Re: Flash Drive

[John Wright]

Thanks Christoph.

John


On 07/17/2017 01:42 AM, Christoph R wrote:

Hi John,

even if you gave up on the topic I would like to point you to: 
https://portableapps.com/de/apps/office/gnucash_portable.


I did not use it for a while but it worked for me nicely with an older 
version.


Cheers,
Christoph

Am 15.07.2017 um 21:31 schrieb John Wright >:


David,

I have pretty much given up on that idea, as you said its a very 
complex approach, and to be honest, probably not worth the time for 
the benefit.  I saw the space used on the hard drive, and yes I do 
have enough space for that, so I think I will store the data on the 
flash drive and run the app from the hard drive.  As you said, that's 
a pretty trivial thing to do and won't take a lot of time.


Thanks.

John


On 07/15/2017 12:19 AM, David T. wrote:

John,

I seem to have misunderstood. I thought you said you were only 
trying to store the data file on the flash drive; this sounds like 
you are trying to store the entire application there.


Storing the data file is trivial, but trying to load the entire 
application is another story. Since I am not a Linux guy, I will 
defer to the comments made here by the others about the difficulties 
of running an application from removable storage.


Gnucash on my mac takes a total of about 175Mb of space. Surely that 
could fit in the limited space available to you? If that is still a 
stretch, you can probably delete some of the different language help 
files; the Japanese docs especially eat up a lot of space.


David


   On Sat, Jul 15, 2017 at 1:08, John Wright
   mailto:minimudd...@gmail.com>> wrote:

   David,

   Yes, in fact I have gotten the error several times. My first
   attempt at running gnucash from a flash drive went this way. 
Installed it on the hard drive,  then moved all the gnucash files

   (except libs) to flash drive,  added a .desktop file to
   user/share/applications.  That worked ok, but I couldn't find the
   icon, and all the lib files were still on the hard drive.

   The reason I want to do this is that the laptop I just purchased
   has a 15GB m-stat sshd.  So I really don't have a lot of room to
   play with.  Sort of a throwback to the days when everything we ran
   was stored on floppy drives and either a very small hard drive or
   no hard drive at all.  Of course that was way before the internet.

   John


   On 07/14/2017 01:20 PM, David wrote:


   I guess it's lucky that John only wants to load his data from the
   flash drive, then.

   John, be aware that GnuCash always tries to load the last file it
   had open; if the folder isn't available when you fire it up, you
   will receive an error. Just be sure the USB stick is inserted and
   mounted before you start GC, and you should be fine.

   David



   
   *From:* David Carlson >

   
   *Sent:* Fri Jul 14 22:00:33 GMT+05:00 2017
   *To:* Robert Heller >

   
   *Cc:* "gnucash-user@gnucash.org "
    >

   , John Wright
   mailto:minimudd...@gmail.com>> 


   *Subject:* Re: Flash Drive

   Perhaps this is not sensible, but I once experimented with 
installing
   Gnucash on a USB key configured as a Tails OS with persistent 
storage.
   That is based on Debian Linux.  It worked, but it was somewhat 
clumsy.  The
   nice thing is that all the data is completely encrypted and 
insulated from

   intruders, "sandboxed" if you will.

   David C

   On Fri, Jul 14, 2017 at 10:30 AM, Robert 
Hellermailto:hel...@deepsoft.com>> 
  wrote:


   > At Fri, 14 Jul 2017 14:39:17 +0100 Colin Law 
mailto:clan...@gmail.com>> 
  wrote:

   >
   > >
   > > On this list you have to use Reply All to reply otherwise 
the message
   > > just goes to the previous user (as this did). Forwarding 
this to the

   > > list for information.  Also see reply below.
   > >
   > > On 14 July 2017 at 12:31, John Wright >   wrote:

   > > > Colin,
   > > >
   > > > Sorry for the confusion.  I what to just run gnucash from 
the flash

   > drive.
   > > > Fedora will be installed on the pc and gnucash as well as 
all the

   > gnucash
   > > > data will be on the flash drive.
   > >
   > > To be pedantic you don't want to run gnucash from the flash 
drive, you
   > > want to run gnucash from the HDD and write and read the 
accounts file
   > > to the removable drive, which should be no problem. Gnucash 
does not
   > > care where you save to and read from. If you want saved 
reports to be

   > > on the drive there may be a little more work.
  

