To implement this feature,
replace the "*" 
 with a number (or something else that can be sorted), then sort on
that field 
 first, followed by the date.

In this situation you would look up and down the register until you find
your
item click on reconcile (gnucash would automatically put in the next number)
then you click on sort, all entries with a number are now sorted by number
and those without are in transaction order below.
At this stage you have much the same view.

Which is better and easiest to use?
The one in which the sort occurs as you go maintaining the running
(to be) reconciled balance in which you only have to look down the register
for the next item
or the one in which you have to explicitly request the sort
and you have had to bounce around the register to find you items?

- Chris