Re: Flash Drive

[David T. via gnucash-user]

Christoph,
Portable apps,  I believe, is Windows only; John was working with Linux. But 
portable apps could help some others. 
David

 
 
  On Mon, Jul 17, 2017 at 11:43, Christoph R 
wrote:   Hi John,
even if you gave up on the topic I would like to point you to: 
https://portableapps.com/de/apps/office/gnucash_portable. 
I did not use it for a while but it worked for me nicely with an older version.

Cheers,
Christoph

Am 15.07.2017 um 21:31 schrieb John Wright :
David,

I have pretty much given up on that idea, as you said its a very complex 
approach, and to be honest, probably not worth the time for the benefit.  I saw 
the space used on the hard drive, and yes I do have enough space for that, so I 
think I will store the data on the flash drive and run the app from the hard 
drive.  As you said, that's a pretty trivial thing to do and won't take a lot 
of time.

Thanks.

John


On 07/15/2017 12:19 AM, David T. wrote:

John,

I seem to have misunderstood. I thought you said you were only trying to store 
the data file on the flash drive; this sounds like you are trying to store the 
entire application there.

Storing the data file is trivial, but trying to load the entire application is 
another story. Since I am not a Linux guy, I will defer to the comments made 
here by the others about the difficulties of running an application from 
removable storage.

Gnucash on my mac takes a total of about 175Mb of space. Surely that could fit 
in the limited space available to you? If that is still a stretch, you can 
probably delete some of the different language help files; the Japanese docs 
especially eat up a lot of space.

David


    On Sat, Jul 15, 2017 at 1:08, John Wright
     wrote:

    David,

    Yes, in fact I have gotten the error several times. My first
    attempt at running gnucash from a flash drive went this way. Installed 
it on the hard drive,  then moved all the gnucash files
    (except libs) to flash drive,  added a .desktop file to
    user/share/applications.  That worked ok, but I couldn't find the
    icon, and all the lib files were still on the hard drive.

    The reason I want to do this is that the laptop I just purchased
    has a 15GB m-stat sshd.  So I really don't have a lot of room to
    play with.  Sort of a throwback to the days when everything we ran
    was stored on floppy drives and either a very small hard drive or
    no hard drive at all.  Of course that was way before the internet.

    John


    On 07/14/2017 01:20 PM, David wrote:


    I guess it's lucky that John only wants to load his data from the
    flash drive, then.

    John, be aware that GnuCash always tries to load the last file it
    had open; if the folder isn't available when you fire it up, you
    will receive an error. Just be sure the USB stick is inserted and
    mounted before you start GC, and you should be fine.

    David



    
    *From:* David Carlson 
    
    *Sent:* Fri Jul 14 22:00:33 GMT+05:00 2017
    *To:* Robert Heller 
    
    *Cc:* "gnucash-user@gnucash.org"
     
    , John Wright
     
    *Subject:* Re: Flash Drive

    Perhaps this is not sensible, but I once experimented with installing
    Gnucash on a USB key configured as a Tails OS with persistent storage.
    That is based on Debian Linux.  It worked, but it was somewhat clumsy.  The
    nice thing is that all the data is completely encrypted and insulated from
    intruders, "sandboxed" if you will.

    David C

    On Fri, Jul 14, 2017 at 10:30 AM, Robert Heller 
  wrote:

    > At Fri, 14 Jul 2017 14:39:17 +0100 Colin Law  
  wrote:
    >
    > >
    > > On this list you have to use Reply All to reply otherwise the message
    > > just goes to the previous user (as this did). Forwarding this to the
    > > list for information.  Also see reply below.
    > >
    > > On 14 July 2017 at 12:31, John Wright  
  wrote:
    > > > Colin,
    > > >
    > > > Sorry for the confusion.  I what to just run gnucash from the flash
    > drive.
    > > > Fedora will be installed on the pc and gnucash as well as all the
    > gnucash
    > > > data will be on the flash drive.
    > >
    > > To be pedantic you don't want to run gnucash from the flash drive, you
    > > want to run gnucash from the HDD and write and read the accounts file
    > > to the removable drive, which should be no problem. Gnucash does not
    > > care where you save to and read from. If you want saved reports to be
    > > on the drive there may be a little more work.
    >
    > Most (all?) sensibly setup and configured Linux systems will refuse to
    > *run*
    > programs on removable media, since that is a massive security ri

Re: Flash Drive

[Greg Feneis]

In addition to Windows, it appears to work with the following:
(copied from web site)


   - *Also Works With*: Linux, Unix, BSD, etc via Wine
    & Mac OS X via CrossOver
   , Wineskin
   , WineBottler
   , PlayOnMac
   

I'm not very familiar with these non Windows OSes or CrossOver and the
like, but the OP might want to experiment with this and get back to us
about how it work 😉.

Kind regards,

Greg Feneis

 




On Mon, Jul 17, 2017 at 5:36 PM, Adrien Monteleone <
adrien.montele...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I think the OP was interested in using GC with Fedora. PortableApps.com
> appears to be Windows only.
>
> For Linux portability, something like a Snap might be the ticket which
> would solve the dependency linking problem. I’m not sure if there are any
> plans to package GC as a snap.
>
> Regards,
> Adrien
>
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Re: Flash Drive

[Adrien Monteleone]

I think the OP was interested in using GC with Fedora. PortableApps.com appears 
to be Windows only.

For Linux portability, something like a Snap might be the ticket which would 
solve the dependency linking problem. I’m not sure if there are any plans to 
package GC as a snap.

Regards,
Adrien

> On Jul 17, 2017, at 6:06 PM, Greg Feneis  wrote:
> 
> Very cool!  I didn't know of portableapps.com, but here's the English entry
> for GnuCash.  Looks like it's based on the latest version too.
> 
> https://portableapps.com/apps/office/gnucash_portable
> 
> Kind regards,
> 
> Greg Feneis
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Sun, Jul 16, 2017 at 11:42 PM, Christoph R <
> subscriptions+lis...@rohland.net> wrote:
> 
>> Hi John,
>> 
>> even if you gave up on the topic I would like to point you to:
>> https://portableapps.com/de/apps/office/gnucash_portable <
>> https://portableapps.com/de/apps/office/gnucash_portable>.
>> 
>> I did not use it for a while but it worked for me nicely with an older
>> version.
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> Christoph
>> 
>>> Am 15.07.2017 um 21:31 schrieb John Wright :
>>> 
>>> David,
>>> 
>>> I have pretty much given up on that idea, as you said its a very complex
>> approach, and to be honest, probably not worth the time for the benefit.  I
>> saw the space used on the hard drive, and yes I do have enough space for
>> that, so I think I will store the data on the flash drive and run the app
>> from the hard drive.  As you said, that's a pretty trivial thing to do and
>> won't take a lot of time.
>>> 
>>> Thanks.
>>> 
>>> John
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 07/15/2017 12:19 AM, David T. wrote:
 John,
 
 I seem to have misunderstood. I thought you said you were only trying
>> to store the data file on the flash drive; this sounds like you are trying
>> to store the entire application there.
 
 Storing the data file is trivial, but trying to load the entire
>> application is another story. Since I am not a Linux guy, I will defer to
>> the comments made here by the others about the difficulties of running an
>> application from removable storage.
 
 Gnucash on my mac takes a total of about 175Mb of space. Surely that
>> could fit in the limited space available to you? If that is still a
>> stretch, you can probably delete some of the different language help files;
>> the Japanese docs especially eat up a lot of space.
 
 David
 
 
   On Sat, Jul 15, 2017 at 1:08, John Wright
wrote:
 
   David,
 
   Yes, in fact I have gotten the error several times. My first
   attempt at running gnucash from a flash drive went this way.
>> Installed it on the hard drive,  then moved all the gnucash files
   (except libs) to flash drive,  added a .desktop file to
   user/share/applications.  That worked ok, but I couldn't find the
   icon, and all the lib files were still on the hard drive.
 
   The reason I want to do this is that the laptop I just purchased
   has a 15GB m-stat sshd.  So I really don't have a lot of room to
   play with.  Sort of a throwback to the days when everything we ran
   was stored on floppy drives and either a very small hard drive or
   no hard drive at all.  Of course that was way before the internet.
 
   John
 
 
   On 07/14/2017 01:20 PM, David wrote:
> 
>   I guess it's lucky that John only wants to load his data from the
>   flash drive, then.
> 
>   John, be aware that GnuCash always tries to load the last file it
>   had open; if the folder isn't available when you fire it up, you
>   will receive an error. Just be sure the USB stick is inserted and
>   mounted before you start GC, and you should be fine.
> 
>   David
> 
> 
> 
>   
>> 
>   *From:* David Carlson 
>   
>   *Sent:* Fri Jul 14 22:00:33 GMT+05:00 2017
>   *To:* Robert Heller 
>   
>   *Cc:* "gnucash-user@gnucash.org"
>    
>   , John Wright
>
>   *Subject:* Re: Flash Drive
> 
>   Perhaps this is not sensible, but I once experimented with
>> installing
>   Gnucash on a USB key configured as a Tails OS with persistent
>> storage.
>   That is based on Debian Linux.  It worked, but it was somewhat
>> clumsy.  The
>   nice thing is that all the data is completely encrypted and
>> insulated from
>   intruders, "sandboxed" if you will.
> 
>   David C
> 
>   On Fri, Jul 14, 2017 at 10:30 AM, Robert Heller
>>   wrote:
> 
>> At Fri, 14 Jul 2017 14:39:17 +0100 Colin Law 
>>   wrote:
>> 
>>> 
>>> On this list you have to use Reply All to reply otherwise the
>> message
>>> just goes to the

Re: Flash Drive

[Greg Feneis]

Very cool!  I didn't know of portableapps.com, but here's the English entry
for GnuCash.  Looks like it's based on the latest version too.

https://portableapps.com/apps/office/gnucash_portable

Kind regards,

Greg Feneis





On Sun, Jul 16, 2017 at 11:42 PM, Christoph R <
subscriptions+lis...@rohland.net> wrote:

> Hi John,
>
> even if you gave up on the topic I would like to point you to:
> https://portableapps.com/de/apps/office/gnucash_portable <
> https://portableapps.com/de/apps/office/gnucash_portable>.
>
> I did not use it for a while but it worked for me nicely with an older
> version.
>
> Cheers,
> Christoph
>
> > Am 15.07.2017 um 21:31 schrieb John Wright :
> >
> > David,
> >
> > I have pretty much given up on that idea, as you said its a very complex
> approach, and to be honest, probably not worth the time for the benefit.  I
> saw the space used on the hard drive, and yes I do have enough space for
> that, so I think I will store the data on the flash drive and run the app
> from the hard drive.  As you said, that's a pretty trivial thing to do and
> won't take a lot of time.
> >
> > Thanks.
> >
> > John
> >
> >
> > On 07/15/2017 12:19 AM, David T. wrote:
> >> John,
> >>
> >> I seem to have misunderstood. I thought you said you were only trying
> to store the data file on the flash drive; this sounds like you are trying
> to store the entire application there.
> >>
> >> Storing the data file is trivial, but trying to load the entire
> application is another story. Since I am not a Linux guy, I will defer to
> the comments made here by the others about the difficulties of running an
> application from removable storage.
> >>
> >> Gnucash on my mac takes a total of about 175Mb of space. Surely that
> could fit in the limited space available to you? If that is still a
> stretch, you can probably delete some of the different language help files;
> the Japanese docs especially eat up a lot of space.
> >>
> >> David
> >>
> >>
> >>On Sat, Jul 15, 2017 at 1:08, John Wright
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>David,
> >>
> >>Yes, in fact I have gotten the error several times. My first
> >>attempt at running gnucash from a flash drive went this way.
>  Installed it on the hard drive,  then moved all the gnucash files
> >>(except libs) to flash drive,  added a .desktop file to
> >>user/share/applications.  That worked ok, but I couldn't find the
> >>icon, and all the lib files were still on the hard drive.
> >>
> >>The reason I want to do this is that the laptop I just purchased
> >>has a 15GB m-stat sshd.  So I really don't have a lot of room to
> >>play with.  Sort of a throwback to the days when everything we ran
> >>was stored on floppy drives and either a very small hard drive or
> >>no hard drive at all.  Of course that was way before the internet.
> >>
> >>John
> >>
> >>
> >>On 07/14/2017 01:20 PM, David wrote:
> >>>
> >>>I guess it's lucky that John only wants to load his data from the
> >>>flash drive, then.
> >>>
> >>>John, be aware that GnuCash always tries to load the last file it
> >>>had open; if the folder isn't available when you fire it up, you
> >>>will receive an error. Just be sure the USB stick is inserted and
> >>>mounted before you start GC, and you should be fine.
> >>>
> >>>David
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> 
> >>>*From:* David Carlson 
> >>>
> >>>*Sent:* Fri Jul 14 22:00:33 GMT+05:00 2017
> >>>*To:* Robert Heller 
> >>>
> >>>*Cc:* "gnucash-user@gnucash.org"
> >>> 
> >>>, John Wright
> >>> 
> >>>*Subject:* Re: Flash Drive
> >>>
> >>>Perhaps this is not sensible, but I once experimented with
> installing
> >>>Gnucash on a USB key configured as a Tails OS with persistent
> storage.
> >>>That is based on Debian Linux.  It worked, but it was somewhat
> clumsy.  The
> >>>nice thing is that all the data is completely encrypted and
> insulated from
> >>>intruders, "sandboxed" if you will.
> >>>
> >>>David C
> >>>
> >>>On Fri, Jul 14, 2017 at 10:30 AM, Robert Heller
>   wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> At Fri, 14 Jul 2017 14:39:17 +0100 Colin Law 
>   wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> >
> >>>> > On this list you have to use Reply All to reply otherwise the
> message
> >>>> > just goes to the previous user (as this did). Forwarding this
> to the
> >>>> > list for information.  Also see reply below.
> >>>> >
> >>>> > On 14 July 2017 at 12:31, John Wright 
>   wrote:
> >>>> > > Colin,
> >>>> > >
> >>>> > > Sorry for the confusion.  I what to just run gnucash from the
> flash
> >>>> drive.
> >>>> > > Fedora will be

Re: Double Entry History

[DaveC49]

Hi Michael,

This one takes accounting back to 7000BC and traces the major historical
developments from there forward to the GFC in 2010. It would appear that
writing may have developed from ancient accountants methods of keeping
counts of goods traded. The first cheques were written by Arab traders to
China around 900AD and a trader could write a cheque on his account in
Baghdad that would be honoured in China. The Reaissance features heavily in
the development of accounting. Da Vinci's mathematics teacher Luca de
Paciola produced the first known treatise on accounting methds and double
entry. I have really only read the introduction and first chapter which is
an outline of the historical development so far but that has sucked me in.

David



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Re: Double Entry History

[Mike or Penny Novack]

On 7/16/2017 11:58 PM, DaveC49 wrote:

This is a bit off topic but for anyone with a historical interest in
accounting "Double Entry" by Jane Gleeson-White (Allen & Unwin 2011) is an
interesting read.

David Cousens
I would not consider it a waste. And seeing what was involved back when 
it was pen and ink on paper AND what sorts of errors typical and what 
you had to do to find/correct them will give a better appreciation of 
what gnucash is automating for us. Plus what reports are still included 
but that you probably don't need << example: a "trail balance" was very 
important in the old days but I have never used one in gnucash because 
it won't make the sort of mistake that causes an OOB* >>


Most older accounting books form the latter pen and ink on paper days 
will describe "cashbook accounting" where a transactions affecting cash 
are not journalized first. Leaving just those NOT affecting cash 
(usually a rather small minority) to go through the full process << aka 
journal entries >> Essentially gnucash is doing this shortcut method for 
ALL accounts << but the virtual journal is available as a report >>


Michael D Novack

* It will place the offending item into Imbalance and that identifies 
the transaction.

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